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Is it possible to become a sovereign state citizen legally?

 
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Is it possible to become a sovereign state citizen legally?
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From my understanding, the "Federal Zone is basically the area over which congress has exclusive legislative jurisdiction.

"The areas of land over which the federal government exercises exclusive authority are the District of Columbia, the federal territories and possessions, and the enclaves within the 50 States which have been ceded to the federal government by the consent of State Legislatures." Examples of the latter would be Army Bases, Ports, etc.


THE THREE UNITED STATES:


There is a clear distinction between the meanings of "United States" and "United States of America". The People of America have been fraudulently and purposely misled to believe that these terms are completely synonymous in every context.

The term "United States" may be used in any one of several senses. [1] It may be merely the name of a sovereign* occupying the position analogous to that of other sovereigns in the family of nations. [2] It may designate the territory over which the sovereignty of the United States** extends, or [3] it may be the collective name of the states*** which are united by and under the Constitution.

[Hooven & Allison Co. v. Evatt, 324 U.S. 652 (1945)]


Which One Are You? by The Informer:


1. I am a Citizen of the United States1 like you are a Citizen of China. Here you have defined yourself as a National from a Nation with regard to another Nation. It is perfectly OK to call yourself a "Citizen of the United States1." This is what everybody thinks the tax statutes are inferring. But notice the capital "C" in Citizen and where it is placed. Please go back to basic English.


2. I am a United States2 citizen. Here you have defined yourself as a person residing in the District of Columbia, one of its Territories, or Federal enclaves (area within a Union State) or living abroad, which could be in one of the States of the Union or a foreign country. Therefore you are possessed by the entity United States2 (Congress) because citizen is small case. Again go back to basic english. This is the "United States2" the tax statutes are referring to. Unless stated otherwise, such as 26 USC 6103(b)(5).

3. I am a Citizen of these United States3. Here you have defined yourself as a Citizen of all the 50 States united by and under the Constitution. You are not possessed by the Congress (United States2). In this way you have a national domicile, not a State or United States2 domicile and are not subject to any instrumentality or subdivision of corporate governmental entities.

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When reading the various acts of Congress which had declared various people to be "citizens of the United States", it is immediately apparent that many are simply declared "citizens of the United States3" while others are declared to be "citizens of the United States2, subject to the jurisdiction of the United States2." The difference is that the first class of citizen arises when that person is born out of the territorial jurisdiction of the United States2 Government. Which means, that if you were born outside of the federal zone and instead born in one of the 50 sovereign states, you would be a first class citizen. 3A Am Jur 1420, Aliens and Citizens, explains: "A Person is born subject to the jurisdiction of the United States2, for purposes of acquiring citizenship at birth, if his birth occurs in territory over which the United States2 is sovereign ..." This means that if you were born in one of the 50 soveriegn states, your birth certificate was used to grant you citizenship to the United States2 and you would then be under the rule of the United States2 government.
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03/21/2013 08:11 PM
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Re: Is it possible to become a sovereign state citizen legally?
the very definition of sovereign is redundant to the definition of citizen.

There is no such thing.
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So basically, when you were born in one of the 50 sovereign states (excluding territory owned by the government, for example military bases) they used your birth certificate to grant you citizenship into the US government (federal zone) and you then became a subject of that government. (You are then required to abide by the laws that government creates).
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Re: Is it possible to become a sovereign state citizen legally?
the very definition of sovereign is redundant to the definition of citizen.

There is no such thing.
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Technically under the definitions of the law, you would become a "nonresident alien".

Nonresident because you do not live within the federal zone and alien because you are a soveriegn state citizen and not a US government citizen (federal zone citizen)
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