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$22 to $33 Hr - Minimun Wage Coming soon..... Senator Warren - Hope it passes... we need it.

 
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Minimum wage is not the problem.

The problem is companies trying to extract the most profit out of their operations.

Instead of a minimum wage, we should establish a maximum profit.

Why?

You can make minimum wage whatever you want. If you make it 25 dollars, Coca-Cola will raise the price of Coca Cola to 4 dollars per 16 oz. Why? You can afford it now. You want it and you have the money. Also, everyone in the chain is being paid more, so Coca-Colas cost from concept to consumer also goes up.

Nobody really wins.

However, leave Minimum wage where it is and cap profits of corporations or even small businesses to a certain percentage, and therefore force the abundance to be distributed to workers as bonuses and incentives, or to pay overtime...to benefit the worker rather than blow it on acquisitions or endless advertisements etc.

This gives the workers more money to better the economy and keeps business honest and caps on greed.
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Re: $22 to $33 Hr - Minimun Wage Coming soon..... Senator Warren - Hope it passes... we need it.
Minimum wage is not the problem.

The problem is companies trying to extract the most profit out of their operations.

Instead of a minimum wage, we should establish a maximum profit.

Why?

You can make minimum wage whatever you want. If you make it 25 dollars, Coca-Cola will raise the price of Coca Cola to 4 dollars per 16 oz. Why? You can afford it now. You want it and you have the money. Also, everyone in the chain is being paid more, so Coca-Colas cost from concept to consumer also goes up.

Nobody really wins.

However, leave Minimum wage where it is and cap profits of corporations or even small businesses to a certain percentage, and therefore force the abundance to be distributed to workers as bonuses and incentives, or to pay overtime...to benefit the worker rather than blow it on acquisitions or endless advertisements etc.

This gives the workers more money to better the economy and keeps business honest and caps on greed.
 Quoting: Holy_Diver


So. If I own my own business and I am the only one that works there, does everything over your cap I earn go to the govt?

You and barry would love that shit.


Dio sucks btw.
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Re: $22 to $33 Hr - Minimun Wage Coming soon..... Senator Warren - Hope it passes... we need it.

I own a small business... and I pay $25.00 hour to my staff. They work very hard for me... and help me MAKE MOENY... they ARE WORTH IT..... it is simply the COST of doing business...

Smile.

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What kind of business? What are your staff doing? Somehow I doubt you're paying a guy $25 an hour to take out your garbage out the front door.
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OP, I would like to know if the minimum wage is doubled will you be increasing your hourly employees to 50.00 an hour.

If yes:
Your costs will rise. How will you handle that? Will you be passing that on to your customers?

If no:
Why would your employees stay with you if they are making more than double the minimum now. How would they survive when all costs around them are rising and they are still making the same which is now considered minimum wage?
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Re: $22 to $33 Hr - Minimun Wage Coming soon..... Senator Warren - Hope it passes... we need it.
That is the dumbest idea ever.
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No workers = No Products, NO service
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I believe you, it's simply the law of attraction.

What type of business are you in? Any chance you would want to expand over into Eastern Washington? I live in Spokane and would love to work for a company with such a possitive attitude!

hf
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We need it!?@?! thats going to cause the craziest hyper inflation weve ever seen . In the short term smallbusiness will close.

Welp here comes the kill shot for our economy
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That is the dumbest idea ever.
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No workers = No Products, NO service
 Quoting: Holy_Diver


No business owners, means no jobs for workers and no products whatsoever. What's your point? Trust me, there is no shortage of workers nor are they going to stop working. However, there is a shortage of business owners that will offer you jobs and they have the power to just quit, then you'll have absolutely nothing.
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Re: $22 to $33 Hr - Minimun Wage Coming soon..... Senator Warren - Hope it passes... we need it.
Minimum wage is not the problem.

The problem is companies trying to extract the most profit out of their operations.

Instead of a minimum wage, we should establish a maximum profit.

Why?

You can make minimum wage whatever you want. If you make it 25 dollars, Coca-Cola will raise the price of Coca Cola to 4 dollars per 16 oz. Why? You can afford it now. You want it and you have the money. Also, everyone in the chain is being paid more, so Coca-Colas cost from concept to consumer also goes up.

Nobody really wins.

However, leave Minimum wage where it is and cap profits of corporations or even small businesses to a certain percentage, and therefore force the abundance to be distributed to workers as bonuses and incentives, or to pay overtime...to benefit the worker rather than blow it on acquisitions or endless advertisements etc.

