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Sounds like The Ego to me.
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"Ego" is the 'thinker'.

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Sounds like The Ego to me.
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"Ego" is the 'thinker'.

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Yes. Hard to get him to shutup. LOL
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Focused Intent, (love that screenname) great thread!

I havnt read that second description of the predators before, thanks.

not understanding your graphic too well though.. but please continue to shed as much light on this subject as possible!

Archons for me are hard to make any sense out of. Ive read many different ideas about.

Im not sure the Archons are the same as the Predator. I have read the Archons are an energetic mind parisite but also there is a chance they are part of the plan or "school"

Michal has intresting ideas about these things but seems to have one track so its hard to make any sense of his ideas except his way. sorry Michael..

I'd love for you to be able to discuss your ideas of conciousness without the gospel aspects. not because I have anything against them but they seriously confuse things and even though you are completely opposite of a traditional bible thumper, you still seem like one. I say this from a constructive critique so hopefully you will read it that way.

could you explain your ideas without them? how does Taoism ying/yang fit in with Archons and predator?
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From "Mastery of Awareness" (toltec warriors)

"Important lessons from the mastery of awareness include recognizing that the mind is always dreaming, respecting the influence of the parasite, and embracing the possibility of transforming the dream and healing the disease of the mind. The judge is the ruler of the old dream, which the Toltecs aptly call “hell” because of the endless judgment and condemnation involved. The warrior is the architect and true king of the new dream, which is also called “heaven on Earth,” because of the foundation of love and acceptance that supports it."

"The purest state of love is total acceptance. Love as acceptance is the healing balm for fear. Thus, the warrior is the antidote for the disease of the parasite in the human mind."
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"Redeeming your parasite"

" As the warrior travels the path of transformation, he realizes that the parasite is a more complex issue than he first understood. Now, strengthened by his journey, the warrior has the opportunity to re-examine his relationship with the parasite. He has gathered enough personal power to embrace his parasite in love, and to make his knowledge and his body his allies."

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Michal has intresting ideas about these things but seems to have one track so its hard to make any sense of his ideas except his way. sorry Michael..

I'd love for you to be able to discuss your ideas of conciousness without the gospel aspects. not because I have anything against them but they seriously confuse things and even though you are completely opposite of a traditional bible thumper, you still seem like one. I say this from a constructive critique so hopefully you will read it that way.

could you explain your ideas without them? how does Taoism ying/yang fit in with Archons and predator?
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Sure. No problem.

I usually include the references to the Revelations for the sake of completeness.

There is a non-dualistic "observing consciousness" in the Eastern esoteric traditions; perhaps the best explanation of which is to be found in the writings of J. Krishnamurti with regards to, specifically, the consciousness of the 'thinker'; which he considers to be the origin of the duality.

In fact, the duality originates in the 'movement' of self-reflection, which is an activity of the nervous system for the purpose of preserving the biological existence of the organism; it originates in fear and desire.

This 'movement' of self-reflection is the origin of the 'spatiality' of the "ego", which I prefer to call the "self". The consciousness of the 'thinker', then, is the extension of the 'spatiality' of the "self" or the "ego in time. This dualistic consciousness assumes its form and extension as an introjection of things experienced in the spacet-time reality; or, the existence of this dualistic consciousness is projected upon sensations and perceptions of the space-time reality.

If I had to define the "Archons" in other terms, they would be duality, time and space as pertaining to the origin of the phenomenal consciousness; that is the consciousness directed toward the space-time reality of illusion or samsara.

The dualistic consciousness of the "self" operates on the basis of the creation of images; the first image it creates being itself. Similarly, the consciousness of the 'thinker' operates on the basis of thoughts; the first thought it postulates being the thought of the 'thinker' which, then, 'thinks' other thoughts. But, in fact, there is no such thing as the verb "to think". It is a violation of Occam's Razor.

All of these images and thoughts, however, originate in duality and illusion and cannot touch the realm of objective reality.

So, how does this relate to the yin and the yang?

The "self" has an image of itself as being the center of the universe and the origin of all good. Thus, the "not self" is the origin of all evil. This is the white and the black aspects of the yin and yang.

But to get beyond violence, one must step outside of not only the consciousness of the 'thinker'--which J. Krishnamurti talks about in great detail--but, also, the consciousness of the "self" or the "ego", which is to be found only in a very small degree in any of his writings, if at all.

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Im not sure the Archons are the same as the Predator. I have read the Archons are an energetic mind parisite but also there is a chance they are part of the plan or "school"
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Oh it is the same thing. I am speaking about a mind parasite, but what is confusing is that it is not attached to your physical body. It is attached to your spiritual body. I try not to get into this right away because it causes confusion, but the reality you are experiencing is a creation of your mind. It is sustained by your internal dialogue.

