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The Four Noble Truths - To Live is to Suffer

 
ANHEDONIC

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acceptance of oneself? You mean not trying to improve in order to make others peoples life a bit happier? As in I come first?

Thats the source of misery on this planet
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Acceptance does not imply complacency! It's about being comfortable in your own skin. Try again.

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its easy to be pally and friendly most people can do that. Love is an entirely different thing though. Love means to noit think of your wonderful self and to think of others first. Not many can do that.
You are the source of your own misery. No one and nothing can or will save you untill you learn to treat others as you would have them treat you. Since that will never happen on a general scale you have your future written out in stone for yourselves.
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You can never truly love someone without first loving yourself. So, I disagree with you. But, the other stuff, yeah, I agree.
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Thats nonsence and a ridiculous sound bite. Its the love of self that causes misery. This world is a monument to self. Its dead it just hasnt been buried yet. What killed it the absolute love of Self.
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That's nonsense. You can love yourself so long as ego doesn't get in the way. You can love yourself and still be selfless. Matter of fact, it is easier to be selfless when you love yourself.

Love of self is different from greed, ego, attachments, desire, etc. You are lumping it all together, and are finding error and misery, it seems.

BTW, the world is not dead. It just needs a change.
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acceptance of oneself? You mean not trying to improve in order to make others peoples life a bit happier? As in I come first?

Thats the source of misery on this planet
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36486956


Acceptance does not imply complacency! It's about being comfortable in your own skin. Try again.
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


Since no one is perfect ..being comfortable implies not striving to improve to please others, does it not?
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acceptance of oneself? You mean not trying to improve in order to make others peoples life a bit happier? As in I come first?

Thats the source of misery on this planet
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36486956


Acceptance does not imply complacency! It's about being comfortable in your own skin. Try again.
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


Since no one is perfect ..being comfortable implies not striving to improve to please others, does it not?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36486956


No, not at all. Many volunteers are very, very comfortable doing what they do. And they are striving to help others.
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its easy to be pally and friendly most people can do that. Love is an entirely different thing though. Love means to noit think of your wonderful self and to think of others first. Not many can do that.
You are the source of your own misery. No one and nothing can or will save you untill you learn to treat others as you would have them treat you. Since that will never happen on a general scale you have your future written out in stone for yourselves.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36486956


You can never truly love someone without first loving yourself. So, I disagree with you. But, the other stuff, yeah, I agree.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Thats nonsence and a ridiculous sound bite. Its the love of self that causes misery. This world is a monument to self. Its dead it just hasnt been buried yet. What killed it the absolute love of Self.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36486956


That's nonsense. You can love yourself so long as ego doesn't get in the way. You can love yourself and still be selfless. Matter of fact, it is easier to be selfless when you love yourself.

Love of self is different from greed, ego, attachments, desire, etc. You are lumping it all together, and are finding error and misery, it seems.

BTW, the world is not dead. It just needs a change.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


You are very wrong in most most humble opinion the world of man is dead. Judgment has been passed. Its just not buried yet.
There is no future for the world of man in my opinion. None.Not even its memory will remain. As if it has never existed ever.
Ego has not served any purpose except self delusion and wasting time which could have been used in service to God and betterment of this planet, if only through sincere prayer.
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You do understand what Judgment is dont you? Judgment is not change. Judgment is whiping the slate clean.
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You can never truly love someone without first loving yourself. So, I disagree with you. But, the other stuff, yeah, I agree.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Thats nonsence and a ridiculous sound bite. Its the love of self that causes misery. This world is a monument to self. Its dead it just hasnt been buried yet. What killed it the absolute love of Self.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36486956


That's nonsense. You can love yourself so long as ego doesn't get in the way. You can love yourself and still be selfless. Matter of fact, it is easier to be selfless when you love yourself.

Love of self is different from greed, ego, attachments, desire, etc. You are lumping it all together, and are finding error and misery, it seems.

