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The Four Noble Truths - To Live is to Suffer

 
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I've concluded that it is like having a car, or a house or other material possessions. If one day they are taken away from, many people would 'suffer' from their attachment to that particular car or house or whatever.

Buddha took it deeper and saw this embodied within human feelings as well. Say, if a loved one dies, it is the attachment to that loved one that makes you suffer when they are gone.

Attachment is one of the causes of suffering.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Why would anyone try to overcome attachement to the most loved ones? Its impossible unless you stomp on your emotions.

Imo being attached to human beings you love so much is not wrong. Letting go these attachments also means stop caring/loving them when they are still alive so that you don't suffer later on?.... Thats how I see it.

Or is there still something that I am missing? Without love (this also means being attached to someone) there is no reason to live...
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That is the area of Buddhism that I always had trouble with as well. I've concluded that it all must be balanced.

When Buddha left his home, he had responsibilities to his family, including a wife and son. And yet, he left it all. To me, and maybe it is just part of this day and age, but that is awful. Supposedly the seekers then were highly revered and respected. So maybe his family viewed it that way as well when he left to find Nirvana, and it wasn't as bad as it sounds nowadays.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


yes - a very good discussion.

Let me add this thought from Thomas Merton that I think relates to love and attachment

“The beginning of love is to let those we love be perfectly themselves, and not to twist them to fit our own image. Otherwise we love only the reflection of ourselves we find in them.”

To me this is a non-clinging, ungrasping expression of love.
 Quoting: Life and Love


I totally agree with that quote. Most people want to change the person they love. I guess that is part of human nature. But to have two people love each other fully as they act themselves...now that is awesome indeed.
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OP, just looked at your profile. why do your post get low ratings so much? just asking.
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Bc those of us who truly appreciate the posts he make forgets to star them... Now I just did 5*
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AC must be trolling or something. Most of my threads are into the 5 star range, so he/she is obviously just trying to get me riled up.
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Yeah figured so, bc I couldn't really believe that your posts would get low ratings lol
Anyway I think he'd have a real hard time provoking you :O)
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you have to admit OP, you tend to just regurgitate other people's ideas and cut & paste a wall of philosophical jargon that is meant to control the masses, or keep people in spiritual bondage with dualism. Much like mainstream psychology.

and I agree, constantly pinning your own threads is utterly distasteful.
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You act as if I care.
I have removed all my attachments to you, so your words cause me no suffering.

chuckle

Are you suffering because you do not have an account, and are therefor unable to pin your own threads?
 Quoting: Septenary Man


wow OP, how un-Buddha like of you. maybe you should break out the 4 agreements to help with your aggression and ego.
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I have to admit to not understanding holding such animosity towards things not agreed with.
We become like that to which we are devoted. Choose wisely.
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you have to admit OP, you tend to just regurgitate other people's ideas and cut & paste a wall of philosophical jargon that is meant to control the masses, or keep people in spiritual bondage with dualism. Much like mainstream psychology.

and I agree, constantly pinning your own threads is utterly distasteful.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34071163


You act as if I care.
I have removed all my attachments to you, so your words cause me no suffering.

chuckle

Are you suffering because you do not have an account, and are therefor unable to pin your own threads?
 Quoting: Septenary Man


wow OP, how un-Buddha like of you. maybe you should break out the 4 agreements to help with your aggression and ego.
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How was I being un-Buddha? I said I had released my attachments. See my comment in bold above?

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you have to admit OP, you tend to just regurgitate other people's ideas and cut & paste a wall of philosophical jargon that is meant to control the masses, or keep people in spiritual bondage with dualism. Much like mainstream psychology.

and I agree, constantly pinning your own threads is utterly distasteful.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34071163


You act as if I care.
I have removed all my attachments to you, so your words cause me no suffering.

chuckle

Are you suffering because you do not have an account, and are therefor unable to pin your own threads?
 Quoting: Septenary Man


wow OP, how un-Buddha like of you. maybe you should break out the 4 agreements to help with your aggression and ego.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17776525


How was I being un-Buddha? I said I had released my attachments. See my comment in bold above?