I will give you a simple example. Your ego (the predator) tells you that you are ugly. You believe that you are ugly. You begin to act shy and reclusive as if you were ugly. Because the way you are acting people will treat you differently. You will believe they are treating you differently because you are ugly. Thus you have created a reality where you are ugly and you will interpret all the information you receive to confirm that belief. Reality is subjective and contrary to what people think everybody is not experiencing the same thing.

Energy is being stolen from you.
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I'd love for you to be able to discuss your ideas of conciousness without the gospel aspects. not because I have anything against them but they seriously confuse things and even though you are completely opposite of a traditional bible thumper, you still seem like one. I say this from a constructive critique so hopefully you will read it that way.

could you explain your ideas without them? how does Taoism ying/yang fit in with Archons and predator?
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You can't discuss consciousness and *not* bring up the Gospel Of Thomas!

Jesus talked about *universal* concepts.
He had nothing to do with "religion" at all.

Read the Tao and Gospel Of Thomas back to back.
Massive similarities will spring up in your mind.
Even if the literal words don't match.


[link to www.gnosis.org]

[link to terebess.hu]

Oh, and forget about the "gnostic" label they have put on the GOT. Just read it as a text and don't worry about that stuff. If something is truth...it will be self-evident.

Enjoy.
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Im not sure the Archons are the same as the Predator. I have read the Archons are an energetic mind parisite but also there is a chance they are part of the plan or "school"
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Oh it is the same thing. I am speaking about a mind parasite, but what is confusing is that it is not attached to your physical body. It is attached to your spiritual body.
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Once again, I would suggest that you are introducing confusion here.

One of the images created by the "self" or the "ego" is that of a "spiritual body". That image, and any other image, is, in and of itself, a consequence of both fear and desire; that is, duality. And, to that extent, it is a creation of the predator consciousness from which you are trying to escape in the first place.

To get beyond the duality, you have to strike at the root of the tree which creates images in the first place.

Same goes for the word 'mind'.

There is not any 'mind' any more than there is an "ether" as defined by classical physics.

There are sensations, perceptions, emotions and thoughts, but there is no 'mind' to experience such things.

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I'd love for you to be able to discuss your ideas of conciousness without the gospel aspects. not because I have anything against them but they seriously confuse things and even though you are completely opposite of a traditional bible thumper, you still seem like one. I say this from a constructive critique so hopefully you will read it that way.

could you explain your ideas without them? how does Taoism ying/yang fit in with Archons and predator?
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You can't discuss consciousness and *not* bring up the Gospel Of Thomas!

Jesus talked about *universal* concepts.
He had nothing to do with "religion" at all.

Read the Tao and Gospel Of Thomas back to back.
Massive similarities will spring up in your mind.
Even if the literal words don't match.


[link to www.gnosis.org]

[link to terebess.hu]

Oh, and forget about the "gnostic" label they have put on the GOT. Just read it as a text and don't worry about that stuff. If something is truth...it will be self-evident.

Enjoy.
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As much as I tend to agree with your statement about consciousness and the Gospel of Thomas, the fact of the matter is that, on certain occasions, J. Krishnamurti did quite well in discussing the problems of the dualistic consciousness of the 'thinker' without ever mentioning the Gospel of Thomas. Of course, he had only a partial appreciation of the depth of the problem of duality. All I'm saying is that his observations are not worthless. One can go from J. Krishnamurti to the Gospel of Thomas for a more complete explanation of consciousness.

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I'd love for you to be able to discuss your ideas of conciousness without the gospel aspects. not because I have anything against them but they seriously confuse things and even though you are completely opposite of a traditional bible thumper, you still seem like one. I say this from a constructive critique so hopefully you will read it that way.

could you explain your ideas without them? how does Taoism ying/yang fit in with Archons and predator?
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You can't discuss consciousness and *not* bring up the Gospel Of Thomas!

Jesus talked about *universal* concepts.
He had nothing to do with "religion" at all.

Read the Tao and Gospel Of Thomas back to back.
Massive similarities will spring up in your mind.
Even if the literal words don't match.


[link to www.gnosis.org]

[link to terebess.hu]

Oh, and forget about the "gnostic" label they have put on the GOT. Just read it as a text and don't worry about that stuff. If something is truth...it will be self-evident.

Enjoy.
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Where can you find some good interpretations of the Gospel of Thomas?
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Where can you find some good interpretations of the Gospel of Thomas?


3 different translations at the link I gave:
[link to www.gnosis.org]

Another resource with the original Coptic text:
[link to gospel-thomas.net]

See also:
"The Original Gospel of Thomas in Translation - April De Conick"
[link to www.amazon.com]
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Where can you find some good interpretations of the Gospel of Thomas?
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I have two recordings on the Gospel of Thomas and 4 recordings on the Three Dimensions of Consciousness on my 4Q529 YouTube channel.