This gives the workers more money to better the economy and keeps business honest and caps on greed.
 Quoting: Holy_Diver


that is a really good thought its not money or anything else its greed and irrational greed these are the problems and the dog eat dog mentality of society we need to change the whole way we think and view society the whole system needs a overhall
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Re: $22 to $33 Hr - Minimun Wage Coming soon..... Senator Warren - Hope it passes... we need it.
If this happens I hope gas reaches $10/gallon.
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Fantasyland are you a us senator?
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If this happens I hope gas reaches $10/gallon.
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And a single whopper costs $9.
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Re: $22 to $33 Hr - Minimun Wage Coming soon..... Senator Warren - Hope it passes... we need it.
I say we settle for $12 bucks an hour.
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So. If I own my own business and I am the only one that works there, does everything over your cap I earn go to the govt?
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How in fuck did you get that out of what I said? Your tax would remain as it is now.

You would be forced to give yourself the remainder of profit after surpassing the profit limit. So if you brought in 300% and the Cap was 200%, you'd leave 1/3 of it with the company for excessive corporate greed and the other 2/3 goes to you as a bonus.
You and barry would love that shit.
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I really don't understand your problem, unless your sole motivation in life is greed and acquisition.
Dio sucks btw.
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I really don't care if you like him or not, I will not bat an eyelash.

He really doesn't do anything anymore, he's dead.

I'm sorry, not every musician can be as great as your Justin Bieber or Taylor Swift.
:ritd:"You've been left on your own, like a Rainbow in the Dark" -Ronnie James Dio:ritd:
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Re: $22 to $33 Hr - Minimun Wage Coming soon..... Senator Warren - Hope it passes... we need it.
Lol $22 an hour to flip burgers? Get the fuck outta here.
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Sure, why not?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23657849


The burger flippers are doing more for the future of the company than some rich shitbag that inherited his dead daddies money, bought the business, does nothing and sucks the life from the workers.
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this is why 100 percent inheritance tax should be levied against all estates with a value of a million or more
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If this happens I hope gas reaches $10/gallon.
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resources such as oil should be the property of the community 90 percent of the whole overpopulation scare is due to inefficiencies in how resources are used and distributed globally
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That is the dumbest idea ever.
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No workers = No Products, NO service
 Quoting: Holy_Diver


No business owners, means no jobs for workers and no products whatsoever. What's your point? Trust me, there is no shortage of workers nor are they going to stop working. However, there is a shortage of business owners that will offer you jobs and they have the power to just quit, then you'll have absolutely nothing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24957083


What is the goal of a business owner...to take their money and turn it into more money, yes?

What is the goal of a worker? To help the business owner make money and make their own living in the process.

The business owner has lost sight of the symbiotic nature of the arrangement and designs to keep more than their fair share of their return on investment.

There comes a point where owners and CEO's and executives have more than they need and yet they will stop at nothing to have even more while their workers live in rent controlled apartments and eat Top Ramen so the CEO can have a third yacht and a private jet.

And YOU are here trying to argue that that's okay, and if we fight against it well, they'll just stop providing jobs at all.

You're a fucker, and there's nothing more to say to someone like you except that you are the enemy and should be treated as such.
:ritd:"You've been left on your own, like a Rainbow in the Dark" -Ronnie James Dio:ritd:
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Re: $22 to $33 Hr - Minimun Wage Coming soon..... Senator Warren - Hope it passes... we need it.
So. If I own my own business and I am the only one that works there, does everything over your cap I earn go to the govt?
 Quoting: LunaticFringe


How in fuck did you get that out of what I said? Your tax would remain as it is now.

You would be forced to give yourself the remainder of profit after surpassing the profit limit. So if you brought in 300% and the Cap was 200%, you'd leave 1/3 of it with the company for excessive corporate greed and the other 2/3 goes to you as a bonus.
You and barry would love that shit.
 Quoting: whomever

I really don't understand your problem, unless your sole motivation in life is greed and acquisition.
Dio sucks btw.
 Quoting: whomever


I really don't care if you like him or not, I will not bat an eyelash.

He really doesn't do anything anymore, he's dead.

I'm sorry, not every musician can be as great as your Justin Bieber or Taylor Swift.
 Quoting: Holy_Diver


Once the govt gets involved they're always gettong a cut, somewhere. What's the profit cap?

The primary reason I go to work is for profit.

