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BOND CRASH Dead AHEAD...."Investors Have NO IDEA What’s ABOUT To Happen"

 
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are pensions at risk ?



damned
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everything is at risk...you don't hold it, ya don't own it.


Gold/silver > cash in hand > 1s and 0s on screen
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OP said 2015
whatever
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my personal OUTSIDE timeline...hell for all I know it's tomorrow.
Thanks to whomever upgraded my account!
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are pensions at risk ?



damned
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YUP...
The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.
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Stop teasing OP. We have been hearing this for years now.
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It's very close now but I don't think yer gonna like it.bump
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buttttttttt it is ever so sexy as it teasing you into insanity! lol
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Wasn't there a guy, that predicted that bonds would crash first?
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you're probably thinking of greg mannarino
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yep, he's the guy. he also said that our $16.5 trillion dollar debt must be repaid. think about that for a minute.
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OP said 2015
whatever
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my personal OUTSIDE timeline...hell for all I know it's tomorrow.
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their keeping this mess propped up for a reason. it's all a timing game if you ask me. But they will pull the rug out in the near future.
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The only thing of real value is food and shelter. Everything else is "opinion" oriented.

Me personally, I have no use for "gold"...I can't eat it...I don't know how to make anything from it. I know there are people that think it is valuable because it is scarce...and because of that I will keep some.

Gold is a sytem of standards based purely on arrogance. "I have this rare stuff and you know you want some of it".

Give me food, shelter, some over the counter medication (cold remedies, peroxide, antihistamines), booze and non-electrical hand tools and I will have all I need to trade and barter with.

We have it ingrained within us to see "gold" as the base of value...but it isn't. It was something dreamed up ages ago as a standard...a way of measuring the cost of labor.

I am n the process of reading Adam Smith's "The Wealth of Nations"...and if you have never done so...I seriously suggest you do. It will make things perfectly clear on what has real value...
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Here we go again.....it is always some sort of doom around here. Unless the Govt declares all derivatives null and void in any way shape or form then the banks have the entire planet by the balls PERIOD. A few huge adjustments in the markets of the world will NOT end everything. No doom here only hype once again......
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bumpbumpbump
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It's manipulation dumbass.JP Morgan has been shorting precious metals for years to keep prices down and the dollar propped up.Anybody with half a fucking brain knows that.When the dollar crashes gold will skyrocket overnight because JP will finally be bankrupt.
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when this happen ?? wait for it till the end of world ?
"dollar crashes gold will skyrocket overnight" not gonna happen, keep dreaming cruise
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Dayam, you're right! Gold is now in backwardation through the June 2013 contract.

damned

hiding

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Riiight...every government is either buying. as much gold as they can and/or recalling what they have sitting in banks but you. continue believing the propaganda ...fools.
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Backwardation simply means that someone who holds a large amount of physical say 5,000 ounces could sell it today and then buy a June futures contract for less and make a risk free profit. But why isn't that happening? I mean risk free money, everyone should be doing it and that would bring the spot price down lower than the June contract right? Supply and demand right?

The reason it isn't happening and gold isn't returning back to contango, is because large gold holders don't want to risk NOT getting their gold back in June. They would rather hold physical now than get a risk free profit, unsure if they will actually get their gold back in June.
And that's one of the factors predicting a crash is imminent or near?
Gold was at first only in backwardation for a month, then it went to 2 months, now it's going into backwardation for 3 months, then....

It represents demand for currently holding gold than leasing it or lending it out for risk free money. When the banks try to smash gold they don't have physical to sell today to drive the price of spot down, they only have naked shorts to sell future promises of delivery and that drives down future prices in respect to spot.

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And that's one of the factors predicting a crash is imminent or near?
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I don't know if it means a crash is imminent but it does mean that the existing fiat monetary system is irreparably broken. The basis which is the difference between the nearest future's price and spot price was always positive meaning that the nearest future's price was higher than spot. The basis was the largest just after Nixon took the dollar off the international gold redemption standard. Since then the basis has steadily declined over time, and now it is negative.

Eventually it means that mines, hoarders, governments etc will not sell or lease their gold for any price. That means the future's market for gold will be dead, gone kaput. They will probably make up some story in the headlines but the market for gold will be closed by governments. Then all gold goes into hiding, until the reset occurs.

Basically it means the dollar and all dollar derivatives, even the proposed "replacement" (new global currency) are dead in the water, the entire system of debt based irredeemable currencies are dead in the water.

The only thing keeping things going is inertia, or fumes from the past. Once the sheeple figure all this out, its over.

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All economics --all--are faith based enterprises.
You have faith in the purchasing power of your fiat
You have faith in the puchasing power of your PM

We have faith that in the future these items will have value
so we can eat,live etc.

If the USD collapses to 1 percent of its current value,the debt problem is solved with a trillion dollar gold coin.

BUT-that will piss off the VERY wealthy because the billions they made are worth nothing. They own the banks,the factories,and the politicians.

