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Was Jesus Christ the legendary King Arthur? | The TRUE origins of JESUS CHRIST

 
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'4] Reginald Fuller, The Formation of the Resurrection Narratives (New York: Macmillan, 1980), 10.
[5] Of the vast number of scholars who agree, some examples include John Kloppenborg, “An Analysis of the Pre-Pauline Formula in 1 Cor 15:3b-5 in Light of Some Recent Literature,” Catholic Biblical Quarterly, Vol. 40 (1978), especially 351, 360; Jerome Murphy-O’Connor, “Tradition and Redaction in 1 Cor 15:3-7,” Catholic Biblical Quarterly, Vol. 43 (1981), 582-589; John Meier, A Marginal Jew: Rethinking the Historical Jesus (New York: Doubleday, 2001), Vol. 2:139; Sanders, The Historical Figure of Jesus, 277; Pinchas Lapide, The Resurrection of Jesus: A Jewish Perspective (Minneapolis: Augsberg, 1983), 97-99.'
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The other historians of that time, Arrian, Lucius Seneca (4 BC - 65 AD) Dion Pruseus, Pliny the Elder, Pater Calus, Suetonius, Juvenal, Theon of Smyran, Martial, Phlegon, Persius, Pompon Mela, Plutarch, Quintus Curtius, Lucian, Apollonius, Pausanias, Valerius Flaccus, Quintilian, Forus Lucius, Lucanus, Phaedrus, Epictetus, Damis, Silius Italicus, Alulus Geuius, Statius, Ptolemy, Columella, Diochry Sostom, Hermogones, Lysias, Valerius Maxiimus, Cornelius, Titus Livius, Cluvius Rufus, Publius Petronius (the Roman consul) who lived in Jerusalem. All these heard nothing, not a word was written about J.C.
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They sure had badass sounding names back then! Makes names like 'John' and 'Mike' seem so bland and uninteresting!

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The other historians of that time, Arrian, Lucius Seneca (4 BC - 65 AD) Dion Pruseus, Pliny the Elder, Pater Calus, Suetonius, Juvenal, Theon of Smyran, Martial, Phlegon, Persius, Pompon Mela, Plutarch, Quintus Curtius, Lucian, Apollonius, Pausanias, Valerius Flaccus, Quintilian, Forus Lucius, Lucanus, Phaedrus, Epictetus, Damis, Silius Italicus, Alulus Geuius, Statius, Ptolemy, Columella, Diochry Sostom, Hermogones, Lysias, Valerius Maxiimus, Cornelius, Titus Livius, Cluvius Rufus, Publius Petronius (the Roman consul) who lived in Jerusalem. All these heard nothing, not a word was written about J.C.
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They sure had badass sounding names back then! Makes names like 'John' and 'Mike' seem so bland and uninteresting!

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No, Jesus was JESUS. Not Julius Caesar, not King Arthur.
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LOL! Evidence?

and no quoting the Bible unless you first provide evidence that it itself is correct
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Verified sources like Josephus, Tacitus, Lucian, Celsus (those latter two were doubters and STILL recorded Jesus and Christianity), Africanus, this is just off the top of my head.
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I've researched every single one of those and not one of them shows evidence of Jesus of the Bible.

The Josephus mention has been a proven and known forgery for YEARS. The rest make mention of Christians but not Jesus. The term "Christian" during that time did not always mean what you think.

A correspondence of Emperor Hadrian refers to Alexandrian worshippers of Serapis calling themselves Bishops of Christ:

'Egypt, which you commended to me, my dearest Servianus, I have found to be wholly fickle and inconsistent, and continually wafted about by every breath of fame. The worshipers of Serapis (here) are called Christians, and those who are devoted to the god Serapis (I find), call themselves Bishops of Christ.'

Hadrian to Servianus, 134A.D. (Quoted by Giles, ii p86)

Read more: [link to www.touregypt.net]
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incidentally, Horus was also known as The Lamb, The Light of Morning and The Krst.
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idiots .... Christ was God!!!!! Period. Fact. End of story.

