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The Four Noble Truths - To Live is to Suffer

 
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From my perspective I view the term 'attachment' to signify seeking your identity in someone else or something else. If you define yourself by something that is external to you, and we know that every physical 'form' in this physical world is impermanent, then you would therefore stand to lose an element of your identity when these 'forms' inevitably fall away or cease to be physically present. This is what leads to the 'suffering'. If you internalize external 'things' to form your identity, when these things change form or cease to exist (on this plane), you feel like you are losing an element of yourself, and it hurts.

Example: If you don't accept or love yourself, and have a lacking inside - you may look to supplement these feelings of depravity by seeking out the love of a significant other in the form of a relationship. Things may be going great for you, and you may relish the love and acceptance that you feel from this significant other - but what happens if this individual decides to leave you, or god forbid passes away? Do you then automatically lose those feelings of love & acceptance that you identified with? Do you then lose an element of yourself or your identity and feel incomplete again? That is the inherent danger in seeking or finding 'wholeness' in someone else or something that is external to you.

You cannot control the existence of these 'things' that are external to you. Your wife or husband can leave you, your fancy sports car can get in a wreck, your mansion can burn down, your good looks can become disfigured in a horrible accident. If you seek an identity in these things you stand to lose an element of your identity when they cease to exist.

Now all this being said... I think the lesson is to find WHOLENESS and COMPLETENESS within yourself - and when I say 'yourself', I mean understanding the nature of your own consciousness. To acknowledge that you have everything you need just by the nature of your very infinite existence. You are complete & whole just as you are, with no need to define your identity with any external attachment to anyone or anything. When you come to this realization, you will end the suffering that is created by your physical mind (brain).

What often gets lost in this understanding is that it does not require you to renounce your relationships, it doesn't mean you can't be happily married or that you can't love your children. It just means that you are not using your friendships, your marriage to your significant other, or your children as the basis of forming your own identity - or for making yourself feel whole. Friendships end, marriages end, children grow up - you do not need to lose an element of yourself when this happens if you have arrived at the realization that you are complete and whole just as you are and independent of the status of these friends/significant others/children. When you learn to overcome your suffering, you free yourself and open yourself to love unconditionally and to fully embrace your interactions and experiences that you share with others. The only difference now is that there is not a sense of 'needing' to have these things or these relationships in your life. You can certainly still enjoy them in the present moment (or the NOW), but you do not have that inner need or compulsion for them nor that inner fear of being without them. You can embrace them and enjoy them, but you know that they do not define you and thus, if they were to change form sometime in the future, you ultimately know that you would still be whole & complete just as you exist and always have been. The same applies to how you perceive the perspective of others. They are complete and whole just as they are and do not require you to form their identity.

I think it also ties into perspective. Is your perspective rooted in a physical existence, which we know is impermanent? Or is your perspective rooted in a spiritual existence, which we perceive to be limitless and infinite? Is your physical lifetime here the entire scope of your existence? Or is it a blink of an eye in terms of the larger nature of your existence? The more your perspective is rooted in the physical, the more vulnerable you are to suffering. The more your perspective is rooted in the spiritual, the more immune you are to suffering. I believe that energy never dies, only physical forms 'die'. When I attend a funeral these days, I don't feel any sadness for the individual who passed, but being empathetic I am likely to experience sadness for those who are still alive and suffering from the loss of their loved one. I know though, in my own consciousness, that the individual who passed is just fine, because the physical form is and always has been impermanent, and the true source of our real existence is that which cannot be harmed.

I will say though that I have never formally studied Buddhism so I did not arrive at this understanding from pursuing this ideology or school of thought in a direct sense - only from personal experience and a lifetime's worth suffering.

hf

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This is a buddhist point of view not mine, although I agree with that part.
He was disrespectful with me first so i just returned.
Im no trying do be superior, i just replied, is not for this the forum is?
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Sorry you still don't get it even after I explained at length. And you didn't read or address a single one of my points either. You are explaining a "form" and "tone" of buddhism plus instructions.
That tone and form is not one I ascribe to. Just as the bible can be called an external mask people wear to control their world,
the same is done with buddhism or some bargaining chip with the great WOW.
You can use it for points or you can work for it because you don't enjoy living in a state of drunken elephanthood.
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Pls look at the first post i directed to you Nº 36733349
You said you dont want return to this life again, in a reply to another user who said the life can be good.

