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World famous poker player arrested in prostitution sting... who does prostitution hurt anyway??

 
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World famous poker player arrested in prostitution sting... who does prostitution hurt anyway??
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I think it's so shameful that this atrocity is now attached to Mr. Greg Raymer's reputation for life. A misdemeanor; a harmless, victimless crime.

Who does prostitution hurt?

After some research, I found a woman who had this to say:
Melissa Farley, PhD of Prostitution Research & Education, argues that prostitution is hardly a victimless crime. In her "Prostitution: Fact sheet on Human Rights Violations" Farley says that prostitution is sexual harassment, rape, battering, verbal abuse, domestic violence, a racist practice, a violation of human rights, childhood sexual abuse, a consequence of male domination of women and a means of maintaining male domination of women.

Sexual harassment? The woman consented.
Rape? The woman consented. Make it legal, then she can make police reports if the man becomes overly-aggressive.
Battering? The woman consented.
Verbal abuse? Hardly a crime in anyway. Words are just words.
Domestic violence? Oh, this only happens during prostitution?
Racist practice? Wow, really? The only racist is you, Ms. Farley. Only you would reach that far as to pay acknowledgement towards the races of the people involved.
A violation of human rights? THE DAMN WOMAN CONSENTED. SHE KNOWS WHAT SHE'S GETTING HERSELF INTO. AND IF SHE DOESN'T, SHE'LL GROW UP TO BE A PIECE OF SHIT ANYWAY, WHO CARES?? It's not your life.
Childhood sexual abuse? What does money have to do with this? Prostitution is different from sex simply because money is involved. If its statutory rape, then its a different story. Whether or not money was involved is irrelevant.
A consequence of male domination of women and a means of maintaining male domination of women? Tell you what women, we'll dominate you as a gender, and in return, if a cruise ship is ever sinking, you and the children will be rescued first. Oh wait, that already is happening. By the way, this is Ms. Farley's response to general prostitution. She was not asked about FEMALE PROSTITUTION. She, herself, decided to dominate males over females by only paying acknowledgement towards to males who take advantage of women.


It just makes me sick that this harmless crime has extremely hindered this nice guy's reputation.
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Re: World famous poker player arrested in prostitution sting... who does prostitution hurt anyway??
why should the news be allowed to expose him like this? is this right?
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Re: World famous poker player arrested in prostitution sting... who does prostitution hurt anyway??
In my opinion you should go bang your brains out against a wall.

Who gives a shit about poker players? Star struck morons?
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why should the news be allowed to expose him like this? is this right?
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It's right and then some.
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In my opinion you should go bang your brains out against a wall.

Who gives a shit about poker players? Star struck morons?
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I play poker for a living. 75% of the people who succeed in it aren't even known; to say they are "star struck" is a very ignorant comment.
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why should the news be allowed to expose him like this? is this right?
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It's right and then some.
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Please elaborate.
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In my opinion you should go bang your brains out against a wall.

Who gives a shit about poker players? Star struck morons?
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I play poker for a living. 75% of the people who succeed in it aren't even known; to say they are "star struck" is a very ignorant comment.
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What strikes me is how you manage to make a living out of poker.
I am a poker player too, never managed to win more than I loose though.
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why should the news be allowed to expose him like this? is this right?
 Quoting: billfountain 32199544


It's right and then some.
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Please elaborate.
 Quoting: billfountain 32199544


First of all.

A succesful poker player has money. Believes money can buy humans. Tries to buy a woman.

Need I elaborate further?

He is probably socially retarded. Like all other morons who don't see any wrong in prostitution.
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I think it's so shameful that this atrocity is now attached to Mr. Greg Raymer's reputation for life. A misdemeanor; a harmless, victimless crime.

Who does prostitution hurt?

After some research, I found a woman who had this to say:
Melissa Farley, PhD of Prostitution Research & Education, argues that prostitution is hardly a victimless crime. In her "Prostitution: Fact sheet on Human Rights Violations" Farley says that prostitution is sexual harassment, rape, battering, verbal abuse, domestic violence, a racist practice, a violation of human rights, childhood sexual abuse, a consequence of male domination of women and a means of maintaining male domination of women.

Sexual harassment? The woman consented.
Rape? The woman consented. Make it legal, then she can make police reports if the man becomes overly-aggressive.
Battering? The woman consented.
Verbal abuse? Hardly a crime in anyway. Words are just words.
Domestic violence? Oh, this only happens during prostitution?
Racist practice? Wow, really? The only racist is you, Ms. Farley. Only you would reach that far as to pay acknowledgement towards the races of the people involved.
A violation of human rights? THE DAMN WOMAN CONSENTED. SHE KNOWS WHAT SHE'S GETTING HERSELF INTO. AND IF SHE DOESN'T, SHE'LL GROW UP TO BE A PIECE OF SHIT ANYWAY, WHO CARES?? It's not your life.
Childhood sexual abuse? What does money have to do with this? Prostitution is different from sex simply because money is involved. If its statutory rape, then its a different story. Whether or not money was involved is irrelevant.
A consequence of male domination of women and a means of maintaining male domination of women? Tell you what women, we'll dominate you as a gender, and in return, if a cruise ship is ever sinking, you and the children will be rescued first. Oh wait, that already is happening. By the way, this is Ms. Farley's response to general prostitution. She was not asked about FEMALE PROSTITUTION. She, herself, decided to dominate males over females by only paying acknowledgement towards to males who take advantage of women.


