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for those of us who no longer have the parasite mind to read Michael's posts hurts my head.

intellect is pumped for a reason just like crosswords and education blah blah blah

if you notice EGO then the man or woman is infected by the parasite

the only way you can know you're not controlled by the parasite is when you no longer feel emotions (which are different than feelings) like anger, sadness, fear but also when your head is empty of thoughts. Also you will know you are no longer controlled if you no longer identify with your given name or who you think you are. the EGOic character role, the thoughts in your head, the emotions are the parasite. who you are beyond form and mind is a calm, neutral, infinite wisdom state.

here is my post once again:

Thread: everything about this world is bullshit LIES

i stopped reading Michael's posts already awhile back. if it hurts you head to read the stuff there is a good reason.

these things are devious fuckers

they can't control me so they target my finances, housing, rideshares..i can't get jobs because of it...i'm alone in this world with my companion. i'm not afraid of this "parasite" either. it's too stupid and i've evolved beyond its capabilities. it is powerless and weak.
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If i'm to put the whole story here...it's going to take me a far while to lay out the whole concept.
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Of what use is a "concept"?

There are eleventy gazillion concepts about consciousness.

How is one any different than another?

They all have approximately the same 'value'.

They are all thought.

The function of thought is to preserve the temporal continuity of the "self", which is a dualistic consciousness.

We do not need another concept about consciousness.

What we need is an ability to observe the dualistic consciousness and the precise mechanisms which lead to conflict and violence.

Holding to another concept of consciousness will not, in any way, resolve the problems originating in duality.

This is what Krishnamurti was talking about.

Michael
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Your wasting your time trying to look into every angle of meaning...be it the word concept or it's connotation.

I said words won't do it justice, but the original outlay of creation was built on geometric values.

You won't find your answers in buddist or hindu cultures.
They didn't know the whole vision or platform of creation.

That I can say for certain.


You can reference anyone you wish...you won't find the answers you seek.

To resolve the problems that you state...the answer lies in the conscious grid...this grid is the blueprint of the geometries that bring creation into existence.

Every other concept in it's field is just play time...what ever that entails.
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don't bother engaging him because he dissects words to keep you confused in THEIR mind or the parasite mind. it keeps you going around in circles

stick to simple. they don't like simple. they like to complicate things.
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the reason this world is slowly devolving and we have the fascist crap is because of these parasites.

not only do they control the collective population but also those people consider "elite". they are as much controlled as we are controlled UNTIL you step out of EGOic character role

this parasite has been in my life since i was a young child.

my family-of-origin father had no choice but to abuse me

all that is wrong with this world = parasite
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I see everyone is trying to explain the inner meaning of self and our conscious state.
Words won't get close to understanding the inner meaning...there to limited.

Your all missing the obvious.

The geometries and geometric relationship we all have in creation...this includes the grid lines ...consciousness...planets...stars and every other known tangible and non tangible.

The answer lies there...if you look else were...you'll miss the point of creation and it's relationship with us all.

The great pyramid is a reflection of our own self...our very being.

Search that angle and you will find your answer.

If i'm to put the whole story here...it's going to take me a far while to lay out the whole concept.



All cultures have built the key into there sacred places about the geometries of life.
They weren't put there for nothing...they new the relationship of creation.

There lies your answer.

have read your threads and gained so much..
yes please can you start and write. I have always looked out for your writings and bought books you recommended.
This recent find was interesting:

[link to wespenre.com]


 Quoting: mysterynomore

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There is one thing that you and others should take into account.
Don't take everything on face value...what you read has trigger points...be it a small reference in a sentence that sparks an interest.
This includes what I put down and others.

What you and others should aways do is use your own intuition...that doesn't lie...

That is the ultimate guide to what you seek.

Thanks for the link...i'll have a look at it.
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for those of us who no longer have the parasite mind to read Michael's posts hurts my head.
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What I write is not pleasurable.

Because it is not pleasurable, the consciousness of the "self" characterizes it as painful.

Simple enough for you?

That is one of the reasons why it is called a dualistic consciousness.

