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The Four Noble Truths - To Live is to Suffer

 
Life and Love

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I appreciate the post, OP. Five stars.

One of my major takeaways from the study of Buddhism was that our suffering is self-generated, which means it also has the potential to be self-healing.
We become like that to which we are devoted. Choose wisely.
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Archons (generalized evil) are impermanent too like everything else. Being convinced of a story isn't a good idea. Worse yet, allowing it to guide your actions.
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This guy's better than any shrink or best friend you ever had
(he has at least 500 vids):

3 - 2 -1 DROP IT!

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I've been on a Mooji binge the last week. I love this man!
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OP, do I need to suffer to be a Buddhist? to be One? and follow the little 4 agreements that troubled youth, addictions, and alcoholics are made to memorize in treatment centers? ok.....

so telling

archons always expose themselves. they can't help it, little robots. maybe I should stay on the grid too.
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You don't understand. Of course you do not need to suffer to be a Buddhist. Buddha merely stated that life is suffering. All of us suffer, it's a fact of life.

How do your 'archons' expose themselves?
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not my archons. the gnostics, esoteric, coptic texts, Greeks, magistrates, Nag Hammadi, banks, etc. -- their archons. google it. it's your friend.
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I know what archons are. I didn't say I didn't. You said archons always expose themselves, and it's 'so telling'. What are you saying? Are your comments of any relation to this thread? Or are you just into Pokemon?
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I'm done with you. so enlightened you portray yourself as, but do not know what the hell I mean? C'mon dude. there are consequences for manipulating people, for real. you will understand with just a few more revolutions around the Sun. Then talk all you want with the archons. I'm sure they will make you understand, as well the pot smoker.
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How can attachment to somebody be a posion? I understand being attached to things and craving for things/money is posion....But what about love and falling in love..... Or am I missing something?
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I've concluded that it is like having a car, or a house or other material possessions. If one day they are taken away from, many people would 'suffer' from their attachment to that particular car or house or whatever.

Buddha took it deeper and saw this embodied within human feelings as well. Say, if a loved one dies, it is the attachment to that loved one that makes you suffer when they are gone.

Attachment is one of the causes of suffering.
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You don't understand. Of course you do not need to suffer to be a Buddhist. Buddha merely stated that life is suffering. All of us suffer, it's a fact of life.

How do your 'archons' expose themselves?
 Quoting: Septenary Man


not my archons. the gnostics, esoteric, coptic texts, Greeks, magistrates, Nag Hammadi, banks, etc. -- their archons. google it. it's your friend.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14403914


I know what archons are. I didn't say I didn't. You said archons always expose themselves, and it's 'so telling'. What are you saying? Are your comments of any relation to this thread? Or are you just into Pokemon?
 Quoting: Septenary Man


I'm done with you. so enlightened you portray yourself as, but do not know what the hell I mean? C'mon dude. there are consequences for manipulating people, for real. you will understand with just a few more revolutions around the Sun. Then talk all you want with the archons. I'm sure they will make you understand, as well the pot smoker.
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So, I am manipulating people because I posted a thread about Buddha's teachings?

wtf lol
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OP, just looked at your profile. why do your post get low ratings so much? just asking.
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I've noticed a lot of richer posters get attacked by easily threatened folks with narrow limits which glp is overrun with.
They like their little holes in the ground.
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OP, just looked at your profile. why do your post get low ratings so much? just asking.
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OK. I just looked. Out of 15 threads on my profile only 3 have less than 4 stars. 11 are in the 5 star range.

That's over 73% of my threads in my profile are in the 5 star range. I don't understand what you are getting at.

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OP, just looked at your profile. why do your post get low ratings so much? just asking.
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Bc those of us who truly appreciate the posts he make forgets to star them... Now I just did 5*
Truth and Love...
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interesting how I never see
bankers suffer

they always retire with
bonuses equal to the GDP
of some small nations.
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OP, just looked at your profile. why do your post get low ratings so much? just asking.
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I've noticed a lot of richer posters get attacked by easily threatened folks with narrow limits which glp is overrun with.
They like their little holes in the ground.
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Who is attacking?
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I appreciate the post, OP. Five stars.

