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Dr. Acula Senior Forum Moderator  User ID: 78748  United States03/20/2013 03:17 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | and no im not pro doctor... even though my name is Dr. Acula lol but this isnt the usual case... i would sue the hell out of them. They fucked up.... they fucked up big. i dont believe in suing people if you slip and fall on their land or in their house... but this is a whole different situation... lawyer lawyer lawyer! now as far as the pain its self for now... my wife has terrible back pain from a herniated disk in her lower back... and the thing that helps her is a heating pad. i used to warm up rice bags in the microwave... until we got one that plugs into the wall. that really helps... if you dont have either... you can always heat up water and put in a glass jar with a waterproof lid... wrap it in a towel and place it on your back... be careful not to get it too hot or burn yourself. and i shit you not... Earl Grey tea helps too. I have knee pains and stuff and a cup a day helps... and it helps my wife too. if a Kentuckian has Earl Grey in his pantry.. surely a brit has some lol :) and i read online that saliva is a natural painkiller... you can read more here... [link to www.newscientist.com] i dont know how well it actually works... but wanted to throw it out there to ya. sorry you are in pain :( that sucks... sue em bro  Last Edited by Dr. Acula on 03/20/2013 03:19 PM _______________________  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 36564514  United Kingdom03/20/2013 03:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.patientlawyers.com] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36533167 Try these op and sue the cunts for all you can. Fuck them and their negligence.  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 12636907 United States03/20/2013 03:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | see that is what I'm unsure of my only witness is my wife and that can be considered as a conflict of interest and I hate this as I know there are so many people who con the system and I have always been a worker I always have provided for my family plus I'm 22 so I'm afraid that would be frowned upon then your just going to suffer quietly and die did they give you a vagina transplant as well |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 28100246 United States03/20/2013 03:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One the other hand, maybe we should try to look at the bright side. At least we didn't have the wrong leg or breast amputated, like I've read cases of. Chin up. Blessings. |
| Scribbler User ID: 36566140 United States03/20/2013 03:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sorry to hear of your pain and situation, I feel for anyone who has to deal with nonstop pain. Try ice packs as this reduces inflamation and promotes healing. Riding a bike also works well for increasing circulation and is low impact. I never thought my back pain would ever go away but this helped to manage towards productivity. Last, study yoga and meditation, good luck and hope you do fell better! Something is better than nothing, pay attention, it's still free. Lead by example. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 36270349  Australia03/20/2013 03:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hello, I'm wondering if anyone on GLP has any experience with medical practice and could help me... Quoting: Anderson_G A year ago I had a lumbar puncture perform on myself, before the procedure went ahead the Doctor asked me if I wouldn't mind allowing a student to take part it this, I was assure that she would be under full supervision and that she knew what she was doing... I was also told that if there was any problems then she would take over... I agreed as every one deserve a chance to learn... I was laying down when the procedure was done the doctor allowed the student 5 attempts to do the LP before she stepped in while the student was doing the procedure the I could here the doctor saying and I quote Nope thats the tendon, No you don't want to go in that direction thats bone, No you don't want go there you have gone to far up, and no thats the wrong angle... then the doctor took over and had 7 attempts at it herself... I would understand the difficulty if I was of large build as I know it is a blind procedure and I appreciate that its not as easy as it sounds but I am of quite a slim build and I remain very still and didn't complain at all... the procedure took 80 minutes... when they finally obtain the fluid they needed they dropped the dressing they were meant to apply to my back... the doctor thankfully went of to get a new one but she said she could find the right type so she stuck a dressing around 6 x 6 inch the dressing was plaster type... I was laid there with out a dressing for a period of 3 - 5 minutes... It wasn't until I sat up that I was told to stay laid down as soon as I sat up and went to move of the bed I just fell back didn't lose conciousness how ever I did spin out... I was laying down for 3 hours before being discharged as the couldn't find any bleed... A head ache occurred within 7 hours and I couldn't stand or move at all for that matter when I even held in going to the toilet until the next day, due to the shear amount of