Move on. Get over it! Accept it.
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Yes and it is also the reason lamb is eaten at Passover. When the Hebrews were leaving Egypt, it was their final "FU!" to the Egyptians - as the Egyptians first born were dying, the Hebrews were eating their "god".

The Passover Lamb was never a sin sacrifice in Judaism.

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LOL! Evidence?

and no quoting the Bible unless you first provide evidence that it itself is correct
 Quoting: Rev StarGazer


Verified sources like Josephus, Tacitus, Lucian, Celsus (those latter two were doubters and STILL recorded Jesus and Christianity), Africanus, this is just off the top of my head.
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I've researched every single one of those and not one of them shows evidence of Jesus of the Bible.

The Josephus mention has been a proven and known forgery for YEARS. The rest make mention of Christians but not Jesus. The term "Christian" during that time did not always mean what you think.

A correspondence of Emperor Hadrian refers to Alexandrian worshippers of Serapis calling themselves Bishops of Christ:

'Egypt, which you commended to me, my dearest Servianus, I have found to be wholly fickle and inconsistent, and continually wafted about by every breath of fame. The worshipers of Serapis (here) are called Christians, and those who are devoted to the god Serapis (I find), call themselves Bishops of Christ.'

Hadrian to Servianus, 134A.D. (Quoted by Giles, ii p86)

Read more: [link to www.touregypt.net]
 Quoting: Rev StarGazer

incidentally, Horus was also known as The Lamb, The Light of Morning and The Krst.
 Quoting: Mordier L'eft

“If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.”
Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace

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or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson

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OP if you dont believe in Jesus (as described by the Bible and all other verified history), thats on you. But please dont spread disinformation out like this, its deceptive.
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If I had a red house and you said "bullshit Russell, you have a green house." I would allow you to scream it from the tallest mountain.

If you know something to be true, you should have complete comfort in that knowledge.

Allowing differing opinions and conversation is how belief is strengthened in those with conviction.

What are you worried about?
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we ARE saying you have a green house. if you cant believe that then just be quiet and go away.

go save someone from the falsehood of buddha or the falsehood of muhammed if you are so concerned for everyone knowing the truth

everybody has a hundred different explanations for who Jesus is other than Him actually being who He said He was

oh and like every other supposedly enlightened person, you dont seem to realize that catholicism and Christianity are two different things?

oh no, this is gonna take down the catholic church!! rofl
please do
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Doesn't surprise me. When I delved deeply into finding the truth, I ran across many Pastors who had also embarked on the same journey - and all them ended up leaving Christianity.



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Yup I've come across alot of Ex-Christians who became that way through historical research.....myself included.

Once you realize the ancient religions bare such resemblance to Christianity, then hear the idiotic reasons from the Theologians as to why this is (It was all Satan's fault)...and you continue to dig, you can come to know other conclusion than you've been lied to.

Then life can become a bit more introspective. You'll never know the God force, or whatever you want to call it, by reading a single damn book..
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Can anybody (referring to atheists or anti-Christians) give an example of a historian that WAS recording history around 27-33 AD? Please share.

Here's an example of how and when history is recorded. The Greek historian Herodotus, whose work 'The Histories' details the Greek-Persian war, as well as the Battle of Marathon and Thermopylae, wrote his work 40 YEARS after events. History doesnt get recorded until AFTER THE FACT.
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Let us start with Philo-Judaeus (20 BC - 50 AD) Philo wrote an account of the Jews covering the entire time that J.C. is said to have existed on earth. Philo was living in or near Jerusalem when J.C.’s miraculous birth and Herod’s massacre occurred. He was there when J.C. made his triumphal entry into Jerusalem. He was there for the crucifixion and all the world shattering events that followed — earthquakes, the sun becoming dark at noon, the graves opening and the dead and long dead saints roaming about the place., supposedly seen by many, also when J.C. himself rose from the dead and in the presence of many witnesses ascended into heaven, but Philo saw nothing, heard nothing, wrote nothing.