Michael
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If i'm to put the whole story here...it's going to take me a far while to lay out the whole concept.
 Quoting: mysterynomore


Of what use is a "concept"?

There are eleventy gazillion concepts about consciousness.

How is one any different than another?

They all have approximately the same 'value'.

They are all thought.

The function of thought is to preserve the temporal continuity of the "self", which is a dualistic consciousness.

We do not need another concept about consciousness.

What we need is an ability to observe the dualistic consciousness and the precise mechanisms which lead to conflict and violence.

Holding to another concept of consciousness will not, in any way, resolve the problems originating in duality.

This is what Krishnamurti was talking about.

Michael
 Quoting: 4Q529



Your wasting your time trying to look into every angle of meaning...be it the word concept or it's connotation.

I said words won't do it justice, but the original outlay of creation was built on geometric values.

You won't find your answers in buddist or hindu cultures.
They didn't know the whole vision or platform of creation.

That I can say for certain.


You can reference anyone you wish...you won't find the answers you seek.

To resolve the problems that you state...the answer lies in the conscious grid...this grid is the blueprint of the geometries that bring creation into existence.

Every other concept in it's field is just play time...what ever that entails.
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If i'm to put the whole story here...it's going to take me a far while to lay out the whole concept.
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Of what use is a "concept"?

There are eleventy gazillion concepts about consciousness.

How is one any different than another?

They all have approximately the same 'value'.

They are all thought.

The function of thought is to preserve the temporal continuity of the "self", which is a dualistic consciousness.

We do not need another concept about consciousness.

What we need is an ability to observe the dualistic consciousness and the precise mechanisms which lead to conflict and violence.

Holding to another concept of consciousness will not, in any way, resolve the problems originating in duality.

This is what Krishnamurti was talking about.

Michael
 Quoting: 4Q529



Your wasting your time trying to look into every angle of meaning...be it the word concept or it's connotation.

I said words won't do it justice, but the original outlay of creation was built on geometric values.

You won't find your answers in buddist or hindu cultures.
They didn't know the whole vision or platform of creation.

That I can say for certain.


You can reference anyone you wish...you won't find the answers you seek.

To resolve the problems that you state...the answer lies in the conscious grid...this grid is the blueprint of the geometries that bring creation into existence.

Every other concept in it's field is just play time...what ever that entails.
 Quoting: mysterynomore
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There can be no geometrization of space without, first, the 'movement' of self-reflection to create the 'spatiality' of the consciousness of the "self", which is then projected upon sensations and perceptions of the space-time reality. In other words, there must be a consciousness or an observer of some kind that observes that geometrization.

Of course, all of that satisfies the images of the "self", which is why most people are satisfied with that and stop looking, having found the answer that is pleasurable to them.

Michael
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Michael,
What are you saying?

Again speak to a child?

Have you understood anything?

I have never seen a train so what is a train? Is it man made or nature made it?
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you will find no truth in this world. it's all bullshit

the best you have is to reconnect to your infinite wisdom state which is a calm, neutral feeling...almost feels like a flame below the rib cage and above the belly button. your infinite wisdom state is a head empty of thoughts. you have access to words via the "river"

the parasite controls the EGOic character role. it controls the thoughts in your head which is the parasite mind. it controls the emotions which are not your natural state. your natural state is a feeling state...a calm, neutral state

use your gut or intuition and if something doesn't smell right there is good reason to trust that feeling

intellect is the parasite mind.

stick to simple. always stick to simple
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Yes originally I didn't want to debate what consciousness is because we are going beyond our means. The only real point I wanted to get across about consciousness is that everything is connected. How consciousness became conscious is a mystery and nobody knows.

Somebody mentioned Dolores Cannon I like her she is a sweet old lady. One thing I disagree with her about is that people willingly chose to reincarnate here on Earth. I know she has gotten much of her information from talking to people under hypnosis, but what she is doing is talking to the subconscious mind which is the metaphorical house of the predator.

My personal belief is that when you die much of your energy is harvested and you are forced into a new body like a fish in a net is forced into a boat.