BTW, the world is not dead. It just needs a change.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


You are very wrong in most most humble opinion the world of man is dead. Judgment has been passed. Its just not buried yet.
There is no future for the world of man in my opinion. None.Not even its memory will remain. As if it has never existed ever.
Ego has not served any purpose except self delusion and wasting time which could have been used in service to God and betterment of this planet, if only through sincere prayer.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36486956


Well, perhaps you feel your world is dead. But mine is very much alive, I can promise you that.

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You do understand what Judgment is dont you? Judgment is not change. Judgment is whiping the slate clean.
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So, who is judging us?
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You do understand what Judgment is dont you? Judgment is not change. Judgment is whiping the slate clean.
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So, who is judging us?
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The Creator
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Buddhism is one of the pernicious and evil of all religions. Its doctrines of passivity and detachment has lead to BY FAR the largest genocides in recorded history.

The Chinamen used to kill each other by the hundreds of millions. It leads to an certain acceptance of death of others and a permissiveness to killing.

I mean even Atheist Stalin and Mao had trouble keeping up with those numbers!
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acceptance of oneself? You mean not trying to improve in order to make others peoples life a bit happier? As in I come first?

Thats the source of misery on this planet
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36486956


Acceptance does not imply complacency! It's about being comfortable in your own skin. Try again.
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


Since no one is perfect ..being comfortable implies not striving to improve to please others, does it not?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36486956


Why would accepting yourself (as well as your faults/shortcommings) imply that you no longer seek to improve yourself? I see it as being humble and honest with yourself. If you hide from the truth you hinder your own growth - so you can accept what is, and then choose to move forward.

For some reason you are polarizing these ideas/notions when they are not designed to be interpretted in that matter. Try extending some common sense to these ideas instead of taking things to their extremes.

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Arrogance can some it all up.
Arrogance and ingratitude. That is the epitaph of the world of man.
Life and Love

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03/19/2013 03:43 PM
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acceptance of oneself? You mean not trying to improve in order to make others peoples life a bit happier? As in I come first?

Thats the source of misery on this planet
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36486956


Acceptance does not imply complacency! It's about being comfortable in your own skin. Try again.
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


Since no one is perfect ..being comfortable implies not striving to improve to please others, does it not?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36486956


There is a big difference between contentment and complacency, as well as between stillness and stuckness.
We become like that to which we are devoted. Choose wisely.
Life and Love

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You do understand what Judgment is dont you? Judgment is not change. Judgment is wiping the slate clean.
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So, who is judging us?
 Quoting: Septenary Man


The Creator
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Who is also loving us. One of our toughest tasks is learning to open up to receive love, whether from the Creator or from each other. I believe it is far more difficult to receive love than it is to give it.
We become like that to which we are devoted. Choose wisely.
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You do understand what Judgment is dont you? Judgment is not change. Judgment is wiping the slate clean.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36486956


So, who is judging us?
 Quoting: Septenary Man


The Creator
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36486956


Who is also loving us. One of our toughest tasks is learning to open up to receive love, whether from the Creator or from each other. I believe it is far more difficult to receive love than it is to give it.
 Quoting: Life and Love


You've made two very good points. This, and the one above.
-- EK
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Arrogance can some it all up.
Arrogance and ingratitude. That is the epitaph of the world of man.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36486956


You judge the world by the mark you leave upon it. You are the one bringing arrogance into this thread lately by judging the entire world. You are the one being ungrateful by ignoring the testaments that speak to the contrary of your assessment.

To change the world, change oneself.
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Anhedonic, this is one of the tougher concepts for many to wrap their minds around yet yours is one of the most appropriate definitions of attachment (and the resultant suffering) that I have come across. You are with understanding and gifted with expression :)

Kismet
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Thanks for the kind words Kismet... On the surface level I hardly know you, but often your words leave me with the impression of an old, familiar friend. If I ever bug out to Canada I'd love to throw back a couple of brewskies with ya.

dasbier
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


Same here :) I've noticed over time that we often tend to the same threads... and on occasion, if I don't see a post from you, I'll search for you.... it's kinda like walking into a coffee shop and looking around for my buddy. On some level, there's a definite familiarity... a feeling of kinship that's hard to explain. When I read your posts, its like "dude just took the words right outta my mouth!"

Kismet

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