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Renegade (Me too) User ID: 36457573 United States 03/19/2013 06:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I run a mortgage brokerage (The housing bust was the banks' fault for creating those stupid-ass loans and the government's for forcing us all to make them, so back off with your shots at the little guys. That's not what this is about). Quoting: ReVbo™ Anyway, I got a pretty panicked call from one of my investors, a large West Coast wholesale lender, about an hour ago imploring me to lock all of my loans immediately because they anticipate a "significant rate hike" tomorrow, and when I asked if it was tied to the recent Cyprus unpleasantness, my account manager said he thinks so, but nobody told him exactly why. My question is: Bernanke has said, on many occasions, he has no plans to raise rates anytime soon, and as we have seen mentioned, ad nauseum, for at least a couple years, to raise rates right now would be shooting our economy in the head. Did Cyprus change the game? I just can't see the Fed raising rates right now. Could this mess rock the market so much that rates float up on their own? I'm about as panicked as I can be, after 5 years of watching this stuff every day, which is not very panicked given all the false starts, about the possibilities of Cyprus kicking off the derivative bomb we've all been looking for, but I have a hard time seeing our domestic interest rates going up much anytime soon. What do y'all think? Coming from you Rev, i take this seriously. But I can't make the connection of the derivative bomb and higher interests. Explain? Who is John Galt? |
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Resister User ID: 1461638 United States 03/19/2013 06:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I run a mortgage brokerage (The housing bust was the banks' fault for creating those stupid-ass loans and the government's for forcing us all to make them, so back off with your shots at the little guys. That's not what this is about). Quoting: ReVbo™ Anyway, I got a pretty panicked call from one of my investors, a large West Coast wholesale lender, about an hour ago imploring me to lock all of my loans immediately because they anticipate a "significant rate hike" tomorrow, and when I asked if it was tied to the recent Cyprus unpleasantness, my account manager said he thinks so, but nobody told him exactly why. My question is: Bernanke has said, on many occasions, he has no plans to raise rates anytime soon, and as we have seen mentioned, ad nauseum, for at least a couple years, to raise rates right now would be shooting our economy in the head. Did Cyprus change the game? I just can't see the Fed raising rates right now. Could this mess rock the market so much that rates float up on their own? I'm about as panicked as I can be, after 5 years of watching this stuff every day, which is not very panicked given all the false starts, about the possibilities of Cyprus kicking off the derivative bomb we've all been looking for, but I have a hard time seeing our domestic interest rates going up much anytime soon. What do y'all think? I think I may call my loan company to lock in a rate before closing on a property in the next couple of weeks. Seriously, I just got approved for a loan for land and was just reading the notice this morning that I could "lock in" any time before closing which is currently supposed to happen March 31st. Thanks for the heads up. It may not change between now and a couple of weeks anyway, but it sure as heck isn't going down. Can't hurt to lock in now. "God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787 |
Lady Jane Smith Forum Administrator User ID: 1305009 United States 03/19/2013 06:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Raising interest rates in the USA to 0.75% p/year would be enough to destroy the whole world economy in a matter of weeks... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36517690 It would take very little to send everything toppling considering the fragility of the global economy. The current demand is highly elastic, and increase in the cost of $ will have a geometric impact & usher in a halt to any "recovery" activities. Fate whispers to the warrior "You cannot withstand the storm" the warrior whispers back "I am the storm" INTJ-A |
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Nickadeemus User ID: 30688699 United States 03/19/2013 06:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The only thing I could think of to set off a rise in interest rates would be some kind of domino reaction in derivatives disney land. Maybe related to interest rate derivatives? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 961432 If the banks figure they might lose on interest rate bets they made, I suppose it's possible they would raise rates. But honestly, I can't think of any other reason they would do that. . I take that back. Perhaps, the geniuses at the marriner eccles building have finally reached the conclusion that the liquidation value of perpetual debt threshold has been reached. Thinking it is related to the prevailing interest rates at the present, they intend to raise interest rates to avoid catastrophe. When in point of fact it was the serial halving of interest rates that occurred from it's decade high in late 2007 of around 5.8% down to current record lows of near 0%. All the debt issued in that time frame would have to be doubled for each time the interest rate was halved to arrive at the total liquidation value of perpetual debt over that time period. In other words, its too damn late now. [link to www.safehaven.com] . The most intelligent possibility thus far injected. Well said sir/maam! It's kind of like the FED is a turtle on it's back. Nick® Just passing on some often ignored wisdom from Fekete. I think he has been shockingly right all along. Best of luck to you and yours. . And as well to you and yours. Nick® Pure Life; Get it on... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36417394 United States 03/19/2013 06:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Coming from you Rev, i take this seriously. But I can't make the connection of the derivative bomb and higher interests. Explain? Quoting: Renegade (Me too) If I may... long story short, bond prices fall, yields rise. This is all about keeping the bondholders secure at everyone else's expense, gig up, game over. |
