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Everyone must check in! The Sandy Hook drill

 
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A drill with actors.


Sandy Hook Hoax
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36488541


Scroll down to the bottom of this page that another poster linked, look at the photo gallery slideshow, what do you see around their necks?
[link to crisisactors.org]
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There are some very important points raised in the first video.

Badges, "everyone must check in" sign, porto-potties, and, especially, the lady w/ the green and white ribbon at the 2:25 mark.

 Quoting: Glaaad-eee-ooo 29183454


if you talk about this picture...
[link to utahgunlist.com]

and other from same serial.



i think it's the 20th december...

it's the Wasik family.. with the delicious petite Alexis.
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Re: Everyone must check in! The Sandy Hook drill
A drill with actors.


Sandy Hook Hoax
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36488541


Scroll down to the bottom of this page that another poster linked, look at the photo gallery slideshow, what do you see around their necks?
[link to crisisactors.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22461083


Yes!!! Open your damned eyes people.
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Re: Everyone must check in! The Sandy Hook drill
False claims created by black propaganda disinformation shills have been debunked:


EMS/LE did not follow protocol for a mass shooting
- its been shown they clearly did follow both mass casualty incident and crime scene protocols

AR-15 was in da trunk
- no AR-15 was shown in the trunk, and an AR-15 out by the car in no way means or proves in any way whatsoever that an AR-15 wasnt used in the shooting earlier that day inside the building, as formally stated by CT state police

Man running from police early on
- no one was running in that video clip except for police. The audio in that clip is not original and comes from much earlier in the event.

Chris Rodia
- uninvolved with Sandy Hook, police were calling in information to be looked up as the operator of a vehicle that had been stopped elsewhere for unrelated reasons and heard on the same multi-feed scanner traffic

people were walking around in circles at SHFD, thus actors
- no one has been shown to be walking around in circles. If they were actually doing that, it would have been easy to prove because there would be numerous people coming repeatedly back to the same locations over and over and that didnt happen.


and the overall dumbest one:
Sandy hook was a hoax, nobody died
- 28 people are dead and buried, and at least 1 adult and 6 children saw Adam directly doing the shooting, crime scene photos have been taken and will verify along with detailed police reports and autopsy reports to any legal claims that need verifying. Others involved include teachers, students, police from multiple local state and federal agencies, EMS workers, FIRE dept, medical examiner, family and friends and acqauintances of the victims, medical at the hospital, news crews, and on and on. Far too much evidence that can be presented and far too many wide variety of people involved to sanely claim a hoax/it didnt happen.
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... many people seem to have the same "mobile device" for lack of a better term - it's bigger than a phone and has a little round near the corner.
 Quoting: Bittercritter 26255514


uh great observation!

Gene Rosen has one too!


I think its just a mobile case with normal mobiles, no?..
Are these particulary viral ?

Could be that it is part of the actor package to receive these mobiles to coordinate!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36541523


I never could figure out what it is they are holding.
First thought it was a mobile, then figured it had to be some sort of a notepad.
I would love to see this next clip in a higher resolution.


0:07m

Maybe if someone has a link to a better quality of this fox interview we can determin what it is.
This crappy quality shows 'the device' pretty profound but in poor quality.
 Quoting: Mind Trick Jedi


That's an iphone 5 in a white otter box. A very popular protective case.
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Another thing I find strange about this website [link to crisisactors.org] take a look at the FB social plugin on the right hand side and see who 'likes' their Facebook page.


I have clicked on about 25 names so far. All seem to be foreign students studying in the U.S.

Most of them 'like' the same sites.

Most of them are friends of each other or connected through friends of friends.

A lot of them joined very recently.

Take a look, it's creepy.


Are we to expect a university shooting where many die but really just go back to their own country?

Damn, I need to stop looking before I need a tinfoil hat!
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Chris Rodia
- uninvolved with Sandy Hook, police were calling in information to be looked up as the operator of a vehicle that had been stopped elsewhere for unrelated reasons and heard on the same multi-feed scanner traffic

...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36531508


so listen a "not mixed" radio record
[link to www.youtube.com]

at 1:40


this is not mixed and 872YEO car is Rodia Car.
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Re: Everyone must check in! The Sandy Hook drill
A drill with actors.