It just makes me sick that this harmless crime has extremely hindered this nice guy's reputation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32199544



It depends the kind of prostitution...
Some prostitutes are indeed totally consent and have chosen to be prostitute.
But others are not consent and victims of modern slavery from networks (african network, east european network...).
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Re: World famous poker player arrested in prostitution sting... who does prostitution hurt anyway??
why should the news be allowed to expose him like this? is this right?
 Quoting: billfountain 32199544


It's right and then some.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33722154


Please elaborate.
 Quoting: billfountain 32199544


First of all.

A succesful poker player has money. Believes money can buy humans. Tries to buy a woman.

Need I elaborate further?

He is probably socially retarded. Like all other morons who don't see any wrong in prostitution.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33722154



He didn't try to "buy a woman". You're making it sound like slavery. The woman offered sex for money, he accepted, and got busted. I think this is wrong.

Yes, you need to elaborate further. He probably does lack in social skill, and yes I do as well. If it makes you feel better to criticize me for having social anxiety, then so be it.

However, I still see nothing wrong with common prostitution. It would be awesome if you could actually justify yourself with logic instead of criticism.
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why should the news be allowed to expose him like this? is this right?
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Expose him? I thought you were suggesting there is nothing wrong with it and he shouldn't feel any shame. So which is it, perfectly moral or shameful?
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Re: World famous poker player arrested in prostitution sting... who does prostitution hurt anyway??
why should the news be allowed to expose him like this? is this right?
 Quoting: billfountain 32199544


It's right and then some.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33722154


Please elaborate.
 Quoting: billfountain 32199544


First of all.

A succesful poker player has money. Believes money can buy humans. Tries to buy a woman.

Need I elaborate further?

He is probably socially retarded. Like all other morons who don't see any wrong in prostitution.
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They aren't "buying" anyone, it's called renting.
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Re: World famous poker player arrested in prostitution sting... who does prostitution hurt anyway??
why should the news be allowed to expose him like this? is this right?
 Quoting: billfountain 32199544


Expose him? I thought you were suggesting there is nothing wrong with it and he shouldn't feel any shame. So which is it, perfectly moral or shameful?
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Regardless if it's moral or not, it's embarrassing... The news is basically saying "Hey see this guy? He can't get girls on his own so he has to pay them. Now someone go put it on his wiki page so it can be remembered forever."

It's now attached to his reputation because society has MADE it something shameful. So I believe the word "expose" is the correct one.

I don't think it's perfectly moral (Thanks for putting words in my mouth btw), I simply think it is a victimless crime, and that the whole world doesn't need to know about it.
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He didn't try to "buy a woman". You're making it sound like slavery. The woman offered sex for money, he accepted, and got busted. I think this is wrong.


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Really, why? You exchange your physical labor for money everyday don't you. In other words renting out you body.The only people this hurts, are lawyers and politicians, who believe that they are the only ones that can charge people to screw them.
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Re: World famous poker player arrested in prostitution sting... who does prostitution hurt anyway??
prostitution hurts in the very same way that people are prostituted for money. Ie that they are slaves to money, and think that money buys love.
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He didn't try to "buy a woman". You're making it sound like slavery. The woman offered sex for money, he accepted, and got busted. I think this is wrong.


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Really, why? You exchange your physical labor for money everyday don't you. In other words renting out you body.The only people this hurts, are lawyers and politicians, who believe that they are the only ones that can charge people to screw them.
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Actually, I've already mentioned that I play poker for a living, so no I do not exchange physical labor for money.
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Ugly fat dudes need love too.
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Ugly fat dudes need love too.
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Exactly. and if a woman is willing to accept his cash, who's being harmed??
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Who cares if he paid a prostitute. Millions of men spend thousands of dollars on their girlfriends and wives each year with the sole purpose on some purchases that it will get them laid.

At least hookers are up-front with their business intentions and make it easy by just doing a cash transaction.

For a guy like Raymer, it's probably much easier to just pay for it than get on the dating scene, etc.
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Ugly fat dudes need love too.
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Exactly. and if a woman is willing to accept his cash, who's being harmed??
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Arresting someone for trying to get a bj..just another way for them to make money.
And the LORD spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin, then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it." Amen.
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[link to abclocal.go.com]

I think it's so shameful that this atrocity is now attached to Mr. Greg Raymer's reputation for life. A misdemeanor; a harmless, victimless crime.

