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Was Jesus Christ the legendary King Arthur? | The TRUE origins of JESUS CHRIST

 
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Flavius Josephus, the renowned Jewish historian, born 37 AD was a contemporary of the apostles. He was for a time the governor of Galilee, where J.C. lived and taught. Josephus wrote of every important event during the first 70 years AD but J.C. did not get a mention.


Justus Tiberius was a native of Galilee, he wrote a history covering the period of J.C.’s reputed existence. This work was destroyed, but Photius a Christian scholar and critic of the 9th century who was acquainted with it says that Justus made not a mention of J.C. or his wondrous works.

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But Josephus Flavius wrote a great deal about Jesus of Gamala and Izas of Adiabene (who are the same person).

It so happens that this Jesus-Izas is the biblical Jesus. Thus Josephus did write a great deal about Jesus - if you know who Jesus really was in the historical record.

And thisnis where the name Jesus came from. It was not derived from the Jewish 'Joshua', but from the Syriac 'Izas' or 'Izates'.

Likewise Justus of Tiberias would not have written about Jesus, but he would have written a great deal about Manu (EmManuel). But unless you know that Jesu was called Manu (EmManuel), you will think that Jesus is never mentioned.


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'Justus Tiberius was a native of Galilee, he wrote a history covering the period of J.C.’s reputed existence. This work was destroyed, but Photius a Christian scholar and critic of the 9th century who was acquainted with it says that Justus made not a mention of J.C. or his wondrous works.'


First of all, Justus was a JEW. The Jews did not accept Jesus as rightful King of Israel. If they did, they wouldnt have crucified him.

I can turn this around, and ask how you know Justus even existed? Because of that one little wiki article you used? Thats great logic.
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Thanks - you just posted the quote - did not know you were referencing wikipedia

Have you personally checked the references? Or do you believe everything posted on wikipedia?



'Flavius Josephus, the renowned Jewish historian, born 37 AD was a contemporary of the apostles. He was for a time the governor of Galilee, where J.C. lived and taught. Josephus wrote of every important event during the first 70 years AD but J.C. did not get a mention. '

Please, that forgery claim is old and debunked.

'Josephus' Antiquities of the Jews, written around 93–94 AD, includes two references to Jesus in Books 18 and 20 and a reference to John the Baptist in Book 18.[1][3]'- wiki

'Modern scholarship has almost universally acknowledged the authenticity of the reference in Book 20, Chapter 9, 1 of the Antiquities to "the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James" [4] and considers it as having the highest level of authenticity among the references of Josephus to Christianity.[5][1][2][6][7][8] Almost all modern scholars consider the reference in Book 18, Chapter 5, 2 of the Antiquities to the imprisonment and death of John the Baptist to also be authentic.[9][10][11]'

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Oh please!

First, let's see a link to such an outragous claim.

Second, there was a historical High Priest named Joshua (Yeshua/Joshua/Jesus - same name, different languages), that had a brother named James - but I seriously doubt you would want to claim him as your saviour.

It's also interesting how Christian apologists play with name translations to create confusion.

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The fact that you ask for alink, when wiki cites all that (they appear in brackets) makes me question your research ability.
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Doesn't surprise me. When I delved deeply into finding the truth, I ran across many Pastors who had also embarked on the same journey - and all them ended up leaving Christianity.

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Your words ring true for many people these days.
Hello, I'm a recovering christian :)

My spiritual journey has included decades of studying ancient civilizations, world religions, history, and learning what scholarly text criticism is all about..... and as soon as I opened my mind (and heart) to knowledge, christianity was the first thing to go.

The only way a person can remain chained by the (religious) dogma is to remain ignorant, and sadly, humanity suffers greatly because millions of us still choose to remain ignorant.
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And what do you offer as truth? What is your opinion of the cause of the universe, and life on earth? I wont hold my breath for your response.
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Can anybody (referring to atheists or anti-Christians) give an example of a historian that WAS recording history around 27-33 AD? Please share.