Knowing that you went from ronnie dio to justin beeber tells me everything I need to know about your level of decision making.
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Re: $22 to $33 Hr - Minimun Wage Coming soon..... Senator Warren - Hope it passes... we need it.
I also think when people make more money... they have a BETTER ATTITUDE within that naturally HELPS everyone.

Perhaps with a better minimun wage..... it would be an incentive to GET OFF THE INTERNET and go back to work!

Smile.
 Quoting: Seattle88


THe Corporatists will never allows this to happen.

It should, morally it is the right thing to do(a huge resetting of various economic levers) at this point in our history.

If they expect the bankers who built the fire to get off scott free, i don't see how the people should be impoverished as a result.
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The corporatists will certainly try to not allow this to happen. They are playing games even right now. "Oh it's Obama's fault, it's Obamacare" blah blah blah, taking no responsibility for their own choices to act unethical as employers.

They will throw tantrums by firing people, only hiring people as part time workers, refusing to hire new people, and other games that they are playing right now as we speak. All because they are too selfish and greedy to give up their lavish lifestyles, as their personal overhead is too high, and they are personally high maintenance. Then they ridiculously blame it on Obama, democrats, blah blah blah as if someone is holding a gun to their heads to force them to act unreasonable to others, just because they themselves are too stubborn and selfish to adapt.

That's why laws need to be passed protecting the worker and unions need to be brought back. Most employers cannot be trusted to adjust on their own and morally or otherwise do the right thing, because they're just too damn greedy and self-centered.
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Lol $22 an hour to flip burgers? Get the fuck outta here.
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Sure, why not?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23657849


The burger flippers are doing more for the future of the company than some rich shitbag that inherited his dead daddies money, bought the business, does nothing and sucks the life from the workers.
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this is why 100 percent inheritance tax should be levied against all estates with a value of a million or more
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Where do you get this crap? Russia? Putin, is the you?
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Re: $22 to $33 Hr - Minimun Wage Coming soon..... Senator Warren - Hope it passes... we need it.
Once the govt gets involved they're always gettong a cut, somewhere. What's the profit cap?
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That's not my field of expertise. I would leave that up to the experts to decide what is needed to be kept in order to motivate a company to continue and what is to be given back to the team that helps them to do so that will actually help anyone or the economy.
The primary reason I go to work is for profit.
 Quoting: whomever

That's sad.
Knowing that you went from ronnie dio to justin beeber tells me everything I need to know about your level of decision making.
 Quoting: whomever

The fact that you said Dio sucks tells me everything I need to know about where you're at, musically.

Not worth talking to.
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No.. the goal of a Business owner is to MAKE A PROFIT...

The GOAL of a Worker for the business owner is to PRODUCE Goods or Services as REQUIRED by the Business owner.

The Goal of a Worker who works for others.... is for their OWN NEEDS.... is to make money.. pay bills.... and be happy with their CHOCIES of work.


If NOT... they need to BECOME A BUSINESS OWNER.... and PRODUCE a POROFIT for their self....

Or

Live off of Family... Friends or Govt.

CHOICES of WHO YOU ARE.... come FROM YOU....

Everything here are the DETAILS... of YOUR CHOICES...

Going to college.. or not.... working or not... creating a business or not....

No workers = No Products, NO service
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No business owners, means no jobs for workers and no products whatsoever. What's your point? Trust me, there is no shortage of workers nor are they going to stop working. However, there is a shortage of business owners that will offer you jobs and they have the power to just quit, then you'll have absolutely nothing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24957083


What is the goal of a business owner...to take their money and turn it into more money, yes?

What is the goal of a worker? To help the business owner make money and make their own living in the process.

The business owner has lost sight of the symbiotic nature of the arrangement and designs to keep more than their fair share of their return on investment.

There comes a point where owners and CEO's and executives have more than they need and yet they will stop at nothing to have even more while their workers live in rent controlled apartments and eat Top Ramen so the CEO can have a third yacht and a private jet.

And YOU are here trying to argue that that's okay, and if we fight against it well, they'll just stop providing jobs at all.

You're a fucker, and there's nothing more to say to someone like you except that you are the enemy and should be treated as such.
 Quoting: Holy_Diver
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Re: $22 to $33 Hr - Minimun Wage Coming soon..... Senator Warren - Hope it passes... we need it.
I think it's a great idea.

Now for some reason people believe that "you are not good enough to get make $22 an hour, only I am" or "only these people are".

I think this logic is evidenced by the systematic division of americans.

