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$22 to $33 Hr - Minimun Wage Coming soon..... Senator Warren - Hope it passes... we need it.

 
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It's a great, humanitarian thought, but here is a post of mine from another website concerning this "idea"...

I can understand why many people that like the idea of increasing the minimum wage believe that it is a good thing. I totally understand...but it always comes at a cost.

I can remember my first job while I was in high school. I made $3.35 and hour...woo-hoo! That was...erm...over 30 years ago.

What I have observed over the years is that every time the minimum wage goes up, the cost of everything else goes up. The fallout of this is while it is great that those on the low end of the income scale get a bump, they only get to enjoy it for a very short time. Also...everyone else who was making say...$12.00 dollars an hour are NOT going to get a raise but their costs are going to go up. See the prison?

I'm not saying it is right that every time the minimum wage goes up that the cost of everything else goes up to...it is just a reality. Corporations work on percentages of profit over cost. If it costs $10.00 to make something and you and your stockholders are working for a 25% gross profit...that product must sell for no less than $12.50. If the cost of producing goes up 10% and now cost $11.00 to make...the associated product will now sell for $13.75. See how this works?

I like to think of myself as a realist with hopeful thoughts. I "hope" that one day the world will be fair and we can all live in decent homes with food on our table...but the "realist" in me says..."ain't gonna happen"...

Here is a thought for comparison though (It shows something IS wrong)

In 1972, the price of an ounce of gold was $38.00 per ounce
(source = [link to minerals.usgs...gold] )

In 1972, the minimum wage was $1.60 an hour.

A person in 1972 had to work approx 23.75 hours to earn the equivalent of an ounce of gold value.

In 2013, the price of gold is roughly $1,580.00 an ounce (give or take)

In 2013 the minimum wage is currently $7.25 and hour.

A person today must work approximately 218 hours to earn the equivalent to an ounce of gold.

Just saying…the system isn’t balanced and most people have not observed this huge imbalance …it happened over nearly 40 years. They did not “feel” the water warming up.

Consider this…

In my humble opinion...

If you really and truly want to make the life of others more prosperous and fulfilling...

There is only one possible road...

Freedom.
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Damn, the commies have gone beyond mad.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

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Many have this idea that the Gov mandating wages is the answer when time and again it has been proven to be only a temporary "pleasure" until the costs rise and wipe out the gains...fact.

The Gov...while mandating this...is also holding strict laws on free enterprise and entrepreneurship. They are holding both ends of the rope that they are using to hang people with. Raising the minimum wage does not create prosperity, it continues wage slavery.

I say...get the Gov out of the way...let people do what they can do to take care of themselves. If a person wants to get a cheap trailer and a cheap grill and sell cheap hot dogs along the side of the road...he should be able to do that. he should not have to pay for licensing and regulations just to get started. Sure, have a health inspection randomly to make sure the guy isn't poisoning people...but do not punish before he even gets started.

If someone wants to be a door-to-door masseuse...they should be able to without ridiculous rules and regulations.

All these regulations and codes do is stifle competition in the market place. If you are already up the ladder, what a better way to keep your "position" than to lobby for regulations that limit and/or remove competition...

The only true answer is complete economic and financial freedom for all. I am not talking about no oversight...there are some things that have to be monitored for safety...but...many things are regulated for the sake of regulation alone. There used to be a term..."Buyer beware"...if you choose to purchase poorly, that is your lack of research...it should not be up to the Gov to protect you from your own stupidity.

I believe things like prostitution and certain herbal substances should be legal. They can be taxed and it boils down to two people making a contract between them. There should be no place for the Gov in this arrangement.

I digress though. I believe in freedom and personal responsibility. I know many-many people believe the answer to our woes is in more and more Gov't control and for me and those that feel as I do...that is the exact opposite of what needs to happen to return to prosperity...
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I believe in freedom and personal responsibility.

I know many-many people believe the answer to our woes is in more and more Gov't control and for me and those that feel as I do...that is the exact opposite of what needs to happen to return to prosperity...
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I think $25.00 dollars an hour in Fraud Currency is pretty reasonable, considering it is Fraud Currency.
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No, we don't need a minimum wage

We need guvmint to STOP TAKING SO MANY GODDAMN TAXES OUT OF YOUR WAGES.

$8.50 an hour would go a long way if the bastards in DC were only taking TEN PERCENT of that, no?