pain I was in, now I can barely do what I used to be able to do I used to be out ward bound and the only work I'm qualified to do is security and building work that means I have to go back to college to gain a qualification to work in a different trade as I cannot do the physical work I used to I am more depressed and I now go to the toilet more as a result from the lumbar puncture I'm always in pain I'm at my ends witt with the pain now... I don't hold the student responsible as the doctor in m opinion was meant to stop her after 2 or 3 attempts and the fact that the doctor her self is meant to be able to complete the procedure in less then 7 attempts I am now considering seeking legal advice against the NHS due to the change to my life and my personality I lost my job and I have became more depressed from this as I said its a year on and I'm still experiencing back pain to a very noticeable extent and I have had a head ache every day for a year, my spine makes a clicking and a thudding sound when I stand up which makes my legs go week and I collapse to the floor most of the time It also makes me sleepy when my spine aches... is there anything I can do to help the pain now ?? I don't mean to be rude but will be blunt. It is admirable that you are not really playing the blame game. However whether intentional, accidental or unavoidable you have been put in this bad circumstance. If what you are claiming is true (and I have no reason to doubt you) your life has been badly affected and you will need care and treatment for this for many years to come. Unfortunately there are not a lot of solutions in this type of medical problem. The bottom line is this is not your fault and probably not the fault of the medical staff either. It just happened. You will need care for this and it would be a travesty if the tax payer or yourself had to support this problem financially and therefore the Dr or medical facility needs to be sued for this. They have insurances and indemnities to pay for this. So it happened in their care they have a liability towards you. If it can be proven not to be their fault they will not be "punished" and insurance pays. That is the way it works. Do not let the tax payer, you or your family be financially punished about this. Insurance should be. Unfortunately with these things your loss either financially or personally or "pain & suffering" plays little into the decision. Law etc sees it as basically "sorry it happened but can't change that". They only ask how much it will cost to see your basic needs medically and treatment wise satisfied. To them this is resolution and the only resolution you will ever get. You need to sue. Sorry to be blunt but it is the way it is. |
| MONSTER User ID: 2122560 United States03/20/2013 03:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | see that is what I'm unsure of my only witness is my wife and that can be considered as a conflict of interest and I hate this as I know there are so many people who con the system and I have always been a worker I always have provided for my family plus I'm 22 so I'm afraid that would be frowned upon They would have on record that the Doctor let the student attempt this and having pain shows something was wrong with the procedure. Go see a Lawyer he can tell you everything you need to know KINGDOMS, NATIONS AND KINGS HAVE BEEN BROUGHT DOWN TO THEIR KNEES WITH ONE GLANCE FROM A WOMAN. I WEAR MY SKIN OF ARMOR SO NO ONE CAN GET IN AND NO ONE CAN GET OUT. HOW CAN I MOURN YOU, WHEN I HAVE NEVER LET YOU GO, monster 1991-2008 RIP |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 36416791 United Kingdom03/20/2013 03:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.patientlawyers.com] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36533167 Try these op and sue the cunts for all you can. Fuck them and their negligence. thank you I will call them tomorrow |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 36416791 United Kingdom03/20/2013 03:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Something pretty similar happened to me at the Royal Liverpool University Hospital whilst being diagnosed for Guillian Barre Syndrome. In a weird way the longer they took the better for me as I was becoming more an more paralysed by the minute. It fuckin hurt though. My headache lasted for a week. I thought I was dead. 1st time I've heard a similar story. My sympathy to you Quoting: Neilh1n1 13505769 Thank you and to know some else went through simular is a painful thought sorry you went through it to buddy I have been sick many times from the pain and I do have a high pain threshold so that suprises me more glad to hear yours is resolved though |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 36416791 United Kingdom03/20/2013 03:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Op I do not know what UK laws are for patient's rights. Quoting: JustJuls I am a nurse with many years of bedside care in the hospital setting. If I as a nurse could not get a peripheral IV in you within 3 attempts, we are to bring another nurse in to then attempt the IV. I was always taught anything greater then 3 attempts on 1 person could be interpreted by the law as assault. Just like if you are in a hospital and told you are to only stay in your hospital room by staff for whatever reason.Lets say you decide to walk around the