Here's an example of how and when history is recorded. The Greek historian Herodotus, whose work 'The Histories' details the Greek-Persian war, as well as the Battle of Marathon and Thermopylae, wrote his work 40 YEARS after events. History doesnt get recorded until AFTER THE FACT.
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yeah, but everyone knew jesus was coming before the fact. herod killed a lot of babies trying to slay jesus, a star shined during his birth, wise men came and there was a big party in the barn, and then...

***crickets***

jesus turned 12

***morecrickets***

jesus turned 30 and got mad at a fig tree because it wasnt producing fruit out of season...
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I dont understand what point you're trying to make. That since Jesus wasnt killed by Herod's massacre (clearly intended for Jesus, not arthur or casear), somehow this proves something?

Matthew 2:7Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, enquired of them diligently what time the star appeared.

8And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child; and when ye have found him, bring me word again, that I may come and worship him also.

9When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was.

10When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy.

11And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.

12And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way.

13And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.
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my point is that no one documented the chronology of jesus' life even tho his birth was witnessed and they knew he was the savior...

also, when he turned 12, thats the 12 constellations. and when he turned 30, thats the 30 degrees that represents each constellation. 12x30=360 degrees...
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. And no, balaam was not Jesus, as the Jews did not believe Jesus was divine. Yet they STILL RECORDED HIM. The crucifixion, burial, (Joseph of Arithimea), empty tomb were ALL RECORDED by the Jews.
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Eh? Balaam was Jesus, as the talmudic scholars all admit - whether he was divine or not makes no difference. (As an Atheist, I will say he was not divine, but that does not alter the story by much.)

The only difference, is that the Talmud's Balaam was blamed for the Jewish Revolt and the destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem, which is why they hated him so much and said he should be boiled in semen and shit.

This is why all the gospel events actually happened in the AD 60s, because the Talmud, the Vulgate Cycle and the gospels themselves all point to an AD 60s date.


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And what do you offer as truth? What is your opinion of the cause of the universe, and life on earth? I wont hold my breath for your response.
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That's very interesting - thank you - hadn't run across that before and will check it out

Flavius Josephus, the renowned Jewish historian, born 37 AD was a contemporary of the apostles. He was for a time the governor of Galilee, where J.C. lived and taught. Josephus wrote of every important event during the first 70 years AD but J.C. did not get a mention.


Justus Tiberius was a native of Galilee, he wrote a history covering the period of J.C.’s reputed existence. This work was destroyed, but Photius a Christian scholar and critic of the 9th century who was acquainted with it says that Justus made not a mention of J.C. or his wondrous works.

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But Josephus Flavius wrote a great deal about Jesus of Gamala and Izas of Adiabene (who are the same person).

It so happens that this Jesus-Izas is the biblical Jesus. Thus Josephus did write a great deal about Jesus - if you know who Jesus really was in the historical record.

And thisnis where the name Jesus came from. It was not derived from the Jewish 'Joshua', but from the Syriac 'Izas' or 'Izates'.

Likewise Justus of Tiberias would not have written about Jesus, but he would have written a great deal about Manu (EmManuel). But unless you know that Jesu was called Manu (EmManuel), you will think that Jesus is never mentioned.


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And what do you offer as truth? What is your opinion of the cause of the universe, and life on earth? I wont hold my breath for your response.
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What would 'hold water' for you? For example, how do you know Tiberius Caesar was emperor at the time of Jesus? Why would you trust THOSE records, and not the thousands more documents on Jesus?
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I've done my research on this subject matter and the stories/traditions/beliefs in christianity are rooted in pre-existing myths/stories/traditions/belief systems of prior cultures & religions. My finding is that none of it can be seen as unique or original. Just a re-hashing of the old in a new form as an attempt to unify the masses for purposes of political control by those who held power. The expression "there is nothing new under the sun" comes to mind. Everything can be linked back to ancient Egypt and Sumeria. Those are my conclusions. I'm not asking you to believe me, if you do your own research without fear and with an open-mind, I think you will find that the 'official' story is clearly NOT representative of the 'truth' of the matter.

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An 'open-mind', huh? Im sure you had no presuppositions or bias AT ALL while doing all this research to find a piece of evidence that Jesus WASNT what history says he is. That makes a lot of sense...Sorry but everything in the Bible matches history and science perfectly, still, after thousands of years.
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Yes I researched with an open mind as I never believed that the fate of my soul was dependent on any beliefs (or faith) tied to an organized religion . I had absolutely no reservations about exploring and uncovering the truth.

