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from a German to all those struggling EU-countries ...

 
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03/22/2013 09:20 AM
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Grandma Vassilikos will lose her money same as will Grandma Montefalcone, as will Grandma Schmidt here;
 Quoting: phoenixe


Grandma Schmidt...

We should have a TV series that's called Grandma Schmidt.

The new Lindenstraße... chuckle
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Never trust a German.

Once a nazi, always a nazi.
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03/22/2013 09:22 AM
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Never trust a German.

Once a nazi, always a nazi.
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I trust Japanese people. Despite their imperial past and Nankin daigyakusatsu...
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03/22/2013 09:32 AM
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Re: from a German to all those struggling EU-countries ...
hf

i know some wonderful germans
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me to I know a good german is a dead one
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The Germans will win this time. Hehe...
This is how:
US dollar collapse. -> US economy collapse. -> UK economy collapse. (Israel will go down with them).

Occupation of Germany OVER.
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03/22/2013 09:33 AM
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I would really recommend that people who give a damn read the book Human Smoke and you will walk away with some idea of what went down leading into WWll as it contains myriads of correspo9ndence and references to acutal meetings and events.

There are no winners or too many good guys in this.

For the idiot who denies bankers involvement in our wars you are negligenly naive.

Again, kudos for anyone who seeks to reapir things not to simply tear them down or beckon doom for doom's sake.
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03/22/2013 09:33 AM
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Re: from a German to all those struggling EU-countries ...
Thanks OP, I'm glad you posted this.
For the last few weeks I've been watching the protestors in Cyprus and almost cheering their 4th Reich placards, Hitler moustaches and anti-German slogans.

Your post stopped me in my tracks and reminded me that none of the people of Europe wanted any of this, and virtually no-one actually voted for it.

There was a Eurocrat on the news a couple of days ago complaining about the Cypriot rejection of the proposed mass theft from Cyprus savings accounts, saying this (the Eurozone)
was supposed to be about one people. Was it? Since when?
I thought it was supposed to be a commercial and economic free trade zone. Nope. Apparently it's a political union....

That's what this is all about
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36417647


A Political Union, perhaps, but definitely not a Union of the Peoples of Europe... a Union of Peoples is much like a marriage... a poly amorious marriage perhaps, but like a marriage nontheless with love and respect of all in the marriage for all in the marriage.

And, Definitely not a one People like the USA for the most part is being melted into... one ethnic, American, one basic fundamental culture, American, one Race even, as the melting is mixed more and more over a slow boiling stirring. WeThePeople becoming One People of all the People's of Planet Earth. Not by Political Will, but by the will and heart of the People of America in the main.

Still, the poly-amorious marriage of the Peoples of America itself is on the rocks being dashed against the rock with the tentacles of a beast in the sea seeking to pull many under the waves to their deaths.
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03/22/2013 09:34 AM
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Oops! Sorry no 9 in correspondence and repair.
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03/22/2013 09:39 AM
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No, he expressed a valid point. Where do you think all that bailout money comes from?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 525676


Then instead of small talk, they should kick Merkel out of the way for allowing the gazzilion of euros which they have in their pocket, to escape Germany.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36601826


So that's their wrongdoing? Not letting their money "escape"?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 525676


Definitely not a wrong move, since Merkel didn't just donate the money. But this specific guy is nothing more that criticism without expressing his own opinion.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36601826


Some times a Loan has to be eaten, or perhaps one would rather must eat the flesh of the Debtor to satisfy one's own hunger. Sad choice, but which is worse in terms of the needs of the General Welfare of All? Soyland Green?
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Then instead of small talk, they should kick Merkel out of the way for allowing the gazzilion of euros which they have in their pocket, to escape Germany.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36601826


So that's their wrongdoing? Not letting their money "escape"?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 525676


Definitely not a wrong move, since Merkel didn't just donate the money. But this specific guy is nothing more that criticism without expressing his own opinion.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36601826


Some times a Loan has to be eaten, or perhaps one would rather must eat the flesh of the Debtor to satisfy one's own hunger. Sad choice, but which is worse in terms of the needs of the General Welfare of All? Soyland Green?
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bad edit, sorry.
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03/22/2013 09:43 AM
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Re: from a German to all those struggling EU-countries ...
You stuid idiot. Germany pays billions into these countries and you apologize? Are you out of your friggin mind?
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What on earth are you talking about? E.U. is the greatest hoax the world has ever seen. The entering in E.U. has brought everywhere only poverty and despair. In my country all factories have been closed,agriculture is about to colapse, hospitals closed ,anything closed just waiting for some change money from Madam Merkel&company.They brought us in this position.
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03/22/2013 09:46 AM
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Re: from a German to all those struggling EU-countries ...
OP, southern countries... Portugal and Spain - not cyprus.

