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What is the difference between Luciferianism and Satanism?

 
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Re: What is the difference between Luciferianism and Satanism?
If he/she is an atheist, why call themselves a satanist?


If Satan, Lucifer, Jinn whatever you call it is a lie or an illusion, why call yourself a Satanist instead of Atheist??
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From a psychological perspective, it would seem to me that 'satanists' have a fixation with negative energy or at least identifying with negative energy.

An atheist simply does not believe in a personified deity or 'God', and perhaps not even in an 'afterlife' existence, but there is no requirement if you are an atheist that you need to identify with negative energy or that you must lack a sense of morality.
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Oh hi there :))

absolutely, atheist has no god(s). of course doesn't believe in after life. (if she/he did, he wouldn't be an atheist)

""""but there is no requirement if you are an atheist that you need to identify with negative energy or that you must lack a sense of morality.""""

obviously..

but the argument is slightly different.
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Actually I wonder if there may be a small percentage of 'atheists' who do not believe in a personified deity or external 'God' but do believe in the 'afterlife' or some form of continued existence behind the physical flesh. Maybe if one is reading this he/she will speak up.

hmm

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Re: What is the difference between Luciferianism and Satanism?
What is the difference between Luciferianism and Satanism?

still no proper answer.
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Re: What is the difference between Luciferianism and Satanism?
You have to read Rudolf Steiner to know the
difference, or at least get a plausable explanation.
Satan is Ariman, is an actual
being who wants to keep man bound to the
earth and not advance into higher spiritual realms.
Anywhere there is materialism, there is Satan.
Lucifer temps man to forgo the earth for
illusory estatic states, a kind of counterfit
of spiritual growth, without any real moral or character
development. The use of drugs for instant enlightenment
would fall into this category, paganism, much of the new age movement. These forces used to be more antagonistic but
are now cooperating and working together, according to
Steiner scholars. Supposedly at the end of time Lucifer
will be redeemed but not Satan. There are other, more powerful negative beings now working in Human evolution,
according to Steiner, like Asuras.
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Re: What is the difference between Luciferianism and Satanism?
You have to read Rudolf Steiner to know the
difference, or at least get a plausable explanation.
Satan is Ariman, is an actual
being who wants to keep man bound to the
earth and not advance into higher spiritual realms.
Anywhere there is materialism, there is Satan.
Lucifer temps man to forgo the earth for
illusory estatic states, a kind of counterfit
of spiritual growth, without any real moral or character
development. The use of drugs for instant enlightenment
would fall into this category, paganism, much of the new age movement. These forces used to be more antagonistic but
are now cooperating and working together, according to
Steiner scholars. Supposedly at the end of time Lucifer
will be redeemed but not Satan. There are other, more powerful negative beings now working in Human evolution,
according to Steiner, like Asuras.
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I didn't know that. This is kinda what I was trying to figure out.

thanks

Thanks to everyone else that answered too.hf
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Re: What is the difference between Luciferianism and Satanism?
If he/she is an atheist, why call themselves a satanist?


If Satan, Lucifer, Jinn whatever you call it is a lie or an illusion, why call yourself a Satanist instead of Atheist??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36249561


From a psychological perspective, it would seem to me that 'satanists' have a fixation with negative energy or at least identifying with negative energy.

An atheist simply does not believe in a personified deity or 'God', and perhaps not even in an 'afterlife' existence, but there is no requirement if you are an atheist that you need to identify with negative energy or that you must lack a sense of morality.
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


Oh hi there :))

absolutely, atheist has no god(s). of course doesn't believe in after life. (if she/he did, he wouldn't be an atheist)

""""but there is no requirement if you are an atheist that you need to identify with negative energy or that you must lack a sense of morality.""""

obviously..

but the argument is slightly different.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36249561


Actually I wonder if there may be a small percentage of 'atheists' who do not believe in a personified deity or external 'God' but do believe in the 'afterlife' or some form of continued existence behind the physical flesh. Maybe if one is reading this he/she will speak up.

hmm
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I don't agree.

Death is a reality, the end for atheists, the (somewhat) beginning for believers.

If some atheists believe there is more to it, then they should believe in a "bridge".

Considering the atheists are educated people, they must imagine, there should be at least a CHIEF on the bridge.

Much respect to you, for me it doesn't add up.