Sandy Hook Hoax
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36488541


Scroll down to the bottom of this page that another poster linked, look at the photo gallery slideshow, what do you see around their necks?
[link to crisisactors.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22461083


Yes!!! Open your damned eyes people.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36551676


Yes Open your damn eyes and see whats already been posted!

...
A hoax? because people have badges from their places of work? Idiocy!
For instance, Bill Leukhardt at 0:45 has his badge on from his work @ Hartford Courant
his twitter: [link to twitter.com (secure)]
The nuns at 1:27 and 1:29 have already been identified multiple times here at GLP and have their badges on from St Rose of Lima School.their facebook: [link to www.facebook.com]

With enough work the rest those people could be identified.
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Re: Everyone must check in! The Sandy Hook drill
False claims created by black propaganda disinformation shills have been debunked:

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36531508


You are a liar! A paid shill! Please stop derailing this thread. Someone should ban this guys IP!

Its already clear that this is a psy op, hoax, false flag, drill...whatever you want to call it.


Evidence is mounting!

_____________

A psychologist from sandy hook in a super creepy movie about kids beeing killed?

Thread: Sandy Hook Hoax ->Another Reference in Movie with Daniel Craig / Dream House


The same actors as in other hoaxes:
Thread: "Dead" Christina Taylor Green from Giffords shooting is the same Girl as Carlee Soto from Newtown shooting
[link to postimage.org]
[link to s14.directupload.net]
[link to img685.imageshack.us]


A guy who is in and near Aurora and Sandy Hook and works for the number one anti 2nd amendment guy Bloomberg?
Thread: Guy is shot in Aurora shooting and lives next door to Sandy Hook. Works for Mayor Bloomberg.

Sandy Hook Masacre Movie with an actress who is earily similar to a woman with a child from sandy hook?

[link to s7.directupload.net]

etc. etc.
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and the overall dumbest one:
Sandy hook was a hoax, nobody died
- 28 people are dead and buried, and at least 1 adult and 6 children saw Adam directly doing the shooting, crime scene photos have been taken and will verify along with detailed police reports and autopsy reports to any legal claims that need verifying. Others involved include teachers, students, police from multiple local state and federal agencies, EMS workers, FIRE dept, medical examiner, family and friends and acqauintances of the victims, medical at the hospital, news crews, and on and on. Far too much evidence that can be presented and far too many wide variety of people involved to sanely claim a hoax/it didnt happen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36531508


Pic or no proof? Come on, at least funerals or something? OK, how about death certificates? Come on, some adults supposedly died, can't we at least get those? Please, pretty please!

We got Lanza's I guess, although it indicated he died the day before the shooting. Which is probably accurate.
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Re: Everyone must check in! The Sandy Hook drill
False claims created by black propaganda disinformation shills have been debunked:


EMS/LE did not follow protocol for a mass shooting
- its been shown they clearly did follow both mass casualty incident and crime scene protocols

AR-15 was in da trunk
- no AR-15 was shown in the trunk, and an AR-15 out by the car in no way means or proves in any way whatsoever that an AR-15 wasnt used in the shooting earlier that day inside the building, as formally stated by CT state police

Man running from police early on
- no one was running in that video clip except for police. The audio in that clip is not original and comes from much earlier in the event.

Chris Rodia
- uninvolved with Sandy Hook, police were calling in information to be looked up as the operator of a vehicle that had been stopped elsewhere for unrelated reasons and heard on the same multi-feed scanner traffic

people were walking around in circles at SHFD, thus actors
- no one has been shown to be walking around in circles. If they were actually doing that, it would have been easy to prove because there would be numerous people coming repeatedly back to the same locations over and over and that didnt happen.