I also discuss the Gospel of Thomas in much more detail in Towards A New Paradigm of Consciousness, to be found at:

[link to science-of-consciousness.blogspot.com]

Michael

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The Lambdin translation I linked first is "supposedly" one of the best. Explained here by Michael Grondin:
[link to gospel-thomas.net]

The Meyer-Patterson versions don't translate something properly. It's some kind of "gender neutral" agenda thing.
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"There are sensations, perceptions, emotions and thoughts, but there is no 'mind' to experience such things."

Michael, thanks for explaining your perspective without the gospel content. the gospels get interpreted in so many different ways that it makes them counter productive today.

about the "mind" though, you have concluded it doesnt exsist which is odd to me. I am not an expert in these things but from what I gather is that the Only thing that does exsist IS mind. not my mind or yours or any person but The Mind.

"The Mind" as in God or Tao and everything created from it.


Im glad to find you here though, I have read all your threads at the other conspiracy site (higher than above secret) I never joined that one though so I could never see you signature that refered to your blog you mentioned there alot.

yesterday I noticed you have linked it in your profile page here so I have read a good bit of it an watched the three part interview of you also.

the 2d viewpoint is interesting and reminds me alot of another member of that other site "matrixtraveler" you may have read his threads, very intresting that one also.


Im just a knewb in all these areas of study but so far to me it seems the Taoist philosophy is most benificial. I havent read much of J. Krismuarti (sp?) but hope to soon.

all the gospels and the Nag Hamadi are great too but alot of difficulty understanding them and no practical instruction set like the Taoists have. not that I have found yet anyway.

thanks
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So, for total reductionism we can say that there is all of that stuff out there, which we should not take for granted, and all of the stuff 'in here'. This is still duelism however, so to reconcile this perhaps we can say that only 'all the stuff in here' exists with various inputs, some of which are credible (reason, intuition), and some are not (crude material world)?
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I also discuss the Gospel of Thomas in much more detail in Towards A New Paradigm of Consciousness, to be found at:

[link to science-of-consciousness.blogspot.com]

Michael
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Very good stuff.


Tangentially related (or not!), have you ever read "The Human Evasion" by Celia Green?:

It's free on the net now:
[link to deoxy.org]

Hah. Right on the first page:

"I am reminded of a book called Flatland in which an imaginary two-dimensional world is described. Towards the end of the book a non-dimensional being is encountered -- a point in space. The observers listen to what it is saying (but of course, since they are of higher dimensionality than its own, the point being cannot observe them in any way). What it is saying to itself, in a scarcely audible tinkling voice, is something like this: "I am alpha and omega, the beginning and the end. I am that which is and I am all in all to myself. There is nothing other than me, I am everything and all of everything is all of me and all of me is all of everything..."

The human race has taken to producing similar noises. Perhaps we would not be surprised at the sociologists murmuring to themselves from time to time, "in society we live and move and have our being", as they scurry from communal centre to therapeutic group, but these days everyone is at it."
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I also discuss the Gospel of Thomas in much more detail in Towards A New Paradigm of Consciousness, to be found at:

[link to science-of-consciousness.blogspot.com]

Michael
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Very good stuff.


Tangentially related (or not!), have you ever read "The Human Evasion" by Celia Green?:

It's free on the net now:
[link to deoxy.org]

Hah. Right on the first page:

"I am reminded of a book called Flatland in which an imaginary two-dimensional world is described. Towards the end of the book a non-dimensional being is encountered -- a point in space. The observers listen to what it is saying (but of course, since they are of higher dimensionality than its own, the point being cannot observe them in any way). What it is saying to itself, in a scarcely audible tinkling voice, is something like this: "I am alpha and omega, the beginning and the end. I am that which is and I am all in all to myself. There is nothing other than me, I am everything and all of everything is all of me and all of me is all of everything..."

The human race has taken to producing similar noises. Perhaps we would not be surprised at the sociologists murmuring to themselves from time to time, "in society we live and move and have our being", as they scurry from communal centre to therapeutic group, but these days everyone is at it."
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Thanks for all of this info guys, you are all clearly very informed and realistic. Love the flatland idea, it turns up in theosophical discussions, theoretical physics, biology etc etc.... wait, was that a beach ball?...

I've been reading Chogyam Trungpa's Myth of Freedom recently and found it to be a great source of clarity, if I can add some value for you lot.

I've also been trying to trace various Gnostic routes, Cathars, Bogomils etc, and by paths and trails the characters are often interchangable but it seems to lead back to Hathor, Thoth, Osiris or the Sumerian texts. Then of course we run out of writing..

I suppose nothing is written in a vacuum and that's all I'm seeing here - inspiration on top of inspiration, again leaving the inevitable conclusion to be that a book can not tell you the truth. Perhaps that is the one true message in esoteria.