grinning
 Quoting: Septenary Man


damn OP, you're the one with the 4 agreements. why do you keep asking why, but what do you mean...Buddha not pleased with this one, yes.
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you have to admit OP, you tend to just regurgitate other people's ideas and cut & paste a wall of philosophical jargon that is meant to control the masses, or keep people in spiritual bondage with dualism. Much like mainstream psychology.

and I agree, constantly pinning your own threads is utterly distasteful.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34071163


You act as if I care.
I have removed all my attachments to you, so your words cause me no suffering.

chuckle

Are you suffering because you do not have an account, and are therefor unable to pin your own threads?
 Quoting: Septenary Man


wow OP, how un-Buddha like of you. maybe you should break out the 4 agreements to help with your aggression and ego.
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I have to admit to not understanding holding such animosity towards things not agreed with.
 Quoting: Life and Love


I find it curious how AC thinks I have aggression and ego issues. Where was I aggressive? How have I not suppressed my ego?

That's funny to me.
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OP, insert wall of Buddha text here:
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I released all my attachments,trying to please others. Because you never will. like Antipas..the faithful witness mentioned in Rev. 2:13

When Antipas was advised:
"Antipas, the whole world is against you!",
Antipas reputedly replied:
"Then I am against the whole world!"

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Look at the ships also, though they are so great and are driven by strong winds, are still directed by a very small rudder wherever the inclination of the pilot desires.
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You act as if I care.
I have removed all my attachments to you, so your words cause me no suffering.

chuckle

Are you suffering because you do not have an account, and are therefor unable to pin your own threads?
 Quoting: Septenary Man


wow OP, how un-Buddha like of you. maybe you should break out the 4 agreements to help with your aggression and ego.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17776525


How was I being un-Buddha? I said I had released my attachments. See my comment in bold above?

grinning
 Quoting: Septenary Man


damn OP, you're the one with the 4 agreements. why do you keep asking why, but what do you mean...Buddha not pleased with this one, yes.
yoda
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17776525


What is wrong with asking your opinion on it? I like discussion and dialogue, not one way "because I said it is this way" type communication.

The Four Agreements are:

1. Be Impeccable with your Word: Speak with integrity. Say only what you mean. Avoid using the Word to speak against yourself or to gossip about others. Use the power of your Word in the direction of truth and love.

2. Don’t Take Anything Personally
Nothing others do is because of you. What others say and do is a projection of their own reality, their own dream. When you are immune to the opinions and actions of others, you won’t be the victim of needless suffering.

3. Don’t Make Assumptions
Find the courage to ask questions and to express what you really want. Communicate with others as clearly as you can to avoid misunderstandings, sadness and drama. With just this one agreement, you can completely transform your life.

4. Always Do Your Best
Your best is going to change from moment to moment; it will be different when you are healthy as opposed to sick. Under any circumstance, simply do your best, and you will avoid self-judgment, self-abuse, and regret.
 Quoting: 4 Agreements

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Where do you think I am missing something?

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I've concluded that it is like having a car, or a house or other material possessions. If one day they are taken away from, many people would 'suffer' from their attachment to that particular car or house or whatever.

Buddha took it deeper and saw this embodied within human feelings as well. Say, if a loved one dies, it is the attachment to that loved one that makes you suffer when they are gone.

Attachment is one of the causes of suffering.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Why would anyone try to overcome attachement to the most loved ones? Its impossible unless you stomp on your emotions.

Imo being attached to human beings you love so much is not wrong. Letting go these attachments also means stop caring/loving them when they are still alive so that you don't suffer later on?.... Thats how I see it.

Or is there still something that I am missing? Without love (this also means being attached to someone) there is no reason to live...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36430867


That is the area of Buddhism that I always had trouble with as well. I've concluded that it all must be balanced.

When Buddha left his home, he had responsibilities to his family, including a wife and son. And yet, he left it all. To me, and maybe it is just part of this day and age, but that is awful. Supposedly the seekers then were highly revered and respected. So maybe his family viewed it that way as well when he left to find Nirvana, and it wasn't as bad as it sounds nowadays.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


yes - a very good discussion.