Here is a quote from the emerald tablet of Thoth
List ye, O man,
to the depth of my wisdom.
Speak I of knowledge hidden from man.
Far have I been
on my journey through SPACE-TIME,
even to the end of space of this cycle.
Aye, glimpsed the HOUNDS of the Barrier,
lying in wait for he who would pass them.
In that space where time exists not,
faintly I sensed the guardians of cycles.
Move they only through angles.
Free are they not of the curved dimensions.


Strange and terrible
are the HOUNDS of the Barrier.
Follow they consciousness to the limits of space.
Think not to escape by entering your body,
for follow they fast the Soul through angles.
Only the circle will give ye protection,
save from the claws
of the DWELLERS IN ANGLES.


Once, in a time past,
I approached the great Barrier,
and saw on the shores where time exists not,
the formless forms
of the HOUNDS of the barrier.
Aye, hiding in the midst beyond time I found them;
and THEY, scenting me afar off,
raised themselves and gave the great bell cry
that could be heard from cycle to cycle
and moved through space toward my soul.


Fled I then fast before them,
back from time's unthinkable end.
But ever after me pursued they,
moving in strange angles not known to man.
Aye, on the gray shores of TIME-SPACE'S end
found I the HOUNDS of the Barrier,
ravening for the Soul
who attempts the beyond.


Fled I through circles back to my body.
Fled, and fast after me they followed.
Aye, after me the devourers followed,
seeking through angles to devour my Soul.


Aye, know ye man,
that the Soul who dares the Barrier
may be held in bondage
by the HOUNDS from beyond time,
held till this cycle is completed
and left behind
when the consciousness leaves.


Entered I my body.
Created the circles that know not angles,
created the form
that from my form was formed.
Made my body into a circle
and lost the pursuers in the circles of time.
But, even yet, when free from my body,
cautious ever must I be
not to move through angles,
else my soul may never be free.


Know ye, the HOUNDS of the Barrier
move only through angles
and never through curves of space.
Only by moving through curves
can ye escape them,
for in angles they will pursue thee.
O man, heed ye my warning;
Seek not to break open
the gate to beyond.
Few there are
who have succeeded in passing the Barrier
to the greater LIGHT that shines beyond.
For know ye, ever the dwellers,
seek such Souls to hold in their thrall.


Listen, O man, and heed ye my warning;
seek ye to move not in angles but curves,
And if while free from thy body,
though hearest the sound like the bay of a hound
ringing clear and bell-like through thy being,
flee back to thy body through circles,
penetrate not the midst mist before.


When thou hath entered the form thou hast dwelt in,
use thou the cross and the circle combined.
Open thy mouth and use thou thy Voice.
Utter the WORD and thou shalt be free.
Only the one who of LIGHT has the fullest
can hope to pass by the guards of the way.
And then must he move
through strange curves and angles
that are formed in direction not know to man.


List ye, O man, and heed ye my warning:
attempt not to pass the guards on the way.
Rather should ye seek to gain of thine own Light
and make thyself ready to pass on the way.


LIGHT is thine ultimate end, O my brother.
Seek and find ever the Light on the way.
 Quoting: tablet VIII


Since I am quoting the tablets here is another quote about the predator.

Far in the past before Atlantis existed,
men there were who delved into darkness,
using dark magic, calling up beings
from the great deep below us.
Forth came they into this cycle.
Formless were they of another vibration,
existing unseen by the children of earth-men.
Only through blood could they have formed being.
Only through man could they live in the world.


In ages past were they conquered by Masters,
driven below to the place whence they came.
But some there were who remained,
hidden in spaces and planes unknown to man.
Lived they in Atlantis as shadows,
but at times they appeared among men.
Aye, when the blood was offered,
for they came they to dwell among men.


In the form of man they amongst us,
but only to sight were they as are men.
Serpent-headed when the glamour was lifted
but appearing to man as men among men.
Crept they into the Councils,
taking forms that were like unto men.
Slaying by their arts
the chiefs of the kingdoms,
taking their form and ruling o'er man.
Only by magic could they be discovered.
Only by sound could their faces be seen.
Sought they from the Kingdom of shadows
to destroy man and rule in his place.