So i answered you what is necessary to not return, according with the buddhists beliefs.
And i started this answer with the word, SUPPOSEDLY, and you just told me to shut up.
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I answered you spoke of a Form of buddhism to which I don't ascribe and why.
Your Form is not all forms of approach. It just isn't.
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I'm tired of this discussion, my mistake was in adress the post to you, i'm sorry.

Can not be the only buddhism way to escape of the Samsara, but is most common,
if you think im wrong in some part of what i said, so lets argue inside of the main subject.

Because it is not enough understand that we do not exist (if),
and is just buddha consciousness reflecting the universe,
we're still stuck because we have karma to pay, law of the cause and effect,
again: with suffering till understand what we did wrong and change it.
And/or alleviating the suffering of others, with charity but not necessarily in a materialistic way.

And losing our attachments, which in materialistic way seems relatively easy,
but when hits the people we love, this is the problem.
To a monk living on the monastery in the mountains, which was raised by the other monks with training,
i s one thing, but to us is totaly different.

I guess the only part i can be litle out of context is the Hindu mantra which i added,
but i knew, look on the translation, is about get out of the reincarnation circle.
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From my perspective I view the term 'attachment' to signify seeking your identity in someone else or something else. If you define yourself by something that is exterior to you, and we know that every physical 'form' in this physical world is impermanent, then you would therefore stand to lose an element of your identity when these 'forms' inevitably fall away or cease to be physically present. This is what leads to the 'suffering'. If you internalize external 'things' to form your identity, when these things change form or cease to exist (on this plane), you feel like you are losing an element of yourself, and it hurts.

Example: If you don't accept or love yourself, and have a lacking inside - you may look to supplement these feelings of depravity by seeking out the love of a significant other in the form of a relationship. Things may be going great for you, and you may relish the love and acceptance that you feel from this significant other - but what happens if this individual decides to leave you, or god forbid passes away? Do you then automatically lose those feelings of love & acceptance that you identified with? Do you then lose an element of yourself or your identity and feel incomplete again? That is the inherent danger in seeking or finding 'wholeness' in someone else or something that is external to you.

You cannot control the existence of these 'things' that are external to you. Your wife or husband can leave you, your fancy sports car can get in a wreck, your mansion can burn down, your good looks can become disfigured in a horrible accident. If you seek an identity in these things you stand to lose an element of your identity when they cease to exist.

Now all this being said... I think the lesson is to find WHOLENESS and COMPLETENESS within yourself - and when I say 'yourself', I mean understanding the nature of your own consciousness. To acknowledge that you have everything you need just by the nature of your very infinite existence. You are complete & whole just as you are, with no need to define your identity with any external attachment to anyone or anything. When you come to this realization, you will end the suffering that is created by your physical mind (brain).

What often gets lost in this understanding is that it does not require you to renounce your relationships, it doesn't mean you can't be happily married or that you can't love your children. It just means that you are not using your friendships, your marriage to your significant other, or your children as the basis of forming your own identity - or for making yourself feel whole. Friendships end, marriages end, children grow up - you do not need to lose an element of yourself when this happens when you arrive at the realization that you are complete and whole just as you are and independent of the status of these friends/ wives/husbands/children. When you stop your suffering, you free yourself to love unconditionally and to full embrace your interactions and experiences that you share with others. The only difference now is that there is not a sense of 'needing' to have these things or these relationships in your life. You can certainly still enjoy them in the present moment or the NOW, but you do not have that inner need or compulsion for them nor that fear of being without them. You can embrace them and enjoy them, but you know that they do not define you and thus, if they were to change form sometime in the future, you ultimately know that you would still be whole & complete just as you exist and always have been.

