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The Internet Could Crash - WE NEED A BACKUP PLAN

 
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Keep hating!
 Quoting: DontBeAfraidEVER


Oh right because wanting global worldwide comms that's independent of the current system is HATING!??!

AHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH KEEP MAKING ME FUCKING LAUGH.

 Quoting: Mister Obvious


Why didnt you respond to what i wrote and why did you take only the last sentence i wrote and responded to that?

With hating i mean that people like you, who go around angry, and diss other people in the same movement is really whats holding us back. We argue among ourselves, when we should raise our angers towards the ''enemy'', and not our friends.

And if you really dont think we humans can communicate without the internet, then i really dont know what to say.

What do you think we did before the internet came?

What do you think would be best?

100 people meeting up in real life discussing problems or 100 people meeting up in a chatroom?

Dont you see the difference?


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we need organic and biological modules. Feed them good and in return will deliver vast amounts of knowledge. Tortoise shell hubs have great but tend to be slow. In all seriousness though this is a great idea
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no, I don't need a robot or a bio imposter unit that scares the hell out of me because it's dying with every breath I take. I need to be a spiritual eagle and fly fly away



and if MO is the chick in her avatar, I would take that shit along. cigarettes and all.
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hot mo. I think think this whole thread is really mo wanting to do a cam for us without family and friends on the regular net seeing. You gotta stay on topic bro. Somehow.
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As long as this website continues to use it's content to secure profit, it is part of the pervasive problem pandering non-philanthropic usage of resources you are portraying as wanting to fix.

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Your post just amuses me to no end...

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Go ahead and start saving threads...

It's all free.

What a fabrication you're trying to spin here...

So odd you would stand in the face of fact and try to make up lies.

No, our DB is free, and it is uncensored...

So feel free to do as I have done and spend thousands of hours of your life saving it.
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:thyrtyyyr555:

If GLP goes down, I'll be at BackyardChicken.com

If the internet goes down I'll be in the backyard with my chickens.

You may reach me by coming to the gate, or waiting for a communication through meditation.
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How about we all get a pigeon, write our account names on them and start thread that way?
AC's would get crows though.
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octopus got it all. Good memory. Cables and even ink to print that shit.
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What do you think would be best?

100 people meeting up in real life discussing problems or 100 people meeting up in a chatroom?

Dont you see the difference?
 Quoting: DontBeAfraidEVER




I think NUMBERS WIN.


What is best for planet earth?


You meeting up with 10 of your close friends in Oklahoma...


Or you sitting in a chatroom with a hundred or so brilliant minds from all around the globe?


Even arguing the point is humorous.
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Communication has never been free.
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Oh well let's not strive to make it free, or make a new way or anything...


After all that's what leaders, free-thinkers, and world-shaping people do.
 Quoting: Mister Obvious


i'm with you OP! these zombies defend scarcity economics and big pharma bibs.
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I am sick of this...


Putting ALL our eggs in one basket and then pampering our asses with fancy lotions and TOTALLY IGNORING THE DISASTER that will come of this, BECAUSE OF OUR DEPENDENCE AND IGNORANCE.


We can't tolerate this anymore...


IF we give a fuck about communicating with one another that is.


Oh, never want to talk to a global audience raw and unfettered again? WELL YOU'RE GONNA FUCKING LOVE THE NEW PARADIGM!!!


But what do I say? I SAY FUCK THAT.


MOLD A NEW VISION.
 Quoting: Mister Obvious


Right now generators, powered by wind, solar or fuel, and ham radio is the only thing I can think of...great thread!
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Web crash!!! Serious ZOMBIE apocalypse!!! I shit you not. People will flip the fuck out!!!!!
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i've been planting soup cans connected with strings all over this great nation.

finally they will come to use.

dont fret, i got this.
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lol
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I'm surprised tptb haven't taken it down already>maybe they're still making their lists and checking them twice.bump
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Communication has never been free.
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Oh well let's not strive to make it free, or make a new way or anything...


After all that's what leaders, free-thinkers, and world-shaping people do.
 Quoting: Mister Obvious


OBL being one of them?

Look I like the idea.But I am a realist.I know that we will not be allowed what you seek.Not forever,but for a long time.

Our freedoms are illusions granted to us by our owners to keep us occupied while they determine what happens.
`give unto Ceasar what is Ceasars` and that bastard owns alot. They will not allow any form of uncontrolled dialogue.
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If the internet crashes it would mean one thing and one thing only.... DOOM ON!!rockon
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What do you think would be best?

100 people meeting up in real life discussing problems or 100 people meeting up in a chatroom?

Dont you see the difference?
 Quoting: DontBeAfraidEVER




I think NUMBERS WIN.


What is best for planet earth?


You meeting up with 10 of your close friends in Oklahoma...


Or you sitting in a chatroom with a hundred or so brilliant minds from all around the globe?