Flavius Josephus, the renowned Jewish historian, born 37 AD was a contemporary of the apostles. He was for a time the governor of Galilee, where J.C. lived and taught. Josephus wrote of every important event during the first 70 years AD but J.C. did not get a mention. Later the Josephus writings were interpolated and forgeries which mention J.C. added on. This short forgery was labeled by Bishop Warburton as “a rank forgery and a very stupid one too…” It is mentioned in the Church History, that this was the word of the very dishonest bishop Eusebius. The Catholic Encyclopedia admits that the forged passages were not known to Origen and earlier church writers.

Justus Tiberius was a native of Galilee, he wrote a history covering the period of J.C.’s reputed existence. This work was destroyed, but Photius a Christian scholar and critic of the 9th century who was acquainted with it says that Justus made not a mention of J.C. or his wondrous works.

There were also interpolations and forgeries in the works of Pliny the younger and historian Tacitus (who was born about 20 years after the purported death of J.C.

Due to modern science these are now recognized as forgeries by all scholars both Christian and secular. A total of about 40 to 50 interpolated lines are the only supporting evidence of the existence of J.C. a man-god who supposedly shook up the whole world of that period.

The other historians of that time, Arrian, Lucius Seneca (4 BC - 65 AD) Dion Pruseus, Pliny the Elder, Pater Calus, Suetonius, Juvenal, Theon of Smyran, Martial, Phlegon, Persius, Pompon Mela, Plutarch, Quintus Curtius, Lucian, Apollonius, Pausanias, Valerius Flaccus, Quintilian, Forus Lucius, Lucanus, Phaedrus, Epictetus, Damis, Silius Italicus, Alulus Geuius, Statius, Ptolemy, Columella, Diochry Sostom, Hermogones, Lysias, Valerius Maxiimus, Cornelius, Titus Livius, Cluvius Rufus, Publius Petronius (the Roman consul) who lived in Jerusalem. All these heard nothing, not a word was written about J.C.

These historians wrote about early religions but never mentioned J.C. or the spectacular events that the church said accompanied J.C.’s life.
 Quoting: Rev StarGazer


Regarding Philo, his book on Pontius Pilate was LOST.

'Christians were evangelizing in Alexandria during Philo’s lifetime. If Acts is to be believed, Jewish leaders were very concerned to oppose this and took active effort to persecute Christians. If that is at all true, we can be certain Philo knew of Christians and their claims and stories, and thus knew of Jesus. He was a leading scholar, who wrote on various Jewish sects, and a significant political figure plugged into the elite concerns of Alexandrian Jews, who even chose him to lead their embassy to the emperor of Rome. (He also made regular pilgrimages to Jerusalem: Philo, On Providence 2.64.)”
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Doesn't surprise me. When I delved deeply into finding the truth, I ran across many Pastors who had also embarked on the same journey - and all them ended up leaving Christianity.


...


Yup I've come across alot of Ex-Christians who became that way through historical research.....myself included.

Once you realize the ancient religions bare such resemblance to Christianity, then hear the idiotic reasons from the Theologians as to why this is (It was all Satan's fault)...and you continue to dig, you can come to know other conclusion than you've been lied to.

Then life can become a bit more introspective. You'll never know the God force, or whatever you want to call it, by reading a single damn book..
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All the peace and happiness Christianity promised came to me AFTER LEAVING Christianity. It is the veil, veil of lies, that keeps one from a real realationship with the Creator.
“If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.”
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or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

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Yes and it is also the reason lamb is eaten at Passover. When the Hebrews were leaving Egypt, it was their final "FU!" to the Egyptians - as the Egyptians first born were dying, the Hebrews were eating their "god".

The Passover Lamb was never a sin sacrifice in Judaism.

