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How Karin Halstead helped kill kids at Sandy Hook

 
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Meet Karin Halstead, volunteers for “Sandy Hook Volunteer Fire & Rescue Company” as an EMS Captain. If she was only a volunteer EMS captian that might explain why her story doens't describe the professional conduct of say and EMT for example. Note in her story that she arrives in a "rescue truck" not an ambulance.


"Unfortunately, we only got to work on two people instead of 26 that we maybe could have helped," Bill Halstead said. What??? This is the entire problem with this story, if it was safe enough to evacuate two of the 20 children who were shot, why not evacuate the other 18? Halstead's story is actually an ommission of negligent homocide through failure of duty to rescue, since she is the EMScaptain then she made the call not to evacuate, yet nowhere in any of her interviews does she address the issue of who made the decision to not give the other 18 children an evacuation to a hospital, which they are required to do by law.

"I think that's the toughest part, is we're trained to do this and we wanted people," "We wanted to take care of people and keep them alive and there's nothing we could do.", said Karin Halstead. Nothing you could do??? How about doing your job which invcludes evacatuing the children who were shot to the hospital, duh.

If there is any doubt that she was responsible for evacuting the shot children, remember it was safe to evacuated two of them so it was safe to evacuate the other 18, this is from a manual for the responsibities of EMS captains "Supervises activities of assigned EMS company, including
lieutenants, and firefighter/EMTs." "Supervises all volunteer firefighter/EMT positions, either directly or through other subordinate officers."
"Duty-to-rescue laws: Legislation that requires certain people-those who perform rescues as part of their job-to rescue people in need. These people include firefighters, police officers, and emergency medical technicians" from: [link to forums.nurse.com]


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She says she started off 30 seconds away from firehous in her office, she says while laughing. we went up in the rescue truck the five of us including her dad, says her dad wanted to ride the rescue truck with her "and he wanted to make it even more [inaudible] with my boyfriend he's our captain" the she innocently giggles after this statement about her boyfriend.

Remember this is when she captain of the first medical responders, EMS, on the scene of 26 children who have just been shot, but apparently hijinzx with her dad and boyfriends relationship is more notable to her than the shot, bleeding children (real and or imaginary) she needs to be focusing on saving. and by the way what is a rescue truck? why wouldnt they have ambulances for the EMS first responders. She cant seem to stop laughing at these inappriopriate times, and the half or more of her story is feed to her by her interviewer

As far as the major issue of the criminal negligence, commited by whomever ordered the EMT's to "stand down" while they legally have to meet their legal obligation was to rescue the other 18 shot children by evacuating them to the hospital, Karin Halstead who is the main suspected criminal who failed in the duty to rescue the other 18 shot children, by her own admission, she only states in the interview that she says "when we pulled up" (meaning her, her boyfriend and her dad plus two other unknowns) "they were just marching the children out of the school, so..." "then we just went ahead and did our work" "with anyone not affected without injuries they just marched everyone down to the firehouse" (again no mention of evecuation of shot children at all, just the we "did our work" statement I guess failure of "duty to rescue is her work". From this interview she does not give any mention of her being the one who made the EMT stand down,
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[link to www.youtube.com] (video interview)

Meet Karin Halstead, volunteers for “Sandy Hook Volunteer Fire & Rescue Company” as an EMS Captain. If she was only a volunteer EMS captian that might explain why her story doens't describe the professional conduct of say and EMT for example. Note in her story that she arrives in a "rescue truck" not an ambulance.


"Unfortunately, we only got to work on two people instead of 26 that we maybe could have helped," Bill Halstead said. What??? This is the entire problem with this story, if it was safe enough to evacuate two of the 20 children who were shot, why not evacuate the other 18? Halstead's story is actually an ommission of negligent homocide through failure of duty to rescue, since she is the EMScaptain then she made the call not to evacuate, yet nowhere in any of her interviews does she address the issue of who made the decision to not give the other 18 children an evacuation to a hospital, which they are required to do by law.

"I think that's the toughest part, is we're trained to do this and we wanted people," "We wanted to take care of people and keep them alive and there's nothing we could do.", said Karin Halstead. Nothing you could do??? How about doing your job which invcludes evacatuing the children who were shot to the hospital, duh.