There is something called 'confirmation bias', are you familiar with that term? It occurs when an individual has strong emotions connected to the anticipated or expected outcome of an experiment or investigation. Like I said, I'm not asking you to believe my findings nor how I connected the dots in my searching. You need to do your own research and with an open mind if you are interested in separating the truth from the fiction.

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[link to en.wikipedia.org] - Thallus

[link to en.wikipedia.org] - Seutonius


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Regarding Pliny the younger:

''In the meanwhile, the method I have observed towards those who have denounced to me as Christians is this: I interrogated them whether they were Christians; if they confessed it I repeated the question twice again, adding the threat of capital punishment; if they still persevered, I ordered them to be executed. For whatever the nature of their creed might be, I could at least feel not doubt that contumacy and inflexible obstinacy deserved chastisement. There were others possessed of the same folly; but because they were Roman citizens, I signed an order for them to be transferred to Rome.''[15][16][17][18]

'This indicates that a Messiah was worshiped, and that believers of Christ may be put to death for their beliefs, in a short period of the early second century by Roman jurisdiction. Pliny executed members of what were considered at the time a fanatical cult. This could lend circumstantial significance to the writings of early Christians. Being required to “curse Christ” is evidence that Pliny reported this as a means to force reactions of the suspect Christians under torturous inquisition. Further, "a hymn to Christ as to a god" alleges that during that time, a Messiah had been accepted by some as both God and man.[18][19][20]'
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What would 'hold water' for you? For example, how do you know Tiberius Caesar was emperor at the time of Jesus? Why would you trust THOSE records, and not the thousands more documents on Jesus?
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I've done my research on this subject matter and the stories/traditions/beliefs in christianity are rooted in pre-existing myths/stories/traditions/belief systems of prior cultures & religions. My finding is that none of it can be seen as unique or original. Just a re-hashing of the old in a new form as an attempt to unify the masses for purposes of political control by those who held power. The expression "there is nothing new under the sun" comes to mind. Everything can be linked back to ancient Egypt and Sumeria. Those are my conclusions. I'm not asking you to believe me, if you do your own research without fear and with an open-mind, I think you will find that the 'official' story is clearly NOT representative of the 'truth' of the matter.

peace
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An 'open-mind', huh? Im sure you had no presuppositions or bias AT ALL while doing all this research to find a piece of evidence that Jesus WASNT what history says he is. That makes a lot of sense...Sorry but everything in the Bible matches history and science perfectly, still, after thousands of years.
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Yes I researched with an open mind as I never believed that the fate of my soul was dependent on any beliefs (or faith) tied to an organized religion . I had absolutely no reservations about exploring and uncovering the truth.

There is something called 'confirmation bias', are you familiar with that term? It occurs when an individual has strong emotions connected to the anticipated or expected outcome of an experiment or investigation. Like I said, I'm not asking you to believe my findings nor how I connected the dots in my searching. You need to do your own research and with an open mind if you are interested in separating the truth from the fiction.
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What do you believe is the 'truth'? What is your explanation for the cause of life on earth, or even the universe? Is random chance (impossible chance) your truth?
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And what do you offer as truth? What is your opinion of the cause of the universe, and life on earth? I wont hold my breath for your response.
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This is usually what the conversation degrades to when Christians get cornered with facts...circular logic & demands to know what the opponent believes in order to attack them.

This brings no relevance to the topic and makes little difference. Some believe a big bang, some a Godforce, some a different 'God', whatever, makes no difference.

The fact of this topic remains, the Christian bible is not a novel idea...
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. And no, balaam was not Jesus, as the Jews did not believe Jesus was divine. Yet they STILL RECORDED HIM. The crucifixion, burial, (Joseph of Arithimea), empty tomb were ALL RECORDED by the Jews.
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Eh? Balaam was Jesus, as the talmudic scholars all admit - whether he was divine or not makes no difference. (As an Atheist, I will say he was not divine, but that does not alter the story by much.)

The only difference, is that the Talmud's Balaam was blamed for the Jewish Revolt and the destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem, which is why they hated him so much and said he should be boiled in semen and shit.