hospital floor outside your room but the nurses and staff block you from leaving that room.........they could be charged with false imprisonment. Not only can your wife be your witness but your best witness because she saw both the procedure and your physical decline afterward. My advice ASAP get an attorney, get a copy of all your medical records related to the situation. Also I hope you have been under an MD's care since this happened because if you are, it should reflect the decline in your health.If not get,one at once and get that lumbar puncture site examined asap with mri etc. I personally think you have a good basis to have your situation looked at by the courts. In all my years of nursing, I have never seen or heard of a lumbar puncture that brutal. Best of luck. thank you and your experience and knowledge is taken into consideration thank you again I would have thought there wouldn't of been much difference between the laws hopefully I won't find out the hard way |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 36103950 United States03/20/2013 03:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm a medical professional. Are you saying that the whole past year you have had constant pain? Starting with the LP? Why did you have the LP in the first place? What kind of back pain did you have before the procedure? What were the results of the LP? An LP is a simple procedure, to drain spinal fluid. It would not cause bone deformities or clunking. It would be very difficult to link an LP performed a year ago to the current symptoms you are experiencing. There are very few risk factors related to LPs. Even if nerve damage occurred, it heals rather quickly You may need different types of diagnostic testing to see if there is something else going on - slipped disk, nerve impingement, etc. But the first thing you need is a copy of your medical records. Find another physician to treat your current back pain. You will need the support of a new physician to pursue legal recourse if you believe the LP is responsible for you current problems. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 36416791 United Kingdom03/20/2013 03:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I had a "wet tap" while in labor with my 2nd child. I got the "spinal headache" very shortly after and it was an absolute nightmare. I had 3 blood patch procedures to close the puncture spot but the doctor told me that I now knew what it felt like to be shot in the head. Great!!! I did consult an attorney but the consent that I signed for the epidural was comprehensive. The headaches did go away after a few weeks but the back pain did continue for quite some time. It has been over 10 years and while I am not in pain daily, my lower back is extremely sensitive which I have learned to deal with. Just rest, heat and ice alternately, and a back brace is what helped me get through it. Hope you find relief soon. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32688435 Temperature messes with my back as well I did sign paper work and that concerns me as I didn't look through it all properly due to being rushed by the doctor to sign so that is a worry for me plus considering the pain I was in I just wanted it to be over but it seems this was exploited in a sense thank you for your input and your hope of relief hope your backs eases for you as well |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 36416791 United Kingdom03/20/2013 03:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Get an attorney and do it fast. You have a limited amount of time to do so. Quoting: ella Start calling now. It shouldn't cost you anything, the attorney will want around 30% of the settlement. Don't let that stop you from signing with a good attorney. 70% of a settlement is better than 70% of zero very true I am considering a no win no fee company to help me out... its the pain that is more unbearable and I keep getting passed from pillar to post and I have had enough now its been a year and I am still no closer to finding out what has gone on they don't even know what is the cause for me to actually been emitted to hospital in the first place... The symptoms I displayed was mirrored to a stroke I lost the use to the left side of my body I have it back now but my mind isn't the same now... Then why are you still responding?! you've had more than five billion people tell you to call an attorney. GET ONE ALREADY. look at time zones and have a little more consideration I respect everyones replies and its only right and respectful I reply to people asthey took the time to help me plus its helpful to hear different views |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 36103950 United States03/20/2013 03:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm a medical professional. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36103950 Are you saying that the whole past year you have had constant pain? Starting with the LP? Why did you have the LP in the first place? What kind of back pain did you have before the procedure? What were the results of the LP? An LP is a simple procedure, to drain spinal fluid. It would not cause bone deformities or clunking. It would be very difficult to link an LP performed a year ago to the current symptoms you are experiencing. There are very few risk factors related to LPs. Even if nerve damage occurred, it heals rather quickly You may need different types of diagnostic testing to see if there is something else going on - slipped disk, nerve impingement, etc. But the first thing you need is a copy of your medical records. Find another physician to treat your current back pain. You will need the support of a new physician to pursue legal recourse if you believe the LP is responsible for you current problems. |