If there is any doubt that she was responsible for evacuting the shot children, remember it was safe to evacuated two of them so it was safe to evacuate the other 18, this is from a manual for the responsibities of EMS captains "Supervises activities of assigned EMS company, including
lieutenants, and firefighter/EMTs." "Supervises all volunteer firefighter/EMT positions, either directly or through other subordinate officers."
"Duty-to-rescue laws: Legislation that requires certain people-those who perform rescues as part of their job-to rescue people in need. These people include firefighters, police officers, and emergency medical technicians" from: [link to forums.nurse.com]


[link to www.coldspringsexcelsior.org]



She says she started off 30 seconds away from firehous in her office, she says while laughing. we went up in the rescue truck the five of us including her dad, says her dad wanted to ride the rescue truck with her "and he wanted to make it even more [inaudible] with my boyfriend he's our captain" the she innocently giggles after this statement about her boyfriend.

Remember this is when she captain of the first medical responders, EMS, on the scene of 26 children who have just been shot, but apparently hijinzx with her dad and boyfriends relationship is more notable to her than the shot, bleeding children (real and or imaginary) she needs to be focusing on saving. and by the way what is a rescue truck? why wouldnt they have ambulances for the EMS first responders. She cant seem to stop laughing at these inappriopriate times, and the half or more of her story is feed to her by her interviewer

As far as the major issue of the criminal negligence, commited by whomever ordered the EMT's to "stand down" while they legally have to meet their legal obligation was to rescue the other 18 shot children by evacuating them to the hospital, Karin Halstead who is the main suspected criminal who failed in the duty to rescue the other 18 shot children, by her own admission, she only states in the interview that she says "when we pulled up" (meaning her, her boyfriend and her dad plus two other unknowns) "they were just marching the children out of the school, so..." "then we just went ahead and did our work" "with anyone not affected without injuries they just marched everyone down to the firehouse" (again no mention of evecuation of shot children at all, just the we "did our work" statement I guess failure of "duty to rescue is her work". From this interview she does not give any mention of her being the one who made the EMT stand down,
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This is correct and protocol was violated that day. Its a low level cheney event stand down... who pulled the strings?????bump
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Re: How Karin Halstead helped kill kids at Sandy Hook
FFS, you people are stupid...

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Re: How Karin Halstead helped kill kids at Sandy Hook
Here is what happens when EMS criminally fail to evacuate:

[link to firelink.monster.com]
Medics Fail to Transport Toddler to Hospital; Leads to First EMS Criminal Investigation

D.C. police have opened a criminal investigation into the death of a 2-year-old girl who was not immediately taken to the hospital by emergency responders.

The investigation will be handled by the homicide division’s special victims unit, which looks into the death of any child younger than 13.
mergency responders went to the 800 block of Southern Avenue SE shortly before 5 a.m. Feb 10 after a report of a child who was having difficulty breathing. A paramedic firefighter unit was first at the scene, and an ambulance arrived two minutes later. The child was evaluated but not taken to a hospital.

About nine hours later, after a 911 call from the same address, the child was taken to Children’s National Medical Center. She died the next day. A social worker who learned about the earlier visit to the house alerted the fire department, which conducted an internal review. The department placed one emergency medical technician and one paramedic on “non-contact” duty, said spokesman Pete Piringer."

sounds like the fire department in this story is honest, and understands its basic moral duty to rescue and holds others to it, unlike sandy hook fire.

the paramedic is being kept on non-contact duty, and her conduct in the incident is being referred to the police department. As a paramedic, with more emergency medical training than the EMT, she was “the lead” responder in the incident, Piringer said.D.C. Attorney General Peter Nickles said, “The questions surrounding the decision not to transport that little girl have become more serious.”
Indeed and the questions surrounding the decision no to transport the other 18 shot children have become more serious for Karin Halstead as well...
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FFS, you people are stupid...

rolleyes
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Only a snake would defend a child killer.
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FFS, you people are stupid...

rolleyes
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Only a snake would defend a child killer.
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Thanks for proving my point...

cruise
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FFS, you people are stupid...

rolleyes
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Only a snake would defend a child killer.
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Thanks for proving my point...

cruise
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clappa

LOL
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Re: How Karin Halstead helped kill kids at Sandy Hook
[link to www.youtube.com] (video interview)