This is why all the gospel events actually happened in the AD 60s, because the Talmud, the Vulgate Cycle and the gospels themselves all point to an AD 60s date.


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Well, that would give credence to the theory that Flavius Josephus was actually Jesus.

Josephus helped Vespasian and his son Titus, sack Jerusalem by betraying his own people. That's how he got the name Flavius - Vespasian adopted him.
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Hope that wasn't too long for your breath-holding!
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And how do you know that is not the God we Christians (and Jews) refer to? Be honest and admit you dont.
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. And no, balaam was not Jesus, as the Jews did not believe Jesus was divine. Yet they STILL RECORDED HIM. The crucifixion, burial, (Joseph of Arithimea), empty tomb were ALL RECORDED by the Jews.
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Eh? Balaam was Jesus, as the talmudic scholars all admit - whether he was divine or not makes no difference. (As an Atheist, I will say he was not divine, but that does not alter the story by much.)

The only difference, is that the Talmud's Balaam was blamed for the Jewish Revolt and the destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem, which is why they hated him so much and said he should be boiled in semen and shit.

This is why all the gospel events actually happened in the AD 60s, because the Talmud, the Vulgate Cycle and the gospels themselves all point to an AD 60s date.


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Well, that would give credence to the theory that Flavius Josephus was actually Jesus.

Josephus helped Vespasian and his son Titus, sack Jerusalem by betraying his own people. That's how he got the name Flavius - Vespasian adopted him.
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No, Flavius Josephus was Flavius Josephus.

Heres a link which you obviously need.

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When I studied the Bible under Presbyterian ministers, I was shocked when Reverend Jim told me; "The people in my church, the people sitting in the pews... they haven't read the Bible, if they did they would know most of what is said and done in a church has nothing to do with it!

We were able to speak candidly about the Bible and he believed it to be mainly myth and allegory.

All Presbyterian ministers must have a degree in divination and be able to read one of the ancient texts. In his case, he could read ancient Greek and read from the Septuagint.
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And he was right, of course.

Jesus said 'do not indulge in vain repetitions', and the congrgation sit their with their rosary beads, muttering away.

Jesus said 'do not go to church', and the congrgation sit in a church and donate towards a larger one.

Jesus asked his disciples to be circumcised or castrated, but few UK Christians are. Why? Because Saul's sect were against it. In fact Saul said if the Church of Jesus likes circumcision so much, why did they not cut off their penis, and have done with it. (Gal 5:11-12)

Yes, Christianity was created by Saul in opposition to the Church of Jesus. So Christians are following the religion of Jesus' greatest enemy. As mistakes go, that is pretty fundamental. It is like reading a biography of Winston Churchill that was written by Adof Hitler. Yes, their mistake is that great.




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one sun associated with twelve constellations. the story is told over and over again.

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Yup. Most of this tale is astrological.

King Jesus and his (circular) Last Supper Table with 12 disciples, is a zodiac, with each disciple representing a constellation.

King Arthur and his Round Table with 12 knights, is a zodiac, with each knight representing a constellation.

But then the history of King Arthur was only a simple retelling of the history if King Jesus. They are one and the same person.

The trouble was that telling the story of Jesus being exiled to England was heresy - you could be burned alive for telling it. So they called him Arthur instead.

Why Arthur? Because in the center of a zodiac (the round table) you either have a Sun (King Jesus) or the constellation of Ursa Major, the Great Bear (King Arthur). Arthur and Jesus are the same story and person.


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Nope, pagan myths. Sun worshippers.
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These 'pagan myths' played a large role in shaping the traditions/practices/beliefs associated with christianity today. Do some more searching/investigating and not on wikipedia!

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And how do you know that is not the God we Christians (and Jews) refer to? Be honest and admit you dont.
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I'm being very honest when I ask you, how do you know that your version of god isn't a bastardized version of Creator?

