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The Internet Could Crash - WE NEED A BACKUP PLAN

 
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The video wont play on my side ????
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It will come in eventually, things are not real fast at 300 Baud.
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A bit of history, for those considering the FAX-networks...

The fax machine was invented in France sometime around 1850.. that is not a typo.. 1850..
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i've been planting soup cans connected with strings all over this great nation.

finally they will come to use.

dont fret, i got this.
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You hoping that soup cans will grow and produce more soup cans? WIll they also provide more soup in newly grown soup cans?
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lol
i clicked this topic and BAM no more connection.
had to reset modem.

coincidence? :P
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7611522


Yes, an alpha particle in the ceramic packaging of one of your modem's ICs hit one of its transistors, which switch a bit, which crashed your modem. THat sort of coincidence. A conspiracy of alpha particles..
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Haha well if internet goes down, we would not have any power problems..
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One does wonder how many GigaWatt/hrs is consumed daily now by the internet world wide and over a billion computers using such power.
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Your passion is Awe-some.
What should glptards do to help reconnect to this plan bee?
Is there a unique language that we should learn before reestablishing?
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That will totally fucking suck if it did crash!
There are other ways to communicate with each other.....
but where else can you get a wealth of information and real news other than great sites like this?

The internet has been one of the most useful tools in the truth movement.

Btw MO.....love the new pichf
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Yea, where else can I get 99% bullshit for 1% of real fact?
The Noise to Signal ratio of the Internet is astoundingly large.
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We can help. alien03alien03alien03alien03alien03alien03ROBOTdancealien03alien03lurk
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ham radio packets
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Your passion is Awe-some.
What should glptards do to help reconnect to this plan bee?
Is there a unique language that we should learn before reestablishing?
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Remember, where there is a Bee there is a Bee Queen, and all her drones and worker-slaves.
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We can help. alien03alien03alien03alien03alien03alien03ROBOTdancealien03alien03lurk
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ham radio packets
 Quoting: CE1


Radio assumes there would not be a GigaWatt output power or more of all frequency Radio Jamming...

Use the full output power of a single 1GW nuclear power plant to power a single very large spark gap transmitter, and viola.. massive Radio Jamming across most spectrums.
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isn't this really just laying the groundwork for 'internet 2.0' .. and getting rid of free speech etc. and replacing the wild west internet with something like a closed amount of channels.. similar to how cable tv is ...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5146667


Most modern WiFi has onlyt 13 channels of Radio.. only 13, sorta like the old analog pre UHF TV.. consider this..

Interference of the wifi 'cells'.. of inter-channel interference takes a bit of planning, and of course all would have to abide by the 'rules' of the neighbor cells to avoid such radio interference. I already see this in my 8 neighboring households with mine as a center 9th cell.. my wifi detector software shows that 9 out of the available 13 are busy and in use.. and many of them also have three or four being used on the same wifi channel.

So, yes, the corraling effect is 'defacto' in play already.

If you have a township of say 30,000 people why are there not at least 30,000 radio channels of Wifi? THink Cellular technology and its lay out, the way the towers and cells are arranged and being used, as well as the frequency channel allocations. People Net..

Its all about the AIR WAVES... unless wires are laid down to copy the old telephone systems.. seems like many are wanting to re-invent a 100 year old technology... at least study what was down and how it was down, the science is realatively sound.

THis is not really the makings of Internet v. 2.0.. this is more like Internet by the hundreds per surface area.

So, what do you know. In order to get it all working along and smoothly running and avoiding the sort of channel congestion that happened with CB Radio.. what do you suggest? At some point someone will advise some form of 'inter group' regulations or at least recommendations,, and viola the Home Owners Associations at the least start getting all hot and bothered and form 'governments' and all the politicing is re-invented.

Such is just a matter of time. Because People have not realized where and how Politics started in the world thousands of years ago. It starts with Two people, perhaps, man and woman, and then their children.. then extended families.. the politica starts that early ... go figure.. its pure unadulterated Human Nature.

The bigger question may well be, What is worth communicating vs keeping to yourself?
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[link to www.youtube.com]



"What we need is a plan B... there is no plan B right now, there's no clear backup system that we very carefully kept to be independent of the internet . . . what we need is something that doesn't necessarily have the performance of the internet . . . this doesn't need to be a multi-billion dollar government project. It's actually relatively simple to do technically because it can use existing fibers that are in the ground, existing wireless infrastructure. It's basically a matter of deciding to do it."




THANK YOU, Danny Hillis and TEDTalks FOR PUTTING THIS OUT THERE... THE TRUTH. WE NEED A NEW COMMUNICATIVE MEDIUM.


Thread: Thoughts & Theories: A New Internet
 Quoting: Mister Obvious


Don't re-invent the wheel. It is already underwear my dear.

