Was Jesus Christ the legendary King Arthur? | The TRUE origins of JESUS CHRIST

Good thing Jesus was born abou 6-2 BC, and that there are NO resurrection accounts before the second century, well after Jesus.






Err, the gospels mention the taxation by Quirinus at this time (it was the reason they were on the move). This taxation was in about AD 6.

So the birth of this Jesus-Izas, and the arival of Queen Thea Muse Ourania in Judaeo-Syria, are coincident. And since the history of the latter matches the biblical Nativity so well I would suggest that we have discovered here the origins of the biblical family.

Queen Ourania went on to found Edessa, and the prince of Edessa was called King Izas Manu(el), the same as Jesus was.



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Err, the gospels mention the taxation by Quirinus at this time (it was the reason they were on the move). This taxation was in about AD 6.

So the birth of this Jesus-Izas, and the arival of Queen Thea Muse Ourania in Judaeo-Syria, are coincident. And since the history of the latter matches the biblical Nativity so well I would suggest that we have discovered here the origins of the biblical family.

Queen Ourania went on to found Edessa, and the prince of Edessa was called King Izas Manu(el), the same as Jesus was.



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Err, the gospels mention the taxation by Quirinus at this time (it was the reason they were on the move). This taxation was in about AD 6.

So the birth of this Jesus-Izas, and the arival of Queen Thea Muse Ourania in Judaeo-Syria, are coincident. And since the history of the latter matches the biblical Nativity so well I would suggest that we have discovered here the origins of the biblical family.

Queen Ourania went on to found Edessa, and the prince of Edessa was called King Izas Manu(el), the same as Jesus was.



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I wish you had a registered account my Greek friend - you'd be getting karma from me big time!

Your input is very interesting!

I've got to leave in a bit but I'm definitely going to be researching this evening.

Thank you. :)

If you dont care to offer an opinion of your opinion, why post here?

I wish you had a registered account my Greek friend - you'd be getting karma from me big time!

Your input is very interesting!

I've got to leave in a bit but I'm definitely going to be researching this evening.

Thank you. :)


Quirinius (Cyrenius) was in charge of TWO taxations (census). Look it up, he was specially appointed by Augustus. Luke 2 said 'first' (hebrew word meaning previous).

Who are you talking to? The quote has my name but I didn't say that.

Cite?

There was something called oral tradition which was only needed to be passed through 5 people- Methuselah, Shem, Isaac, Levi, and Amram, or just given to Moses through God, or was in the ark of the covenant as tablets written by the first patriarchs in addition to being given to Moses. Whichever actually happened does not falsify the document that is Genesis or the Bible, and the latest it could have been recorded was 1500 BC during Moses' time, not 5th century BC as wiki claims.

There was some glitch in the quote, it was whoever you were quoting, the guy from Greece.

Here's a good reference that cites and explains how Quirinius (Cyrenius) was governor or in charge of the census twice, which reconciles Luke's account with Matthew's.

[link to www.biblestudymanuals.net]

Good to see you Kismet

What were you claiming in the first place? Anything?

Guy from Greece: 'I don't think you are following the story here.

Jesus himself was the ultimate Sun Worshipper and Pagan, which is why he was identified as the central character in the zodiac (the Sun, or Sun of God). This is also why he was born as a Lamb of God (Aries) but became a Fisher of Men (Pisces) - his entire religion was Solar-Astrological.'

Indeed, thats a story alright. Based on what? If you discount the Bible, and everything stated by every hiostorian that was just mentioned, what are you basing these claims on? Please cite.

That wikipedia is not research...
Sorry if that wasn't clear enough from my first sentence

Wiki is quoted repeatedly throughout this thread (as a pro or con for an argument), which is ok I guess, if people need to start there, but, even many schools today will not allow wiki material as 'research' material because it's either (a) heavily slanted or (b) completely inaccurate.

If people wish to use references for an argument, doesn't it makes sense that they would use source material?

Please cite something.

I mentioned Tacitus, Lucian, Celsus, Thallus, Seutonius, Pliny the younger, all was ignored. Apparently they didnt exist either, or were known by completely different names, like Jesus and Paul the Apostle were...