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the concept is flawed at so many levels as to be a reckless pursuit

OP doesn't pay 25/hr for someone to mop the floors


total bs
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In the 70's I made $1.65 hr. $66 a week.

I supported one child and a husband in college.
He also worked the 11 PM to 7 PM Shift.

$25.00 in groceries was a LOT of food for one week.

Daycare was $20 a week.



The Minimum Wage in 1950 was $0.75 cents an hour.

In 1950 $0.75 cents was paid in Silver Coin.

A Coin of the same weight and purity as the 1950 $0.50 cents plus a 1950 $0.25 cents is at, or near $20.00 dollars today in the Fake Frauderal Reserve Currency?

So, any 90% silver coin, of similar weight and purity, stamped with any symbol ie...Nazi, USA, Soviet, Cuban, Chinese...etc...

Is worth approx $20.00 in Fraud Paper Currency issued by malignant usurpers posing as the "Federal Reserve".

I think $25.00 dollars an hour in Fraud Currency is pretty reasonable, considering it is Fraud Currency.
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Tell me your story... this is mine.

You can belive me or not.

Send me an EMAIL at GLPJunk@mail.com and I will show you my business.

But I WILL NOT put it on this web site.

Op you're a moron, and i doubt you own a business
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Of the few who listen,fewer still will understand,

Understanding does not mean believe,

Of the handful who believe, most may not know what to do,

Those who even know, how many will actually do ?

And the rare ones who have done it.......

Need not listen to you anymore.



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ignorance of economics is not belief

how would you explain the inflation, unemployment and loss of jobs overseas

all would be outcomes to your piss poor plan

and there's no way you pay menial labor 25/hr and still make money ...unless you run some overinflated art gallery or some such useless business
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Dear Seattle 88, would like to check out your business, can offer support from the Eastside. Just tell me what your business rhymes with, and the nearest cross street and I will figure out the rest.

Godspeed, look forward to working with you.

SmileySmileyGlasSmileyWink
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It rhymes with "Smack Feeler"

And we work on any cross street where addicts frequent

I look forward to working with you also :)
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I earn 40 Euros an hour to do computer stuff (webdesign manily but also cleaning up/installing computers/routers/wifi, etc.)

No taxes, I work on my own in my 'free time' while being unemployed and I ask zero from the government even though I have a 'right' to get it. Because when you get something from the government, they own you ;)

I earn between 2,000 and 2,500 Euros a month easily (I could make more, but I prefer having free time and I don't need more than 1,000 to pay for all my monthly expenses).

So what I am trying to say is, specialize in something and earn your money that way inside the system without having to give money to taxes or insurances (I have none). Sure the food you buy is taxed but I earn my money from the slaves within the system, not from the masters so I have no direct obligations.

You don't need the system to be your master to a get minimum wage slave paycheck they illegally tax in many ways.

Be a freeman ;)
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We pay a service $150 to clearn floor once a month it takes them 1.5 hours... so YES WE DO.. it is to a SMALL business person.

How much do you pay your Mechanic?

How about your Hair Dresser?

What about a PRIVATE TUTOR???

Music, Math, Science Teachers for PRIVATE instruction???

and PRIVATE Baby Sitters are getting $10.00 hr for 1 and $15 for 2 and $20 for 3.. these people are young.



the concept is flawed at so many levels as to be a reckless pursuit

OP doesn't pay 25/hr for someone to mop the floors


total bs
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Well Union workers make this to change a light bulb... Get the Fxxx outta here... Jack...


Lol $22 an hour to flip burgers? Get the fuck outta here.
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And states where the majority are union are very expensive to live in for non-union workers. When the minimum wage goes up or people make a lot of money in certain areas, then everything goes up. It nullifies the increase in minimum wage then.

Pay what you want to your employees to keep them but don't force a wage on an employer to pay someone they don't know will work out. It will also keep people from getting jobs and people will get fired as well because they are not worth it.

And I can just see $15 burgers when burger flippers make 22 bucks an hour. That is insane.
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Well.. don't you think it would the the TRICKLE UP EFFECT... if they pay more at the bottom... then the MIDDLE will go higher too.

Who can live on $7.50 hr... you can't.

Who can live on $10.00 hr.

My first job paid $1.65 hr... and I CHANGED JOBS for $2.10 hr raise at a NEW employer.

You see... it is just RELATIVE to your MIND.