Other then that you got it fairly well. We're all fucked in this together.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36593691


_all_ southern countries.
including Cyprus, of course, if they don´t take the "Icelandic way".
I am really afraid Cyprus government sells of what belongs to the people there.

we´re all in this together, and we´re all fucked.
the bill is paid by the people, the one last in line will have to pay for all who left the table earlier.
 Quoting: phoenixe


THe heads on the block will be the members of Cryus' Legislature, as it perhaps should be.

Remember people of all who live under Constitutional democratic republics, of all flavors, it is the Legislatures that are the more foul order when the shit is hitting the fan. Most national Legislatures have had the power to Levy Taxes, and enforce them on power of might of arms... or at least attempt to... and that power to the Legislature allegedly granted (in most cases) by That People's forefathers, lest a Republic is new and has only one generation of population in that republic.

Strike the Roots, strike the roots of the Legislatures, their 'elected' or 'selected' legislators -- when the foul smell of rot is afloat.
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03/22/2013 09:56 AM
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Re: from a German to all those struggling EU-countries ...
in fact, the people everywhere get poorer.
 Quoting: phoenixe


Agreed!

Believe me I even don't want to take a look out of my window into the "backyard" (or better to say what it once was, many many many years ago) -.-

It just looks like a huge rotten/abandoned compost pile now or what is left over of it, most people cannot even afford curtains for their apartements anymore, instead using pieces of carton to give them back a bit of privacy... same goes for the infrastructure of my location in general. simply everything and everywhere you see nothing but waste and dirt. more and more people are begging each other for money at almost every buildings corner (Duisburg, Rhine-Ruhr-Area).

etc.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36645607


this is something i don´t get at all - and it is off-topic:

when people get poor, most of them seem not to care about a nice environment any more.

if you can afford it and/or want to make a difference and don´t like the view, why not put up an add and ask for donated curtains?
then make a "we clean up together" party with your neighbours with barbequeue.
make a yard sale and stuff. just get together and help each other, don´t seperate!
 Quoting: phoenixe


Perhaps for one small step, do as those in India have done in the past learn to spin thread and wools.. or even hair, and sew your clothes, your curtians, if one can find or have the raw resources on hand for such household manufacturing such as making cloth... hand spinning wheel.. for instance.. it time to get back into household industry.. cottagte industry.. use what ever is on hand, but don't ignore the 'beauty' of your crafting .. hand craft.. or have we all become so disenfrancized that we have only our own human hair from our own heads (and other parts) to make to weave and braid to cloth and garments, and blankets and curtians. Or have we all become so ashamed of even ourselves, that we are paralyized into ignoreing age old practices of the millieniums. When it the going gets tough, the tough get going.. doing what they have to do, and doing it themselves. Which is one reason for the American 2nd Amendment among others.
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Re: from a German to all those struggling EU-countries ...
There's a lot of naivete involved. It already did happen numerous times in exactly the same manner. Most of you don't have it in your history books. We do. History is erased, but most of you live in countries that were formed from the last collapse, tribe movement or in modern terms "multiculture" and "economic collapse" with war. Try to find info about dark ages. You won't. Civilizations were exterminated and survivors were living in unimaginable poverty, slavery. Life expectancy dropped more than twice. Both enslaved people and what you call "elite" were falling like leaves. Once people start living in poverty, less "elite", artists, inventors, craftsmen can live from that and struggle for survival starts on every level. "Elite" or ruling class always take everything over, start struggle between themselves for declining scarce resources and skilled people there have no chance of survival or are not needed. There are no winners just misery, continuous decline of all human achievements.
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03/22/2013 10:03 AM
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I am very interested about elections in Germany.
 Quoting: Skylla 26208191


Will they, are they being entered with the use of untraceable hackable electronic voting machines? Is so, the elections are then worthless, as Americans are already coming to realize... yet the Americans are not taking axes in mass to those self same electronic voting machines as if they were bootleg whiskey barrels.
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03/22/2013 10:03 AM
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Re: from a German to all those struggling EU-countries ...
god foresaken race that loses every war and then want to talk about other countries
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In a one on one war the USA would have lasted a few months at the most against Germany.
There is no shame involved if a small country not bigger than a speck on a worldmap has to fight dozens of countries in a multi front war and still lasted many years.
 Quoting: Tekunda



Whatever... we beat you with our right hand, while our left was taking on Japan.