Well, the dating of such text is still very much in question. With the exception of a few fragments in the prophets, no biblical text is contemporaneous with the events it describes, so yes, the oral tradition is heavily relied upon, but when we put these under the microscope, we find that the oldest part of the bible, Genesis 1 thru 6 (which deal with the antediluvian period) was not written down in its present form much before 800 BCE - and that's liberal - Many propose a written date of circa 500 BCE):

The oldest complete record of the text survives in a Greek translation dating to the 4th century CE. Overwhelming archeological, textual and extra-biblical records indicated the book of Genesis was written/altered sometime during the 6th & 5th centuries BCE.

James George Frazer explains that everything that was thought to be unique to the Old Testament was, in fact, derived from Babylon (Delitzsch 1901-2)

J. W. Rogerson, Judith M. Lieu - the Oxford Handbook of Biblical Studies suggests it (the Ot) was composed in post-exilic times

The Hebrew language was not yet in existence during the period in which the book was allegedly written. the Ketav Ivri and the Ketav Ashuri are derived from the Pheonician and Babylonian languages, respectively, which are borrowed languages from people who worshipped other gods. So in what language did Yahweh speak to the Hebrews?

Even the philistines did not arrive in Canaan until circa 1200 BCE, yet they are ascribed in the OT some 300 years earlier? Math just doesn't work here.

How about those camels? Strong evidence suggests that camels were not domesticated during the 2nd millenniun BCE (likely after 1000 BCE in Egypt) yet there they are in Genesis???? (Israel Finkelstein & Neil Asher Silberman) and, Abram was rewarded a camel(by the Pharaoh) for prostituting his half sister/wife? So many OT stories about camels, yet they'd not even been domesticated yet?

How about Kasdim? In Genesis 11, 31 and 15, the Hebrew word "Kasdim" (Chaldee) is used to describe the ancient region of Babylonia - YET, that word was not used to describe ancient Babylonia until the 6th century BCE.

It appears that many, if not all, of the accounts of Abraham's birth and travels were created no earlier than the 6th Century BCE, indicating that the writer(s) was in Babylon during exile or had already returned to Isreal. (Gary Greenberg)

Let's not forget the first King of Israel was Saul (1020BCE-1000BCE) yet Genesis 36 makes a sloppy mess of using "any king".

Another clue to the late composition of the book of Genesis comes in the reference to an Edomite King by the name of Johab Johab's father was Zarah, a king from Bozrah. The ancient city of Bozrah was excavated by archeologists who claim it flourished in the 7th and 6th centuries BCE (excavations by Crystal-M. Bennett)

Thus the traditional picture of Israel’s ‘conquest’ of Canaan has been dramatically revised as a result of archaeological excavation and survey in the hill country. The evidence from Canaanite cities, formerly used to support the conquest theory, no longer works; certain cities named in the conquest narratives—Jericho, Ai, Heshbon, and Arad—were not Late Bronze Age cities. The kingdom of Edom, mentioned as an obstacle to Israel’s migration in Num. 20: 14–21, did not yet exist, as was shown by the excavations of Bennett at Umm el-Biyarah, TaWleh, and Busayra and the surveys of B. McDonald


Another clue which seems to suggest that the passage in question was written in the post exilic period, is that the author, if living within the 7th century would have known that contrary to the account given in Genesis (36:31), there were kings in Israel before there were kings in Edom, and not vice versa, as was errantly claimed by the author of Genesis (see Genesis 36)

Nineveh - listed first and foremost amongst the cities of Babylonia. During the period in which Genesis was traditionally believed to be written, the capital city of Babylon was Asshur, yet there is no mention of this city, instead we see three major cities listed; Nineveh, Rehoboth and Calah.
Genesis 10:11-12 lists the cities of Babylonia as follows;
…Nineveh and the city Rehoboth and Calah.
And Resen between Nineveh and Calah: the same is a great city. The fact that Nineveh is the first mentioned city is of great importance from a literary point of view. It seems to indicate that it was the most significant city, probably the capital. Moreover, in verse 12 it is given first place again over the city of Calah. The issue here is that it did not become the capital city until the 7th century BCE. (Paul J. Achtemeir)

Lud or Lydia - mentioned in Genesis 10 - was unheard of before the 7th Century BCE, so how could a 15th century BCE Israelite author have heard of it?