They cut the line clean IMHO. that's IT for them :)
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What is the difference between Luciferianism and Satanism?

still no proper answer.
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In the ancient times humans were known to personify celestial bodies and assign human-like qualities & attributes to them. A type of anthropomorphism. I believe 'satan' is associated with the planet Saturn and 'lucifer' associated with the planet Venus. As far as the ideological differences between the two -isms I could not tell you as I don't study them or have knowledge of them.

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Re: What is the difference between Luciferianism and Satanism?
Also for the record there are distinct differences between Satanism, "Luciferianism" as you call it and demonology.
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Or hermetic traditions and the Jewish derived magics which amazingly include hoodoo which is cabalistic Jewish traditions mixed with African fold lore.
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kaballlah has hoodoo??
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Kabbalah involves hoodoo and voodoo?

WHAT IS Kabbalah?
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You have it backwards hoodoo involves cabalistic Jewish practices or jewish magic, not kabbalah related..
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Re: What is the difference between Luciferianism and Satanism?
Why would anyone WANT to be an athiest?

What if everyone in society were an athiest? Would decide morality or laws?

Because an athiest must also be an evolutionist, who are the more advanced humans? the ones with money?


If you consider yourself atheist, you are by no means intelectually smart enough to survive "survival of the fittest"
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Re: What is the difference between Luciferianism and Satanism?
Thanks.

I guess one of the things that I'm not understanding is all of the blood, guts, terror, fear, and human and animal sacrifices that are involved.

There's a lot of people here that are saying "Lucifer is good... blah blah blah" and he's the light etc., but how can he be good if there's so much bad done in tribute?
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There is no such thing as a person who worships Lucifer, Satanists are simply atheists.
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Satanists are atheists???

pure BS, sorry.
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A true Satanist that calls them self a satanist believes God and Satan are both lies and therefore is an atheist.
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bsflag
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Re: What is the difference between Luciferianism and Satanism?
Why would anyone WANT to be an athiest?

What if everyone in society were an athiest? Would decide morality or laws?

Because an athiest must also be an evolutionist, who are the more advanced humans? the ones with money?


If you consider yourself atheist, you are by no means intelectually smart enough to survive "survival of the fittest"
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If you need a magic book to tell you not to kill someone, you are probably someone who shouldn't be in society anyway.
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What is the difference between Luciferianism and Satanism?

still no proper answer.
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In the ancient times humans were known to personify celestial bodies and assign human-like qualities & attributes to them. A type of anthropomorphism. I believe 'satan' is associated with the planet Saturn and 'lucifer' associated with the planet Venus. As far as the ideological differences between the two -isms I could not tell you as I don't study them or have knowledge of them.

1dunno1
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"""I believe 'satan' is associated with the planet Saturn and 'lucifer' associated with the planet Venus. """

those are correct.

As far as I know..
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Or hermetic traditions and the Jewish derived magics which amazingly include hoodoo which is cabalistic Jewish traditions mixed with African fold lore.
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kaballlah has hoodoo??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36249561




Kabbalah involves hoodoo and voodoo?

WHAT IS Kabbalah?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36249561


You have it backwards hoodoo involves cabalistic Jewish practices or jewish magic, not kabbalah related..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225




Thank you.
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There is no such thing as a person who worships Lucifer, Satanists are simply atheists.
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Satanists are atheists???

pure BS, sorry.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36249561


A true Satanist that calls them self a satanist believes God and Satan are both lies and therefore is an atheist.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225


bsflag
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I am amazed at how confused people really are about what the church of satan and therefore satanists represent.
Here is a link to the official church of Satan so you can read the actual doctrine for yourself and understand if you really want to.
[link to www.churchofsatan.com]
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Why would anyone WANT to be an athiest?

What if everyone in society were an athiest? Would decide morality or laws?

Because an athiest must also be an evolutionist, who are the more advanced humans? the ones with money?


If you consider yourself atheist, you are by no means intelectually smart enough to survive "survival of the fittest"
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If you need a magic book to tell you not to kill someone, you are probably someone who shouldn't be in society anyway.
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Eliminating my competition by any means necessary is the definition of "the fittest"

I think you are contaminating the gene pool and need to be eliminated for humanities sake.

I am fitter than you..

