Husbands and Wives--hiding money, ok or no? Help!! | |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 12780934 United States 03/20/2013 10:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What you should do is pray and meditate with God for a week or so... however long it takes. Then once you have that done.. talk to him about your concerns, like someone else above suggested. Sounds to me like you both have major communication issues.. from the start. With enough faith, you both can fix this with time. Divorce without adultery isn't the best of ideas. Just saying. I don't know exactly how you feel.. but I'm trying to imagine. (: I know my husband won't go off my budget and it angers me.. so I can understand somewhat the frustration of finances. The thing is.. I understand why men like to handle that.. they don't want us flipping out, getting stressed, or worrying. I'm letting go on asking and helping, because after awhile.. I'm hoping he will come to me after he sees I can help with organization... So anyway my dear.. I am sorry to hear you are to the point of leaving him.. I hope you wait it out with Faith. God bless you, your children, and your husband.. and all of us. (: Take care and this too shall pass... |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 29204297 United States 03/20/2013 10:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I do talk to him, he says it is his money and I am welcome to leave. I have to think of my children, one is in college and one has one more year of highschool. He bought our home with cash he earned before we got married. He shares his business with his brother and all his friends and his brother are single. (all over 50 and never married) He resents having a family and calls me a ball and chain even though he does what he wants whenever he wants. He took his father on a fancy vacation when we took no vacation. He flies out of town to visit friends, I don't stop him from doing anything and I stopped complaining about my situation over 6 years ago as it only made things worse. We got in a fight last night when he stated that everyone has textured ceilings, and when I dared to say I thought that wasn't true he blew up. He could never tolerate questioning what he says as fact. He laughs at me, belittles me and says I know nothing since he works in the "real world" with real people and staying home leaves me ignorant of the world. I try not to make waves, I am walking on eggshells all the time. He told me if I didn't "enjoy" his sailboat with him, he would find someone who would. I stay to protect the children, he is the one who walked out. I don't have access to any money for a lawyer, they require a retainer. He is a narcissist, and I made the mistake of saying that when we were in marriage therapy years ago. He tried to prove I was one with his out of state expert who never met me. The marriage councillor said he was a benevolent dictator to his face and my husband got so upset he made him take it back. As my husband was paying the man he backed off. The counsellor sessions only made things unbearable as he has a huge need to be right at the expense of a relationship. He would never admit to being a work alcoholic, and would take zero responsibility for any of our issues. He insisted he was there because he wanted me to be told by the therapist that I was wrong and he was right. After two years of therapy (marriage) I refused to go anymore as it only served to make sure we fought once a week. He says I'm sick not to be happy, but I'm so depressed I was thinking suicide was my only way out. I wouldn't because of my kids, but I do think about it. Honestly I was relieved when he left. I'll spend my later years pretty broke, but for the first time I sense hope for a livable future. He has all his friends and family convinced I'm nuts. If we had just been dating and there weren't any kids I would have left without a thought. It is sad that our society makes women who stay at home with their kids seem like lazy criminals. |
Mickeyblue User ID: 9806228 United States 03/20/2013 10:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Private detective to discover all assets. Then a lawyer. This is not a love match. He has 'hidden' things for some purpose, perhaps just the government but I suspect ottherwise. Your instincts have told you for a very longtime that this is so. Pray but take necessary steps to take care of yourself, quietly and deliberately. Do not discuss with friends but keep notes in a safe place as to what you have stated and what you are doing to learn about how your life really is. Take care and do not change your way of any other thing at this time. |
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Janine69 User ID: 32745196 United States 03/20/2013 11:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Be silent. Don't say another word to this man. He will have to move out. Tape record his inevitable violent threats and use that to procure à 5 year restraining order. |
luckyophelia User ID: 18046556 United States 03/20/2013 11:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