But, know ye, the Masters were mighty in magic,
able to lift the Veil from the face of the serpent,
able to send him back to his place.
Came they to man and taught him the secret,
the WORD that only a man can pronounce.
Swift then they lifted the Veil from the serpent
and cast him forth from the place among men.

Yet, beware, the serpent still liveth
in a place that is open at times to the world.
Unseen they walk among thee
in places where the rites have been said.
Again as time passes onward
shall they take the semblance of men.
 Quoting: Emerald Tablet/key of mystery
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Michael,
What are you saying?

Again speak to a child?

Have you understood anything?

I have never seen a train so what is a train? Is it man made or nature made it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36313572


Forget about the train; it is an analogy I have used to demonstrate that observations depend upon frame of reference, even when it comes to consciousness.

In any case, my writings are not exactly for children.

You might want to read Towards A New Paradigm of Consciousness to get a basic understanding of my approach:

[link to science-of-consciousness.blogspot.com]

Michael
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Yes originally I didn't want to debate what consciousness is because we are going beyond our means. The only real point I wanted to get across about consciousness is that everything is connected. How consciousness became conscious is a mystery and nobody knows.

Somebody mentioned Dolores Cannon I like her she is a sweet old lady. One thing I disagree with her about is that people willingly chose to reincarnate here on Earth. I know she has gotten much of her information from talking to people under hypnosis, but what she is doing is talking to the subconscious mind which is the metaphorical house of the predator.

My personal belief is that when you die much of your energy is harvested and you are forced into a new body like a fish in a net is forced into a boat.

Here is a quote from the emerald tablet of Thoth
List ye, O man,
to the depth of my wisdom.
Speak I of knowledge hidden from man.
Far have I been
on my journey through SPACE-TIME,
even to the end of space of this cycle.
Aye, glimpsed the HOUNDS of the Barrier,
lying in wait for he who would pass them.
In that space where time exists not,
faintly I sensed the guardians of cycles.
Move they only through angles.
Free are they not of the curved dimensions.


Strange and terrible
are the HOUNDS of the Barrier.
Follow they consciousness to the limits of space.
Think not to escape by entering your body,
for follow they fast the Soul through angles.
Only the circle will give ye protection,
save from the claws
of the DWELLERS IN ANGLES.


Once, in a time past,
I approached the great Barrier,
and saw on the shores where time exists not,
the formless forms
of the HOUNDS of the barrier.
Aye, hiding in the midst beyond time I found them;
and THEY, scenting me afar off,
raised themselves and gave the great bell cry
that could be heard from cycle to cycle
and moved through space toward my soul.


Fled I then fast before them,
back from time's unthinkable end.
But ever after me pursued they,
moving in strange angles not known to man.
Aye, on the gray shores of TIME-SPACE'S end
found I the HOUNDS of the Barrier,
ravening for the Soul
who attempts the beyond.


Fled I through circles back to my body.
Fled, and fast after me they followed.
Aye, after me the devourers followed,
seeking through angles to devour my Soul.


Aye, know ye man,
that the Soul who dares the Barrier
may be held in bondage
by the HOUNDS from beyond time,
held till this cycle is completed
and left behind
when the consciousness leaves.


Entered I my body.
Created the circles that know not angles,
created the form
that from my form was formed.
Made my body into a circle
and lost the pursuers in the circles of time.
But, even yet, when free from my body,
cautious ever must I be
not to move through angles,
else my soul may never be free.


Know ye, the HOUNDS of the Barrier
move only through angles
and never through curves of space.
Only by moving through curves
can ye escape them,
for in angles they will pursue thee.
O man, heed ye my warning;
Seek not to break open
the gate to beyond.
Few there are
who have succeeded in passing the Barrier
to the greater LIGHT that shines beyond.
For know ye, ever the dwellers,
seek such Souls to hold in their thrall.


Listen, O man, and heed ye my warning;
seek ye to move not in angles but curves,
And if while free from thy body,
though hearest the sound like the bay of a hound
ringing clear and bell-like through thy being,
flee back to thy body through circles,
penetrate not the midst mist before.