and the overall dumbest one:
Sandy hook was a hoax, nobody died
- 28 people are dead and buried, and at least 1 adult and 6 children saw Adam directly doing the shooting, crime scene photos have been taken and will verify along with detailed police reports and autopsy reports to any legal claims that need verifying. Others involved include teachers, students, police from multiple local state and federal agencies, EMS workers, FIRE dept, medical examiner, family and friends and acqauintances of the victims, medical at the hospital, news crews, and on and on. Far too much evidence that can be presented and far too many wide variety of people involved to sanely claim a hoax/it didnt happen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36531508

blablablalblablalbla



you are a shill..everyone knows it..even you.. you have no evidence...NOTHING! lol.. you write in nice sentences etc etc. ..you are hired shill working from a shill handbook... it doesnt work..next shill please you are not worth the money they pay you
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Chris Rodia
- uninvolved with Sandy Hook, police were calling in information to be looked up as the operator of a vehicle that had been stopped elsewhere for unrelated reasons and heard on the same multi-feed scanner traffic

...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36531508


so listen a "not mixed" radio record
[link to www.youtube.com]

at 1:40


this is not mixed and 872YEO car is Rodia Car.
 Quoting: (swiss boy) 31413939


No its not. Those are two different call-ins.

One is an officer at the school calling in the license plate off of the car at the school.

The other which is "Squad 3 to HQ, run the operator He has Fl license, run em in Conn as well, first name is Rodia[spells out last name] Christopher A. DOB is August-6-69" is from a different officer and is unrelated. That is a standard traffic call-in from an officer who has someones driver's license and wants info on the individual. He is calling in information from Rodia's driver's license at a traffic stop so that HQ can give squad 3 info on Rodia such as warrants, license status, etc.

"Squad 3 to HQ" means the officer who has stopped Rodia is calling into dispatch

"run the operator" means 'dispatch, give me info in the driver of the vehicle I have stopped, im giving you information off his driver's license, here it is....'[then calls out name and DOB off Rodia's DL to dispatch for them to check]

"10-4" right behind that is HQ confirming they go the info


In other words, when Rodia's name is being read out, that is an officer calling in to HQ with that name, not the other way around... ie. not someone from HQ giving out info on the license 872YEO, its an officer calling in for info on Rodia.
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Chris Rodia
- uninvolved with Sandy Hook, police were calling in information to be looked up as the operator of a vehicle that had been stopped elsewhere for unrelated reasons and heard on the same multi-feed scanner traffic

...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36531508


so listen a "not mixed" radio record
[link to www.youtube.com]

at 1:40


this is not mixed and 872YEO car is Rodia Car.
 Quoting: (swiss boy) 31413939


No its not. Those are two different call-ins.

One is an officer at the school calling in the license plate off of the car at the school.

The other which is "Squad 3 to HQ, run the operator He has Fl license, run em in Conn as well, first name is Rodia[spells out last name] Christopher A. DOB is August-6-69" is from a different officer and is unrelated. That is a standard traffic call-in from an officer who has someones driver's license and wants info on the individual. He is calling in information from Rodia's driver's license at a traffic stop so that HQ can give squad 3 info on Rodia such as warrants, license status, etc.

"Squad 3 to HQ" means the officer who has stopped Rodia is calling into dispatch

"run the operator" means 'dispatch, give me info in the driver of the vehicle I have stopped, im giving you information off his driver's license, here it is....'[then calls out name and DOB off Rodia's DL to dispatch for them to check]

"10-4" right behind that is HQ confirming they go the info


In other words, when Rodia's name is being read out, that is an officer calling in to HQ with that name, not the other way around... ie. not someone from HQ giving out info on the license 872YEO, its an officer calling in for info on Rodia.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36531508


you could listen ... there is never cross communication like this...

there is other place where someone ask for plate identification.. and the dispatcher always answer 30sec later...
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RODIA CAR NONSENSE IS A RED HERRING

THIS IS NOT COMPLICATED

IT WAS A HOAX. A DRILL. A PSYOP. PERIOD.
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All you people kissing trinity's ass would no doubt drink Jim Jones' kool-aid too.

Idiots.

Trinity would sell you out in an instant.
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No its not. Those are two different call-ins.

One is an officer at the school calling in the license plate off of the car at the school.

The other which is "Squad 3 to HQ, run the operator He has Fl license, run em in Conn as well, first name is Rodia[spells out last name] Christopher A. DOB is August-6-69" is from a different officer and is unrelated. That is a standard traffic call-in from an officer who has someones driver's license and wants info on the individual. He is calling in information from Rodia's driver's license at a traffic stop so that HQ can give squad 3 info on Rodia such as warrants, license status, etc.