I think it also ties into perspective. Is your perspective rooted in a physical existence, which we know is impermanent? Or is your perspective rooted in a spiritual existence, which we perceive to be limitless and infinite? Is your physical lifetime here the entire scope of your existence? Or is it a blink of an eye in terms of the larger nature of your existence? The more your perspective is rooted in the physical, the more vulnerable you are to suffering. The more your perspective is rooted in the spiritual, the more immune you are to suffering. I believe that energy never dies, only physical forms 'die'. When I attend a funeral these days, I don't feel any sadness for the individual who passed, but being empathetic I am likely to experience sadness for those who are still alive and suffering from the loss of their loved one. I know though, in my own consciousness, that the individual who passed is just fine, because the physical form is and always has been impermanent, and that the source of our real existence is that which cannot be harmed.

I will say though that I have never formally studied Buddhism so I did not arrive at this understanding from pursuing this ideology or school of thought in a direct sense - only from personal experience and a lifetime's worth suffering.

hf
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Anhedonic, this is one of the tougher concepts for many to wrap their minds around yet yours is one of the most appropriate definitions of attachment (and the resultant suffering) that I have come across. You are with understanding and gifted with expression :)

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"It is the middle way between the two extremes of excessive self-indulgence (hedonism) and excessive self-mortification (asceticism); and it leads to the end of the cycle of rebirth."

Desire (both in Negative and Positive form) is the root of Karma
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But Karma is the root of a rigged system, sooo???
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WWBD, What Would Buddha Do :-)... if he knew, that there was the 'mind control'........

Did they have mind control, back then? The 'Tibetan Book of the Dead', suggests so. They Astral was certainly rigged and they figured that out.......sighhhhhhhhhhhhh.
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theres always been mind control.
most of your opinions are result of mind control.
you think its ur opinion but actually it is just learned or copied behaviour pattern.
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Fuck that fat bastard Buddha.
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actually that exactly what buddha did - he found out about mind control.

example cant be clearer: his father cared for him and didnt want him to be "unhappy" he didnt want B. to see poverty. so he created a world for B. were everything was perfect. that is mind control.
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i think buddha would hang more with Robert Monroe type of guys if he would be here now.
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The OBE/Astral Travel author? I found his writing style to be like nails on a chalkboard... I have no doubt that he knows of what he speaks of but his writing style & delivery I found to be inadequate and ineffective. He would have benefitted from employing the services of a co-writer/author.
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he had problems with publishing it. he was forced to change texts not to reveal everything. he was under strict surveillance and control. many students of his institute has confirmed heavy alien activity around institute.
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i think buddha would hang more with Robert Monroe type of guys if he would be here now.
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The OBE/Astral Travel author? I found his writing style to be like nails on a chalkboard... I have no doubt that he knows of what he speaks of but his writing style & delivery I found to be inadequate and ineffective. He would have benefitted from employing the services of a co-writer/author.
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he had problems with publishing it. he was forced to change texts not to reveal everything. he was under strict surveillance and control. many students of his institute has confirmed heavy alien activity around institute.
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Interesting... Thanks for the additional info... I read 'Far Journeys'... What I most struggled with was his made-up terminology that he used to describe his experiences... All these unique/unusual adjectives/verbs that he had to provide a glossary for at the beginning of two chapters. It interfered with my ability to understand exactly what he was trying to describe because I would have to pause and revert back to the glossary and it just ruined the flow of the book for me. The Question & Answer format at the end of the book about OBE's was very informative and well-written. He he written an entire book in that writing style & format - I woud have enjoyed it!

I had also picked up 'Ultimate Journey' but decided not to read it as I learned from reviews he utilized the same writing technique of his specialized terminology (found that to be a turn-off). I donated both books to my local library. Maybe someone else will make good use of them.