Read thru this thread..... take a look at how MANY people are researching history.... studying the archives of 1st and 2nd century writings.... how MANY are studying ancient civilizations.... how many are opening their eyes to the inconvenient truths that have been kept hidden for centuries.
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You may want to expand your understanding of the world beyond wikipedia - it's equivalent to getting ALL your news and info from the MSM

. And no, balaam was not Jesus, as the Jews did not believe Jesus was divine. Yet they STILL RECORDED HIM. The crucifixion, burial, (Joseph of Arithimea), empty tomb were ALL RECORDED by the Jews.
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Eh? Balaam was Jesus, as the talmudic scholars all admit - whether he was divine or not makes no difference. (As an Atheist, I will say he was not divine, but that does not alter the story by much.)

The only difference, is that the Talmud's Balaam was blamed for the Jewish Revolt and the destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem, which is why they hated him so much and said he should be boiled in semen and shit.

This is why all the gospel events actually happened in the AD 60s, because the Talmud, the Vulgate Cycle and the gospels themselves all point to an AD 60s date.


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Well, that would give credence to the theory that Flavius Josephus was actually Jesus.

Josephus helped Vespasian and his son Titus, sack Jerusalem by betraying his own people. That's how he got the name Flavius - Vespasian adopted him.
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No, Flavius Josephus was Flavius Josephus.

Heres a link which you obviously need.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Well, that would give credence to the theory that Flavius Josephus was actually Jesus.

Josephus helped Vespasian and his son Titus, sack Jerusalem by betraying his own people. That's how he got the name Flavius - Vespasian adopted him.
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No. Josephus Flavius was the greatest enemy of Jesus-Izas.

It was Saul who was Josephus Flavius. This is why, in Acts of the Apostles, Jesus says: "Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?"

In the real world, it was Josephus Flavius who was greatly persecuting Jesus-Izas of Gamala-Adiabene, because Josephus was the army commander in charge of Galille at the time.


So the two characters in this bitter conflict were:

King Jesus-Izas (Em)Manuel the leader of the Fourth Sect Nazarenes.
vs
Saul-Josephus, the leader of the Rome-friendly Simple Judaism, or Judaism Lite - which we know today as Christianity.


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one sun associated with twelve constellations. the story is told over and over again.

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Yup. Most of this tale is astrological.

King Jesus and his (circular) Last Supper Table with 12 disciples, is a zodiac, with each disciple representing a constellation.

King Arthur and his Round Table with 12 knights, is a zodiac, with each knight representing a constellation.

But then the history of King Arthur was only a simple retelling of the history if King Jesus. They are one and the same person.

The trouble was that telling the story of Jesus being exiled to England was heresy - you could be burned alive for telling it. So they called him Arthur instead.

Why Arthur? Because in the center of a zodiac (the round table) you either have a Sun (King Jesus) or the constellation of Ursa Major, the Great Bear (King Arthur). Arthur and Jesus are the same story and person.


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Nope, pagan myths. Sun worshippers.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2183540


These 'pagan myths' played a large role in shaping the traditions/practices/beliefs associated with christianity today. Do some more searching/investigating and not on wikipedia!
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LOL, they played a DOMINANT role in shaping christianity!!
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wikipedia.... is not research!!

Take a look at the 'Talk' page of any wikipedia article.... see how the, ah hem, 'editors' duke it out over who is right and who is wrong, and who with seniority gets to have his say on the article page! Truly, it's like a thread on GLP!

Serious researchers do not use wikipedia!
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That is pretty close to what I discovered in my research.

And actually, Paul who was called Saul, was Apollonius of Tyana, Pol who was called Sol. The parallels between the 2, right down to both being raised in Tarsus at the exact same time and having companions with the exact same names, is beyond coincidence.



Well, that would give credence to the theory that Flavius Josephus was actually Jesus.

Josephus helped Vespasian and his son Titus, sack Jerusalem by betraying his own people. That's how he got the name Flavius - Vespasian adopted him.
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No. Josephus Flavius was the greatest enemy of Jesus-Izas.

It was Saul who was Josephus Flavius. This is why, in Acts of the Apostles, Jesus says: "Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?"

In the real world, it was Josephus Flavius who was greatly persecuting Jesus-Izas of Gamala-Adiabene, because Josephus was the army commander in charge of Galille at the time.


So the two characters in this bitter conflict were:

King Jesus-Izas (Em)Manuel the leader of the Fourth Sect Nazarenes.
vs
Saul-Josephus, the leader of the Rome-friendly Simple Judaism, or Judaism Lite - which we know today as Christianity.