See how that works mr Adolf Hitler?
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Satanists are atheists???

pure BS, sorry.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36249561


A true Satanist that calls them self a satanist believes God and Satan are both lies and therefore is an atheist.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225


bsflag
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52060


I am amazed at how confused people really are about what the church of satan and therefore satanists represent.
Here is a link to the official church of Satan so you can read the actual doctrine for yourself and understand if you really want to.
[link to www.churchofsatan.com]
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most of us know the time, don't worry :)
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A true Satanist that calls them self a satanist believes God and Satan are both lies and therefore is an atheist.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225


bsflag
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52060


I am amazed at how confused people really are about what the church of satan and therefore satanists represent.
Here is a link to the official church of Satan so you can read the actual doctrine for yourself and understand if you really want to.
[link to www.churchofsatan.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225




most of us know the time, don't worry :)
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"most of us know what time it is"


the proper idiom.


don't you worry ;))
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Re: What is the difference between Luciferianism and Satanism?
Please explain this to me.
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luciferianism is the exact same thing as satanism. except from the satanist's point of view, they worship Satan in his present form, while Luciferians worship Satan in his prior form. They think that Lucifer is still as he was, and will become God one day.
 Quoting: Salt


How dose the Process Church and/or the Process Church of Final Judgement Day fit into Luciferianism and Satanism?
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the process church is a branch off from scientology. they believe that satan and Jesus will reconcile and rule the future earth together. it gets as goofy as L. Ron's stuff. they believe in channelling they also believe that there is a Godhead that consists of Lucifer, Christ, Satan, and Jehovah. . makes no sense.

process church is satanism.

if you are not for God you are against Him.
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Wow, thank you for summing this up in an easy way to comprehend.
"They cannot see what's-up if They are looking down." (TastyThoughts)
"Something is smelly! Something is smelly, like an old barnacle encrusted shoe washing ashore in the middle of summer." (TastyThoughts)
"Yes happy Earth day. Now go tell the wicked to stop damaging the Human Species therefore/and the Earth; For, they are discombobulating the entire Universe and upsetting the Most High God." (TastyThoughts)
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Re: What is the difference between Luciferianism and Satanism?
Satan is pettier.

Lucifer is more rebellious.

But Luciferians are hypocrites because they persecute rebels.

So it is all pettiness.

In other words: SATANISM.
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that wasn't clear at all.



who is Satan and who is Lucifer?

What is the difference between Luciferism and Satanism?


In short cut?
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This is the core belief of Satanists. Excerpt from church of Satan.
As Anton LaVey explained in his classic work The Satanic Bible, Man—using his brain—invented all the Gods, doing so because many of our species cannot accept or control their personal egos, feeling compelled to conjure up one or a multiplicity of characters who can act without hindrance or guilt upon whims and desires. All Gods are thus externalized forms, magnified projections of the true nature of their creators, personifying aspects of the universe or personal temperaments which many of their followers find to be troubling. Worshipping any God is thus worshipping by proxy those who invented that God. Since the Satanist understands that all Gods are fiction, instead of bending a knee in worship to—or seeking friendship or unity with—such mythical entities, he places himself at the center of his own subjective universe as his own highest value.
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Re: What is the difference between Luciferianism and Satanism?
Satan is pettier.

Lucifer is more rebellious.

But Luciferians are hypocrites because they persecute rebels.

So it is all pettiness.

In other words: SATANISM.
 Quoting: TruthMinion


that wasn't clear at all.



who is Satan and who is Lucifer?

What is the difference between Luciferism and Satanism?


In short cut?
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Re: What is the difference between Luciferianism and Satanism?
Luciferianism is mythological while Satanism is actually atheism.
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How can it be atheism when they belive in a diety?
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Why would anyone WANT to be an athiest?

What if everyone in society were an athiest? Would decide morality or laws?

Because an athiest must also be an evolutionist, who are the more advanced humans? the ones with money?


If you consider yourself atheist, you are by no means intelectually smart enough to survive "survival of the fittest"
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If you need a magic book to tell you not to kill someone, you are probably someone who shouldn't be in society anyway.
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Eliminating my competition by any means necessary is the definition of "the fittest"

I think you are contaminating the gene pool and need to be eliminated for humanities sake.

I am fitter than you..

See how that works mr Adolf Hitler?
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You sound like a psycho. If the magic book is all that is keeping you from going on a bloody rampage then do us all a favor and kill yourself. For the good of humanity kill yourself.
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Re: What is the difference between Luciferianism and Satanism?
Luciferianism is mythological while Satanism is actually atheism.
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How can it be atheism when they belive in a diety?
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They do not believe in a deity.
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Re: What is the difference between Luciferianism and Satanism?
Literal Satanism: Has many variations like Christianity, but most recognize a hierarchy of devils, satan being the highest.