That's right.

People at the top are dividing citizens; only THESE people are worth $22 an hour.

The simple fact is; put yourself in their situation.

Imagine if you're alone, broke, and can only make $7 an hour.

How the fuck are you supposed to survive?

Seriously? In my city it's hard enough to live on a $65k per year job, if you're making $20k? Forget it.

You're nothing. You can't afford a car, dinner, or rent.

You'll be miserable at your job. You'll be miserable in life.

How are you supposed to live?

Don't blow this question off. How the fuck are Americans supposed to live on $7 an hour?

And finally, are you supposed to offer a quality service for $7 an hour when you're busting your ass off?

People have the gall to insult walmart/mcdonalds employees when they're being paid $7 an hour to be a slave?

PS: This is from someone who has several college degrees (computer science) and have had VERY cushy jobs making bank.

And I still believe that the majority of workers in America are fucked.

Just my $.02

PS: America has two problems right now. Illegal immigration, and low paying jobs. How about offering legal CITIZENS a new umbrella of jobs paying $20 an hour in order to incentivize citizenship and reward legal workers? Just a thought.
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Minimum wage jobs were never meant to be lifelong jobs.....they are starter jobs because the natural evolution is for workers to move up....its the fire under one's ass to improve....
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bsflag

How about housewives that want to get a job? Not everyone wants, or should, climb the corporate ladder. iamwith
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OP doesnt understand economics very well. No problemo, it's not taught in public schools.

Havent read the entire thread, but higher minimum wage/fewer jobs.

Why not just increase it to $500/hr like a previous poster mentioned? because there would be 60% unemployment.
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OP doesnt understand economics very well. No problemo, it's not taught in public schools.

Havent read the entire thread, but higher minimum wage/fewer jobs.

Why not just increase it to $500/hr like a previous poster mentioned? because there would be 60% unemployment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36322397


According to some "economic experts" unemployment is already >40%. So what's the difference?

How are Americans supposed to live on $7 an hour?
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Sure, why not?
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The burger flippers are doing more for the future of the company than some rich shitbag that inherited his dead daddies money, bought the business, does nothing and sucks the life from the workers.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24355804


this is why 100 percent inheritance tax should be levied against all estates with a value of a million or more
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Where do you get this crap? Russia? Putin, is the you?
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no the point i was making was its one thing to build a business and be profitable its a whole other thing it inherit large sums of money or businesses while not actually working for anything in life and pretend that u did something to get it
in these situations no merit or effort or anything was involved and had this person been born poor or middle class would had to have done something in-order to get a head
unlike alot of the super wealthy who just inherit their wealth and pretend they deserve so much more then everyone else because their daddy or granddaddy did something a few years ago
majority of socity is who you know not what you know
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OP doesnt understand economics very well. No problemo, it's not taught in public schools.

Havent read the entire thread, but higher minimum wage/fewer jobs.

Why not just increase it to $500/hr like a previous poster mentioned? because there would be 60% unemployment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36322397


According to some "economic experts" unemployment is already >40%. So what's the difference?

How are Americans supposed to live on $7 an hour?
 Quoting: ParadiseStorm


Ok if it a numbers thing, unemployment would be so high so as to cause the economy to collpase overnight.

There are many ways to increase Americans REAL DISPOSBLE income w/out increaseing minimum wage. The first would be to eliminate the Federal Reserve, but we all know that's not going to happen.
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You know.... the Unions get it.... and the CEO's get it... I say it is time for EVERYONE to get it.
 Quoting: Seattle88


you are ignorant.

you don't see it.

tripling minimum wage only
triples your taxes paid
to the Rothschilds.

yes, I said Rothschild.

the IRS is not a US entity.
It is a private corporation
incorporated in Delaware.
It's stockholders include
Vatican Banker Rothschild.

Your IRS taxes do not go to
the US Gov, it goes to bankers.

The US operates on cash obtained
by illegal arms and drug sales
by the CIA and luxury taxes like
gas tax, cigarette tax, import tax,
etc ...

wake up people !!!
you are a slave NEO !!!
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Look ... they would NOT MAKE IT $25 hr all at once...

ALL Pay increases on the min is over a period of 10 years or even 15 year... but without THAT PROJECTION no one is going to do it.

At least we have started a CONVERSATION.

So many of you are worried about the economy.... but I tell you THOSE THINGS would take care of them self..

More money in circulation means people would be SPENDING.... Business would make more money....

more.. could get off welfare...

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