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“If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.”
Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace

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or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson

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Yup. Most of this tale is astrological.

King Jesus and his (circular) Last Supper Table with 12 disciples, is a zodiac, with each disciple representing a constellation.

King Arthur and his Round Table with 12 knights, is a zodiac, with each knight representing a constellation.

But then the history of King Arthur was only a simple retelling of the history if King Jesus. They are one and the same person.

The trouble was that telling the story of Jesus being exiled to England was heresy - you could be burned alive for telling it. So they called him Arthur instead.

Why Arthur? Because in the center of a zodiac (the round table) you either have a Sun (King Jesus) or the constellation of Ursa Major, the Great Bear (King Arthur). Arthur and Jesus are the same story and person.


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Nope, pagan myths. Sun worshippers.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2183540



I don't think you are following the story here.

Jesus himself was the ultimate Sun Worshipper and Pagan, which is why he was identified as the central character in the zodiac (the Sun, or Sun of God). This is also why he was born as a Lamb of God (Aries) but became a Fisher of Men (Pisces) - his entire religion was Solar-Astrological.


And why do you think Mary Magdalene got her title?? Magdalene means 'tower', or to put it slightly more crudely - 'penis'. Yes, she was called Mary Penis, because phallic worship had long been a part of Judaism. You do recall, I presume, the queen of the United Monarchy who was caught worshipping a large phalus?



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LOL, they played a DOMINANT role in shaping christianity!!
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True. I feel sometimes it's not effective to be so direct and 'in your face' about it if you catch my drift. Many are accustomed to bashing the very pagan beliefs/traditions that shaped their very religious beliefs & traditions, and if you're too confrontational or up front about the hypocrisy, they cover their ears and run the other way. A smooth & easy approach may be more effective at getting the truth out there.

peace

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wikipedia.... is not research!!

Take a look at the 'Talk' page of any wikipedia article.... see how the, ah hem, 'editors' duke it out over who is right and who is wrong, and who with seniority gets to have his say on the article page! Truly, it's like a thread on GLP!

Serious researchers do not use wikipedia!
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jaynod

Wiki can useful but ALWAYS cross check and never assume everything on it is true and vetted
“If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.”
Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace

"But ask the animals, and they will teach you,
or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson

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LOL, they played a DOMINANT role in shaping christianity!!
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True. I feel sometimes it's necessary not to be so direct and 'in your face' about it if you catch my drift. Many are accustomed to bashing the very pagan beliefs/traditions that shaped their very religious beliefs, and if you're too confrontational or up front about the hypocrisy, they cover their ears and run the other way. A smooth & easy approach may be more effective at getting the truth out there.

peace
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Yes, of course :)

The hyprocisy of it all tho, is well, overwhelming!
How I wish people would get off their knees and crack a book from time to time - expand their knowledge base.... learn where their rites and rituals actually came from!!

Kismet

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wikipedia.... is not research!!

Take a look at the 'Talk' page of any wikipedia article.... see how the, ah hem, 'editors' duke it out over who is right and who is wrong, and who with seniority gets to have his say on the article page! Truly, it's like a thread on GLP!

Serious researchers do not use wikipedia!
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:jaynod:

Wiki can useful but ALWAYS cross check and never assume everything on it is true and vetted
 Quoting: Rev StarGazer


So true :)
I refer to the talk pages from time to time.... it's there that the 'controversial' stuff gets communicated (and often smothered) but even wiki references (within the articles) these days are archaic and in drastic need up up-grading :)
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It makes NO difference whether he was King Arthur or any one of dozens or hundreds of other people.

The only thing that makes any difference is what the Teaching of Jesus was.

Michael
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And most of Jesus' teachings came from ancient Egyptian sages, and have been copied and repeated down the millenia.

Heck, even the Genesis story is a simple (if garbled) retelling of the Hymn to the Aten, by Pharaoh Akhenaten. This is why Adam and Eve were said to be in the Garden of Eden - it was actually the Garden of Aden or Aten - the garden of Pharaoh Akhenaton's god - which referred to the city of Amarna.



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