Meet Karin Halstead, volunteers for “Sandy Hook Volunteer Fire & Rescue Company” as an EMS Captain. If she was only a volunteer EMS captian that might explain why her story doens't describe the professional conduct of say and EMT for example. Note in her story that she arrives in a "rescue truck" not an ambulance.
...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13598862


have you ever be in an emmergency team?
i think to understand you need to be.

and if you listen the radio record from dispatcher "someone indicating there is a shooter inside the school...."

is not the same that:

"everybody to dickison drive, active shooting, death and wounded!"
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I am so sick and tired of reading this CRAP about how those kids with 3-11 gun wounds could have been revived. It was an active shooter scene for close to an hour. They did not enter the school till 10 minutes after it started and didn't find the large number of deceased until 15 minutes after that. Explain to me how you can revive a child with that many wounds not to mention how many of them were dismembered? NONE of them would have lived NO MATTER WHAT......so shut the front door and stop with this crap that they died because EMT'S were kept out on purpose. You have no idea what you are talking about and look like an absolute fool even bringing it up.
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I am so sick and tired of reading this CRAP about how those kids with 3-11 gun wounds could have been revived. It was an active shooter scene for close to an hour. They did not enter the school till 10 minutes after it started and didn't find the large number of deceased until 15 minutes after that. Explain to me how you can revive a child with that many wounds not to mention how many of them were dismembered? NONE of them would have lived NO MATTER WHAT......so shut the front door and stop with this crap that they died because EMT'S were kept out on purpose. You have no idea what you are talking about and look like an absolute fool even bringing it up.
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You're talking sane...

NO ONE WANTS THAT HERE AT GLP, MISTER MAN!
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Hey Snake,

what time you due back in Shilltown?
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I am so sick and tired of reading this CRAP about how those kids with 3-11 gun wounds could have been revived. It was an active shooter scene for close to an hour. They did not enter the school till 10 minutes after it started and didn't find the large number of deceased until 15 minutes after that. Explain to me how you can revive a child with that many wounds not to mention how many of them were dismembered? NONE of them would have lived NO MATTER WHAT......so shut the front door and stop with this crap that they died because EMT'S were kept out on purpose. You have no idea what you are talking about and look like an absolute fool even bringing it up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19200631
Their written SOP states they are to render aid to all but the most severe injuries (such as FULL decapitation and nothing short of that). Especially children. These protocols are already written out and it's clear they were not followed.

Ever hear the term heroic efforts? They are often performed on children regardless of the presence of media cameras, or how long it took them to arrive.

The fact Connecticut won't release a report proves they made too many mistakes to cover up.
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I am so sick and tired of reading this CRAP about how those kids with 3-11 gun wounds could have been revived. It was an active shooter scene for close to an hour. They did not enter the school till 10 minutes after it started and didn't find the large number of deceased until 15 minutes after that. Explain to me how you can revive a child with that many wounds not to mention how many of them were dismembered? NONE of them would have lived NO MATTER WHAT......so shut the front door and stop with this crap that they died because EMT'S were kept out on purpose. You have no idea what you are talking about and look like an absolute fool even bringing it up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19200631


Well, at least one of the children was kept alive all the way to Danbury hospital. The one child which managed to get out of the building and into an ambulance before ambulances were told to stay away.

3-11 wounds doesn't automatically mean 3-11 fatal wounds.

At 11:09, an ambulance marooned on Riverside road--not allowed on-scene--is told to send someone with a gurney down to triage to receive a patient who has been brought out of the school by hand. This person should have been brought out of the school by gurney to a waiting ambulance--not hauled out by hand to a triage area that didn't have a single gurney waiting, only loaded onto the gurney once the guy makes it down on foot from Riverside, trundled back up to the ambulance, and finally taken to the hospital an hour and a half after the shooter was reported down.

Gino finally arrives with the school plans at 11:21 a.m.
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I am so sick and tired of reading this CRAP about how those kids with 3-11 gun wounds could have been revived. It was an active shooter scene for close to an hour. They did not enter the school till 10 minutes after it started and didn't find the large number of deceased until 15 minutes after that. Explain to me how you can revive a child with that many wounds not to mention how many of them were dismembered? NONE of them would have lived NO MATTER WHAT......so shut the front door and stop with this crap that they died because EMT'S were kept out on purpose. You have no idea what you are talking about and look like an absolute fool even bringing it up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19200631


How is it that in Aurora they evacuated dozens of victims out of that active crime scene filled with gas, but for little kids at a school, nothing.