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he created his own terms for exploring astral.
numbered the states. i think its very logical.
btw i would suggest you to read Matrix V golden edition if you really want to understand ... everything.
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The correct form of action is inaction. Sorry but I haven't read the entire thread. When there is inaction there are no attachments no matter what. There is a sublime state of mind. What may cause someone to change from such state of awareness? The assumption of attachments. If you fall from that state is it difficult to go back into nothingness?
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The correct form of action is inaction. Sorry but I haven't read the entire thread. When there is inaction there are no attachments no matter what. There is a sublime state of mind. What may cause someone to change from such state of awareness? The assumption of attachments. If you fall from that state is it difficult to go back into nothingness?
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A few thoughts on this, for what it's worth. That the word "Karma" means simply, action..not bad nor good. Still there remains a goodness as part of the way things are.
Maybe having some immunity, rising above (below or sideways it doesn't matter) the Collective which is constantly tugging at us to join in with that kind of confusion and unnecessary concepts and complications...but you're still using your basis of simplicity, discovering you don't need salt in your soup, removing entertainments and distractions so you can feel subtleties and find your heart opens warmly and there is wonderful expansion and aliveness including the way sound travels so playfully.
I love what Pope Francis had to say today..
"Don't be afraid of goodness" :D
Indeed, mercy. Mercy. How could anyone not have mercy.

The slippery slope is can you relinquish the concept of something being all good or all bad. To do something that brings relief to a situation without self reference like snorting good feeling, claiming it as some kind of personal property or heroism, or doing it because then you'll have a place in heaven or generating good karma for yourself.
You simply do what needs to be done EFFORTLESSLY and then let the result go as well as reliving or self-congratulations, or requiring others believe something to pad your self image. You release like freeing a bird.
You do the same for yourself following your breath out.

I know for certain the experience of nothingness is not what our mind thinks it is as a wan flat disappointment.
Wading into the waters discover how much more that is and can go deeper into it.

The times I have "lost my awareness" are two-fold, one is buying into phenomena and not practicing and riding the tiger.
Just to diffuse pressure this is process, to understand where or how you got hooked into losing awareness.
It's said you can "fall into the lower realms" by buying into the collective and getting lost for awhile in emotional mental gossip, or time-consuming Cameos of hellish experience from one small act :D
Call it firsthand self knowledge.
Then one goes back to discipline again with a sense of relief. And sometimes there are periods when you just can't do it and you have to just 'go through' some stuff like everybody else.
So there is a part of it you don't lose. You can simply resume where you left off and experience the process without judgement or being angry with oneself.
Let me know if you can relate to this, that would be good.:)
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You should check out the book Rebel Buddha - I loved it. Easily understood Buddhism in modern, western terms. By Dzogchen Ponlop Rinpoche

[link to www.amazon.com]

The website/blog: [link to www.rebelbuddha.com]

The audiobook is awesome peace
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You should check out the book Rebel Buddha - I loved it. Easily understood Buddhism in modern, western terms. By Dzogchen Ponlop Rinpoche

[link to www.amazon.com]

The website/blog: [link to www.rebelbuddha.com]

The audiobook is awesome peace
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Audiobook may be an option. My reading list is insane.
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You should check out the book Rebel Buddha - I loved it. Easily understood Buddhism in modern, western terms. By Dzogchen Ponlop Rinpoche

[link to www.amazon.com]

The website/blog: [link to www.rebelbuddha.com]

The audiobook is awesome peace
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Audiobook may be an option. My reading list is insane.
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I hear that! I have a bunch of books I can't find time to read - I drive a lot so 95% of my 'reading' is audiobooks.
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You should check out the book Rebel Buddha - I loved it. Easily understood Buddhism in modern, western terms. By Dzogchen Ponlop Rinpoche

[link to www.amazon.com]

The website/blog: [link to www.rebelbuddha.com]

The audiobook is awesome peace
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That looks like an interesting read.... Do you suppose it may be less appealing to a reader that may have already experienced a 'shift' in perception? Only reason I ask is that many books about consciousness are designed or intended to guide or help steer a reader to having that experience....