Who does prostitution hurt?

After some research, I found a woman who had this to say:
Melissa Farley, PhD of Prostitution Research & Education, argues that prostitution is hardly a victimless crime. In her "Prostitution: Fact sheet on Human Rights Violations" Farley says that prostitution is sexual harassment, rape, battering, verbal abuse, domestic violence, a racist practice, a violation of human rights, childhood sexual abuse, a consequence of male domination of women and a means of maintaining male domination of women.

Sexual harassment? The woman consented.
Rape? The woman consented. Make it legal, then she can make police reports if the man becomes overly-aggressive.
Battering? The woman consented.
Verbal abuse? Hardly a crime in anyway. Words are just words.
Domestic violence? Oh, this only happens during prostitution?
Racist practice? Wow, really? The only racist is you, Ms. Farley. Only you would reach that far as to pay acknowledgement towards the races of the people involved.
A violation of human rights? THE DAMN WOMAN CONSENTED. SHE KNOWS WHAT SHE'S GETTING HERSELF INTO. AND IF SHE DOESN'T, SHE'LL GROW UP TO BE A PIECE OF SHIT ANYWAY, WHO CARES?? It's not your life.
Childhood sexual abuse? What does money have to do with this? Prostitution is different from sex simply because money is involved. If its statutory rape, then its a different story. Whether or not money was involved is irrelevant.
A consequence of male domination of women and a means of maintaining male domination of women? Tell you what women, we'll dominate you as a gender, and in return, if a cruise ship is ever sinking, you and the children will be rescued first. Oh wait, that already is happening. By the way, this is Ms. Farley's response to general prostitution. She was not asked about FEMALE PROSTITUTION. She, herself, decided to dominate males over females by only paying acknowledgement towards to males who take advantage of women.


It just makes me sick that this harmless crime has extremely hindered this nice guy's reputation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32199544


Nothing at all wrong with being a poke'er player....really ;)

Seriously, as soon as autonomous robots start rolling out in our society one the first things to do, besides building fembots, would be to replace all the corrupt officials as well that abused the system and jail them for life.
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why should the news be allowed to expose him like this? is this right?
 Quoting: billfountain 32199544


It's right and then some.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33722154


Please elaborate.
 Quoting: billfountain 32199544


First of all.

A succesful poker player has money. Believes money can buy humans. Tries to buy a woman.

Need I elaborate further?

He is probably socially retarded. Like all other morons who don't see any wrong in prostitution.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33722154


MOST don't see anything wrong with sex for money. What would be considered wrong by most if the deed involved acts of violence. That kinda thing is common in 3rd world countries, but not in the west.
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Whores don't pay taxes...they want that money....if they paid taxes on earnings we could all be whores... 5a
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[qunote:Anonymous Coward 1211208:MV8yMTc0MTY5XzM2OTYwNTMwX0M2ODRBODNF]
Whores don't pay taxes...they want that money....if they paid taxes on earnings we could all be whores... 5a



Bingo!!!!!! Untaxed income

If it ain't taxed, it's illegal. Main reason pot is illegal, gov aint making no $$
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Ugly fat dudes need love too.
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Exactly. and if a woman is willing to accept his cash, who's being harmed??
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Only ugly, fat women, who cannot get that dude now.

Or at the very least, his attention.
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If people were not forcing some women into prostitution, they would be killing them and selling their organs.

Or selling them for slaves (which is still happening, and sometimes voluntarily).
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It should be legal. Two consenting adults, behind closed doors. Who outside knows what happens or why is it their business? I'm totally Libertarian on this issue. As long as no one is being unwillingly hurt, it isn't my concern nor that of the police. I just think it should be kept totally discreet by the parties involved and out of the sight of others.
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Stop with the meme that prostitutes are for "fat ugly guys who can't get laid"

Men with a lot of success, status and money go to prostitutes because they can afford to indulge.

Is Charlie Sheen a fat ugly guy who can't get laid?

How about Sting? (seen coming out of a German brothel a few years ago)

How about Bill Clinton? (item on a gossip page from a Nevada madam said he was a regular customer)

and on and on.
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...and how is this poker player arrested for soliciting prostitution... when there was no prostitute?!?!

There was a cop pretending to be one.

But no real prostitute.

So what prostitute did he solicit exactly?
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A prostitute is a woman going to waste. She should be having a child instead. In times past this was true, but today the world is too fucked up to bring another child into it.
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...and how is this poker player arrested for soliciting prostitution... when there was no prostitute?!?!

There was a cop pretending to be one.

But no real prostitute.

So what prostitute did he solicit exactly?
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Sounds more like entrapment.
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