If those first responders really were heros as they claim, they would have done what it takes, in spite of the danger. So you're a hero now for looking at a pile of dead bodies? What a load of bullshit.
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I am so sick and tired of reading this CRAP about how those kids with 3-11 gun wounds could have been revived. It was an active shooter scene for close to an hour. They did not enter the school till 10 minutes after it started and didn't find the large number of deceased until 15 minutes after that. Explain to me how you can revive a child with that many wounds not to mention how many of them were dismembered? NONE of them would have lived NO MATTER WHAT......so shut the front door and stop with this crap that they died because EMT'S were kept out on purpose. You have no idea what you are talking about and look like an absolute fool even bringing it up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19200631


Well, at least one of the children was kept alive all the way to Danbury hospital. The one child which managed to get out of the building and into an ambulance before ambulances were told to stay away.

3-11 wounds doesn't automatically mean 3-11 fatal wounds.

At 11:09, an ambulance marooned on Riverside road--not allowed on-scene--is told to send someone with a gurney down to triage to receive a patient who has been brought out of the school by hand. This person should have been brought out of the school by gurney to a waiting ambulance--not hauled out by hand to a triage area that didn't have a single gurney waiting, only loaded onto the gurney once the guy makes it down on foot from Riverside, trundled back up to the ambulance, and finally taken to the hospital an hour and a half after the shooter was reported down.

Gino finally arrives with the school plans at 11:21 a.m.
 Quoting: Zephyr 13211643


Actually 4 ppl were taken to the hospital. The two adults lived and the two kids died, according the official story.

So you're telling me they never took the kid who hid under the pile of dead bodies to the hospital to get checked out at least? That's a hard pill to swallow. Doesn't prove anything, but it's really odd.
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I guess that was the point of hyping these first responders to God like hero status, so we'd feel bad about questioning their obvious negligence on that day.
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I am so sick and tired of reading this CRAP about how those kids with 3-11 gun wounds could have been revived. It was an active shooter scene for close to an hour. They did not enter the school till 10 minutes after it started and didn't find the large number of deceased until 15 minutes after that. Explain to me how you can revive a child with that many wounds not to mention how many of them were dismembered? NONE of them would have lived NO MATTER WHAT......so shut the front door and stop with this crap that they died because EMT'S were kept out on purpose. You have no idea what you are talking about and look like an absolute fool even bringing it up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19200631


How does being dismembered have anything to do with it? You can't live without a hand or foot now? Unless their heads were decapitated, there really isn't any excuse for not trying to render some kind of care. That's just what their procedures say.
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OP law enforcement controls a crime scene, not EMS, so any argument against EMS in this case is ignorant to even start with.

Maybe you should have the balls to go to Newtown and say this stupid ignorant trash youre talking to EMS or law enforcement's face.


I am so sick and tired of reading this CRAP about how those kids with 3-11 gun wounds could have been revived. It was an active shooter scene for close to an hour. They did not enter the school till 10 minutes after it started and didn't find the large number of deceased until 15 minutes after that. Explain to me how you can revive a child with that many wounds not to mention how many of them were dismembered? NONE of them would have lived NO MATTER WHAT......so shut the front door and stop with this crap that they died because EMT'S were kept out on purpose. You have no idea what you are talking about and look like an absolute fool even bringing it up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19200631

This. People talking and getting angry over things when they dont even know the protocols. They should bring their blod pressure down a notch let the adult professionals who actually know the facts handle things.



Hey Snake,

what time you due back in Shilltown?
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Is everyone who disagrees with your bad judgement and lack of intelligence a shill? and you wonder why they wont even let you pay to be a member here.