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oh really? thats weird, because i found references to the lamb being a sin offering in the first four out of five books of the Bible.

i dont know, you tell me if the Torah is part of Judaism
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Yes and it is also the reason lamb is eaten at Passover. When the Hebrews were leaving Egypt, it was their final "FU!" to the Egyptians - as the Egyptians first born were dying, the Hebrews were eating their "god".

The Passover Lamb was never a sin sacrifice in Judaism.

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oh really? thats weird, because i found references to the lamb being a sin offering in the first four out of five books of the Bible.

i dont know, you tell me if the Torah is part of Judaism
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The PASSOVER LAMB

not just a lamb sacrifice
“If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.”
Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace

"But ask the animals, and they will teach you,
or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson

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OP if you dont believe in Jesus (as described by the Bible and all other verified history), thats on you. But please dont spread disinformation out like this, its deceptive.
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If I had a red house and you said "bullshit Russell, you have a green house." I would allow you to scream it from the tallest mountain.

If you know something to be true, you should have complete comfort in that knowledge.

Allowing differing opinions and conversation is how belief is strengthened in those with conviction.

What are you worried about?
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we ARE saying you have a green house. if you cant believe that then just be quiet and go away.

go save someone from the falsehood of buddha or the falsehood of muhammed if you are so concerned for everyone knowing the truth

everybody has a hundred different explanations for who Jesus is other than Him actually being who He said He was

oh and like every other supposedly enlightened person, you dont seem to realize that catholicism and Christianity are two different things?

oh no, this is gonna take down the catholic church!! rofl
please do
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I am not the guest, I am the interviewer.

And which of the 33,000 different denominations of Christianity are we allowed to talk about on GLP?
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It makes NO difference whether he was King Arthur or any one of dozens or hundreds of other people.

The only thing that makes any difference is what the Teaching of Jesus was.

And that Teaching--that the Doctrine of "resurrection" is a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'--is within a hair's breath of being exterminated from the face of the earth by hundred of millions of the IDIOT followers of PAUL, who call themselves Christians, deluding themselves that they are actually followers of Jesus rather than Paul.

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OP if you dont believe in Jesus (as described by the Bible and all other verified history), thats on you. But please dont spread disinformation out like this, its deceptive.
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If I had a red house and you said "bullshit Russell, you have a green house." I would allow you to scream it from the tallest mountain.

If you know something to be true, you should have complete comfort in that knowledge.

Allowing differing opinions and conversation is how belief is strengthened in those with conviction.

What are you worried about?
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we ARE saying you have a green house. if you cant believe that then just be quiet and go away.

go save someone from the falsehood of buddha or the falsehood of muhammed if you are so concerned for everyone knowing the truth

everybody has a hundred different explanations for who Jesus is other than Him actually being who He said He was

oh and like every other supposedly enlightened person, you dont seem to realize that catholicism and Christianity are two different things?

oh no, this is gonna take down the catholic church!! rofl
please do
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LOL, that's the classic Protestant response, blame the Catholic church for everything. (Interestingly enough you still don't blame them for compiling your book)..I would have expected nothing less.

Fact is, you protestants would have no book without the Romans. So you are comparing apples to apples to the astute observer. The version of the book you currently use vs. the few additional books the catholics implement makes very little difference. (The only difference is the Catholics currently emphasize the mother of Jesus, Mary as a heavenly Goddess, while the protestants believe she was simply a lucky gal)..

The story of Jesus, as has been pointed out throughout this entire thread, is not a true story. Parts of it may have come from the Jews, some parts from the Romans, some from Egypt, etc. The author of this book, Ralph Ellis, believes some parts may even come from King Author.

It makes little difference as to the stories original genesis. The 'worship' part of it is the dead giveaway that Christianity is a rehash from Roman & Egypt myths. I don't know how you could deny that religions before Christianity had a VIRGIN mother, a Godhead, and a son of the virgin that dies & is resurrected.

Christianity is not a novel religion, end of story.

You should do research onto the origins of the Jew God, YHWH, that's when it starts to get really fun! Did you know the Jews were originally polytheists? Bet ya didn't!