Let me add this thought from Thomas Merton that I think relates to love and attachment

“The beginning of love is to let those we love be perfectly themselves, and not to twist them to fit our own image. Otherwise we love only the reflection of ourselves we find in them.”

To me this is a non-clinging, ungrasping expression of love.
 Quoting: Life and Love


I agree but I am searching for different answer. How can you not be attached to someone you love? I think it's not possible unless you are egoistic and stomping your emotions thus meaning you dont really love them. You cant love someone and not be hurt when they go...I just can see that happening.
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OP, insert wall of Buddha text here:
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Why? Most GLPers don't like walls of text. You want me to post a link instead?
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Why would anyone try to overcome attachement to the most loved ones? Its impossible unless you stomp on your emotions.

Imo being attached to human beings you love so much is not wrong. Letting go these attachments also means stop caring/loving them when they are still alive so that you don't suffer later on?.... Thats how I see it.

Or is there still something that I am missing? Without love (this also means being attached to someone) there is no reason to live...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36430867


That is the area of Buddhism that I always had trouble with as well. I've concluded that it all must be balanced.

When Buddha left his home, he had responsibilities to his family, including a wife and son. And yet, he left it all. To me, and maybe it is just part of this day and age, but that is awful. Supposedly the seekers then were highly revered and respected. So maybe his family viewed it that way as well when he left to find Nirvana, and it wasn't as bad as it sounds nowadays.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


yes - a very good discussion.

Let me add this thought from Thomas Merton that I think relates to love and attachment

“The beginning of love is to let those we love be perfectly themselves, and not to twist them to fit our own image. Otherwise we love only the reflection of ourselves we find in them.”

To me this is a non-clinging, ungrasping expression of love.
 Quoting: Life and Love


I agree but I am searching for different answer. How can you not be attached to someone you love? I think it's not possible unless you are egoistic and stomping your emotions thus meaning you dont really love them. You cant love someone and not be hurt when they go...I just can see that happening.
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Totally agree.
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I released all my attachments,trying to please others. Because you never will. like Antipas..the faithful witness mentioned in Rev. 2:13

When Antipas was advised:
"Antipas, the whole world is against you!",
Antipas reputedly replied:
"Then I am against the whole world!"
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is your avatar a tarot card? please, no voodoo or Prozac, I'm begging you. It has destroyed a nation already. I implore you sir, not deception through symbols and double speak. Not the bi-polar insertions.
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I think it means although you still love people,you cannot lose who you are just because they wan't you to conform to their way of thinking. You have to be yourself,or you feel as though you are living a lie.
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I released all my attachments,trying to please others. Because you never will. like Antipas..the faithful witness mentioned in Rev. 2:13

When Antipas was advised:
"Antipas, the whole world is against you!",
Antipas reputedly replied:
"Then I am against the whole world!"
 Quoting: Newheart


is your avatar a tarot card? please, no voodoo or Prozac, I'm begging you. It has destroyed a nation already. I implore you sir, not deception through symbols and double speak. Not the bi-polar insertions.
damned
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you are trying to make me think your way,in which I will not.
Faithful and Truth
Gabriel&Hope

Faith to me is having left the sanctuaries of men and their theology, and to come out from among them that dance around a golden calf, by the making of their own hands, entrusting completely and without reserve to God within.

James 3:4

Look at the ships also, though they are so great and are driven by strong winds, are still directed by a very small rudder wherever the inclination of the pilot desires.
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it is just a card,and it is happening right now,secretly.
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Faith to me is having left the sanctuaries of men and their theology, and to come out from among them that dance around a golden calf, by the making of their own hands, entrusting completely and without reserve to God within.

James 3:4

Look at the ships also, though they are so great and are driven by strong winds, are still directed by a very small rudder wherever the inclination of the pilot desires.
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I think it means although you still love people,you cannot lose who you are just because they wan't you to conform to their way of thinking. You have to be yourself,or you feel as though you are living a lie.
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Very well spoken and inspiring... Resonates deep with me
Thanks :o)
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How can attachment to somebody be a posion? I understand being attached to things and craving for things/money is posion....But what about love and falling in love..... Or am I missing something?
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I've concluded that it is like having a car, or a house or other material possessions. If one day they are taken away from, many people would 'suffer' from their attachment to that particular car or house or whatever.