Even arguing the point is humorous.
 Quoting: Mister Obvious


I dont think you would call me a sheep if you and me met in real life.

Thats the main problem here.

There is no real connection online, its so ''distant'', but in real life it would be different. When we start solving our problems outside of the internet instead of online then we will start to see change. And REAL unity!

We had all the info we need for a LONG time! This world has been proven crazy a million times. We dont need more proof.

We need people to log the fuck off internet and starting acting their belives in the real world.

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i've been planting soup cans connected with strings all over this great nation.

finally they will come to use.

dont fret, i got this.
 Quoting: Oyster


xD
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Well I live in Alabama and I'm gonna tell ya right now!

I went to a town meeting today! There were about 25 people there! We talked about our children and how they're doing real bad on the soccer team! Oh and the rent is too damn high!

We really got to the bottom of things!












I am from Sweden.

I am from USA.

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I am from Mexico.

I am from Spain.

I am from Iraq.

I am from China.

I am from Russia.

I am from Germany.

I am from Pakistan.

I am from Japan.

I am from North Korea.

I am from South Korea.

I am from Indonesia.

I am from Guam.

I am from Australia.

I am from Austria.

I am from Fiji.

We are together in a chatroom... writing our most sincere, uninhibited thoughts... the problems we see with the world... our solutions.

We want to help you.


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The internet crashing would be the best thing for all of humanity.

Imagine how many people would make real friends and lose weight.

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"What we need is a plan B... there is no plan B right now, there's no clear backup system that we very carefully kept to be independent of the internet . . . what we need is something that doesn't necessarily have the performance of the internet . . . this doesn't need to be a multi-billion dollar government project. It's actually relatively simple to do technically because it can use existing fibers that are in the ground, existing wireless infrastructure. It's basically a matter of deciding to do it."




THANK YOU, Danny Hillis and TEDTalks FOR PUTTING THIS OUT THERE... THE TRUTH. WE NEED A NEW COMMUNICATIVE MEDIUM.


Thread: Thoughts & Theories: A New Internet
 Quoting: Mister Obvious


What do you mean by the internet 'crashing'? The internet is just a bunch of networks connected by mpls and other border routing protocols. If the internet 'crashes' as you say, the ONLY way that could happen is a natural disaster large enough to wipe out all the computer networks connected together by these larger networks (in which case it really doesn't matter), or some weird ass thing our solar system does to us and fucks up how electricity works, or most likely, TPTB will take it down intentionally, but then blame it on something else. And then of course come up with a solution.

As to the idea of staying in contact with all these faceless people that everyone here has become accustomed to... well in absence of internet, you better go meet your neighbors and plan your survival locally.
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Right now generators, powered by wind, solar or fuel, and ham radio is the only thing I can think of...great thread!
 Quoting: Fire Watch



Hey thanks so much, that means a lot to me!!!


I love Nikola Tesla and his work, and look over his writings (precious few) and patents a lot...


And generally think about how horrific it is that the world is in this current state... wires... unnecessary machinery...


And who knows what other amazing things humans can be doing if the knowledge had been utilized.


If anybody out there is unfamiliar with Nikola Tesla, and what his work and journey really was, there are some good films on YouTube... here are a few links starting with my favorite:


[link to www.youtube.com]


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Web crash!!! Serious ZOMBIE apocalypse!!! I shit you not. People will flip the fuck out!!!!!
 Quoting: Chip


Look at hurricane sandy and the gas "shortage"

Had to bring in bring in the national guard to gas stations to keep people from knife fighting because they couldnt wait in turn...

The masses cannot act civil in small scale disaster scenarios...

Yes i know Hurricane Sandy was a pretty big event... That messed up the lives of a LOT of people... But its small scale compared global SHTF...

If people cant behave during hurricane situations...

Imagine the panic of widespread doom...

Glad i live very remote and know how to use a "cross bow" wink

And what MO is saying is correct...

Imagine this... Tomorrow...
A worst case scenario unfolds...

Our civilization is gone... Never will be again! (unless...)

There is 7 billion assholes on Earth...

Fuck it, lets say 3 billion die during whatever in the fuck just brought everything to a screeching halt...

Well after 10 years...out of the 4 billion thats left...
Surely the assholes would have killed each other off... Or died in the intial event... The people thats left are the rebuilders...

Lets say 1 billion rig up generators... Pedal bikes, solar panels, wind mills, whatever...

Well lets guess say i am 1 of that billion...

I know a decent amount of shit.

But i dont know it all... No one does!

If i got a problem and cant figure it out... It would be nice to have a way to access some form of system that puts me in contact with the other billion...

Surely out of the collective... I can solve my problem...

Surely we can rebuild the future... We can tackle the issues as a whole... Not just a small community... But as a planet!

The internet is the greatest invention of mankind.

The ability to type this message and have it exposed to a countless amount of people is priceless! Its something worth preserving.