With regards to the late composition of the book of Genesis, referring to the ‘Oxford Handbook of Biblical Studies’, we are able to establish the probable truth that the book of Genesis was written during and more than likely after the 7th century B.C.E: (Judson Knight, Stacy A McConnell & Lawrence W. Baker)

I mentioned them - you must have missed my post

Actually, I do have an account. I was unaware I could post without logging in.

Anyway, so here I am....


Ralph

Err, Quirinus could not have taxed Judaea while Herod Archelous was Tetrarch, for he had no authority there. However, Archelous was exiled in AD 6, and it was then that Judaea came under the juristiction of Quirinus, the governor of Syria. This is when the biblical taxation happened.

[link to www.livius.org]

If the birth of Jesus was connected to the taxation event, then he must have been born after AD 6. Thus the king who was scared on this new prince's arrival, must have been Tetrarch Herod Antipas - the governor/prince of Galilee and Peraea.


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Err, this is not really accepted history, even though it is so obvious. The Torah says:

Quote:
Now a river flowed out of Eden to water the Garden (of Eden); and from there it divided and became four branches. Genesis 2:10


There is only one river that runs through a garden and then divides into branches, and that is the Nile.


And Pharaoh Akhenaton's god was called the Aten (or sometimes Aden).
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

And so the formal garden of Akhenaton's god was the Garden of Aden, which the Torah has interpreted as the Garden of Eden.

And the two royal love-birds in this garden were always naked. I refer here, of course, to Akhenaton and Nefertiti. The obvious fact, that the Jews do not wish to admit, is that Adam and Eve were actually Pharaoh Akhenaton and Queen Nefertit.

This is why the Genesis story, is a copy of the Hymn to the Aten.


See the book "Eden in Egypt" for details.


Ralph

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man cannot build his perfect kingdom because love will bring it down. untill the heavenly kingdom as united all under one flag then gods kingdom will be done as on earth as it is in heave ... :)


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Hey Ralph

didn't realize exactly WHO you were until after you logged in!

quite an honour chatting with you :)

question: is it possible that Jesus Bar Abbas - son of the father - was actually Caesaerian?

Oh, and since neither of us can PM, could you email me? (see my signature) I'd LOVE to chat more indepth with you and am wondering what you think of 'Caesar's Messiah'

Last Edited by Rev Woo-Woo on 03/20/2013 09:33 PM

When was Herod in charge of a census BC? PLEASE CITE. Augustus appointed Cyrenius/Quirinius to handle the census which was either 6 BC or 2 BC. The census from 8BC was delayed due to Herod's actions. Read this

[link to www.biblestudymanuals.net]

Oh i see, you are just looking at a few common letters in the words 'Eden' and 'Aten', and assuming they are the same. Thats brilliant..Too bad that wiki article doesnt even hint of any connection. Its amazing how you far you reach, for so little.

Revstargazer: you mentioned Philo, which was explained to you that his book on Pontius was lost. You then claimed Josephus was Jesus, or Paul. You lost any credibility there. I would love to see you break down that list of Tacitus, Seutonius, Thallus, Pliny the younger, Africanus, Lucian, Celsus etc as was mentioned before. Good luck, i wont hold my breath.

I'm not here to prove credibility to you or anyone else - nor am I here to argue with Christians about history that is available to anyone to research. I'm here in the search for TRUTH.

So, you'll have to find someone else to pick an argument with to try and prove your beliefs.

Good luck!

I will tell you again. Quirinus did not become governor of Syria until AD 6, and it was at this time that the census was taken. Thereforenthe Herod involved was either the last days of Herod Archelous, or perhaps Herod Antipas.

Firget the Catholic deceit of assuming this was Herod the Gret. It was not - could never have been.


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I see a few people have looked at this, but I would disagree. I am convinced that the 'minor' revolt that Jesus was involved in, was the Jewish Revolt of AD 70.

Thus Bar Abbas would have been one of the co-conspirators in the Revolt, one of the princes of Edessa, perhaps even Jesus' son. There may even be a play on words here, for Josephus always called the Edessans 'barbarians' (barbaros).


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Regards Eden being in Egypt....


Errr, no. This is not 'a few common letters'.

This is the same place-name, the same geographical location, the same text, the same 'royal couple', with the same name(s), the same dress (or lack of), and the same snake.

Apart from that, there are not too many similarities between Akhenaton' Aden and Adam's Eden .... ;-)


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You can contact me vie the Edfu email in the books. It may be on my website too.

Cheers,
Ralph