tiger1 User ID: 6269153 United States 03/20/2013 11:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Go to a lawyer. This is an abusive relationship, and you and your children deserve a lot better than this.Document EVERYTHING and write up an outline of the happenings since the day of your marraige. What state are you in? Differant states have differant laws on the division of assetts. Basically, you are entitled to 1/2 of everything, including the value of the house after the date of marraige AFTER his purchase price before marraige is subtracted. Praise God from Whom all Blessings flow !!! |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 29204297 United States 03/20/2013 11:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank you all for your kind replies, I am staying put for now, the whole thing will be better if he is the one wanting it. The way lawyers work is they do need to be paid, people borrow money and the woman's lawyers fee comes out of what she is awarded by the court. A legal divorce battle can take two years. He has a lot of methods to hide money and people willing to help him. If his lawyers and friends were successful I'd be stuck paying $60,000 worth of legal fees out of what ever I get which might be not even much more than that. He wants to spend 0ver $200,000,k on a Yacht, $5,000 to join a club, and $5,000 yearly expenses. Meanwhile our yard and home are falling apart. OUr kitchen was put in in the 1960's and every bathroom is from the 1920's, all the rooms are in worse condition than when we moved in. He can prove he paid for our home with cash he had before we married, if we had bought it with money he made while we were married I could claim 1/2 after sale. His income that he reports to taxes is less than 60,000 a year, and we spend double that yearly, so no savings from income. I don't think it is legal to record someone without their knowledge. He knows he has all the cards, and I don't have so much as an account #, he also has bought gold with no written record, has it in some secret safe deposit box. Honestly before women agree to have children and not work they should have a prenup to protect them. |
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tiger1 User ID: 6269153 United States 03/20/2013 11:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank you all for your kind replies, I am staying put for now, the whole thing will be better if he is the one wanting it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29204297 The way lawyers work is they do need to be paid, people borrow money and the woman's lawyers fee comes out of what she is awarded by the court. A legal divorce battle can take two years. He has a lot of methods to hide money and people willing to help him. If his lawyers and friends were successful I'd be stuck paying $60,000 worth of legal fees out of what ever I get which might be not even much more than that. He wants to spend 0ver $200,000,k on a Yacht, $5,000 to join a club, and $5,000 yearly expenses. Meanwhile our yard and home are falling apart. OUr kitchen was put in in the 1960's and every bathroom is from the 1920's, all the rooms are in worse condition than when we moved in. He can prove he paid for our home with cash he had before we married, if we had bought it with money he made while we were married I could claim 1/2 after sale. His income that he reports to taxes is less than 60,000 a year, and we spend double that yearly, so no savings from income. I don't think it is legal to record someone without their knowledge. He knows he has all the cards, and I don't have so much as an account #, he also has bought gold with no written record, has it in some secret safe deposit box. Honestly before women agree to have children and not work they should have a prenup to protect them. A prenup wouldn't protect you in this case. People can be very sneaky when it comes to hiding their assetts BEFORE there is a possibility of a divorce. Praise God from Whom all Blessings flow !!! |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 29204297 United States 03/20/2013 11:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
goodmockingbird User ID: 24568365 United States 03/20/2013 11:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't have access to any money for a lawyer, they require a retainer. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29204297 He is a narcissist, and I made the mistake of saying that when we were in marriage therapy years ago. He tried to prove I was one with his out of state expert who never met me. The marriage councillor said he was a benevolent dictator to his face and my husband got so upset he made him take it back. As my husband was paying the man he backed off. Many attorneys will give an initial free consultation. Once they get a whiff of what is going on, an attorney may well take your case on a percentage basis, and "front" you the use of a private investigator. And that marriage counsellor may well become a trusted ally. He or she could be subject to subpoena to testify to the husband's dishonesty and abuse. If you don't do something now, before the kids are off to college or wherever, and your husband doesn't need you at home as a free babysitter, then he will just dump you when they are gone. And take his assets... all of them. Look up Family Law Attorneys and start calling NOW! I Support Our First Responders |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 29204297 United States 03/20/2013 11:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I bought this computer with money I got from selling my parents home when they died. It is in the living room. He uses my computer, but deletes the memory. HIs laptop and phone, and computer are not accessible to me, everything is password protected. I'm locked out, and he keeps the checkbook locked in his office. If he died in a car crash I couldn't even pay the light bill. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 29204297 United States 03/20/2013 11:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Earth Daughter User ID: 36341046 United States 03/20/2013 11:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It sounds like he has very little trust in people, even in his own wife. It's his psychosis, not yours. Just remember that. I don't know how you stuck around with such dishonesty over the years. I know it's for the kids and what not, but you've got yourself in the bind of being dependant. If you do divorce, he'll have to pay alimony since it was a long term marriage and you probably don't have the skills to support yourself yet. You really need to set yourself up before you leave, however, with a solid plan and a way to find work. Not an easy thing in this economy. Good luck. "Arrows of hate have been shot at me too, but they never hit me, because somehow they belonged to another world, with which I have no connection whatsoever." - Albert Einstein |