I am so sick and tired of reading this CRAP about how those kids with 3-11 gun wounds could have been revived. It was an active shooter scene for close to an hour. They did not enter the school till 10 minutes after it started and didn't find the large number of deceased until 15 minutes after that. Explain to me how you can revive a child with that many wounds not to mention how many of them were dismembered? NONE of them would have lived NO MATTER WHAT......so shut the front door and stop with this crap that they died because EMT'S were kept out on purpose. You have no idea what you are talking about and look like an absolute fool even bringing it up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19200631
Their written SOP states they are to render aid to all but the most severe injuries (such as FULL decapitation and nothing short of that). Especially children. These protocols are already written out and it's clear they were not followed.

Ever hear the term heroic efforts? They are often performed on children regardless of the presence of media cameras, or how long it took them to arrive.

The fact Connecticut won't release a report proves they made too many mistakes to cover up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7365566

NOT WITH MCI PROTOCOL, IT DOES NOT! get your shit straight before you go accusing others of things you dont even know about!




I am so sick and tired of reading this CRAP about how those kids with 3-11 gun wounds could have been revived. It was an active shooter scene for close to an hour. They did not enter the school till 10 minutes after it started and didn't find the large number of deceased until 15 minutes after that. Explain to me how you can revive a child with that many wounds not to mention how many of them were dismembered? NONE of them would have lived NO MATTER WHAT......so shut the front door and stop with this crap that they died because EMT'S were kept out on purpose. You have no idea what you are talking about and look like an absolute fool even bringing it up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19200631


Well, at least one of the children was kept alive all the way to Danbury hospital. The one child which managed to get out of the building and into an ambulance before ambulances were told to stay away.

3-11 wounds doesn't automatically mean 3-11 fatal wounds.

At 11:09, an ambulance marooned on Riverside road--not allowed on-scene--is told to send someone with a gurney down to triage to receive a patient who has been brought out of the school by hand. This person should have been brought out of the school by gurney to a waiting ambulance--not hauled out by hand to a triage area that didn't have a single gurney waiting, only loaded onto the gurney once the guy makes it down on foot from Riverside, trundled back up to the ambulance, and finally taken to the hospital an hour and a half after the shooter was reported down.

Gino finally arrives with the school plans at 11:21 a.m.
 Quoting: Zephyr 13211643

the pulseless shot dead do not get CPR in an MCI shooting
you really expect them to be doing CPR on 26 shot dead people?
I hope not

and what fucking difference does a gurney vs being carried out matter to someone who has been shot? Not one bit, as far as their injury goes.





I am so sick and tired of reading this CRAP about how those kids with 3-11 gun wounds could have been revived. It was an active shooter scene for close to an hour. They did not enter the school till 10 minutes after it started and didn't find the large number of deceased until 15 minutes after that. Explain to me how you can revive a child with that many wounds not to mention how many of them were dismembered? NONE of them would have lived NO MATTER WHAT......so shut the front door and stop with this crap that they died because EMT'S were kept out on purpose. You have no idea what you are talking about and look like an absolute fool even bringing it up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19200631


How is it that in Aurora they evacuated dozens of victims out of that active crime scene filled with gas, but for little kids at a school, nothing.

If those first responders really were heros as they claim, they would have done what it takes, in spite of the danger. So you're a hero now for looking at a pile of dead bodies? What a load of bullshit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9916572

In Aurora, the dead were left in the theatre, not taken to hospital, just like Sandy Hook
The first responders did what it takes.
The only bullshit is in your brain.







I am so sick and tired of reading this CRAP about how those kids with 3-11 gun wounds could have been revived. It was an active shooter scene for close to an hour. They did not enter the school till 10 minutes after it started and didn't find the large number of deceased until 15 minutes after that. Explain to me how you can revive a child with that many wounds not to mention how many of them were dismembered? NONE of them would have lived NO MATTER WHAT......so shut the front door and stop with this crap that they died because EMT'S were kept out on purpose. You have no idea what you are talking about and look like an absolute fool even bringing it up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19200631


How does being dismembered have anything to do with it? You can't live without a hand or foot now? Unless their heads were decapitated, there really isn't any excuse for not trying to render some kind of care. That's just what their procedures say.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9916572

NOT WITH MCI DEATHS, IT DOES NOT!
GET YOUR SHIT STRAIGHT BEFORE FLAPPING JAWS LIKE BIG BIRD!
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I am so sick and tired of reading this CRAP about how those kids with 3-11 gun wounds could have been revived. It was an active shooter scene for close to an hour. They did not enter the school till 10 minutes after it started and didn't find the large number of deceased until 15 minutes after that. Explain to me how you can revive a child with that many wounds not to mention how many of them were dismembered? NONE of them would have lived NO MATTER WHAT......so shut the front door and stop with this crap that they died because EMT'S were kept out on purpose. You have no idea what you are talking about and look like an absolute fool even bringing it up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19200631