Nickadeemus User ID: 30688699 United States 03/19/2013 06:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: ReVbo™ Thanks, Jane. That's what I've been thinking. I don't know what has these guys so spooked, but I thought it was worth discussing. Either way, this Cyprus thing smells really bad. Agree. This may certainly be viewed as the trigger when we reflect back in several years. If we are able to reflect back, that is. Man...Granted, I'm sleepy, but you just knocked the crap out of my desensedoomed brain. Very surreal to think of reflection not being possible. Good to see you M'Lady. Looking dashing and dapper as usual. Nick® Hi Nick!! Just got out of the bubble bath. Hugs! So good to see you ma'am. Think Revbo might be on to something here. Good thing some one gave him a pin. ;-> Nick® Pure Life; Get it on... |
Lady Jane Smith Forum Administrator User ID: 1305009 United States 03/19/2013 06:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Lady Jane Smith Agree. This may certainly be viewed as the trigger when we reflect back in several years. If we are able to reflect back, that is. Man...Granted, I'm sleepy, but you just knocked the crap out of my desensedoomed brain. Very surreal to think of reflection not being possible. Good to see you M'Lady. Looking dashing and dapper as usual. Nick® Hi Nick!! Just got out of the bubble bath. Hugs! So good to see you ma'am. Think Revbo might be on to something here. Good thing some one gave him a pin. ;-> Nick® We will have to see, an increase will have a slowing effect on spending, but could prove to encourage people not to empty their accounts. Will not work on me. I will not keep my savings in for a stinking 2% and face a serious threat of losing everything. Fate whispers to the warrior "You cannot withstand the storm" the warrior whispers back "I am the storm" INTJ-A |
Nickadeemus User ID: 30688699 United States 03/19/2013 06:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Raising interest rates in the USA to 0.75% p/year would be enough to destroy the whole world economy in a matter of weeks... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36517690 It would take very little to send everything toppling considering the fragility of the global economy. The current demand is highly elastic, and increase in the cost of $ will have a geometric impact & usher in a halt to any "recovery" activities. Let's not forget also that this Cypress business is not being conducted within the same "Hush/secret/sweepunder rug" parameters as was Greece. This is WAY more in the open which begs the question. Was it intentional? Nick® Pure Life; Get it on... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1482838 United States 03/19/2013 06:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If depositors take their money a bank has no choice but to raise rates to attract the deposits. If all the banks in a town are experiencing loss of account holders, first one, then another will raise the savings paid on long term deposits. They can not afford to monetize all the accounts, they HAVE to try to keep them in place. |
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Nickadeemus User ID: 30688699 United States 03/19/2013 06:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Nickadeemus Man...Granted, I'm sleepy, but you just knocked the crap out of my desensedoomed brain. Very surreal to think of reflection not being possible. Good to see you M'Lady. Looking dashing and dapper as usual. Nick® Hi Nick!! Just got out of the bubble bath. Hugs! So good to see you ma'am. Think Revbo might be on to something here. Good thing some one gave him a pin. ;-> Nick® We will have to see, an increase will have a slowing effect on spending, but could prove to encourage people not to empty their accounts. Will not work on me. I will not keep my savings in for a stinking 2% and face a serious threat of losing everything. same here!!! I was just telling Rev earlier that I needed to get my $ in the bank back down to a manageable level. Nick® Pure Life; Get it on... |
ReVbo™ (OP) User ID: 36513487 United States 03/19/2013 06:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I run a mortgage brokerage (The housing bust was the banks' fault for creating those stupid-ass loans and the government's for forcing us all to make them, so back off with your shots at the little guys. That's not what this is about). Quoting: ReVbo™ Anyway, I got a pretty panicked call from one of my investors, a large West Coast wholesale lender, about an hour ago imploring me to lock all of my loans immediately because they anticipate a "significant rate hike" tomorrow, and when I asked if it was tied to the recent Cyprus unpleasantness, my account manager said he thinks so, but nobody told him exactly why. My question is: Bernanke has said, on many occasions, he has no plans to raise rates anytime soon, and as we have seen mentioned, ad nauseum, for at least a couple years, to raise rates right now would be shooting our economy in the head. Did Cyprus change the game? I just can't see the Fed raising rates right now. Could this mess rock the market so much that rates float up on their own? I'm about as panicked as I can be, after 5 years of watching this stuff every day, which is not very panicked given all the false starts, about the possibilities of Cyprus kicking off the derivative bomb we've all been looking for, but I have a hard time seeing our domestic interest rates going up much anytime soon. What do y'all think? Coming from you Rev, i take this seriously. But I can't make the connection of the derivative bomb and higher interests. Explain? I think we have some folks in here who are better qualified to answer that question than I, but if the debt implosion begins, rates will have to go up to bring investors back into the bond market, if there's a bond market left. I just have a hard time seeing how Bernanke is going to move that quickly, when, as they've been saying all over MSM today, it's just little ole Cyprus. To raise rates right now would be a sign of utter panic on the part of the Fed, and would make things even worse. John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. |