goodmockingbird User ID: 24568365 United States 03/20/2013 11:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank you all for your kind replies, I am staying put for now, the whole thing will be better if he is the one wanting it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29204297 And by that time, he will have carefully and fully covered, re-covered, and fully obfuscated all of his tracks so that you have ZERO chance of getting anything. He will want to simply kick you out onto the street with nothing as soon as the kids are grown and gone, and he no longer needs a free babysitter. You need professional help NOW. Consult with multiple attorneys NOW, and go with one you feel will treat you fairly, and nail his ass thoroughly. I Support Our First Responders |
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BRIEF User ID: 381742 United States 03/20/2013 11:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I bought this computer with money I got from selling my parents home when they died. It is in the living room. He uses my computer, but deletes the memory. HIs laptop and phone, and computer are not accessible to me, everything is password protected. I'm locked out, and he keeps the checkbook locked in his office. If he died in a car crash I couldn't even pay the light bill. Sorry you married a complete dick...did he give any hints of his dickness before you two married? I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
tiger1 User ID: 6269153 United States 03/20/2013 11:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The home isn't worth much more than when he bought it. Housing crash hit us hard in Ohio. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29204297 Possibly that is why he never wanted to update the home, funny thing is you can't take it with you. Try snooping around for info you will need later. You have rights, remember that !!! I had a friend who's husband was a super control freak. He gave her $15 every 2 weeks to buy personal items. He did all the grocery shopping and all the financial dealings. She was a stay-at-home mom too. She had no say so in anything, food, clothes, purchases, nothing. He also bought gold and invested heavily. He left her several times, sometimes for a few months time frame. He would leave her with no money and no access to money. Her and her 2 kids would have to live off of whatever he decided to give them. He took vacations without her also. She never divorced him, even though he treated her terribly. He was such a jerk, when he would get home from work, he used to run his finger over the top of the door frames to see if she had dusted the whole house that particular day. You deserve better than what you are getting, OP. Last Edited by tiger1 on 03/20/2013 11:55 AM Praise God from Whom all Blessings flow !!! |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 29204297 United States 03/20/2013 11:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sorry for the spelling errors, and the bad writing. I did not sleep last night. Just as I fell asleep this morning he woke me to inquire where the toaster was! Yes, that was my Christmas present last year-- a toaster. This year a knife sharpener. Now I don't have a car as my son needs it for his job. When my daughter needed a car he bought her a new one, and I drive the old one. He had me so convinced we were in trouble my last car 7 years ago was much smaller and cheaper than the previous ones. I don't use the "club", I mostly drive kids around cook and clean. Everyone thinks he is really great, but I know him in a different way, he will stop at nothing to "win" he believes if anything I owe him. |
tiger1 User ID: 6269153 United States 03/20/2013 11:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sorry for the spelling errors, and the bad writing. I did not sleep last night. Just as I fell asleep this morning he woke me to inquire where the toaster was! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29204297 Yes, that was my Christmas present last year-- a toaster. This year a knife sharpener. Now I don't have a car as my son needs it for his job. When my daughter needed a car he bought her a new one, and I drive the old one. He had me so convinced we were in trouble my last car 7 years ago was much smaller and cheaper than the previous ones. I don't use the "club", I mostly drive kids around cook and clean. Everyone thinks he is really great, but I know him in a different way, he will stop at nothing to "win" he believes if anything I owe him. Are the cars in his name, or the kids? Praise God from Whom all Blessings flow !!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36057101 United States 03/20/2013 11:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He is committing financial infidelity. Not telling you what he makes? Like he's scared your going to steal it from him or something. It would be one thing to hide money from your spouse if you might be afraid they'd not be responsible and blow it or something but another to do what he is doing. It sounds like he might be hiding more then finances from you. If not he is just plain controlling. |
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