As you guys have already commented, it's tough to get through new books when there are already quite a bunch on the 'to read list'. I think it's true what people are saying how it feels like there is much less time to get things done each day then there once was... How the passage of time feels more condensed....

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You should check out the book Rebel Buddha - I loved it. Easily understood Buddhism in modern, western terms. By Dzogchen Ponlop Rinpoche

[link to www.amazon.com]

The website/blog: [link to www.rebelbuddha.com]

The audiobook is awesome peace
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That looks like an interesting read.... Do you suppose it may be less appealing to a reader that may have already experienced a 'shift' in perception? Only reason I ask is that many books about consciousness are designed or intended to guide or help steer a reader to having that experience....

As you guys have already commented, it's tough to get through new books when there are already quite a bunch on the 'to read list'. I think it's true what people are saying how it feels like there is much less time to get things done each day then there once was... How the passage of time feels more condensed....
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I'd say that if you are well versed in Buddhism and the teachings of Buddha, you may not get the benefit I did, but it is focused on Buddhism in the West, how it has grown and 'evolved' here. The author has lived in NYC and in bigger cities for most of his life but has studied in the East.

The reader of the audiobook I thought was superb. Here's the blog's summary:

Rebel Buddha: On the Road to Freedom
by Dzogchen Ponlop

There’s a rebel within you. It’s the part of you that already knows how to break free of fear and unhappiness. This rebel is the voice of your own awakened mind. It’s your rebel buddha—the sharp, clear intelligence that resists the status quo. It wakes you up from the sleepy acceptance of your day-to-day reality and shows you the power of your enlightened nature. It’s the vibrant, insightful energy that compels you to seek the truth.

Dzogchen Ponlop guides you through the inner revolution that comes from unleashing your rebel buddha. He explains how, by training your mind and understanding your true nature, you can free yourself from needless suffering. He presents a thorough introduction to the essence of the Buddha’s teachings and argues that, if we are to bring these teachings fully into our personal experience, we must go beyond the cultural trappings of traditional Asian Buddhism. “We all want to find some meaningful truth about who we are,” he says, “but we can only find it guided by our own wisdom—by our own rebel buddha within.”

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I'd say that if you are well versed in Buddhism and the teachings of Buddha, you may not get the benefit I did, but it is focused on Buddhism in the West, how it has grown and 'evolved' here. The author has lived in NYC and in bigger cities for most of his life but has studied in the East.

The reader of the audiobook I thought was superb. Here's the blog's summary:

Rebel Buddha: On the Road to Freedom
by Dzogchen Ponlop

There’s a rebel within you. It’s the part of you that already knows how to break free of fear and unhappiness. This rebel is the voice of your own awakened mind. It’s your rebel buddha—the sharp, clear intelligence that resists the status quo. It wakes you up from the sleepy acceptance of your day-to-day reality and shows you the power of your enlightened nature. It’s the vibrant, insightful energy that compels you to seek the truth.

Dzogchen Ponlop guides you through the inner revolution that comes from unleashing your rebel buddha. He explains how, by training your mind and understanding your true nature, you can free yourself from needless suffering. He presents a thorough introduction to the essence of the Buddha’s teachings and argues that, if we are to bring these teachings fully into our personal experience, we must go beyond the cultural trappings of traditional Asian Buddhism. “We all want to find some meaningful truth about who we are,” he says, “but we can only find it guided by our own wisdom—by our own rebel buddha within.”
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Appreciate the extra info. Since I don't think I will be able to get to this book anytime soon, I decided to order it as a gift for someone else. Thanks for the recommendation.