| EyE Of The Sparrow User ID: 9840520 United States03/20/2013 03:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [The scouts path is a double edge sword] "Know Thy Self" "Thinking is but a movement of the past meeting the present" "Only through discipline can one gain freedom" "The pursuit of the external divides the internal" "Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance" \Glutton for the truth/ |
| Useless Cookie Eater User ID: 29696048 United States03/20/2013 03:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm a medical professional. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36103950 Are you saying that the whole past year you have had constant pain? Starting with the LP? Why did you have the LP in the first place? What kind of back pain did you have before the procedure? What were the results of the LP? An LP is a simple procedure, to drain spinal fluid. It would not cause bone deformities or clunking. It would be very difficult to link an LP performed a year ago to the current symptoms you are experiencing. There are very few risk factors related to LPs. Even if nerve damage occurred, it heals rather quickly You may need different types of diagnostic testing to see if there is something else going on - slipped disk, nerve impingement, etc. But the first thing you need is a copy of your medical records. Find another physician to treat your current back pain. You will need the support of a new physician to pursue legal recourse if you believe the LP is responsible for you current problems. Lawyers are not physicians. They can not determine medical appropriateness or malfeasance. Not....they cannot...but the medical experts they find CAN. Use your head.  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 36103950 United States03/20/2013 04:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm a medical professional. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36103950 Are you saying that the whole past year you have had constant pain? Starting with the LP? Why did you have the LP in the first place? What kind of back pain did you have before the procedure? What were the results of the LP? An LP is a simple procedure, to drain spinal fluid. It would not cause bone deformities or clunking. It would be very difficult to link an LP performed a year ago to the current symptoms you are experiencing. There are very few risk factors related to LPs. Even if nerve damage occurred, it heals rather quickly You may need different types of diagnostic testing to see if there is something else going on - slipped disk, nerve impingement, etc. But the first thing you need is a copy of your medical records. Find another physician to treat your current back pain. You will need the support of a new physician to pursue legal recourse if you believe the LP is responsible for you current problems. Lawyers are not physicians. They can not determine medical appropriateness or malfeasance. Not....they cannot...but the medical experts they find CAN. Use your head. Uh, yeah. Thats what i said. try reading without jumping to your own conclusions. An attorney will not take the case without a supporting medical opinion. The court medical experts are there to break conflicting testimonies. I've been around medical malpractice for 20 years. It hunk I know what I'm talking about. And (unlike you) I don't need to resort to insults online to male my point. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 36103950 United States03/20/2013 04:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm a medical professional. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36103950 Are you saying that the whole past year you have had constant pain? Starting with the LP? Why did you have the LP in the first place? What kind of back pain did you have before the procedure? What were the results of the LP? An LP is a simple procedure, to drain spinal fluid. It would not cause bone deformities or clunking. It would be very difficult to link an LP performed a year ago to the current symptoms you are experiencing. There are very few risk factors related to LPs. Even if nerve damage occurred, it heals rather quickly You may need different types of diagnostic testing to see if there is something else going on - slipped disk, nerve impingement, etc. But the first thing you need is a copy of your medical records. Find another physician to treat your current back pain. You will need the support of a new physician to pursue legal recourse if you believe the LP is responsible for you current problems. Lawyers are not physicians. They can not determine medical appropriateness or malfeasance. Not....they cannot...but the medical experts they find CAN. Use your head. Uh, yeah. Thats what i said. try reading without jumping to your own conclusions. An attorney will not take the case without a supporting medical opinion. The court medical experts are there to break conflicting testimonies. I've been around medical malpractice for 20 years. It think I know what I'm talking about. And (unlike you) I don't need to resort to insults online to make my point. Although I'm having a hard time typing on my iPad today, lol |