How does being dismembered have anything to do with it? You can't live without a hand or foot now? Unless their heads were decapitated, there really isn't any excuse for not trying to render some kind of care. That's just what their procedures say.
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What that means is by the time they found them they had bled to death. They were all dead within 5 minutes so finding them 20 -30 minutes later and saying they could have been saved is plain stupid.
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I am so sick and tired of reading this CRAP about how those kids with 3-11 gun wounds could have been revived. It was an active shooter scene for close to an hour. They did not enter the school till 10 minutes after it started and didn't find the large number of deceased until 15 minutes after that. Explain to me how you can revive a child with that many wounds not to mention how many of them were dismembered? NONE of them would have lived NO MATTER WHAT......so shut the front door and stop with this crap that they died because EMT'S were kept out on purpose. You have no idea what you are talking about and look like an absolute fool even bringing it up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19200631


How does being dismembered have anything to do with it? You can't live without a hand or foot now? Unless their heads were decapitated, there really isn't any excuse for not trying to render some kind of care. That's just what their procedures say.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9916572


What that means is by the time they found them they had bled to death. They were all dead within 5 minutes so finding them 20 -30 minutes later and saying they could have been saved is plain stupid.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19200631


More likely they were all or almost all dead instantly or within a few seconds.

Head and upper chest shots from high powered rifles often do not kill through exsanguination, but from direct trauma to the heart and/or brain that causes the heartbeat to stop instantly or nearly instantly within a few seconds. Even lungshots from high-powered rifles can stop the heart instantly if they are near the heart. This has been measured through testing on animals and a well-known effect on humans, although lungshots may take a little longer at times.

Exsanguination alone requires a minimum of a few minutes to cause the heart to stop, although it can cause unconsciousness due to massive blood pressure decrease rapidly in a few seconds.

For those who have had direct gunshot trauma to the head and/or chest that causes the heart to stop instantly have extremely little chance of being revived anyway, even when it is started immediately.
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Unless every single victim was decapitated, incinerated, or disemboweled, attempt at recussitation should have been made.

If I'm a parent of a victim, they better damn well have done everything possible to revive my kid.

Just looking at him and saying, 'yup, looks dead" ain't good enough.

Who checked all 26 victims for signs of life and how long did that take?

Can any of you soulless shill bastards answer that?
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Unless every single victim was decapitated, incinerated, or disemboweled, attempt at recussitation should have been made.

If I'm a parent of a victim, they better damn well have done everything possible to revive my kid.

Just looking at him and saying, 'yup, looks dead" ain't good enough.

Who checked all 26 victims for signs of life and how long did that take?

Can any of you soulless shill bastards answer that?
 Quoting: Glaaad-eee-ooo 36479030


Well there is emotion of what you think should be done, and then there is how the world really works. In MCI protocol, the dead are usually not CPR. They are 'black tag.' If you disagree with all this, you should run for Sugeon General and change the protocols, but really when you got to that level of education youd realize the protocols are what they are for a reason. Ive read that multiple law enforcement did the checking of the victims and separated dead from injured.

And you call someone who understands this issue a soulless shill bastard, when you do not understand the issue? Thats a problem within you, not the others. They are not soulless bastards for knowing how things work. Thats is a very bad insult that only makes you look bad to those who know what they are talking about.
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Columbian Poster:

You say "In MCI protocol, the dead are not usually CPR."

That's what I'm asking: who determined that they were dead? How long did that take?

You also say "I've read that multiple law enforcement did the checking on the victims and separated dead from injured."

If you would be kind enough to post some links regarding MCI protocol as well as whatever info have related to checking the victims.

It is customary to post the source of the information you cite.

With regard to soulless shill bastards, they're on this site in droves. Maybe you haven't noticed. If you are not one, then obviously I wasn't addressing you. But thanks for attempting to answer anyway.
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If there are twenty-six people with gunshot wounds to be checked for vital signs how is it possible that there is no evidence of blood on anyone coming out of the school?
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Columbian Poster:

You say "In MCI protocol, the dead are not usually CPR."