Buddha took it deeper and saw this embodied within human feelings as well. Say, if a loved one dies, it is the attachment to that loved one that makes you suffer when they are gone.

Attachment is one of the causes of suffering.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Why would anyone try to overcome attachement to the most loved ones? Its impossible unless you stomp on your emotions.

Imo being attached to human beings you love so much is not wrong. Letting go these attachments also means stop caring/loving them when they are still alive so that you don't suffer later on?.... Thats how I see it.

Or is there still something that I am missing? Without love (this also means being attached to someone) there is no reason to live...
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You're right of course. Even Marpa (rumored advanced teacher) had tremendous grief when his son died. About the grief he replied that it was the biggest illusion of all.

I don't see the point of struggling with your mind over things like this. Or, forcing some ideal concept of detachment against what arises from your heart and stomping it with concept war against yourself.
When a person is practiced or realized enough then you might grow into the concept after the fact.
We have enough we torture ourselves about.

Most ungentle to try this at home.
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That is the area of Buddhism that I always had trouble with as well. I've concluded that it all must be balanced.

When Buddha left his home, he had responsibilities to his family, including a wife and son. And yet, he left it all. To me, and maybe it is just part of this day and age, but that is awful. Supposedly the seekers then were highly revered and respected. So maybe his family viewed it that way as well when he left to find Nirvana, and it wasn't as bad as it sounds nowadays.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


yes - a very good discussion.

Let me add this thought from Thomas Merton that I think relates to love and attachment

“The beginning of love is to let those we love be perfectly themselves, and not to twist them to fit our own image. Otherwise we love only the reflection of ourselves we find in them.”

To me this is a non-clinging, ungrasping expression of love.
 Quoting: Life and Love


I agree but I am searching for different answer. How can you not be attached to someone you love? I think it's not possible unless you are egoistic and stomping your emotions thus meaning you dont really love them. You cant love someone and not be hurt when they go...I just can see that happening.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36430867


Totally agree.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Let me ramble a little bit...

Yesterday was my 40th wedding anniversary. We have fewer years ahead than we have already had. One day, one of us will pass on, and the other will grieve. There will be a sense of loss, and a sense of loss implies attachment. There are also a few others with whom I am tightly connected, and the same thing is true with them: the end of the relationship will cause me to grieve.

But I don't think it will be the type of attachment expressed by "I can't live without you." I don't feel as if I will become attached to the grief itself.
We become like that to which we are devoted. Choose wisely.
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To whoever gave me the "Trying to look wise by qouting Buddhist scriptures, Ricky Retardo? :o",

lmao

Quoting 'scripture' as you call it doesn't make one wise. So, that wasn't my intention at all. Exploration of the topic is why I post threads.

That was funny though. ;)
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I released all my attachments,trying to please others. Because you never will. like Antipas..the faithful witness mentioned in Rev. 2:13

When Antipas was advised:
"Antipas, the whole world is against you!",
Antipas reputedly replied:
"Then I am against the whole world!"
 Quoting: Newheart


is your avatar a tarot card? please, no voodoo or Prozac, I'm begging you. It has destroyed a nation already. I implore you sir, not deception through symbols and double speak. Not the bi-polar insertions.
damned
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I almost forgot about you too, but here's the shorter version just for you dickhead!

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yes - a very good discussion.

Let me add this thought from Thomas Merton that I think relates to love and attachment

“The beginning of love is to let those we love be perfectly themselves, and not to twist them to fit our own image. Otherwise we love only the reflection of ourselves we find in them.”

To me this is a non-clinging, ungrasping expression of love.
 Quoting: Life and Love


I agree but I am searching for different answer. How can you not be attached to someone you love? I think it's not possible unless you are egoistic and stomping your emotions thus meaning you dont really love them. You cant love someone and not be hurt when they go...I just can see that happening.
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Totally agree.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Let me ramble a little bit...

Yesterday was my 40th wedding anniversary. We have fewer years ahead than we have already had. One day, one of us will pass on, and the other will grieve. There will be a sense of loss, and a sense of loss implies attachment. There are also a few others with whom I am tightly connected, and the same thing is true with them: the end of the relationship will cause me to grieve.