You either get it, or you don't.
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'Flavius Josephus, the renowned Jewish historian, born 37 AD was a contemporary of the apostles. He was for a time the governor of Galilee, where J.C. lived and taught. Josephus wrote of every important event during the first 70 years AD but J.C. did not get a mention. '

Please, that forgery claim is old and debunked.

'Josephus' Antiquities of the Jews, written around 93–94 AD, includes two references to Jesus in Books 18 and 20 and a reference to John the Baptist in Book 18.[1][3]'- wiki

'Modern scholarship has almost universally acknowledged the authenticity of the reference in Book 20, Chapter 9, 1 of the Antiquities to "the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James" [4] and considers it as having the highest level of authenticity among the references of Josephus to Christianity.[5][1][2][6][7][8] Almost all modern scholars consider the reference in Book 18, Chapter 5, 2 of the Antiquities to the imprisonment and death of John the Baptist to also be authentic.[9][10][11]'

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Was Jesus actually a Syrian King? What is the true identity of Josephus Flavius? What did the real 'crown of thorns' look like? What is the King Arthur connection?

In fact, one could go as far as saying that this is the interview that the Catholic Church has been dreading for the last 1700 years and may end Christianity as we know it. And this is not advertising hyperbole, this really is the end of the Christian fairytale that Jesus was a mere pauper artisan.

We now know exactly who Jesus was, and he was far removed from the stereotype pauper imagery we have been told (or sold).


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You're forgetting that Catholicism is a mere offshoot of the ancient unified Christian church, and I guarantee that none of the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Armenian, or Assyrian churches buy into this crap. The Eastern Orthodox bishops, priests, and deacons can trace their lineage all the way back to a certain Apostle, as the documentation in the EOC has been meticulous from day one. Rome has been straying from the precepts, doctrines, beliefs, and faith of the ancient Christian church since about the 400s AD, well before the Great Schism of 1054 AD.

Anyone putting any weight into pretty much anything Rome has to say about Christianity (including ALL of the Reformed churches that sprang from her seed) has no clue what Christianity is really all about.
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Jesus came from the Greek Iesous
which means "Son of Isis". Which is
exactly what Cleopatra declared of herself
as the reincarnation of Isis.

The man you came to know as Jesus Christ
was actually a boy king in Egypt who
was sent to India by his mother at
the age of 12 to spare his life.

Jesus came from the Greek Iesous
which means "Son of Isis". Which is
exactly what Cleopatra declared of herself
as the reincarnation of Isis.

The man you came to know as Jesus Christ
was actually a boy king in Egypt who
was sent to India by his mother at
the age of 12 to spare his life.
You have been brain washed by Rome.
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Almost right.

In fact the child of Cleopatra was a girl (born after Caeserion), named Thea Musa Ourania. She was sent to Persia, to be the wife of King Phraates IV. She eventually murdered her husband, married her son, and became queen of Parthia.

But she was eventually exiled from Parthia.

So she ended up on a journey to Syrio-Judaea, in about AD 4, to a place called Betharbra (Bethany), where the royal family were forced to live in a stable for a while. But thier royal Persian heritage was well known, so three of the Persian priesthood, the Magi, came to see the new Persian prince who had been born.

Sound familiar? It should do.


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and the attack on jesus never stops on glp
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and the attack on your mind
with religious lies started
over 2,000 yrs ago.

some of us are trying
to correct it by education.
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yes, but you are supposed to use facts.
Worry is a misuse of the imagination.
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What would 'hold water' for you? For example, how do you know Tiberius Caesar was emperor at the time of Jesus? Why would you trust THOSE records, and not the thousands more documents on Jesus?
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I've done my research on this subject matter and the stories/traditions/beliefs in christianity are rooted in pre-existing myths/stories/traditions/belief systems of prior cultures & religions. My finding is that none of it can be seen as unique or original. Just a re-hashing of the old in a new form as an attempt to unify the masses for purposes of political control by those who held power. The expression "there is nothing new under the sun" comes to mind. Everything can be linked back to ancient Egypt and Sumeria. Those are my conclusions. I'm not asking you to believe me, if you do your own research without fear and with an open-mind, I think you will find that the 'official' story is clearly NOT representative of the 'truth' of the matter.

peace
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An 'open-mind', huh? Im sure you had no presuppositions or bias AT ALL while doing all this research to find a piece of evidence that Jesus WASNT what history says he is. That makes a lot of sense...Sorry but everything in the Bible matches history and science perfectly, still, after thousands of years.
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one sun associated with twelve constellations. the story is told over and over again.