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I know many, many, many people living on 10 /hr. I am one of them.
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Well.. don't you think it would the the TRICKLE UP EFFECT... if they pay more at the bottom... then the MIDDLE will go higher too.

Who can live on $7.50 hr... you can't.

Who can live on $10.00 hr.

My first job paid $1.65 hr... and I CHANGED JOBS for $2.10 hr raise at a NEW employer.

You see... it is just RELATIVE to your MIND.

I DREAMED a DREAM.... I wanted to be my own boss... I worked hard.. and the Universe PRESENTED several opportunities.

DREAM BIGGER and GREATER DREAMS....

I also say.. we don't have a WAGE PROBLEM... we have a MENTAL PROGRAM PROBLEM.

My Experience....

The UNIVERSE DELIVERS EXACTLY what you THINK You are worth... no more or no less. IF you are ready to change....Read the book... by Jame Allen... it CHANGED MY LIVE...



As a man thinketh by JAMES ALLEN AUDIOBOOK



I speak for most of America when I say this -

$22 an hour to do the most stress free job possible? Sign me up. Sure, ill work at auntie annes. There's no point in trying to exert myself anymore."
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Minimum wage was made for entry workers like teens or people will no education or a worthless education. If a person wants more money then let them get the education or prove they are worth the extra money. Other than that they can live with their parents or get roommates and take the bus.
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Lol $22 an hour to flip burgers? Get the fuck outta here.
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You get the fuck out CUNT... You think working the grill at a busy restaurant is easy and stress free? Your greasy lardburger doesn't just magically appear on your plate cooked and to your liking, fuck you bitch! Why should a union cafeteria worker get paid top dollar for their leisurely day? (no I am not a grill cook, but I have done it before and it SUCKS)
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So someone flipping burgers will make almost as much money as myself, even though I'm on call and I have skill set?
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Well.. don't you think it would the the TRICKLE UP EFFECT... if they pay more at the bottom... then the MIDDLE will go higher too.

Who can live on $7.50 hr... you can't.

Who can live on $10.00 hr.

My first job paid $1.65 hr... and I CHANGED JOBS for $2.10 hr raise at a NEW employer.

You see... it is just RELATIVE to your MIND.

I DREAMED a DREAM.... I wanted to be my own boss... I worked hard.. and the Universe PRESENTED several opportunities.

DREAM BIGGER and GREATER DREAMS....

I also say.. we don't have a WAGE PROBLEM... we have a MENTAL PROGRAM PROBLEM.

My Experience....

The UNIVERSE DELIVERS EXACTLY what you THINK You are worth... no more or no less. IF you are ready to change....Read the book... by Jame Allen... it CHANGED MY LIVE...



As a man thinketh by JAMES ALLEN AUDIOBOOK



I speak for most of America when I say this -

$22 an hour to do the most stress free job possible? Sign me up. Sure, ill work at auntie annes. There's no point in trying to exert myself anymore."
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Minimum wage was made for entry workers like teens or people will no education or a worthless education. If a person wants more money then let them get the education or prove they are worth the extra money. Other than that they can live with their parents or get roommates and take the bus.
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While I agree in some senses, school is hard to obtain for some. More so now than 2-4 years ago.
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$1000 minimum wage now!

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Those who work for tips make more than that!!

Lol $22 an hour to flip burgers? Get the fuck outta here.
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You get the fuck out CUNT... You think working the grill at a busy restaurant is easy and stress free? Your greasy lardburger doesn't just magically appear on your plate cooked and to your liking, fuck you bitch! Why should a union cafeteria worker get paid top dollar for their leisurely day? (no I am not a grill cook, but I have done it before and it SUCKS)
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Well.. don't you think it would the the TRICKLE UP EFFECT... if they pay more at the bottom... then the MIDDLE will go higher too.

Who can live on $7.50 hr... you can't.

Who can live on $10.00 hr.

My first job paid $1.65 hr... and I CHANGED JOBS for $2.10 hr raise at a NEW employer.

You see... it is just RELATIVE to your MIND.

I DREAMED a DREAM.... I wanted to be my own boss... I worked hard.. and the Universe PRESENTED several opportunities.

DREAM BIGGER and GREATER DREAMS....

I also say.. we don't have a WAGE PROBLEM... we have a MENTAL PROGRAM PROBLEM.

My Experience....