 Quoting: TraderRob


Oh Fuck,the US was sitting around with Stalin for two fucking years having a circle jerk with your right hand and playing Johnny Cash tunes on Churchill's skin flute.
 Quoting: Mister1k


Aye... Canuk... and what was your frozen ass doing at the time?

WE WON the war... we get to write history... and I say we beat them with one hand! ;-p
Have a nice day = GFY. GFY = Go Fuck Yourself. If this offends you then have a nice day.
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03/22/2013 10:06 AM
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Re: from a German to all those struggling EU-countries ...
There's a lot of naivete involved. It already did happen numerous times in exactly the same manner. Most of you don't have it in your history books. We do. History is erased, but most of you live in countries that were formed from the last collapse, tribe movement or in modern terms "multiculture" and "economic collapse" with war. Try to find info about dark ages. You won't. Civilizations were exterminated and survivors were living in unimaginable poverty, slavery. Life expectancy dropped more than twice. Both enslaved people and what you call "elite" were falling like leaves. Once people start living in poverty, less "elite", artists, inventors, craftsmen can live from that and struggle for survival starts on every level. "Elite" or ruling class always take everything over, start struggle between themselves for declining scarce resources and skilled people there have no chance of survival or are not needed. There are no winners just misery, continuous decline of all human achievements.
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bump this post.
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03/22/2013 10:10 AM
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Re: from a German to all those struggling EU-countries ...
Thanks OP, I'm glad you posted this.
For the last few weeks I've been watching the protestors in Cyprus and almost cheering their 4th Reich placards, Hitler moustaches and anti-German slogans.

Your post stopped me in my tracks and reminded me that none of the people of Europe wanted any of this, and virtually no-one actually voted for it.

There was a Eurocrat on the news a couple of days ago complaining about the Cypriot rejection of the proposed mass theft from Cyprus savings accounts, saying this (the Eurozone)
was supposed to be about one people. Was it? Since when?
I thought it was supposed to be a commercial and economic free trade zone. Nope. Apparently it's a political union....

That's what this is all about
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36417647



it is a political union invented to control the people of EU countries and to make the rich tptb ones behind that all even richer.

iceland was test nr 1, they played the game along and took the emergency brakes in the last moment - now they do well again.

cyprus is test nr 2, and i really do hope they go the icelandic way and show tptb they know how the game is played, too.

and i do hope whoever is next in that game, will show tptb the middle finger as well.

i am fine with all those countries taking that EU money, as this money _is not real_ at all!
so it´s like a big monopoly game with monopoly money.
in the end, there´s winners and losers - in a game.

this is what we must be aware of, it is not real.
and we, the people who are forced to play that game are the ones who can keep this game "unreal".
if we don´t let it affect us personally, tptb will lose in the end.
 Quoting: phoenixe


One perhaps needs to come to grips with the simple fact that some of TPTB are in fact Universal Physical Principles.. no, these select of TPTB are not human, then are not even spirits, nor aliens, they are the forces of the Universal Physical Prinicples of the powers of nature, that mankind is still trying to discover, and understand, and learn wisdom in how to apply effectively.
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03/22/2013 10:13 AM
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Re: from a German to all those struggling EU-countries ...
whatever you do remember we will gas anyone that gets in our way.
Its the only form of population control I know of, that and sterilization of unecessary pigs and rats.
Instant death of useless idiots, sterilization of pointless women.
We have no mercy left for convoluted logic white trash.
We care not what your mouths say we look at your fruits and if we demm them irrelevant to the future we eliminate yuo.
Period
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Who are these WE you speak of? Those of the British Empire? (not the British People, btw).