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Nonesense..the root of suffering is YOU how you treat eachother. YOU are a curse to yourselves.
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Everything you touch you destroy. Nature, animals and yourselves.
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Anhedonic, this is one of the tougher concepts for many to wrap their minds around yet yours is one of the most appropriate definitions of attachment (and the resultant suffering) that I have come across. You are with understanding and gifted with expression :)

Kismet
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Thanks for the kind words Kismet... On the surface level I hardly know you, but often your words leave me with the impression of an old, familiar friend. If I ever bug out to Canada I'd love to throw back a couple of brewskies with ya.

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its easy to be pally and friendly most people can do that. Love is an entirely different thing though. Love means to noit think of your wonderful self and to think of others first. Not many can do that.
You are the source of your own misery. No one and nothing can or will save you untill you learn to treat others as you would have them treat you. Since that will never happen on a general scale you have your future written out in stone for yourselves.
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its easy to be pally and friendly most people can do that. Love is an entirely different thing though. Love means to noit think of your wonderful self and to think of others first. Not many can do that.
You are the source of your own misery. No one and nothing can or will save you untill you learn to treat others as you would have them treat you. Since that will never happen on a general scale you have your future written out in stone for yourselves.
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You can never truly love someone without first loving yourself. So, I disagree with you. But, the other stuff, yeah, I agree.
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You use people, you use nature, you use animals, you use God, You blame everything and everyone but yourselves. You expect someone or something to come and save you because you are so worth it. You missed the plot. You were taught how to 2000 years ago. Guess it didnt sink in.
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its easy to be pally and friendly most people can do that. Love is an entirely different thing though. Love means to noit think of your wonderful self and to think of others first. Not many can do that.
You are the source of your own misery. No one and nothing can or will save you untill you learn to treat others as you would have them treat you. Since that will never happen on a general scale you have your future written out in stone for yourselves.
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You can never truly love someone without first loving yourself. So, I disagree with you. But, the other stuff, yeah, I agree.
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Thats nonsence and a ridiculous sound bite. Its the love of self that causes misery. This world is a monument to self. Its dead it just hasnt been buried yet. What killed it the absolute love of Self.
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Re: The Four Noble Truths - To Live is to Suffer
pat yourself on the back and look yourself in the mirror and say how wonderful you are and how everyone OWES YOU SOMETHING..even God
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Re: The Four Noble Truths - To Live is to Suffer
its easy to be pally and friendly most people can do that. Love is an entirely different thing though. Love means to noit think of your wonderful self and to think of others first. Not many can do that.
You are the source of your own misery. No one and nothing can or will save you untill you learn to treat others as you would have them treat you. Since that will never happen on a general scale you have your future written out in stone for yourselves.
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You can never truly love someone without first loving yourself. So, I disagree with you. But, the other stuff, yeah, I agree.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Thats nonsence and a ridiculous sound bite. Its the love of self that causes misery. This world is a monument to self. Its dead it just hasnt been buried yet. What killed it the absolute love of Self.
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You are confusing 'love of ego' with the type of love that implies 'acceptance' of oneself.... OP is talking about the latter... Two very different concepts.

"You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger"
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tell yourself how you are excused for treating others like shit because you are a bit upset

because you come first..it was always about you

like the add said..remember YOU ARE WORTH IT!
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Re: The Four Noble Truths - To Live is to Suffer
its easy to be pally and friendly most people can do that. Love is an entirely different thing though. Love means to noit think of your wonderful self and to think of others first. Not many can do that.
You are the source of your own misery. No one and nothing can or will save you untill you learn to treat others as you would have them treat you. Since that will never happen on a general scale you have your future written out in stone for yourselves.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36486956


You can never truly love someone without first loving yourself. So, I disagree with you. But, the other stuff, yeah, I agree.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Thats nonsence and a ridiculous sound bite. Its the love of self that causes misery. This world is a monument to self. Its dead it just hasnt been buried yet. What killed it the absolute love of Self.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36486956


You are confusing 'love of ego' with the type of love that implies 'acceptance' of oneself.... OP is talking about the latter... Two very different concepts.
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


acceptance of oneself? You mean not trying to improve in order to make others peoples life a bit happier? As in I come first?

Thats the source of misery on this planet

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