[link to www.youtube.com]
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[link to www.youtube.com]



"What we need is a plan B... there is no plan B right now, there's no clear backup system that we very carefully kept to be independent of the internet . . . what we need is something that doesn't necessarily have the performance of the internet . . . this doesn't need to be a multi-billion dollar government project. It's actually relatively simple to do technically because it can use existing fibers that are in the ground, existing wireless infrastructure. It's basically a matter of deciding to do it."




THANK YOU, Danny Hillis and TEDTalks FOR PUTTING THIS OUT THERE... THE TRUTH. WE NEED A NEW COMMUNICATIVE MEDIUM.


Thread: Thoughts & Theories: A New Internet
 Quoting: Mister Obvious


Don't re-invent the wheel. It is already under way my dear.


[link to www.youtube.com]
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FIXED
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Your passion is Awe-some.
What should glptards do to help reconnect to this plan bee?
Is there a unique language that we should learn before reestablishing?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20235984


Remember, where there is a Bee there is a Bee Queen, and all her drones and worker-slaves.
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We all have our place.

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[link to www.youtube.com]



"What we need is a plan B... there is no plan B right now, there's no clear backup system that we very carefully kept to be independent of the internet . . . what we need is something that doesn't necessarily have the performance of the internet . . . this doesn't need to be a multi-billion dollar government project. It's actually relatively simple to do technically because it can use existing fibers that are in the ground, existing wireless infrastructure. It's basically a matter of deciding to do it."




THANK YOU, Danny Hillis and TEDTalks FOR PUTTING THIS OUT THERE... THE TRUTH. WE NEED A NEW COMMUNICATIVE MEDIUM.


Thread: Thoughts & Theories: A New Internet
 Quoting: Mister Obvious


If the internet crashed, it would look like dawn of the dead.

There would be people walking outside with their smartphones looking at them all confused and not knowing what to do.
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The Internet can´t crash it´s made off an military defence communication network.

It virtually is indestructable it is coded this way.

Each packet send hast to be verified, if it is not recived it is resend, if it doesnt reach it´s destination, it is rerouted, until it reaches it´s target IP.

What can happen is that we cant accesss the data anymore.

Cause we are Lazy, somebody introduced DNS (Dynamiy name services) wich made every IP assign an real life name like.

www.icrashthenet.de, now lets say my fictive dns has an ip of 192.1.1.1

Wich cant be cause 192/Ips are only used in intranets most of you would know it from your router, as example.

Well now an evil hacker infests an dns server with a new IP like 192.1.1.2.

Now www.icrashthenet.de can have diffrent contend cause it´s rerouted to the other ip and the PC at the new ip servers a new websited.

So basically what you have to do is you have to know your trusted sites have a fixed IP.

And then you have to find out that IP of the trusted sites.

You can do that by useing your comman shell and typeing "netstat".

I´m allmost sure atm the ip of thissite is 217.89.105.169

i just guessed it from one netstat so far.

But you can do that with every of your favorite sites servers etc.

If you cant reach your favorite pron site with the URL(the real link name) like my.favpron.net, you still may be able to see it with the IP address.

One can taint the DNS servers, but they cant bring the net down lists of IP adresses will probably spread across the net in hours with infos to viabale news.

Lol well so if the shtf keep the IP of GLP.
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Don't worry I have all the porn we need backed up on my drives. Crisis.....diverted.
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5248308


That brings back lots of memories :)

Renegade was really popular in the mid-90's, and so was Wildcat.
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Don't worry I have all the porn we need backed up on my drives. Crisis.....diverted.
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Good to know cause you know the internet is for.

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If internet went down, maybe the earth would start living like normal people again =)
 Quoting: DontBeAfraidEVER


^^^THIS^^^
Jeepster
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As long as this website continues to use it's content to secure profit, it is part of the pervasive problem pandering non-philanthropic usage of resources you are portraying as wanting to fix.

 Quoting: Deaf Cat in the Blue Hat



Your post just amuses me to no end...

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

Go ahead and start saving threads...

It's all free.

What a fabrication you're trying to spin here...

So odd you would stand in the face of fact and try to make up lies.

No, our DB is free, and it is uncensored...

So feel free to do as I have done and spend thousands of hours of your life saving it.
 Quoting: Mister Obvious


Sorry to not have had the time - but ummm I wanted a discussion.

You can't say the DB isn't censored. What is allowed to stay in it is not uncensored.

I proposed a discussion respectfully - to which you did state a truth in that someone could save all the data here given time.

I wanted a view of the administration's opinion on making matters easier for GLP to take into it's own hands the easiest route to sustainable backup ability and you shot me down like a shill.

I was hoping for a better attitude on the subject YOU brought up :/

If you want to discuss what lies I'm trying to spread, I'm game. Again, the sense here is that you're deflecting the argument toward the site being free. I never claimed it wasn't. I claimed it's content is used to secure profit.

Can we discuss that, if anything in response to my post, rather than the matter of it being free and available to be saved and continuously updated by someone on the dole who you rag on all the time?