Imagine the shit that could have been figured out 1000 years ago if those folks had the internet...

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I've been using retroshare for this. I don't know if it's a true backup plan but it has file sharing capabilities, along with chat, and forums of a type. Sort of like usenet.

It's open source, and decentralized.
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What is needed is a voluntary citizen MESH network.

Source: [link to en.wikipedia.org]
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According to Mr. Hillis, it is not that hard a problem to build a backup system.

He mentions it's hard to get people focused on plan B when plan A seems to be working so well.

So the whole point is to get people to truly see how vulnerable the system really and how important it is to have a plan B.

Vint Cerf was in the audience when Mr. Hillis was speaking.

He gave the following response and posed the question, "What can I do to create a communication environment that is even better than the internet?"

Quantum communication?

Vint Cerf: Actually, the Internet's going to be just fine

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Let´s take reality as our backup then

charlie
 Quoting: Artaius San


The reality is if we lose 'instant contact' with one-another then we have no real way to warn, or cooperate with others due to the impending threat, perhaps related to the fall of the net.

Wifi and bluetooth are a great way to rig up networking, locally. Using radio like CB or HAM we can transmit data packets in a way akin to dial-up. We could use this method to link the networks, if there was a coordinated effort. I rather enjoy simple command line interactions. It feels more personal for some reason. Hehehe, and it's great for the Matrix fan in all of us. I'm currently working on getting a BBS type system running on my android phone and I can broadcast a wifi AP for a decent distance. Perhaps this method could be used.

If the net is down because of electricity issues then it's a whole other ballgame, however.
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"What we need is a plan B... there is no plan B right now, there's no clear backup system that we very carefully kept to be independent of the internet . . . what we need is something that doesn't necessarily have the performance of the internet . . . this doesn't need to be a multi-billion dollar government project. It's actually relatively simple to do technically because it can use existing fibers that are in the ground, existing wireless infrastructure. It's basically a matter of deciding to do it."




THANK YOU, Danny Hillis and TEDTalks FOR PUTTING THIS OUT THERE... THE TRUTH. WE NEED A NEW COMMUNICATIVE MEDIUM.


Thread: Thoughts & Theories: A New Internet
 Quoting: Mister Obvious


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Let´s take reality as our backup then

charlie
 Quoting: Artaius San


The reality is if we lose 'instant contact' with one-another then we have no real way to warn, or cooperate with others due to the impending threat, perhaps related to the fall of the net.

Wifi and bluetooth are a great way to rig up networking, locally. Using radio like CB or HAM we can transmit data packets in a way akin to dial-up. We could use this method to link the networks, if there was a coordinated effort. I rather enjoy simple command line interactions. It feels more personal for some reason. Hehehe, and it's great for the Matrix fan in all of us. I'm currently working on getting a BBS type system running on my android phone and I can broadcast a wifi AP for a decent distance. Perhaps this method could be used.

If the net is down because of electricity issues then it's a whole other ballgame, however.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36440313




Yes, this is an excellent post with great points...

But I am not really concerned with global comms as a means of 'warning people' or 'doom' or any such thing...

The knowledge of these things is only a side effect of the original aspect... GLOBAL COMMUNICATION UNINHIBITED.
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He gave the following response and posed the question, "What can I do to create a communication environment that is even better than the internet?"

Quantum communication?
 Quoting: KoFFee_




Indeed, my eventual goal is psychic communications on a global level but...

I'll give you guys time.

The prospect of a 'new internet' is far beyond what even the most educated and brilliant seem to be able to fathom at this point...

Which, once again, was easily solved by Tesla...

Who created first in his mind, then only after that was complete did he set out to physically manifest the product(ions)...




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 Quoting: Mister Obvious


HAM networks, CB...and the old BBS systems.

Most people aware of what is going on have already planned for these options.
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


With HAM radios, 100watts of power (a light bulb), TNC and a little knowledge you can easily communicate with anyone around the world using voice or data packets

There are even free satellites in orbit that you can bounce voice and data off of using HAM gear. ISS has relay and HAM comm gear open for public use
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+1 for HAM Radio communication, packet in VHF for local, and all the various digital modes for HF for Global comms, even good old CW (Morse Code) at high speed works pretty well.

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HAM networks, CB...and the old BBS systems.

Most people aware of what is going on have already planned for these options.
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


^This. I have ham radios and two way radios stashed away in faraday boxes. You never know.
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He gave the following response and posed the question, "What can I do to create a communication environment that is even better than the internet?"

Quantum communication?
 Quoting: KoFFee_




Indeed, my eventual goal is psychic communications on a global level but...

I'll give you guys time.

The prospect of a 'new internet' is far beyond what even the most educated and brilliant seem to be able to fathom at this point...

Which, once again, was easily solved by Tesla...

Who created first in his mind, then only after that was complete did he set out to physically manifest the product(ions)...




banana
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They already invented that. [link to blogs.voanews.com]
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