History has shown that the masses get fleeced and the super wealthy do well.
Always
The dollar may collapse but the world system will have a fallback for that in place.The fall back may be PM,oil,food,but it will be in place,and probably already is now, before the system tanks.

How do you protect yourself?Look at the scenario--Cash is scarce.MOST folks do not have anymore gold than a wedding band.

Your pension is toast,your 401k is either taken or turned worthless.

Your only hope is to be debt free,cash in hand,and PM in hand.
Food prices will skyrocket-so have food stockpiled up to lower food costs.
Energy will skyrocket so have firewood now,and a car that sips gas.If your home is yours make it an energy miser now.

Only the big shots who control the game know the ins and outs of this.Just protect yourself now the best way possible,and hang on tight.

I said before on this sight when I was a registered member,I can see a time when the majority of folks on earth are illiterate.Just controlled sheep. When gov cannot pay for schools,libraries,cops,etc we face a hard time. Our kids are in for a hell of a ride.

One sure fire way to starve in the future will be to be a loner--you will need your neighbors,and they will need you.Hopefully you have a few good ones you can count on.Hopefully you are someone that others can count on.
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Idiots are in power today.

Gold is useless as it had always been.
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Idiots are in power today.

Gold is useless as it had always been.
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why doesn't fed just throw those useless relic rocks back at Germany then instead of delaying it for 7 more years? doesn't make sense does it?
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we all know that this is going to end bad, the question is: when?
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My outside timeline is 2015...IMO everything has to go perfectly for it not to fall apart before then though, unless they WANT it to.
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You are very close. While there will be a moderate crisis in late 2013, the big crash is in Oct-Nov 2014.

Them there it is downhill until 2017, with the skies not lightening from then until late 2018 or early 2019.
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Idiots are in power today.

Gold is useless as it had always been.
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Don't be a fool. Gold was the backbone of the current bills of credit system used for global trade. In fact current accounting science was developed from using gold as money. Whenever you calculate the future value of any bill of credit you must assume that the standard unit of account is constant, it must be or the equations are not linear.

The dollar, the global replacement for gold since Bretton Woods, is anything but constant. Its value is constantly debased by additional debt, growth relies on exponentially increasing debt, you need new debt to roll over old debt that governments never pay off.

If accounting formulas require a constant value to calculate the future value of any bill of credit and the unit of account is dynamic tending to lesser value all the time, eventually the bills of credit system will disintegrate. Are you going to invent a new system of accounting science accepted for global trade along with your new funny money?

Don't be a fool.

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The feds are TPTB.... they live and worship on greed.

Good luck with that.
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Bond crash dead ahead: tick, tick ... boom!
Commentary: ‘Investors have no idea what’s about to happen’

InvestmentNews latest cover is so powerful you can actually hear sirens atop a flashing neon billboard, megawarning in huge bold type: “Tick, Tick ... Boom!”

A warning: InvestmentNews wants to make damn sure its readers, the 90,000 professional financial advisers who rely on timeliness and accuracy of every INews forecast, understand: “What will your clients’ portfolios look like when the bond bomb goes off?” Get it? Not if but when it happens.

Yes, they do expect the bond bomb to explode and are publishing “a special report on the impending crisis in the bond market.”

Yes, you heard them. “Tick, Tick ... Boom!” Wake up, it’s an “impending crisis,dead ahead. And to punctuate their message, InvestmentNews added an alarming photo of an alarm clock with huge bells, wired to rolled-up bonds looking like a stack of dynamite sticks. “Tick, Tick ... Boom!!

InvestmentNews is not staffed by a bunch of alarmists, quite the opposite — conservative, trustworthy and methodical. They know the 90,000 registered investment advisers that rely on them are in turn responsible for advising millions of Americans and managing trillions of retirement assets. Yes, their audience demands reliable forecasts.

...the INews report reads like a Stephen King horror story

...when the ticking time bombs go off (not just the bond bomb and the rate bomb, but the stock bomb and the economy bomb) the volatility will go into a wild ride like a roller coaster that will trigger panic selling, even a full-blown crash, repeating the 2008 disaster.

[link to www.marketwatch.com]
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And THIS time the CB's will have ZERO bullets left.

dynamite:doomclock:dynamite
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"you can actually hear sirens atop a flashing neon billboard, megawarning in huge bold type:"

"InvestmentNews added an alarming photo of an alarm clock with huge bells, wired to rolled-up bonds looking like a stack of dynamite sticks.


Well hell! You've got me convinced! Once graphics are used it must mean this is the real deal!
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Idiots are in power today.

Gold is useless as it had always been.
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Don't be a fool. Gold was the backbone of the current bills of credit system used for global trade. In fact current accounting science was developed from using gold as money. Whenever you calculate the future value of any bill of credit you must assume that the standard unit of account is constant, it must be or the equations are not linear.

The dollar, the global replacement for gold since Bretton Woods, is anything but constant. Its value is constantly debased by additional debt, growth relies on exponentially increasing debt, you need new debt to roll over old debt that governments never pay off.