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ReVbo™ (OP) User ID: 36513487 United States 03/19/2013 06:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I run a mortgage brokerage (The housing bust was the banks' fault for creating those stupid-ass loans and the government's for forcing us all to make them, so back off with your shots at the little guys. That's not what this is about). Quoting: ReVbo™ Anyway, I got a pretty panicked call from one of my investors, a large West Coast wholesale lender, about an hour ago imploring me to lock all of my loans immediately because they anticipate a "significant rate hike" tomorrow, and when I asked if it was tied to the recent Cyprus unpleasantness, my account manager said he thinks so, but nobody told him exactly why. My question is: Bernanke has said, on many occasions, he has no plans to raise rates anytime soon, and as we have seen mentioned, ad nauseum, for at least a couple years, to raise rates right now would be shooting our economy in the head. Did Cyprus change the game? I just can't see the Fed raising rates right now. Could this mess rock the market so much that rates float up on their own? I'm about as panicked as I can be, after 5 years of watching this stuff every day, which is not very panicked given all the false starts, about the possibilities of Cyprus kicking off the derivative bomb we've all been looking for, but I have a hard time seeing our domestic interest rates going up much anytime soon. What do y'all think? I think I may call my loan company to lock in a rate before closing on a property in the next couple of weeks. Seriously, I just got approved for a loan for land and was just reading the notice this morning that I could "lock in" any time before closing which is currently supposed to happen March 31st. Thanks for the heads up. It may not change between now and a couple of weeks anyway, but it sure as heck isn't going down. Can't hurt to lock in now. Yeah, if you're gonna close in the next 30 days, it won't hurt at all to lock now. If it's farther out than that, I would do it anyway. It might cost you a quarter of a point, but things are so weird right now, the piece of mind would absolutely be worth it to me. John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. |
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ReVbo™ (OP) User ID: 36513487 United States 03/19/2013 06:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The government here just forced Manulife Financial to raise its rates (they said it was too low, and they didnt want the lenders to do a race to the bottom). Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3937774 So much for a free market. Isnt that called Communism when a government tells a independent company what to do? Fascism, and yeah, that's exactly what this industry is. I've got a form and a regulation for everything. John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 6685296 United States 03/19/2013 06:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anyway, I got a pretty panicked call from one of my investors, a large West Coast wholesale lender, about an hour ago imploring me to lock all of my loans immediately because they anticipate a "significant rate hike" tomorrow, Quoting: ReVbo™ Your investor is a FUCKING DOOMTARD!!! AS would you be if you listened to him! . |
ReVbo™ (OP) User ID: 36513487 United States 03/19/2013 06:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anyway, I got a pretty panicked call from one of my investors, a large West Coast wholesale lender, about an hour ago imploring me to lock all of my loans immediately because they anticipate a "significant rate hike" tomorrow, Quoting: ReVbo™ Your investor is a FUCKING DOOMTARD!!! AS would you be if you listened to him! . John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. |
Useless Cookie Eater User ID: 29696048 United States 03/19/2013 06:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Raising interest rates in the USA to 0.75% p/year would be enough to destroy the whole world economy in a matter of weeks... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36517690 It would take very little to send everything toppling considering the fragility of the global economy. The current demand is highly elastic, and increase in the cost of $ will have a geometric impact & usher in a halt to any "recovery" activities. ^^^ This. ....and traditionally the Fed does 1/4 point moves. .75 is insanity in a box. Last Edited by Useless Cookie Eater on 03/19/2013 06:37 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 961432 United States 03/19/2013 06:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anyway, I got a pretty panicked call from one of my investors, a large West Coast wholesale lender, about an hour ago imploring me to lock all of my loans immediately because they anticipate a "significant rate hike" tomorrow, Quoting: ReVbo™ Your investor is a FUCKING DOOMTARD!!! AS would you be if you listened to him! . Then he'd fit right in on GLP! |
guynur User ID: 36045435 United States 03/19/2013 06:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When I started out in lending, monthly mortgage payments should not exceed 28% of Gross Monthly Income and total debts not to exceed 33% of GMI. Years later to be able to make mortgages available to buyers with low income the government thru Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac lowered the standards. So if a low income buyer came in to buy a house if they fell within the gov't guidelines you pretty much had to make the loan if the credit report was ok. I know loan officers who f-in hated these loans. They knew they were crap. The lenders could have kept the loans in house and not use the gov't guidelines but not many lenders would stick their necks out for 30 year in house loans. Bottom line the gov't reduced mortgage requirements and ended up with quantity vs quality. Think about it. 28%/33% w/20% down. The banks rolled them together and ended up with shit. |
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Useless Cookie Eater User ID: 29696048 United States 03/19/2013 06:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | . Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18850150 I wouldn't be surprised if the Fed raised rates. The Fed lowered rates to cause the housing bubble... then raised rates to burst it. . 100% wrong. Last Edited by Useless Cookie Eater on 03/19/2013 06:49 PM |
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