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Yup. Most of this tale is astrological.

King Jesus and his (circular) Last Supper Table with 12 disciples, is a zodiac, with each disciple representing a constellation.

King Arthur and his Round Table with 12 knights, is a zodiac, with each knight representing a constellation.

But then the history of King Arthur was only a simple retelling of the history if King Jesus. They are one and the same person.

The trouble was that telling the story of Jesus being exiled to England was heresy - you could be burned alive for telling it. So they called him Arthur instead.

Why Arthur? Because in the center of a zodiac (the round table) you either have a Sun (King Jesus) or the constellation of Ursa Major, the Great Bear (King Arthur). Arthur and Jesus are the same story and person.


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Jesus came from the Greek Iesous
which means "Son of Isis". Which is
exactly what Cleopatra declared of herself
as the reincarnation of Isis.

The man you came to know as Jesus Christ
was actually a boy king in Egypt who
was sent to India by his mother at
the age of 12 to spare his life.

Jesus came from the Greek Iesous
which means "Son of Isis". Which is
exactly what Cleopatra declared of herself
as the reincarnation of Isis.

The man you came to know as Jesus Christ
was actually a boy king in Egypt who
was sent to India by his mother at
the age of 12 to spare his life.
You have been brain washed by Rome.
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Almost right.

In fact the child of Cleopatra was a girl (born after Caeserion), named Thea Musa Ourania. She was sent to Persia, to be the wife of King Phraates IV. She eventually murdered her husband, married her son, and became queen of Parthia.

But she was eventually exiled from Parthia.

So she ended up on a journey to Syrio-Judaea, in about AD 4, to a place called Betharbra (Bethany), where the royal family were forced to live in a stable for a while. But thier royal Persian heritage was well known, so three of the Persian priesthood, the Magi, came to see the new Persian prince who had been born.

Sound familiar? It should do.


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Good thing Jesus was born abou 6-2 BC, and that there are NO resurrection accounts before the second century, well after Jesus.
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one sun associated with twelve constellations. the story is told over and over again.

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Yup. Most of this tale is astrological.

King Jesus and his (circular) Last Supper Table with 12 disciples, is a zodiac, with each disciple representing a constellation.

King Arthur and his Round Table with 12 knights, is a zodiac, with each knight representing a constellation.

But then the history of King Arthur was only a simple retelling of the history if King Jesus. They are one and the same person.

The trouble was that telling the story of Jesus being exiled to England was heresy - you could be burned alive for telling it. So they called him Arthur instead.

Why Arthur? Because in the center of a zodiac (the round table) you either have a Sun (King Jesus) or the constellation of Ursa Major, the Great Bear (King Arthur). Arthur and Jesus are the same story and person.


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Nope, pagan myths. Sun worshippers.
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Was Jesus actually a Syrian King? What is the true identity of Josephus Flavius? What did the real 'crown of thorns' look like? What is the King Arthur connection?

In fact, one could go as far as saying that this is the interview that the Catholic Church has been dreading for the last 1700 years and may end Christianity as we know it. And this is not advertising hyperbole, this really is the end of the Christian fairytale that Jesus was a mere pauper artisan.

We now know exactly who Jesus was, and he was far removed from the stereotype pauper imagery we have been told (or sold).