When thou hath entered the form thou hast dwelt in,
use thou the cross and the circle combined.
Open thy mouth and use thou thy Voice.
Utter the WORD and thou shalt be free.
Only the one who of LIGHT has the fullest
can hope to pass by the guards of the way.
And then must he move
through strange curves and angles
that are formed in direction not know to man.


List ye, O man, and heed ye my warning:
attempt not to pass the guards on the way.
Rather should ye seek to gain of thine own Light
and make thyself ready to pass on the way.


LIGHT is thine ultimate end, O my brother.
Seek and find ever the Light on the way.
 Quoting: tablet VIII


Since I am quoting the tablets here is another quote about the predator.

Far in the past before Atlantis existed,
men there were who delved into darkness,
using dark magic, calling up beings
from the great deep below us.
Forth came they into this cycle.
Formless were they of another vibration,
existing unseen by the children of earth-men.
Only through blood could they have formed being.
Only through man could they live in the world.


In ages past were they conquered by Masters,
driven below to the place whence they came.
But some there were who remained,
hidden in spaces and planes unknown to man.
Lived they in Atlantis as shadows,
but at times they appeared among men.
Aye, when the blood was offered,
for they came they to dwell among men.


In the form of man they amongst us,
but only to sight were they as are men.
Serpent-headed when the glamour was lifted
but appearing to man as men among men.
Crept they into the Councils,
taking forms that were like unto men.
Slaying by their arts
the chiefs of the kingdoms,
taking their form and ruling o'er man.
Only by magic could they be discovered.
Only by sound could their faces be seen.
Sought they from the Kingdom of shadows
to destroy man and rule in his place.

But, know ye, the Masters were mighty in magic,
able to lift the Veil from the face of the serpent,
able to send him back to his place.
Came they to man and taught him the secret,
the WORD that only a man can pronounce.
Swift then they lifted the Veil from the serpent
and cast him forth from the place among men.

Yet, beware, the serpent still liveth
in a place that is open at times to the world.
Unseen they walk among thee
in places where the rites have been said.
Again as time passes onward
shall they take the semblance of men.
 Quoting: Emerald Tablet/key of mystery

 Quoting: Focused_Intent


Good anology op.
There are some good truth's hidden within these writings.

The last part of the writings in reference...some have refered to this as reptilians. Not correct.


The world in those days was based on magic...not magic like we thing in today's world but magic associated with the elements of creation.

Many forms were created from greed and power.
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Very very interesting, this is the kind of threads I come here for.

5 stars.
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We share the same thought:) 5 stars,

Thank you Focused Intent.
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Of what use is a "concept"?

There are eleventy gazillion concepts about consciousness.

How is one any different than another?

They all have approximately the same 'value'.

They are all thought.

The function of thought is to preserve the temporal continuity of the "self", which is a dualistic consciousness.

We do not need another concept about consciousness.

What we need is an ability to observe the dualistic consciousness and the precise mechanisms which lead to conflict and violence.

Holding to another concept of consciousness will not, in any way, resolve the problems originating in duality.

This is what Krishnamurti was talking about.

Michael
 Quoting: 4Q529



Your wasting your time trying to look into every angle of meaning...be it the word concept or it's connotation.

I said words won't do it justice, but the original outlay of creation was built on geometric values.

You won't find your answers in buddist or hindu cultures.
They didn't know the whole vision or platform of creation.

That I can say for certain.


You can reference anyone you wish...you won't find the answers you seek.

To resolve the problems that you state...the answer lies in the conscious grid...this grid is the blueprint of the geometries that bring creation into existence.

Every other concept in it's field is just play time...what ever that entails.
 Quoting: mysterynomore
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1370992


There can be no geometrization of space without, first, the 'movement' of self-reflection to create the 'spatiality' of the consciousness of the "self", which is then projected upon sensations and perceptions of the space-time reality. In other words, there must be a consciousness or an observer of some kind that observes that geometrization.

Of course, all of that satisfies the images of the "self", which is why most people are satisfied with that and stop looking, having found the answer that is pleasurable to them.

Michael
 Quoting: 4Q529


In Geometric there is no self, it is the creation of all. Unconditional love. Sacred Geometric, also unites logic with intuition, working together.