Perhaps, this WE are all the Empires.
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03/22/2013 10:26 AM
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would be great if the people in the southern countries understand this, and stop tearing down our flag and calling us "nazis". We are not our Government.
 Quoting: phoenixe


If you were actual Nazis, Europe wouldn't be having this problem!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24760791


lol.. you´re somewhat right, i have to admit.
EU is the same principle as some of those historic leaders always wanted to achieve, Napoleon and Hitler, and the ancient Romans.
They couldn´t establish it with wars, why should it work out this time by forced economic war?
 Quoting: phoenixe


PAX EUROPA. The handbook of the NAZI was written at the London School of Economics, funded by the Anglo-Dutch-American Empire... hand maidens of the Holy Roman Empire... the Roman Empire transformed as a 'butterfly'. THe same London School of Economics also wrote the new Communist Manifesto, and it likewise was funded by the same Anglo-Dutch-American Empire. Communism has existed for tens of centuries, it is not a new thing. It was even attempted at the Plymouth Colony in the New World, in North America in 1620.. and it failed. the Jamestown Colony started also communist, failed and was converted to fascism, and likewise fail, never to be seen again until its ruins were discovered.

In such view, it is not a people, it is an ideaology, this NAZI thing. Its seeds were planted in German soil, that seed had to die before the seeds of the ideaology could germinate, grow, and then like danelion seed fruit to seeds and be blown around on the winds of the Earth to become a global plantation of such seeds.


In such similar view, it is not a people, it is an ideaology, this COMMUNIST thing. Its seeds were planted in Russian soil, that seed had to die before the seeds of the ideaology could germinate, grow, and then like danelion seed fruit to seeds and be blown around on the winds of the Earth to become a global plantation of such seeds.

In such similar view, it is not a people, it is an ideaology, this SOCIALISM thing. Its seeds were planted in France soil, that seed had to die before the seeds of the ideaology could germinate, grow, and then like danelion seed fruit to seeds and be blown around on the winds of the Earth to become a global plantation of such seeds.

In such ancient similar view, it is not a people, it is an ideaology, this PREDATORY-CAPITALISM thing. Its seeds were planted in all over the world's soil, that seed had to die before the seeds of the ideaology could germinate, grow, and then like danelion seed fruit to seeds and be blown around on the winds of the Earth to become a global plantation of such seeds. The Peoples of the Sea, aka. the Priates of Rape and Plunder upon the peoples of the Ground. Priates of Raiding and Trading.
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Re: from a German to all those struggling EU-countries ...
please don´t forget Merkel is just a puppet on a string, she´s not speaking for the people of Germany !

we´re all in this together, and in the end, the people of Germany will have to pay the biggest bill of all, as we are the scapegoat and "guilty" forever.

we´re the last in line when all EU-countries got robbed.

would be great if the people in the southern countries understand this, and stop tearing down our flag and calling us "nazis". We are not our Government.

Don´t forget the saying "if elections would change anything, they would be forbidden instantly".

Grandma Vassilikos will lose her money same as will Grandma Montefalcone, as will Grandma Schmidt here;
besides Grandma Schmidt (if she´s old enough) has experienced this robbery twice in her life already.
But Grandma Schmidt does feel helpless to do anything against this happening again, as she experienced being blamed for everything in her past "you are guilty".
Please understand this.
hf
 Quoting: phoenixe


Fool.

People leave germany because they do not want to work for 4 euros a hour.

The target 2 debt owed to germany is gigantic .. and you will never get the money you actually worked for.

So is the money lent out to the south and wasted for various nonsensical "EU-projects" in some deserts (we are talking billions here ... robbed from the net-countries tax payers)


Another time germany gets robbed and thrown into poverty ... and you feel guilty ?

WTF ??

You are badly brainwashed.

And i give a crap about PIIGS feeding on our hard work.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 331367


Understand the proper use of the Quote Marks in English text.. "you are guilty" translates in this context as 'as if you are guilty'. It is sarcasm. So, perhaps English in not your first langauge, but to be fair, many that are native English speakers don't understand the proper writing of that langauge to text. Yet, should someone remind them of the 'proper use of English grammar' such get accused of -- guess what? -- being a Grammar NAZI. Go figure.
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would be great if the people in the southern countries understand this, and stop tearing down our flag and calling us "nazis". We are not our Government.
 Quoting: phoenixe


If you were actual Nazis, Europe wouldn't be having this problem!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24760791


Being bombed to pieces by America is a bigger problem, I'd say.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 525676


Guess who financed that "movement" ?

The same guess who put people like .. Saddam into power ?
Those that supported the Taliban ?

Hmm .. i see a pattern developing.

