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DHS Refuses to Answer Congress on 1.6 Billion Bullet Purchase

 
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as soon as the unemployment checks all stop, the riots begin
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They will probably need all these bullets to protect the bankers once they start confiscating bank accounts ala Cyprus. They used to at least hide their theft with inflation, taxes, bailouts, etc but now they seem to not even feel like they need to bother being subtle about it...
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Unless I missed it, the one thing I haven't see commented about is the fact that the .40cal round, hollowpoint or FMJ, is a close combat round. These rounds are primarily pistol rounds, intended to be used at ranges of 50 yards or less. Granted, they can kill at far greater distances, but for all intents and purposes, the rounds are intended to be used at short range, like with in the confines of homes and businesses. To me, this is the most disturbing aspect of all, the fact that DHS intends to use them up close and personal. When the SHTF, all who own, and are proficient with center-fire rifles, will be in great demand(to the rest of you).
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Sounds like I will have plenty of .40 cal hollowpoint to trade after they come to my place.
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Getting ready for the zombie apocalypse. Thats why its now legal to shoot civilians.
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It would be nice if there was a real military strategist who could actually do an analysis of this purchase.

I am sure the info is there, as the US has to supply weapons and bullets to their military they would easily know the following:

How many armed officers are there.

How many guns each has

How many rounds each hold.

Standard amount of backup on active duty

Standard amount of inventory per officer

Standard amount used in regular practice.

But more importantly, 1.6billion sounds like a lot. It would be telling to see the number of bullets required per death in theaters such as Afghanistan and Iraq.

Once you deduct the 'normal' amount then you can see what number of people they perceive as a threat in the US.

I get the hollow point is not normal either, but I think it' much more important to figure out how much 1.6billion bullets is in terms of potential lives.
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From public information:


In 2008, DHS employed about 55,000 weapons authorized law enforcement officers:

"At the Cabinet department level, component agencies of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), including U.S. Customs and Border Protection, employed about 55,000 officers or 46% of all as of with arrest and firearms authority in 2008. Agencies of the Department of Justice (DOJ) employed 33.1% of all officers, followed by other executive branch agencies (12.3%), the judicial branch (4.0%), the independent agencies (3.6%) and the legislative branch (1.5%)."

[link to usgovinfo.about.com]

[link to bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov]

That was in 2008 when DHS employed a total of about 190,000 employees. P. 118 [link to www.dhs.gov] They now have 230,000 employees, so probably 60,000 DHS armed employees today .

A search on the number of weapons, reveals that information is classified :

"2 We did not include the number of firearms in TSA’s inventory because this information is protected as Sensitive Security Information under 49 CFR 1520.5(b)(8) (ii). We also did not list the total number of firearms in DHS’ inventory to protect TSA’s Sensitive Security Information. "
[link to www.oig.dhs.gov]

The USMC is close in size (202,000) to the DHS (although most USMC personnel fire weapons).

The Marine Corps shoots over 70 million rounds of M16 ball in training annually (their primary weapon ammunition).

[link to www.marcorsyscom.usmc.mil]

In addition the USMC is currently fighting a war and must train for maximum combat effectiveness which means a lot of training ammunition is used at present.

DHS uses 15 million rounds for training annually

"Training requires the use of approximately 15 million rounds of ammunition annually."

[link to www.fletc.gov]

15 million goes into 1.6 billion 100 plus times.

The DHS math on the training excuse does not add up.
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Bingo!!!
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so NO ANSWER???????


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Why doesn't someone start a Whitehouse petition to address this exact issue?
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I was told these petitions have to be addressed after they reach so many signers BUT I think this is BS since I remember most of the states receding from the union and don't remember that being addressed.
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bump

Bump for link above ( 7th bullet here [link to www.fletc.gov] ) DHS training needs posted on DHS site- 15 million rounds per year. 1.6 billion is a 100 year supply!

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Re: DHS Refuses to Answer Congress on 1.6 Billion Bullet Purchase
Why doesn't someone start a Whitehouse petition to address this exact issue?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34973499


I was told these petitions have to be addressed after they reach so many signers BUT I think this is BS since I remember most of the states receding from the union and don't remember that being addressed.
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petitions do nothing. even if you got the required number of votes they always give some bs excuse like why dont you ask dhs or we cant give you intel on national security. strength in numbers is what will change things.