Why would people want to stop, when they know they can go further.
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In Geometric there is no self, it is the creation of all. Unconditional love. Sacred Geometric, also unites logic with intuition, working together.
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What is the "observer" of all of this Geometric if not the "self"?

The existence of an observation typically implies the existence of an observer.

Michael
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In Geometric there is no self, it is the creation of all. Unconditional love. Sacred Geometric, also unites logic with intuition, working together.
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What is the "observer" of all of this Geometric if not the "self"?

The existence of an observation typically implies the existence of an observer.

Michael
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"You say that we are the observer" Does the consciousness belong to you, Do you think your body just belongs to you?

We are the energy of love, does love belong to us?

There is no observer, we are the ones that are being observed.
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as so often in this forum, interesting topics draw people with different frames of reference, different levels of understanding.

and what can always be easily observed is a much too small effort put to reach a convergence of consciousness in communication. makes one wonder why people bother.

"the canon "By thy god" must be applied in life, practically on every step. During each conversation, when there is no unity of consciousnesses, our first duty is not to infuriate our companion by contradiction and censure of his convictions, but, starting with his best possibilities and considering the level of his consciousness, we should gradually and patiently broaden his horizon. Thus, speaking with a Moslem, you will not begin by praising Lord Buddha or demeaning Mohammed, but you will interchange with him all that is beautiful in his religion, and when opportunity arises, you will explain more deeply and broadly the meaning of some sayings of Mohammed that have entered the treasury of world wisdom. Thus you will also do in any other situations in life. You will not speak with an avid chauvinist against his country, but you will discover the best expressions and qualities of his nation, and you will point out to him new ways for developing its particular qualifications. Your breadth of understanding of national beliefs will smooth over the factor of chauvinism and, unexpectedly for him, his limited consciousness will begin to respond to the note of containment. And so, one should learn to carry on timely conversations without animosity but evaluating your companion with friendliness. Precisely, carry them on with PATIENCE and respect for your adversary, not permitting irritation, derision, and other unworthy means. And in each conversation one should know how to sacrifice one's self, one's knowledge, and not to boast of one's enlightenment. Remember that it is said in the Teaching that only a pompous ignorance loves to spread on window sills the dry, small twigs of its knowledge, but he who truly knows does not fear to snip off a piece of his knowledge when it can oppress and humiliate his companion. In this manner, the canon "By thy God" is merely a manifestation of selflessness, without which nothing can be achieved"
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as so often in this forum, interesting topics draw people with different frames of reference, different levels of understanding.

and what can always be easily observed is a much too small effort put to reach a convergence of consciousness in communication. makes one wonder why people bother.

"the canon "By thy god" must be applied in life, practically on every step. During each conversation, when there is no unity of consciousnesses, our first duty is not to infuriate our companion by contradiction and censure of his convictions, but, starting with his best possibilities and considering the level of his consciousness, we should gradually and patiently broaden his horizon. Thus, speaking with a Moslem, you will not begin by praising Lord Buddha or demeaning Mohammed, but you will interchange with him all that is beautiful in his religion, and when opportunity arises, you will explain more deeply and broadly the meaning of some sayings of Mohammed that have entered the treasury of world wisdom. Thus you will also do in any other situations in life. You will not speak with an avid chauvinist against his country, but you will discover the best expressions and qualities of his nation, and you will point out to him new ways for developing its particular qualifications. Your breadth of understanding of national beliefs will smooth over the factor of chauvinism and, unexpectedly for him, his limited consciousness will begin to respond to the note of containment. And so, one should learn to carry on timely conversations without animosity but evaluating your companion with friendliness. Precisely, carry them on with PATIENCE and respect for your adversary, not permitting irritation, derision, and other unworthy means. And in each conversation one should know how to sacrifice one's self, one's knowledge, and not to boast of one's enlightenment. Remember that it is said in the Teaching that only a pompous ignorance loves to spread on window sills the dry, small twigs of its knowledge, but he who truly knows does not fear to snip off a piece of his knowledge when it can oppress and humiliate his companion. In this manner, the canon "By thy God" is merely a manifestation of selflessness, without which nothing can be achieved"
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Nicely said, but.....

