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Evolution in the Bible!

 
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O.K. so who are the serpents offspring mentioned in the same verses?
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Gen 3-15
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
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Could be the allegedly hybrid TPTB, greys, or any other genetically altered agents or factions of wickedness.
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It's not evolution if it happens fast.
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I have always heard a day to God could be a million years so how fast did it really happen?
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I dunno. Go ask a creationist.
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But its evolution not creation.
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O.K. so who are the serpents offspring mentioned in the same verses?
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Gen 3-15
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
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Could be the allegedly hybrid TPTB, greys, or any other genetically altered agents or factions of wickedness.
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So it boils down to Jesus and the reptilians?
Well I guess that does it everything is interconnected.
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O.K. so who are the serpents offspring mentioned in the same verses?
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Gen 3-15
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225


Could be the allegedly hybrid TPTB, greys, or any other genetically altered agents or factions of wickedness.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


So it boils down to Jesus and the reptilians?
Well I guess that does it everything is interconnected.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225


Could be - I dunno. Could merely be symbolic, like when Jesus told the Pharisees "You are of your father the devil". I don't think they were genetically inhuman, but rather behaved in a devilish manner, with their religious pride, hypocrisy, effortless condemnation of everyone, etc.
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Gen 3-15
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225


Could be the allegedly hybrid TPTB, greys, or any other genetically altered agents or factions of wickedness.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


So it boils down to Jesus and the reptilians?
Well I guess that does it everything is interconnected.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225


Could be - I dunno. Could merely be symbolic, like when Jesus told the Pharisees "You are of your father the devil". I don't think they were genetically inhuman, but rather behaved in a devilish manner, with their religious pride, hypocrisy, effortless condemnation of everyone, etc.
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Just so I understand then we do not take the Bible at face value with anything it says right? Or is it just certain inconvenient sections that we have to interpret?
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Just so I understand then we do not take the Bible at face value with anything it says right? Or is it just certain inconvenient sections that we have to interpret?
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I dunno - we might want to look at the track record, disposition and functionality of those who take it all black-and-white literal versus those who pursue the symbolism.

I'm personally playing things by ear, and maintain a sizable "shelf" on which a lot of stuff resides that I'm undecided on. There are layers of applications to probably everything in the book. . .and that's only after we get it translated right, which from the very outset is itself a big hurdle.
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I find it to be an amazing statement to the combative mentality of humanity that when a bridge is presented to generate peace and cooperation both sides adamantly hunt for arguments of why the two sides cannot agree.
Both Christians and Atheists fighting tooth and nail to remain at odds when a simple door to cooperation is opened.
When an option of burying an old grudge and moving on is presented all sides show their true colors and their desire only to win.
The Christian message is supposed to be peace and the Atheist doctrine is supposedly better logic and higher understanding but it just looks like a hall of mirrors and both sides are the same.
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I find it to be an amazing statement to the combative mentality of humanity that when a bridge is presented to generate peace and cooperation both sides adamantly hunt for arguments of why the two sides cannot agree.
Both Christians and Atheists fighting tooth and nail to remain at odds when a simple door to cooperation is opened.
When an option of burying an old grudge and moving on is presented all sides show their true colors and their desire only to win.
The Christian message is supposed to be peace and the Atheist doctrine is supposedly better logic and higher understanding but it just looks like a hall of mirrors and both sides are the same.
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I hear where you're coming from, and I appreciate your efforts. I personally believe God Himself is evolving, as He interacts with us and new relationships and depths are formed. He claims He will eventually be "all in all", and if He's someday gonna be something He is not currently, that pretty much fits the definition of "evolution" in my book.