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You're forgetting that Catholicism is a mere offshoot of the ancient unified Christian church, and I guarantee that none of the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Armenian, or Assyrian churches buy into this crap. The Eastern Orthodox bishops, priests, and deacons can trace their lineage all the way back to a certain Apostle, as the documentation in the EOC has been meticulous from day one. Rome has been straying from the precepts, doctrines, beliefs, and faith of the ancient Christian church since about the 400s AD, well before the Great Schism of 1054 AD.

Anyone putting any weight into pretty much anything Rome has to say about Christianity (including ALL of the Reformed churches that sprang from her seed) has no clue what Christianity is really all about.
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Bingo. They probably dont know that the vatican started islam, too.
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Can anybody (referring to atheists or anti-Christians) give an example of a historian that WAS recording history around 27-33 AD? Please share.

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Josephus Flavius wrote a complete history of Judaea, and he started writing around AD 60. But the biblical events all happened in the AD 60s, as this entire thesis presupposes and proves.

In addition, Josephus says that Justus of Tiberius wrote 'The History of the Kings of Judaea'.
And the Talmud says that Ballam wrote 'The Chronicle of Judaea'.


BTW - Balaam is a talmudic hypocorism for Jesus.

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Can anybody (referring to atheists or anti-Christians) give an example of a historian that WAS recording history around 27-33 AD? Please share.

Here's an example of how and when history is recorded. The Greek historian Herodotus, whose work 'The Histories' details the Greek-Persian war, as well as the Battle of Marathon and Thermopylae, wrote his work 40 YEARS after events. History doesnt get recorded until AFTER THE FACT.
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yeah, but everyone knew jesus was coming before the fact. herod killed a lot of babies trying to slay jesus, a star shined during his birth, wise men came and there was a big party in the barn, and then...

***crickets***

jesus turned 12

***morecrickets***

jesus turned 30 and got mad at a fig tree because it wasnt producing fruit out of season...
 Quoting: Edge Rider


I dont understand what point you're trying to make. That since Jesus wasnt killed by Herod's massacre (clearly intended for Jesus, not arthur or casear), somehow this proves something?

Matthew 2:7Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, enquired of them diligently what time the star appeared.

8And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child; and when ye have found him, bring me word again, that I may come and worship him also.

9When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was.

10When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy.

11And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.

12And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way.

13And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.
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'Flavius Josephus, the renowned Jewish historian, born 37 AD was a contemporary of the apostles. He was for a time the governor of Galilee, where J.C. lived and taught. Josephus wrote of every important event during the first 70 years AD but J.C. did not get a mention. '

Please, that forgery claim is old and debunked.

'Josephus' Antiquities of the Jews, written around 93–94 AD, includes two references to Jesus in Books 18 and 20 and a reference to John the Baptist in Book 18.[1][3]'- wiki

'Modern scholarship has almost universally acknowledged the authenticity of the reference in Book 20, Chapter 9, 1 of the Antiquities to "the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James" [4] and considers it as having the highest level of authenticity among the references of Josephus to Christianity.[5][1][2][6][7][8] Almost all modern scholars consider the reference in Book 18, Chapter 5, 2 of the Antiquities to the imprisonment and death of John the Baptist to also be authentic.[9][10][11]'

bbl
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Oh please!

First, let's see a link to such an outragous claim.

Second, there was a historical High Priest named Joshua (Yeshua/Joshua/Jesus - same name, different languages), that had a brother named James - but I seriously doubt you would want to claim him as your saviour.

It's also interesting how Christian apologists play with name translations to create confusion.

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Can anybody (referring to atheists or anti-Christians) give an example of a historian that WAS recording history around 27-33 AD? Please share.

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Josephus Flavius wrote a complete history of Judaea, and he started writing around AD 60. But the biblical events all happened in the AD 60s, as this entire thesis presupposes and proves.

In addition, Josephus says that Justus of Tiberius wrote 'The History of the Kings of Judaea'.
And the Talmud says that Ballam wrote 'The Chronicle of Judaea'.


BTW - Balaam is a talmudic hypocorism for Jesus.