If accounting formulas require a constant value to calculate the future value of any bill of credit and the unit of account is dynamic tending to lesser value all the time, eventually the bills of credit system will disintegrate. Are you going to invent a new system of accounting science accepted for global trade along with your new funny money?

Don't be a fool.

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And apart from that, what good is Gold?. Just a useless piles of heavy metals that is great for recycling. Too slow for computers and maybe great for electric conductors?.

Megnetism and rare earth worth far more.
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Idiots are in power today.

Gold is useless as it had always been.
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Don't be a fool. Gold was the backbone of the current bills of credit system used for global trade. In fact current accounting science was developed from using gold as money. Whenever you calculate the future value of any bill of credit you must assume that the standard unit of account is constant, it must be or the equations are not linear.

The dollar, the global replacement for gold since Bretton Woods, is anything but constant. Its value is constantly debased by additional debt, growth relies on exponentially increasing debt, you need new debt to roll over old debt that governments never pay off.

If accounting formulas require a constant value to calculate the future value of any bill of credit and the unit of account is dynamic tending to lesser value all the time, eventually the bills of credit system will disintegrate. Are you going to invent a new system of accounting science accepted for global trade along with your new funny money?

Don't be a fool.

.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 961432


And apart from that, what good is Gold?. Just a useless piles of heavy metals that is great for recycling. Too slow for computers and maybe great for electric conductors?.

Megnetism and rare earth worth far more.
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You brain dead? Apart from being a sound, stable money that allows people to have faith in a system they can market their labor, save for the future and have some for prosperity?

You must be brain dead.

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oh, boy.....


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will the price of a pack of gum go up?
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will the price of a pack of gum go up?
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Yes, you can buy stockpile of it for future as your gold. ;)
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This guy says there is nothing to worry about and you are all putin face palming big time like a bunch of economic doom tards.

[link to www.youtube.com]
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This guy says there is nothing to worry about and you are all putin face palming big time like a bunch of economic doom tards.

[link to www.youtube.com]
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So you believe in him not in us? Your religion makes us sad. :(
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via Forbes from about a year ago...


3/27/2012 @ 7:51PM |117,994 views
Peter Schiff: Market-Crushing Treasury Collapse To Hit Around 2013

[link to www.forbes.com]

Peter Schiff, the divisive investor and commentator that predicted the subprime/real-estate bubble, is forecasting a U.S. dollar and bond crisis over the next couple of years. Schiff blames intervened bond markets, where rates are artificially and excessively low, and expects the coming crisis to blow the 2008-9 financial crisis out of the water.

There is little doubt that the Federal Reserve, with Chairman Ben Bernanke at the helm, is holding markets by the hand. Bernanke, himself a divisive figure, has done all he can to push interest rates lower, using quantitative easing and Operation Twist once nominal rates had hit the zero-range. While many believe ultra-loose monetary policy is dangerous, Schiff thinks it will lead to a catastrophic correction.

“The more you delay it, the bigger it will be,” Schiff tells Forbes in a phone interview Tuesday, “so we need to raise interest rates during the recession to confront the inefficiencies.” Schiff, who runs Euro Pacific Capital and is seen by many as permanently bearish, argues that government-intervened bond markets are leading to massive distortions in capital allocation that have only been exacerbated as the Fed reacted to the last couple of recessions.

--- more at the link ---

Last night there was a thread where a GLPer shared that he received information there would be a rise in interest rates.

Put your set backs upright, your tray tables up and get ready for a bumpy ride.
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The only thing of real value is food and shelter. Everything else is "opinion" oriented.

Me personally, I have no use for "gold"...I can't eat it...I don't know how to make anything from it. I know there are people that think it is valuable because it is scarce...and because of that I will keep some.

Gold is a sytem of standards based purely on arrogance. "I have this rare stuff and you know you want some of it".

Give me food, shelter, some over the counter medication (cold remedies, peroxide, antihistamines), booze and non-electrical hand tools and I will have all I need to trade and barter with.

We have it ingrained within us to see "gold" as the base of value...but it isn't. It was something dreamed up ages ago as a standard...a way of measuring the cost of labor.

I am n the process of reading Adam Smith's "The Wealth of Nations"...and if you have never done so...I seriously suggest you do. It will make things perfectly clear on what has real value...
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WHAT?? Nowhere did you mention water. TPTB know it's more important than all the things you named. You won't last one day without it (associated: Pure source, OR filters, OR solar evaporation device, etc.) THEY are buying up all the water in South America, the Great Lakes, Libya, etc.
MtBarb
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das why I got 1000 $ in nickels. it's risk free, and if there ain't no doom, they go back tothe bank for what I paid nyoggas! furrizeal!

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The ones saying that gold is worthless are the ones who don't have any, period.

History proves otherwise, despite what some GLPer says.
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we all know that this is going to end bad, the question is: when?
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Obama is the last president. Everything will go off before there is ever another election.

Mark that down on your calendar.
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You seem ta have a lot of good info...Come sit by me...LOL

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