"Squad 3 to HQ" means the officer who has stopped Rodia is calling into dispatch

"run the operator" means 'dispatch, give me info in the driver of the vehicle I have stopped, im giving you information off his driver's license, here it is....'[then calls out name and DOB off Rodia's DL to dispatch for them to check]

"10-4" right behind that is HQ confirming they go the info


In other words, when Rodia's name is being read out, that is an officer calling in to HQ with that name, not the other way around... ie. not someone from HQ giving out info on the license 872YEO, its an officer calling in for info on Rodia.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36531508


this! this is the worst debinking talk i've ever read.

i know it was the explanation given by debunker since beginning.

with a lot of arrogance...


but now i've listen hours and hours of radio traffic.
and this is ridiculous explanation.


there is no plate identification ask 30 min before... no plate identification 30 min after...

and by luck, just when someone ask for plate?..another answer for another plate?

sorry.. but Santa Claus is better and strong story.
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Re: Everyone must check in! The Sandy Hook drill
False claims created by black propaganda disinformation shills have been debunked:


EMS/LE did not follow protocol for a mass shooting
- its been shown they clearly did follow both mass casualty incident and crime scene protocols

AR-15 was in da trunk
- no AR-15 was shown in the trunk, and an AR-15 out by the car in no way means or proves in any way whatsoever that an AR-15 wasnt used in the shooting earlier that day inside the building, as formally stated by CT state police

Man running from police early on
- no one was running in that video clip except for police. The audio in that clip is not original and comes from much earlier in the event.

Chris Rodia
- uninvolved with Sandy Hook, police were calling in information to be looked up as the operator of a vehicle that had been stopped elsewhere for unrelated reasons and heard on the same multi-feed scanner traffic

people were walking around in circles at SHFD, thus actors
- no one has been shown to be walking around in circles. If they were actually doing that, it would have been easy to prove because there would be numerous people coming repeatedly back to the same locations over and over and that didnt happen.


and the overall dumbest one:
Sandy hook was a hoax, nobody died
- 28 people are dead and buried, and at least 1 adult and 6 children saw Adam directly doing the shooting, crime scene photos have been taken and will verify along with detailed police reports and autopsy reports to any legal claims that need verifying. Others involved include teachers, students, police from multiple local state and federal agencies, EMS workers, FIRE dept, medical examiner, family and friends and acqauintances of the victims, medical at the hospital, news crews, and on and on. Far too much evidence that can be presented and far too many wide variety of people involved to sanely claim a hoax/it didnt happen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36531508


Really? Who? Name names, please. Wasn't the shooter wearing a mask?


Funny, NO evidence has been presented. What evidence have you seen that the rest of us haven't?
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This is the first time I have seen this video. Is it me or is this done green screen? Watch the mom, who's eyes go a little shape shifting, at 3:25 - is this green screen?

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A hoax? because people have badges from their places of work? Idiocy!
For instance, Bill Leukhardt at 0:45 has his badge on from his work @ Hartford Courant
his twitter: [link to twitter.com (secure)]
The nuns at 1:27 and 1:29 have already been identified multiple times heer at GLP and have their badges on from St Rose of Lima School.their facebook: [link to www.facebook.com]


So you think nobody died, huh?

What kind of evil creatures would try to convince naive people of that?

Maybe we should go dig up the people's graves that were supposed to have died and see if theyre in there, like Fred and Krystal Ann said!

and what exactly happened to the 28 people who were supposed to have died? Are they dressed up as fucking clowns at Disneyworld now?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36531508


Why bother, Dude?

These kiddies with their 'hoax' delusions suffer the same disconnect with reality that Lanza did...

I just hope they are recognized and committed before they go postal too...
 Quoting: SnakeAirlines





Ya Know snake,

Dianne Fienstine could not have said it any better.

Last Edited by FaithsBurden on 03/20/2013 05:14 PM
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it is a machine, one of a grand and diabolically evil design,to ensnare
men and rob them of their destiny.