As a Zen master once said: Truth is truth.
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""The Human Evasion" by Celia Green?:

It's free on the net now:
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HA! thanks for the link. I gave it a quick read.. could not make a bit of sense out of it but thats not uncommon for me.


she seems intensly focused in definine "sanity" oddly the version of it she describes seems 180deg out to me.

I might be insane, but if our modern society is considered sane then Im content with being insane.
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"Energy is being stolen from you."

OP, I read this alot too and just finished watching the new 3.5 hr video from M. Tzarion on Psycic vampirism and the root of evil. look it up, worth the time IMO



as far as Archons stealing energy from us, I dont doubt it but I do think that is a main function of cosmic ecology. I dont like it but perhaps it can be no other way?
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Give this man a standing ovation!
To an extent, these ideas/truths are all connected/interchangeable.
They do come from a common source. I'm pretty convinced of that.

(17) Jesus said, "I shall give you what no eye has seen and what no ear has heard and what no hand has touched and what has never occurred to the human mind."

You can't top that.



On the topic of "truth":

If you read/experience something that is not the truth...it will show. Might seem great at the moment but...falsity has no real staying power. Empty calories. Leaves a bad taste in your mouth so to speak. You will innately feel it's "fakeness". If you are really paying attention that is:

(5) Jesus said, "Recognize what is in your sight, and that which is hidden from you will become plain to you . For there is nothing hidden which will not become manifest."

You have to *recognize* what you are seeing. It's not enough to just physically "see" it. The (deliberately?) false ideas will then expose themselves to you...
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""The Human Evasion" by Celia Green?:

HA! thanks for the link. I gave it a quick read.. could not make a bit of sense out of it but thats not uncommon for me.


she seems intensly focused in definine "sanity" oddly the version of it she describes seems 180deg out to me.

I might be insane, but if our modern society is considered sane then Im content with being insane.
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Read her book in depth...then read it again ;)

Her writing is seemingly odd, satire-ish but deadly serious all at the same time. The unvarnished truth is very stark.
It's very assaulting to our "everyday" sensibilities.

She's skewering mainstream thought and pointing a finger at the naked emperor. That takes guts.
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From Michaels blog:

"Thus, as far as I have been able to determine, all current efforts to develop a new a new understanding of consciousness are and have been focused exclusively on the development of a new “science” of consciousness—or on the achievement of a rigidly “scientific” revolution in the understanding of consciousness—not only to the specific and categorical denial, however, that there is a third, non-dualistic dimension of consciousness; but also, until recently, involving the relentless censorship and exclusion of any non-dualistic perspective on consciousness as even being at all relevant to the conversation."


Uhhh,yeah. It *always* comes back to this:

(39) Jesus said, "The pharisees and the scribes have taken the keys of knowledge (gnosis) and hidden them. They themselves have not entered, nor have they allowed to enter those who wish to. You, however, be as wise as serpents and as innocent as doves."

Why have the (mostly) self-appointed pharisees and scribes not "entered" themselves? Why do they not allow others to enter into knowledge?

Read "The Human Evasion" and find out one possible reason.

You need to be wise as a serpent, yet gentle like a dove...unlike all the others locking up the "knowledge".
Those people are the "sane" that Celia Green talks about. Mainstream. So called authority. Literally "sick" people attempting to screw humanity out of the prize due to their own fear.

Fear of the real ultimate truth.
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There's a lot of assumptive writing and belief in this thread. At what point have you exactly proven all this? Taking the word of others and not proving things for yourself is foolish.
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the methods have been described extensively, in every culture throughout the times...

don't judge
silence your inner dialogue
don't give in to negativity
service others before serving yourself
clear out your psychological baggage
try to excel in all you try
et cetera...
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applause2

nice work OP!!! and everyone contributing. Nice to know there are others still spiritually alive in here.
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I love this topic. Thank you. It makes me want to go back and read the book, Women Who Run With the Wolves, by Clarissa Pinkola Estes. In particular, her telling and understanding of the fairy tales, Bluebeard, and The Red Shoes, would probably fit well into this conversation.
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"She's skewering mainstream thought and pointing a finger at the naked emperor. That takes guts."


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another good one.. thanks for this link AC, very good read!

"The Toltecs say that the various dreams are living beings that use their energy to hold humans under their spell. "

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No. Stop @ everyone. Nobody here knows anything about all this. Read what I explain for everyone here. The predator is the symbolism for reptilian presence that designed a split self disorder so humans get the feeling their mind is their mind while they live a certain lifestyle or believe-system and thats the trick of the etherical split self disorder astral simulation of the real self a human has. This means that at a certain threshold cut-off point the human mind starts to fuse with a simulation of a mind thats not his mind but part of technology from a synthetic split self disorder of another density and because it gets regulated at other densities the real mind of the human will get lost on this density because its under control of others.

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