But I don't think it will be the type of attachment expressed by "I can't live without you." I don't feel as if I will become attached to the grief itself.
 Quoting: Life and Love


Wow congratulation on your anniversary! I will have my 6th (not married yet) anniversary with my girl next month :) But "the truth" in this thread says that you have to overcome this so you don't suffer. And this statement collides pretty hard with my thinking. "Suffering" when losing someone is the expression that you truly loved them.

I don't even think it is mean to be overcome.
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Truth...as I have and still are experiencing for myself...
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nice thread Sep!
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Look at the ships also, though they are so great and are driven by strong winds, are still directed by a very small rudder wherever the inclination of the pilot desires.
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I agree but I am searching for different answer. How can you not be attached to someone you love? I think it's not possible unless you are egoistic and stomping your emotions thus meaning you dont really love them. You cant love someone and not be hurt when they go...I just can see that happening.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36430867


Totally agree.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Let me ramble a little bit...

Yesterday was my 40th wedding anniversary. We have fewer years ahead than we have already had. One day, one of us will pass on, and the other will grieve. There will be a sense of loss, and a sense of loss implies attachment. There are also a few others with whom I am tightly connected, and the same thing is true with them: the end of the relationship will cause me to grieve.

But I don't think it will be the type of attachment expressed by "I can't live without you." I don't feel as if I will become attached to the grief itself.
 Quoting: Life and Love


Wow congratulation on your anniversary! I will have my 6th (not married yet) anniversary with my girl next month :) But "the truth" in this thread says that you have to overcome this so you don't suffer. And this statement collides pretty hard with my thinking. "Suffering" when losing someone is the expression that you truly loved them.

I don't even think it is mean to be overcome.
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That is why I said 'balanced' earlier in the thread. I think the grieving must be balanced in your life, in this example. In other words, you don't let the grief take control of your entire life. Kind of like learning to live with it.
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Truth...as I have and still are experiencing for myself...
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hi
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nice thread Sep!
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Thanks Newheart.
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Re: The Four Noble Truths - To Live is to Suffer
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yes - a very good discussion.

Let me add this thought from Thomas Merton that I think relates to love and attachment

“The beginning of love is to let those we love be perfectly themselves, and not to twist them to fit our own image. Otherwise we love only the reflection of ourselves we find in them.”

To me this is a non-clinging, ungrasping expression of love.
 Quoting: Life and Love


I agree but I am searching for different answer. How can you not be attached to someone you love? I think it's not possible unless you are egoistic and stomping your emotions thus meaning you dont really love them. You cant love someone and not be hurt when they go...I just can see that happening.
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Totally agree.
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Let me ramble a little bit...

Yesterday was my 40th wedding anniversary. We have fewer years ahead than we have already had. One day, one of us will pass on, and the other will grieve. There will be a sense of loss, and a sense of loss implies attachment. There are also a few others with whom I am tightly connected, and the same thing is true with them: the end of the relationship will cause me to grieve.

But I don't think it will be the type of attachment expressed by "I can't live without you." I don't feel as if I will become attached to the grief itself.
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Isn't this easier to comes to terms with though at your stage of life. With time comes perspective in looking at the inevitable, bla bla. (not demeaning your message though).

Those just starting out in life with young children are in very much a life & deathy mode as supporters and protectors, much much more difficult to come to terms with that.
Yet a person could lose their loved ones, everything in the blink of an eye and it happens every day.

Or, there are people who were abandoned and their new loved ones take on a visceral almost involuntary attachment.
Too much, I'd say then cross that bridge when you can walk across without agony.
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Re: The Four Noble Truths - To Live is to Suffer
One thing i dont understand about this point of view is which does not consider the souls as individuals, i'm not saying separate from "god", but this way the main objective of the life loses the sense, why i have to interact, love, learn and envolve, if everything is just myself, and myself is just nothing.
I think, seems a coward atittude to want to leave of the cicle of reincarnations, but i understand who seek for it, because many times i already feel like this.

Mahamrityunjaya mantra is good for who wish that.

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