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Hey, you. Poster from KOREA. Shut the hell up. You are not going to convince us of your bullshit lies. What are you? Military? Your English is too good to be a Korean, so I am guessing you are in the military. Just following orders?
Or, perhaps an ex-pat pedophile?

Either way, you are a creepy mother fucker and you need to go away. You are having ZERO effect in the debunking department. You're FIRED.
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Thanks OP, I have 24 pictures saved of vrious people wearing tags of some sort and the video has 4 that I don't have. Not only that but many people seem to have the same "mobile device" for lack of a better term - it's bigger than a phone and has a little round near the corner. The girl on the left at :47 seconds has one. Often you'll see people trying to hide them beneath something else but they're always checking these things like they're reading a script off them. We need to find out what those little boxes are.
You got banned too? Wth is going on around here?
 Quoting: Bittercritter 26255514


and you have this one?
[link to tinypic.com]
the man with the little black ebony girl from the iconic evacuation photo.
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... many people seem to have the same "mobile device" for lack of a better term - it's bigger than a phone and has a little round near the corner.
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That's an iphone 5 in a white otter box. A very popular protective case.


Thanks, being an upscale community that would make sense. It does seem an unusually high number of the main characters are carrying them though.
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Hey, you. Poster from KOREA. Shut the hell up. You are not going to convince us of your bullshit lies. What are you? Military? Your English is too good to be a Korean, so I am guessing you are in the military. Just following orders?
Or, perhaps an ex-pat pedophile?

Either way, you are a creepy mother fucker and you need to go away. You are having ZERO effect in the debunking department. You're FIRED.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36551676


he is so left handed.. that i start to believe his goal is to stimulate us....
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The little girl never answered the repoter's question about hearing gun shots,I wonder why.
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:emiliesign:
 Quoting: The Sonic Dreamer


That picture is just so disturbing (and so in our faces).
 Quoting: INK3


It's not disturbing. Check this out.
[link to www.google.com (secure)]
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Re: Everyone must check in! The Sandy Hook drill
RODIA CAR NONSENSE IS A RED HERRING

THIS IS NOT COMPLICATED

IT WAS A HOAX. A DRILL. A PSYOP. PERIOD.
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RODIA CAR NONSENSE IS A RED HERRING

THIS IS NOT COMPLICATED

IT WAS A HOAX. A DRILL. A PSYOP. PERIOD.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36551676


what make you say the Rodia nonsense is a red herring?

to lure who? and why?

it's always good to give a reason why we think something.
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The green and white ribbons they started wearing afterwards as a tribute. The ones that all the politicians and media were donning by the 17th...

There's a lady wearing one on the scene at 2:25 into video.

Did these have some significance to Newtown prior to this event?
 Quoting: Propagandiated


Good catch!
Not sure if the vid is from the day of the shootings.. But I guess as the parents to the right are in several interviews from that day.
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I think this was from one of the funerals ...

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 Quoting: Ahatmose


yeah guess so too as they have different clothes
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36541523

I'm not so sure they're at a funeral in jeans and t-shirts with the check-in sign still visible in background.
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Good catch!
Not sure if the vid is from the day of the shootings.. But I guess as the parents to the right are in several interviews from that day.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36488541


I think this was from one of the funerals ...

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 Quoting: Ahatmose


yeah guess so too as they have different clothes
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I'm not so sure they're at a funeral in jeans and t-shirts with the check-in sign still visible in background.
 Quoting: Propagandiated


I guess their contract is over some days. the scene needed to be busy.
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How do they get so many people to remain silent over the fact it was just an excercise? Did they pay each participant handsomely? So many questions... it doesn't make any sense at all.
 Quoting: skyblau


You seem to assume that if they are actors this would be their first event. Don't misunderestimate the power of money.
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Good catch!
Not sure if the vid is from the day of the shootings.. But I guess as the parents to the right are in several interviews from that day.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36488541


I think this was from one of the funerals ...

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 Quoting: Ahatmose


yeah guess so too as they have different clothes
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36541523

I'm not so sure they're at a funeral in jeans and t-shirts with the check-in sign still visible in background.
 Quoting: Propagandiated


yes.. a pix from the 20th dec.
i gave the link.. up in this thread... Wasik family is popular now.

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