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Thanks for sharing that about Josephus, thats why i quoted what wiki cited about him earlier. And no, balaam was not Jesus, as the Jews did not believe Jesus was divine. Yet they STILL RECORDED HIM. The crucifixion, burial, (Joseph of Arithimea), empty tomb were ALL RECORDED by the Jews.
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'Flavius Josephus, the renowned Jewish historian, born 37 AD was a contemporary of the apostles. He was for a time the governor of Galilee, where J.C. lived and taught. Josephus wrote of every important event during the first 70 years AD but J.C. did not get a mention. '

Please, that forgery claim is old and debunked.

'Josephus' Antiquities of the Jews, written around 93–94 AD, includes two references to Jesus in Books 18 and 20 and a reference to John the Baptist in Book 18.[1][3]'- wiki

'Modern scholarship has almost universally acknowledged the authenticity of the reference in Book 20, Chapter 9, 1 of the Antiquities to "the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James" [4] and considers it as having the highest level of authenticity among the references of Josephus to Christianity.[5][1][2][6][7][8] Almost all modern scholars consider the reference in Book 18, Chapter 5, 2 of the Antiquities to the imprisonment and death of John the Baptist to also be authentic.[9][10][11]'

bbl
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Oh please!

First, let's see a link to such an outragous claim.

Second, there was a historical High Priest named Joshua (Yeshua/Joshua/Jesus - same name, different languages), that had a brother named James - but I seriously doubt you would want to claim him as your saviour.

It's also interesting how Christian apologists play with name translations to create confusion.

[link to religiousstudies.uncc.edu]
[link to religiousstudies.uncc.edu]
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The fact that you ask for alink, when wiki cites all that (they appear in brackets) makes me question your research ability.
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OP if you dont believe in Jesus (as described by the Bible and all other verified history), thats on you. But please dont spread disinformation out like this, its deceptive.
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If I had a red house and you said "bullshit Russell, you have a green house." I would allow you to scream it from the tallest mountain.

If you know something to be true, you should have complete comfort in that knowledge.

Allowing differing opinions and conversation is how belief is strengthened in those with conviction.

What are you worried about?
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we ARE saying you have a green house. if you cant believe that then just be quiet and go away.

go save someone from the falsehood of buddha or the falsehood of muhammed if you are so concerned for everyone knowing the truth

everybody has a hundred different explanations for who Jesus is other than Him actually being who He said He was

oh and like every other supposedly enlightened person, you dont seem to realize that catholicism and Christianity are two different things?

oh no, this is gonna take down the catholic church!! rofl
please do
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LOL, that's the classic Protestant response, blame the Catholic church for everything. (Interestingly enough you still don't blame them for compiling your book)..I would have expected nothing less.

Fact is, you protestants would have no book without the Romans. So you are comparing apples to apples to the astute observer. The version of the book you currently use vs. the few additional books the catholics implement makes very little difference. (The only difference is the Catholics currently emphasize the mother of Jesus, Mary as a heavenly Goddess, while the protestants believe she was simply a lucky gal)..

The story of Jesus, as has been pointed out throughout this entire thread, is not a true story. Parts of it may have come from the Jews, some parts from the Romans, some from Egypt, etc. The author of this book, Ralph Ellis, believes some parts may even come from King Author.

It makes little difference as to the stories original genesis. The 'worship' part of it is the dead giveaway that Christianity is a rehash from Roman & Egypt myths. I don't know how you could deny that religions before Christianity had a VIRGIN mother, a Godhead, and a son of the virgin that dies & is resurrected.

Christianity is not a novel religion, end of story.

You should do research onto the origins of the Jew God, YHWH, that's when it starts to get really fun! Did you know the Jews were originally polytheists? Bet ya didn't!

You either get it, or you don't.
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You mean we would have no book without the apostles, or people like William Tyndale who gave their LIVES for thousands of years to preserve the manuscripts. And look what happened in 1947, the Dead Sea Scrolls verified the Hebrew Old Testament EXACTLY.

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