One of my major takeaways from the study of Buddhism was that our suffering is self-generated, which means it also has the potential to be self-healing.
 Quoting: Life and Love


I really like this and totally agree with it.
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can't stand OP's that pin their own threads all the time. usually some kind of religious nut, including scientology crap.
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"All alien pilots are Buddhists" - Dion
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wow! Interesting you have this quote. Now it makes sense hearing this .."The pilot brothers are coming!"

we are turning into Buddist
we are what we have been waiting for.
Imagine yourself as a garden. Nurture and protect it:)
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OP, just looked at your profile. why do your post get low ratings so much? just asking.
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Bc those of us who truly appreciate the posts he make forgets to star them... Now I just did 5*
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AC must be trolling or something. Most of my threads are into the 5 star range, so he/she is obviously just trying to get me riled up.
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"All alien pilots are Buddhists" - Dion
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wow! Interesting you have this quote. Now it makes sense hearing this .."The pilot brothers are coming!"

we are turning into Buddist
we are what we have been waiting for.
 Quoting: Newheart


Hey Newheart! That is one of Dionysian's sayings. Where did you hear 'The pilot brothers are coming!'?
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can't stand OP's that pin their own threads all the time. usually some kind of religious nut, including scientology crap.
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Oh, that explains a few comments.
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To those non-Buddhist readers (like myself), I would recommend the following books to give you more insight:

"The Diamond Cutter: The Buddha on Managing Your Business and Your Life" by Geshe Michael Roach

"A Spiritual Renegade's Guide to the Good Life" by Lama Marut

"No Time to Lose: A Timely Guide to the Way of the Bodhisattva" by Pema Chodron
We become like that to which we are devoted. Choose wisely.
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"All alien pilots are Buddhists" - Dion
 Quoting: Septenary Man


wow! Interesting you have this quote. Now it makes sense hearing this .."The pilot brothers are coming!"

we are turning into Buddist
we are what we have been waiting for.
 Quoting: Newheart


Hey Newheart! That is one of Dionysian's sayings. Where did you hear 'The pilot brothers are coming!'?
 Quoting: Septenary Man


from within me just as I awoke one morning.
Imagine yourself as a garden. Nurture and protect it:)
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"All alien pilots are Buddhists" - Dion
 Quoting: Septenary Man


wow! Interesting you have this quote. Now it makes sense hearing this .."The pilot brothers are coming!"

we are turning into Buddist
we are what we have been waiting for.
 Quoting: Newheart


Hey Newheart! That is one of Dionysian's sayings. Where did you hear 'The pilot brothers are coming!'?
 Quoting: Septenary Man


from within me just as I awoke one morning.
 Quoting: Newheart


That's pretty interesting.
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To those non-Buddhist readers (like myself), I would recommend the following books to give you more insight:

"The Diamond Cutter: The Buddha on Managing Your Business and Your Life" by Geshe Michael Roach

"A Spiritual Renegade's Guide to the Good Life" by Lama Marut

"No Time to Lose: A Timely Guide to the Way of the Bodhisattva" by Pema Chodron
 Quoting: Life and Love


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How can attachment to somebody be a posion? I understand being attached to things and craving for things/money is posion....But what about love and falling in love..... Or am I missing something?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36430867


I've concluded that it is like having a car, or a house or other material possessions. If one day they are taken away from, many people would 'suffer' from their attachment to that particular car or house or whatever.

Buddha took it deeper and saw this embodied within human feelings as well. Say, if a loved one dies, it is the attachment to that loved one that makes you suffer when they are gone.

Attachment is one of the causes of suffering.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Why would anyone try to overcome attachement to the most loved ones? Its impossible unless you stomp on your emotions.

Imo being attached to human beings you love so much is not wrong. Letting go these attachments also means stop caring/loving them when they are still alive so that you don't suffer later on?.... Thats how I see it.

Or is there still something that I am missing? Without love (this also means being attached to someone) there is no reason to live...
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you have to admit OP, you tend to just regurgitate other people's ideas and cut & paste a wall of philosophical jargon that is meant to control the masses, or keep people in spiritual bondage with dualism. Much like mainstream psychology.

and I agree, constantly pinning your own threads is utterly distasteful.
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interesting how I never see
bankers suffer

they always retire with
bonuses equal to the GDP
of some small nations.
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exactly
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interesting how I never see
bankers suffer

they always retire with
bonuses equal to the GDP
of some small nations.
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exactly
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I'm sure the OP is going to need you to explain this to him though. or say what does that have to do with the psychological book called the 4 agreements, used in residential centers throughout the US and Canada.
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How can attachment to somebody be a posion? I understand being attached to things and craving for things/money is posion....But what about love and falling in love..... Or am I missing something?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36430867


I've concluded that it is like having a car, or a house or other material possessions. If one day they are taken away from, many people would 'suffer' from their attachment to that particular car or house or whatever.