That's what I'm asking: who determined that they were dead? How long did that take?

You also say "I've read that multiple law enforcement did the checking on the victims and separated dead from injured."

If you would be kind enough to post some links regarding MCI protocol as well as whatever info have related to checking the victims.

It is customary to post the source of the information you cite.

With regard to soulless shill bastards, they're on this site in droves. Maybe you haven't noticed. If you are not one, then obviously I wasn't addressing you. But thanks for attempting to answer anyway.
 Quoting: Adio-Glay 36479030


The officers scoured the room for any other gunmen, then searched for signs of life among the children. One little girl had a pulse and was breathing.

[link to www.officer.com]

Google MCI Protocol yourself.........
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Columbian Poster:

You say "In MCI protocol, the dead are not usually CPR."

That's what I'm asking: who determined that they were dead? How long did that take?

You also say "I've read that multiple law enforcement did the checking on the victims and separated dead from injured."

If you would be kind enough to post some links regarding MCI protocol as well as whatever info have related to checking the victims.

It is customary to post the source of the information you cite.

With regard to soulless shill bastards, they're on this site in droves. Maybe you haven't noticed. If you are not one, then obviously I wasn't addressing you. But thanks for attempting to answer anyway.
 Quoting: Adio-Glay 36479030


The officers scoured the room for any other gunmen, then searched for signs of life among the children. One little girl had a pulse and was breathing.

[link to www.officer.com]

Google MCI Protocol yourself.........
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Thats a good article, and heres another with very good idea of how it unfolded:
[link to www.nytimes.com]
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The officers scoured the room for any other gunmen, then searched for signs of life among the children. One little girl had a pulse and was breathing.

[link to www.officer.com]

Google MCI Protocol yourself.........
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19200631


How does one check the vital signs of twenty-six gunshot victims (each of whom were shot multiple times) without getting bloody oneself? There was no sign of blood on any person coming out of the school.
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but I thought that no kids really died?
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If there are twenty-six people with gunshot wounds to be checked for vital signs how is it possible that there is no evidence of blood on anyone coming out of the school?
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^^^^YES!! Winner! Winner! Winner!^^^^

This is a simple question that has never been answered?????

Where is the "BLOOD"? Simple enough...with all those LE's and support force that had come in contact with the carnage....someone should have a picture of one of our poor souls who did their damn'dst to save these little ones.....someone should have come out of that building with "blood on them"....right? So where is my pulitzer prized picture of officer what's his/her name.....with tears in their eyes and fear on their faces of the atrocities they had been exposed to. I mean, alot of these guys did have to take some time off to deal with their mental state, right?

But "every single one" of these fine representatives of the emergency teams.......not a drop of blood?! hmmmmmm
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If there are twenty-six people with gunshot wounds to be checked for vital signs how is it possible that there is no evidence of blood on anyone coming out of the school?
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^^^^YES!! Winner! Winner! Winner!^^^^

This is a simple question that has never been answered?????

Where is the "BLOOD"? Simple enough...with all those LE's and support force that had come in contact with the carnage....someone should have a picture of one of our poor souls who did their damn'dst to save these little ones.....someone should have come out of that building with "blood on them"....right? So where is my pulitzer prized picture of officer what's his/her name.....with tears in their eyes and fear on their faces of the atrocities they had been exposed to. I mean, alot of these guys did have to take some time off to deal with their mental state, right?

But "every single one" of these fine representatives of the emergency teams.......not a drop of blood?! hmmmmmm
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You, like so many others who have been questioning this event, transform your misunderstanding into pseudo-facts and theories.

Were you there looking at the law enforcement who checked the victims and who helped the injured, to check them for the blood they had on them?
No, you werent.

Do you really expect media pictures of officers with victims' blood on them?
I sure hope you dont but I be dammed I think thats what it sounds like...
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OP is an internet terrorist, terrorizing people from the internet.

If Karin Halstead or anyone else from Newtown/Sandy Hook reads this: please know that this forum 'does not discriminate against the mentally ill', so they flock here. 'Do not take anything you read at this forum seriously.' Its all in the disclaimer to this website.

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