Build them up .. bomb them down .. rake in the dough.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 331367


Look to the City of London; New York City, New York, USA; the Vatican, and the City of the District of Columbia, USA. Using this pair of sunglasses.. the blindly light of bullshit is reduced so you can better see the pattern developing.
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Re: from a German to all those struggling EU-countries ...
I don't think Germany will suffer that hard this time. The rulers of this world have built up 2 major economic zones over many decades: China (for bulk manufacturing), and Germany (for hi-tech that requires critical technological know-how). And at the same time, other nations have been weakened on purpose, especially the USA.

I think they are planning a global economic collapse, leading to a new World War, where the US will be brought down several notches, permanently. The Americans are playing the part of "nazis" this time around, and they will lose badly. Both economically and in "spirit".

But a major war cannot be allowed to destroy critical scientific and technological infra-structure. And that's why Germany will be spared this time IMO. It's where the rulers have their assets! And probably some surrounding nations as well, like Sweden (Sweden is a province of Germany, economically speaking. Our industry is mainly trading with Germany.)

The ultimate winners after the upcoming war is going to be a coalition of Germany-Russia-China (Russia is militarily important, and a critical energy resource).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 300884


The only ones who'll be spared are the ones who'll be in underground cities. The rest of us will be left on the surface to die.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16604126


There are likely plenty of unknown virii, bacteria, and ameoba to be found in the soil of the UnderGround, that could still bring about massive plague within the peoples of the UnderGround. Not to mention likely unknown pests. WE know what is underground even far less than we know all of what is in the oceans.

A 1/2 Km- 1Km asteroid impact and even the underground is not necessary a safe place with the crust of the Earth being turned into molden lava regional or even planet wide. They can run, but they cannot hide for long.
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Re: from a German to all those struggling EU-countries ...
I said it before and I say it again. The strangle hold can be broken in a very simple way. Everybody and I mean everybody stays home for one or two weeks. The weather is slowly improving therefore stay home with your families, take a walk in the park, read a book, what ever, just
DON'T riot in the streets,
DON'T burn down government property as it is actually public property, DON'T confront police or military forces,
DON'T shout from the roof tops, just stay home peacefully and quiet.
You also must keep your younger people at home as they tend to create violence in their youthful ignorance.
Make sure you park your car during that time as no gas stations would be open.
Two weeks of no car pollution would really help the environment too.

How long will it take before any Government will collapse?

Use Facebook, twitter, texting, etc, etc, to set a date.
Do what Gandhi did without the marching.

NEVER ever engage police or others. They are in the same boat as us. STAY HOME!

Remember Violence and War has never resolved anything. Peaceful Action is the answer to all of this.

Look at Iceland for Inspiration.
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please don´t forget Merkel is just a puppet on a string, she´s not speaking for the people of Germany !

we´re all in this together, and in the end, the people of Germany will have to pay the biggest bill of all, as we are the scapegoat and "guilty" forever.

we´re the last in line when all EU-countries got robbed.

would be great if the people in the southern countries understand this, and stop tearing down our flag and calling us "nazis". We are not our Government.

Don´t forget the saying "if elections would change anything, they would be forbidden instantly".

Grandma Vassilikos will lose her money same as will Grandma Montefalcone, as will Grandma Schmidt here;
besides Grandma Schmidt (if she´s old enough) has experienced this robbery twice in her life already.
But Grandma Schmidt does feel helpless to do anything against this happening again, as she experienced being blamed for everything in her past "you are guilty".
Please understand this.
hf
 Quoting: phoenixe


Fool.

People leave germany because they do not want to work for 4 euros a hour.

The target 2 debt owed to germany is gigantic .. and you will never get the money you actually worked for.

So is the money lent out to the south and wasted for various nonsensical "EU-projects" in some deserts (we are talking billions here ... robbed from the net-countries tax payers)


Another time germany gets robbed and thrown into poverty ... and you feel guilty ?

WTF ??

You are badly brainwashed.

And i give a crap about PIIGS feeding on our hard work.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 331367


same as i wrote to another AC:
i am not apologizing and i do not feel guilty.

look at the bigger picture.
it is no real money, it is a monopoly game where we all are forced to participate, until we realize the only winners are tptb.

if anyone gets poorer it is because _we_ let it happen by not leaving the game.
 Quoting: phoenixe


All the gold on and in Earth, all the silver on and in Earth
kept in one small peoples hands will still be a monopoly. Gold and Silver are not REAL money, though they might be REAL currency, for this reasoning.
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Re: from a German to all those struggling EU-countries ...
I don't think Germany will suffer that hard this time. The rulers of this world have built up 2 major economic zones over many decades: China (for bulk manufacturing), and Germany (for hi-tech that requires critical technological know-how). And at the same time, other nations have been weakened on purpose, especially the USA.