Symbolic Satanism: Atheistic, Worships Satan as a concept of self indulgence and human nature. Not an actual deity

Luciferianism: Believes the Christian God is a tyrant, and that lucifer eventually will become god.
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Luciferianism is mythological while Satanism is actually atheism.
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How can it be atheism when they belive in a diety?
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They do not believe in a deity.
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Since it seems hard to understand this defines a Satanist.
"Since the Satanist understands that all Gods are fiction, instead of bending a knee in worship to—or seeking friendship or unity with—such mythical entities, he places himself at the center of his own subjective universe as his own highest value" Church of Satan
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This is the core belief of Satanists. Excerpt from church of Satan.
As Anton LaVey explained in his classic work The Satanic Bible, Man—using his brain—invented all the Gods, doing so because many of our species cannot accept or control their personal egos, feeling compelled to conjure up one or a multiplicity of characters who can act without hindrance or guilt upon whims and desires. All Gods are thus externalized forms, magnified projections of the true nature of their creators, personifying aspects of the universe or personal temperaments which many of their followers find to be troubling. Worshipping any God is thus worshipping by proxy those who invented that God. Since the Satanist understands that all Gods are fiction, instead of bending a knee in worship to—or seeking friendship or unity with—such mythical entities, he places himself at the center of his own subjective universe as his own highest value.
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If there is no worshipping to no God whatsoever, why call themselves Satanists and bow to Satan -- a God "invention"

and not "EGOISTS"?
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Re: What is the difference between Luciferianism and Satanism?
Literal Satanism: Has many variations like Christianity, but most recognize a hierarchy of devils, satan being the highest.

Symbolic Satanism: Atheistic, Worships Satan as a concept of self indulgence and human nature. Not an actual deity

Luciferianism: Believes the Christian God is a tyrant, and that lucifer eventually will become god.
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You are confusing demonology with "Literal Satanism".
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Literal Satanism: Has many variations like Christianity, but most recognize a hierarchy of devils, satan being the highest.

Symbolic Satanism: Atheistic, Worships Satan as a concept of self indulgence and human nature. Not an actual deity

Luciferianism: Believes the Christian God is a tyrant, and that lucifer eventually will become god.
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You are confusing demonology with "Literal Satanism".
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What is the difference?
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This is the core belief of Satanists. Excerpt from church of Satan.
As Anton LaVey explained in his classic work The Satanic Bible, Man—using his brain—invented all the Gods, doing so because many of our species cannot accept or control their personal egos, feeling compelled to conjure up one or a multiplicity of characters who can act without hindrance or guilt upon whims and desires. All Gods are thus externalized forms, magnified projections of the true nature of their creators, personifying aspects of the universe or personal temperaments which many of their followers find to be troubling. Worshipping any God is thus worshipping by proxy those who invented that God. Since the Satanist understands that all Gods are fiction, instead of bending a knee in worship to—or seeking friendship or unity with—such mythical entities, he places himself at the center of his own subjective universe as his own highest value.
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If there is no worshipping to no God whatsoever, why call themselves Satanists and bow to Satan -- a God "invention"

and not "EGOISTS"?
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It is about perspective.
"all Gods are fiction, instead of bending a knee in worship to—or seeking friendship or unity with"
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Re: What is the difference between Luciferianism and Satanism?
Why would anyone WANT to be an athiest?

What if everyone in society were an athiest? Would decide morality or laws?

Because an athiest must also be an evolutionist, who are the more advanced humans? the ones with money?


If you consider yourself atheist, you are by no means intelectually smart enough to survive "survival of the fittest"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853586


If you need a magic book to tell you not to kill someone, you are probably someone who shouldn't be in society anyway.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28948108


Eliminating my competition by any means necessary is the definition of "the fittest"

I think you are contaminating the gene pool and need to be eliminated for humanities sake.

I am fitter than you..

See how that works mr Adolf Hitler?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853586


You sound like a psycho. If the magic book is all that is keeping you from going on a bloody rampage then do us all a favor and kill yourself. For the good of humanity kill yourself.
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You are obviously one of the least fit ones, perhaps a good serf maybe, but definitely not an intellectual.

You might last two weeks in atheist society... if your master found some menial or amusing task you could perform for him.

I would like a copy of this "magic book" you are referring too...

Were you referring to Peter Rabbit or the Cat in the Hat perhaps?

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