| Captain Clownshoes User ID: 29309101 United States03/20/2013 04:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | see that is what I'm unsure of my only witness is my wife and that can be considered as a conflict of interest and I hate this as I know there are so many people who con the system and I have always been a worker I always have provided for my family plus I'm 22 so I'm afraid that would be frowned upon i would suggest get a copy of the complete procedure from the hospital. i believe they are required to have everything that takes place in the operating room to be recorded. it should say where the doctor allowed a student to take over. once you have that, you may have a case of malpractice. L-DOgg |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 16663041 United States03/20/2013 04:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I had a chiropractor burst my lower disc, same problems you have numb in most of my left leg, headaches pain, when I told the cp I wasn't going to pay him cause he broke me he sued. Long story short... Even if you win a court case it won't fix your back and you will have to do a new trade, I suggest pick something lucrative. Oh and btw the gov won't help, you can't even get partial disability, you can barely get food stamps and if by some miracle you win your case you will have just enough cash to maybe buy a couple cheeseburgers. I chose to do computer systems, its lucrative and comes naturally to me that evolved to network security and pen testing which anyone can do. Good luck |
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| Wet tap... User ID: 35432160 United States03/20/2013 04:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You had what is called a wet tap. The fuck-ups tore into your dura which covers your spinal cord and allowed CSF to flow out. So much came out that your brain settled into it's cradle of tentorium and stretched them causing pain and tearing. They should have told you to remain flat and not strain for at least 3 days. They could have placed a blood patch to seal the hole and saved you a world of trouble. Get a lawyer. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 36422968 United Kingdom03/20/2013 04:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ive had a LP for menengitus which i fully recovered. They should have kept you in for 24 hours, they let you out so they could deny liability when you prossecute. You could try going to the police and ask them to press charges for "Criminal Negligence" if they refuse goto your magistrates court and apply to prossecute them from there. If that Fails or they refuse, go speak with Your MP. If all above fail go talk to a newspaper or Sky, dont goto the BBC they will ask to see your balls. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 36103950 United States03/20/2013 04:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | see that is what I'm unsure of my only witness is my wife and that can be considered as a conflict of interest and I hate this as I know there are so many people who con the system and I have always been a worker I always have provided for my family plus I'm 22 so I'm afraid that would be frowned upon i would suggest get a copy of the complete procedure from the hospital. i believe they are required to have everything that takes place in the operating room to be recorded. it should say where the doctor allowed a student to take over. once you have that, you may have a case of malpractice. L-DOgg As long as the student was supervised, and the patient consented, there is no malpractice. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 36212103 United Kingdom03/20/2013 05:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I feel your pain. I had a brain haemorrhage a few years ago. To cut a long story short, run of the mill NHS hospitals don't have the equipment to always locate a bleed to the brain. Lumbar punctures and CT scans don't always pick up the bleed. You need a specialist brain hospital. Only they can fully check your brain. I don't fully know your situation but due to how dangerous this is you need fully checked ASAP encase of a bleed or clot. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 36041894  Ireland03/20/2013 05:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | see that is what I'm unsure of my only witness is my wife and that can be considered as a conflict of interest and I hate this as I know there are so many people who con the system and I have always been a worker I always have provided for my family plus I'm 22 so I'm afraid that would be frowned upon What you need is an MRI and catscan to find the source of the loss of fluid. many times when the puncture is done, the hole does not close properly or tears. Your spinal fluid is leaking out, that is what is causing the headaches and pain. Typically is is adressed MUCH sooner and a blood patch is put in place to seal the pucture... but with your socialist healthcare system i doubt you will be able to get that done anytime soon. A repair is the only thing that can help you. |
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