You're suggesting people be the type you despise and ridicule every day in order to have a free backup, FYI.

Sidenote: in not all circumstances would relying on the dole give one the time you've invested - realized afterward that would read as a pretty fucked up unintentional association. Knowing that you've done so makes your stance easy to understand and indeed more respectable.

Bad timing thing and all - but it would be unfortunate if the expectation is for all to have to make the same sacrifice to share in what you (and others) have.
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Oh just stop it. Everything is pre dated. Everything is a lie as far as i see it. So please go away.
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only read page 1 and the last page, so sorry if it's already been posted.

[link to project-byzantium.org]

too bad it's not finished.
rhombus will set you free...

some try to tell me thoughts they cannot defend. just what you want to be, you will be in the end!

if you can't face the truth it's probably raping you from behind.
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China is designing a new internet.

Improved : control.

[link to www.newscientist.com]

"One of the most important aspects of its next-generation backbone is a security feature known as Source Address Validation Architecture (SAVA).

"Many of the existing security problems stem from an inability to authenticate IP addresses of computers that try to connect to your network. SAVA fixes this by adding checkpoints across the network.

"These build up a database of trusted computers matched up with their IP addresses. Packets of data will be blocked if the computer and IP address don't match."
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the usa millitary have a back up plan they have another internet seperate from this one , its sattelite based only , it was on main stream news years back when the sattelites for got launced , there is also a public back up plan , look for it on the net
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I wonder if thats what HAARP is really for. It seems like some kind of communications system with all the antennas
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isn't this really just laying the groundwork for 'internet 2.0' .. and getting rid of free speech etc. and replacing the wild west internet with something like a closed amount of channels.. similar to how cable tv is ...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5146667


Most modern WiFi has onlyt 13 channels of Radio.. only 13, sorta like the old analog pre UHF TV.. consider this..

Interference of the wifi 'cells'.. of inter-channel interference takes a bit of planning, and of course all would have to abide by the 'rules' of the neighbor cells to avoid such radio interference. I already see this in my 8 neighboring households with mine as a center 9th cell.. my wifi detector software shows that 9 out of the available 13 are busy and in use.. and many of them also have three or four being used on the same wifi channel.

So, yes, the corraling effect is 'defacto' in play already.

If you have a township of say 30,000 people why are there not at least 30,000 radio channels of Wifi? THink Cellular technology and its lay out, the way the towers and cells are arranged and being used, as well as the frequency channel allocations. People Net..

Its all about the AIR WAVES... unless wires are laid down to copy the old telephone systems.. seems like many are wanting to re-invent a 100 year old technology... at least study what was down and how it was down, the science is realatively sound.

THis is not really the makings of Internet v. 2.0.. this is more like Internet by the hundreds per surface area.

So, what do you know. In order to get it all working along and smoothly running and avoiding the sort of channel congestion that happened with CB Radio.. what do you suggest? At some point someone will advise some form of 'inter group' regulations or at least recommendations,, and viola the Home Owners Associations at the least start getting all hot and bothered and form 'governments' and all the politicing is re-invented.

Such is just a matter of time. Because People have not realized where and how Politics started in the world thousands of years ago. It starts with Two people, perhaps, man and woman, and then their children.. then extended families.. the politica starts that early ... go figure.. its pure unadulterated Human Nature.

The bigger question may well be, What is worth communicating vs keeping to yourself?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27972246


Such is just a matter of time. Because People have not realized where and how Politics started in the world thousands of years ago. It starts with Two people, perhaps, man and woman, and then their children.. then extended families.. the politica starts that early ... go figure.. its pure unadulterated Human Nature.

clappa

And this is why we are in the position we are in now. Between outdated standards and systems so reliant on something that has no backup plan we need a plan B.

Last Edited by IRQ_1 on 03/18/2013 07:10 PM
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Let me just notify people reading this that... you do not know shit about Europe and its role in Russia.
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and have no clue that Norway will get you in to more trouble that anything :|
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It is possible to make a "separate" internet with amateur radios. I've heard it somewhere. Basically it is to use the amateur radio communication to "talk" with modems/switches and all these stuff. It is painfully slow, but it works.
 Quoting: CripplingLies


First, it was packet radio with a single MO-dulator DEM-modulator= Modem one way (you had to stfu to listen
and next you transmit) and it had error correction.

Next they invented the two way Modem who could work in
parallel (receiving and transmiting the same time) so it
could work on ground telephone lines band voila...
the first BBs es was born and next Internet

Without Amateur Radio there would not be Internet

you dont need to invent something who already exists

you just need to accept low speeds, 300bps for HF worldwide
and 1200 or 9600 for VHF-UHF Local contacts

But accepting the low speeds, you take a real time Free Digi
tal radio communication, TEXT, with local FREE BBS es and
worldwide contacts 24/7 from your antenna straight to the
other antenna PC to PC, no providers

ofcourse you can send files also, but it takes his time:)

[link to www.tapr.org]
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