The UNIVERSE DELIVERS EXACTLY what you THINK You are worth... no more or no less. IF you are ready to change....Read the book... by Jame Allen... it CHANGED MY LIVE...



As a man thinketh by JAMES ALLEN AUDIOBOOK



I speak for most of America when I say this -

$22 an hour to do the most stress free job possible? Sign me up. Sure, ill work at auntie annes. There's no point in trying to exert myself anymore."
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Then do away with the minimum wage and let the person attract the wage they deserve. That would be better and keeping with the Law of Attraction. Let the universe deliver what the person attracts. And that may be nothing to tons of money.
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But tell them they can't check their cell phones on the
clock and they won't take the job.
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Lol $22 an hour to flip burgers? Get the fuck outta here.
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Funny thing... it is already.

They could REMOVE the $7.30 Min Smile.


Then do away with the minimum wage and let the person attract the wage they deserve. That would be better and keeping with the Law of Attraction. Let the universe deliver what the person attracts. And that may be nothing to tons of money.
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You don't seem to get it. If everyone ( majority) is making this much more because businesses are being forced to pay these amounts, the COST OF LIVING WILL SKY ROCKET!!!!!!

Not only that, but businesses who can't afford to pa that will be forced to either cut hours, cut staff, or fold all together.

/smh
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So... you don't think people who work at Wendy's have WORTH... that is what I hear you saying.

You THINK only the CEO or Union Worker have Worth???

So flipping burger is worthless in your mind???

Just checking in.

Adjustments... we will ALL ADJUST.... becuase you have UNLIMITED OPPORTUNITES for money.... but you FOCUS on your LACK of opportunties... and THAT MONSTER has CONTROLED YOU for so long... when a gal comes to the hole to help you get out... you DEFEND BEING in your HOLE...

So, no one can give you a rope to LIFT YOU OUT OF YOUR HOLE at this point... you LOVE and DEFEND it.

Ok... perhaps your time is NOT right.... and in a few more years.. another will come upon you with the SAME MESSAGE.

But REMEMBER... you had ohter opportunities to get our of it.

I built a small Hot Dog restaurant Chain. Utilizing this newly proposed minimum wage, and based on my average sale's per restaurant (8 total), and average staff personnel per shift.

A regular hot dog would cost You $10.35

Fries & a drink cost extra $1.99

A Regular Combo meal would cost $12.39

Now bring Your Wife and 2.3 Kids for a quick meal and you have $49.54 for Lunch

Are you certain you want such a high minimum wage?

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That's what it costs to eat at Wendy's
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It all has to do with the burger flipper himself(or herself). If they really believe they are worth more and feel it then they will attract something else that pays more. Or if they don't they may lose the job or not be able to even attract a minimum wage job and become a bum on the street. It is all up to them. It is not the minimum wage or lack of one. It is the person. Do away with the minimum wage and let the universe decide what the person is worth since it is taking directions from the person.
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IF the argument is that the cost of living is already expensive, and that we should raise the minimum wage to reflect that, then YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!

To raise the minimum wage to reflect that, you're just raising the cost of living again.


The answer is to get government out of the business market. It does not have the authority to interfere. The commerce clause was meant for government to aid in keeping trade between the states smooth, regular, unhindered, which is what the word "regulated" meant back then as per Black's Law Dictionary. Over time the word has been twisted to mean what we know of it today.

With regulations and red tape out of the way, and people able to open up their own businesses without asking permission and jumping through hoops to do so, and allowing the Free Market to operate as it was meant to, and held in check by Contract Law, not regulations, you will then see wealth and prosperity return to the people of this country.
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It would weed out a lot of companies for sure. People would learn who was honest and who really was greedy when they see which company sky rockets their prices and which doesn't, implying they won't all do it. However, people would happier to go work that's for certain. And unions would probably ruin it for people like they naturally do. It all sounds too good to be true but I would support it.5a
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So now I have learned so much from you all today.

The BLESSINGS of Fuck Off.... and others have TRULY been expressive of you.

Thank you all so much.
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Then this must be what you are attracting. Everything that is happening to you is what you have drawn to you. You have an angry streak and are attracting some angry people to you. Lighten up and let things happen the way they will. Stop trying to change how others do things. Focus on yourself and what you do. Go with the flow and allow others to do the same. You will be a happier person and will attract happy people. Right now you don't seem to be doing that.

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