People get too uptight over window dressing.
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I find it to be an amazing statement to the combative mentality of humanity that when a bridge is presented to generate peace and cooperation both sides adamantly hunt for arguments of why the two sides cannot agree.
Both Christians and Atheists fighting tooth and nail to remain at odds when a simple door to cooperation is opened.
When an option of burying an old grudge and moving on is presented all sides show their true colors and their desire only to win.
The Christian message is supposed to be peace and the Atheist doctrine is supposedly better logic and higher understanding but it just looks like a hall of mirrors and both sides are the same.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225


I hear where you're coming from, and I appreciate your efforts. I personally believe God Himself is evolving, as He interacts with us and new relationships and depths are formed. He claims He will eventually be "all in all", and if He's someday gonna be something He is not currently, that pretty much fits the definition of "evolution" in my book.

People get too uptight over window dressing.
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I wish I could 5* your post.
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I find it to be an amazing statement to the combative mentality of humanity that when a bridge is presented to generate peace and cooperation both sides adamantly hunt for arguments of why the two sides cannot agree.
Both Christians and Atheists fighting tooth and nail to remain at odds when a simple door to cooperation is opened.
When an option of burying an old grudge and moving on is presented all sides show their true colors and their desire only to win.
The Christian message is supposed to be peace and the Atheist doctrine is supposedly better logic and higher understanding but it just looks like a hall of mirrors and both sides are the same.
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It occurred to me that something I've been chewing on might be of interest to you, as it fits within this same kind of model, as truth bigger than mere <religion vs. science>. . .

Psalm 139 is a quite personal writing of king David, sort of an acknowledgment of God's omnipresence contrasted with our mortal frailty, and of His commitment to us. In verse 16, David says "Mine unformed substance Thine eyes saw, And on Thy book all of them are written, The days they were formed -- And not one among them" (Young's Literal Bible). Other versions say "in thy book my members were written". It's speculated that this "book" is our DNA.

In Revelation, God talks about having one's name written in the Book of Life, or in some cases blotted out. If this is a similar "book" as David mentions, it could easily be a reference to the DNA of Christ, whose resurrected state is also promised to His "overcomers" (the Meek who shall inherit the earth).

Further, in Genesis there's the story of Jacob/Israel giving his youngest son Joseph a "coat of many colors", a symbol of his status as "favorite", and a cause of jealousy within Joe's older brothers. They kidnap him, sell him into slavery, he ends up in Egypt, spends time in the dungeon after being falsely accused, etc. It's basically the story of a little guy who learns humility and responsibility through being given a raw deal, and coming to see God's hand in all of it. This is the model for those Meek whom Jesus says will inherit the earth - they will have been trained on God's custom obstacle course, to learn what it is to walk in the shoes of the oppressed and forsaken, so they can be trusted as proper stewards of His kingdom, to rule with fairness, mercy and impartiality.

The interesting part here is the coat of many colors. . .the word "chromosome" literally means "color body", suggesting a connection. I believe Joseph represents those to whom God will be giving His own chromosomes, or the risen body of Christ I mentioned above.

My understanding is that there are legends and prophecies in other cultures that refer to a "people of light" who will ultimately straighten out the world, usher in peace, etc. (I think the Hopi have stories of this).

Christ is said to return in clouds. Most are expecting Him to literally descend from the sky, but there are other clouds besides just the vapor accumulations we see daily. There's been a lot of talk here of our solar system entering the magnetic fluff clouds, with a lot of speculation on what it might do to our world or our bodies.

Likewise, chapter 11 in the book of Hebrews lists some of the saints of the old testament and their works, and then chapter 12 opens by referring to these overcomers as "a great cloud of witnesses". I'm personally convinced that Christ will return in the "clouds" of His people, the resurrection of said saints, along with all who have walked the same path since then.

When discussing His approaching appointment with the cross in John 12, Jesus says "unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it produces much grain". The word picture is vivid - in death He was "planted", and His harvest (at least the first one)
will be a field full of Jesuses, or people molded and transformed into His image and with His heart.

It's pretty fascinating stuff to consider. Definitely a little "out there" for some mainline church folk, but not everyone is wired to connect the dots.

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