Buddha took it deeper and saw this embodied within human feelings as well. Say, if a loved one dies, it is the attachment to that loved one that makes you suffer when they are gone.

Attachment is one of the causes of suffering.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Why would anyone try to overcome attachement to the most loved ones? Its impossible unless you stomp on your emotions.

Imo being attached to human beings you love so much is not wrong. Letting go these attachments also means stop caring/loving them when they are still alive so that you don't suffer later on?.... Thats how I see it.

Or is there still something that I am missing? Without love (this also means being attached to someone) there is no reason to live...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36430867


That is the area of Buddhism that I always had trouble with as well. I've concluded that it all must be balanced.

When Buddha left his home, he had responsibilities to his family, including a wife and son. And yet, he left it all. To me, and maybe it is just part of this day and age, but that is awful. Supposedly the seekers then were highly revered and respected. So maybe his family viewed it that way as well when he left to find Nirvana, and it wasn't as bad as it sounds nowadays.
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you have to admit OP, you tend to just regurgitate other people's ideas and cut & paste a wall of philosophical jargon that is meant to control the masses, or keep people in spiritual bondage with dualism. Much like mainstream psychology.

and I agree, constantly pinning your own threads is utterly distasteful.
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You act as if I care.
I have removed all my attachments to you, so your words cause me no suffering.

chuckle

Are you suffering because you do not have an account, and are therefor unable to pin your own threads?
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How can attachment to somebody be a posion? I understand being attached to things and craving for things/money is posion....But what about love and falling in love..... Or am I missing something?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36430867


I've concluded that it is like having a car, or a house or other material possessions. If one day they are taken away from, many people would 'suffer' from their attachment to that particular car or house or whatever.

Buddha took it deeper and saw this embodied within human feelings as well. Say, if a loved one dies, it is the attachment to that loved one that makes you suffer when they are gone.

Attachment is one of the causes of suffering.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Why would anyone try to overcome attachement to the most loved ones? Its impossible unless you stomp on your emotions.

Imo being attached to human beings you love so much is not wrong. Letting go these attachments also means stop caring/loving them when they are still alive so that you don't suffer later on?.... Thats how I see it.

Or is there still something that I am missing? Without love (this also means being attached to someone) there is no reason to live...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36430867


That is the area of Buddhism that I always had trouble with as well. I've concluded that it all must be balanced.

When Buddha left his home, he had responsibilities to his family, including a wife and son. And yet, he left it all. To me, and maybe it is just part of this day and age, but that is awful. Supposedly the seekers then were highly revered and respected. So maybe his family viewed it that way as well when he left to find Nirvana, and it wasn't as bad as it sounds nowadays.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


yes - a very good discussion.

Let me add this thought from Thomas Merton that I think relates to love and attachment

“The beginning of love is to let those we love be perfectly themselves, and not to twist them to fit our own image. Otherwise we love only the reflection of ourselves we find in them.”

To me this is a non-clinging, ungrasping expression of love.
We become like that to which we are devoted. Choose wisely.
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OP, just looked at your profile. why do your post get low ratings so much? just asking.
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Bc those of us who truly appreciate the posts he make forgets to star them... Now I just did 5*
 Quoting: 141


AC must be trolling or something. Most of my threads are into the 5 star range, so he/she is obviously just trying to get me riled up.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Yeah figured so, bc I couldn't really believe that your posts would get low ratings lol
Anyway I think he'd have a real hard time provoking you :O)
Truth and Love...
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you have to admit OP, you tend to just regurgitate other people's ideas and cut & paste a wall of philosophical jargon that is meant to control the masses, or keep people in spiritual bondage with dualism. Much like mainstream psychology.

and I agree, constantly pinning your own threads is utterly distasteful.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34071163


You act as if I care.
I have removed all my attachments to you, so your words cause me no suffering.

chuckle

Are you suffering because you do not have an account, and are therefor unable to pin your own threads?
 Quoting: Septenary Man


wow OP, how un-Buddha like of you. maybe you should break out the 4 agreements to help with your aggression and ego.

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