I think they are planning a global economic collapse, leading to a new World War, where the US will be brought down several notches, permanently. The Americans are playing the part of "nazis" this time around, and they will lose badly. Both economically and in "spirit".

But a major war cannot be allowed to destroy critical scientific and technological infra-structure. And that's why Germany will be spared this time IMO. It's where the rulers have their assets! And probably some surrounding nations as well, like Sweden (Sweden is a province of Germany, economically speaking. Our industry is mainly trading with Germany.)

The ultimate winners after the upcoming war is going to be a coalition of Germany-Russia-China (Russia is militarily important, and a critical energy resource).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 300884


your points are valid from the side you´re looking at it all, but i can´t agree about the winners.

this economic system is all about growth, and there´s only so much natural growth available.

artifical growth is the fuel to keep the machine running.
Selling technology to china, producing things cheap there, only to sell them in masses back to people who get poorer and are happy to be able to buy anything at all, but can´t afford things being produced in their own country anymore.
this happens everywhere.
we´ll see this happening in china as well, once they get richer, they will produce abroad, too.

this is a cycle invented to keep the machine running, one time a country is rich, one time it´s poor, only to become rich again.

the roles of the ones being the bad guys and the good guys will maybe be switched this time, but the game is always the same.

there will be no real winners once again, and i honestly don´t see germany being anything but the scapegoat in the end again; enslaved by russia-china or whomever, it is just a different slavemaster.
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You are correct, and I should perhaps clarify. "Winner" is a relative term. The main thing is, natural resources are running out, the Americans are using up way too much of them, and they will therefore be taken down to keep the ball rolling a while longer. That's the main theme we'll see happening.

Everyone is going to be a loser, but the Americans are the ones who are specially targeted. Their most important asset is their vast arable land, and they do not need to be a nation of wealthy middle-class whites to produce crops.

When it comes to Europe, the Southern parts have been abandoned as a lost cause. They will not see a return to anything near earlier levels of prosperity. It's the Northern (often called "core") parts of Europe, with Germany as the natural center, that is being kept around in a semi-prosperous state, at least for the time being.

My personal opinion is that our rulers have a knack for making everything they touch worse, but we would have a difficult future even without them, because this planet's ecosystem is incapable of carrying the current human load. Something must go. The rulers have made their plans, even if they aren't telling us openly about them.

I'd advise Southern Europeans to live off the land if they can. Social security isn't going to be what it once was anywhere, but doubly so if you don't live in the "core" nations (the ruler's term, not mine).
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We are not running out of raw resources, that is a slogan used by the controling human powers that be. What we are getting short of are raw resources that are relatively easy to get to in order to use. The Planet is a huge volume of stuff and we only assume we really know what is in the 99.999999% of the volume of the matter of the Earth's body.

There is an incredible amount of Gold to be had in the Ocean salt-waters.. enough that everyone one of the current some 7 Billion people on Earth could have equally several pounds worth of gold. But it has been 'deemed' that it is too expensive to extract it, because it costs too much gold to extract it.. become everyone seems to be mind-controlled into thinking that Gold is the only REAL money. The real reason is because 'they' know that if all that gold were actuall extracted out, then gold would be on par with copper, perhaps. But you might get the picture.. i.e., we have all been being conned big time.
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the germans burden..

unpin this bolox

no1 blames u
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okay.. even those of German House of Saxe-Colberg-Gothe, that House's too!
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would be great if the people in the southern countries understand this, and stop tearing down our flag and calling us "nazis". We are not our Government.
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Fascism never died in Germany, it just uses now economy instead of weapons to subdue other nations. The whole middle-class (and of course the upper-class) is now pure fascistic and also large parts of the lower-class.

I can give our European neighbours only one advice:
Make war against Germany! And do it fast or you will be lost. You can only save yourself by attacking and killing as many germans as possible. Do not hesitate because of some remaining good guys there, makes no sense. Kill me first if it helps. Kill Germany!
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THe U.S. Constitution was designed to balance the destructive forces of the idealogies of Fascism, Socialism, Communism, and Predatory Capitalism. This design because the founders of that governmental machine's design was as such by the founderies, in the understanding that it is next to immpossible for man to kill of all the various ideaologies, but they did see, a hope, in a method to control and regulate all the powers of such idealogies.

Unfortunatley the Mechanical Tune-up mechanics of the enginve of the US Government, those mechanics being the US Congress members over generations, have slowly forgotten the proper tune-up procedures and have lost the skill and knowledge. They are now putting 9 quarts of 90w oil in the crank case designed to use 10-30weight oil and 5 quarts. They have set the tires to an air pressure of 100 PSI for tires designed for 32 PSI.. they have used 10w lube for the rear/front end drive gears. They have put gasoline in the break lines, and brake fluid in the gasoline tank. They have filled the radiator with tooth paste. They are usig half power candle light head ligths.. and drive nearly blind at the near the speed of sound. The machine is vibrating so bad, it is about to totally explode and kill them and nearly everone else in the USA in one fell swoop.

But the design was as sound as any good engine and car that can be found. Too bad the operators have been so dumbed down.

So, what of that German Constitution.. or even the Constitution of the E.U. and its Design features?
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well.. that natural ressources thing is sold to us, but Cyprus is a good example: there still are natural ressources.
southern countries are sold to us as lost causes, you´re right, especially about the term "sold".
but they aren´t.
they are made to believe they are losers, because they have something of value, either oil/gas or climate to produce crops.

every country should do what it is able to do - some invent technology, some are good at producing crops, some have other abilities.
like individual people, we need all of them, and all of them need to work together.
But we have to realize this first and then take action.

This not happening is all a big scam, just think about alternative energy ressources, about cars running on an invention made over 100years ago (and with the same amount of fuel) when there already could have been better solutions if they aren´t surpressed by - let´s guess who!
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I keep thinking of solar-electric power systems... and wondering why the big solar-electric farms? Why not a 4Kw plant on each city lot (or whatever area such lot is in terms of Energy Flux Density) with a fully engaged public power grid being fed to and from the power-net, along with the public utilities power geneartion power plants of various kinds. Put the people first.. put each residental lot (even apartment complex) in use to also being solar-electric plants 1kw to 10Kw.. such a setup begins to be much more like the way the energy systems work in the animal body.. or organic plant body. We have been viewing it all back wards so that the Controler of a few control the power of many and the many have no real choice to use their own production for themselves and donate it when its not being needed or used by themselves.

Let the storage of that grid's be at the Public Utilities be store in the more tradition collection tanks.

Off topic? Yeah.. at current tech.. a square foot of solar panel and coverted into 110 or 220 Volt 50-60 Hz A.C. can produce somewhere are 80 to 92 Watts of power (instaneous?)


The big question is why are solar-electric panels still so fracking expensive.. its just silicon. It starts as Sand.. one of the most abundance raw materials on the planet.
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People talk this Fascism bullshit and label Germany yet when you search the definition of fascism>
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
I don't see Hitlers name there. FFS
That was an Italian thing. Somehow Nazi and fascism get rolled into one. Guilt by association. Right!
Italian people hang Mussolini. Yah
German people hang Hitler. Nein!

I wonder what it was like a week before the world war two started ?
Lets see.
Lets check out history not his story.
Yah Think Hitler started that shit.
Do yah?
I know common sense is hardly common but,

"The man who has no sense of history, is like a man who has no ears or eyes." Adolf Hitler


[link to www.youtube.com]

When the Pogrom's castrated 5 German boys under 5 years old
Adolf Hitler said fuck that shit!!


[link to www.youtube.com]

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Fascism never died in Germany, it just uses now economy instead of weapons to subdue other nations. The whole middle-class (and of course the upper-class) is now pure fascistic and also large parts of the lower-class.

I can give our European neighbours only one advice:
Make war against Germany! And do it fast or you will be lost. You can only save yourself by attacking and killing as many germans as possible. Do not hesitate because of some remaining good guys there, makes no sense. Kill me first if it helps. Kill Germany!
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you, AC from Germany, if you are from this country and not using a proxy, are just plain stupid.iamwith
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And you are a fool who don't know the dark side of the soul of our nation.
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maybe you want to make your own thread about that?

because there is no such thing as kin liability any more.
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Indeed the peoples of ever nation equally have the same sort of the dark side of the soul. We all do. Its Mankind's not just any particular peoples.





GLP