You hurt my feelings, your post has nothing to do with me.


A seed bearer has no control on how another person reacts to the seed that was planted, even though bearer wished no harm.
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Nicely said, but.....

You hurt my feelings, your post has nothing to do with me.


A seed bearer has no control on how another person reacts to the seed that was planted, even though bearer wished no harm.
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it was not aimed at you brother :)
it was a general point
and as a seed bearer you should not be so easily hurt :)

cheers
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can Michael critique this thread?

Thread: Saturn ALWAYS eats its children. Feeds in judgment.
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"To me the question doesn't make sense. It is like asking prisoners what the prison would be like if there were no guards. There would be no prison. People would live in harmony with nature."


nature as in physical wildlife?

if the predator hijacks the mind then what would the mind do without being hijacked?


it is almost as if none of this physical reality could not exist without the predator, maybe the predator is an ingredient which without it there would be nothing?


it might not be so "evil", it might be required for something to become from nothing.


in order to determine something to be good or bad a judgement is required.


just thinking aloud..
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Nicely said, but.....

You hurt my feelings, your post has nothing to do with me.


A seed bearer has no control on how another person reacts to the seed that was planted, even though bearer wished no harm.
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it was not aimed at you brother :)
it was a general point
and as a seed bearer you should not be so easily hurt :)

cheers
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I was just trying to make a point on how someone can react, even if we attend to hurt them or not.

Since I have received a little blue flame, I tend to not let things get to me.

Your post was excellent.

Cheers
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saturn has a nice connection with the topic of this thread. as a matter of fact there is a funny experience regarding this:

i'll tell a chance encounter from last summer at a festival.

there was a guy who was discussing with my friends, he had two pentagrams tattooed on the front of his shoulders one with 33 inside one with 22, and a big seven on the arm, and sun glasses

his voice inflexion was strange, not in a foreign speaker accent kind a way.

so i asked him "where are you from"

he replied " i am from Saturn"

in that moment my subtle awareness got activated instantly

i focused in the christ energy, i touched the pentagram with 22 on his left shoulder saying

"i am from here. from venus"

he replied:

"oh, so we are being sincere. then, to be honest i am not exactly from saturn. i am from a certain constelation. and i think you know which one"
and he continued showing his teeth "but maybe you want to be certain" and he put off his sun glasses fixating my gaze.

after we gave our little check i said to him:

"after all there is only one god"

he replied: " i do not agree with this"

but he quickly added:

"it is true. on this planet there is only one god. in this solar system there is also only one god. but in the entire universe there also other gods"

so yes saturn is a portal of intergalactic travel and linear time trap device.

it is used by those spirits of that certain constellation, who bow to another god (a.k.a satan) than the true god of this system to enter our plane.

they know their time is quickly running out and they are in a rush to take as many souls as they can through their voyage back home

the christ spirit has already arrived in the astral plane and he is cleansing it from the dark energies that almost reached the point totally engulfing light, prior to his coming
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"To me the question doesn't make sense. It is like asking prisoners what the prison would be like if there were no guards. There would be no prison. People would live in harmony with nature."


nature as in physical wildlife?

if the predator hijacks the mind then what would the mind do without being hijacked?


it is almost as if none of this physical reality could not exist without the predator, maybe the predator is an ingredient which without it there would be nothing?


it might not be so "evil", it might be required for something to become from nothing.


in order to determine something to be good or bad a judgement is required.


just thinking aloud..
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To be one with Mother is to be one with Nature, and all the beautiful gifts she offers, healing, increased intuition, auras etc. Though we will still be grounded, as the Yin Yan exist on planet Earth

To be one with Father, one must learn the art of love, thy neighbor and enemies to be truly free. When we learn to love and forgive our lower spirit, we give him light. When we do that, he awakens little by little, and starts to move towards the light. The light is that of our root chakra, as he enters it he & you will cry and repent together, to the Father.

To save your lower being one must need an anchor to keep you grounded, or else we go to the psyche ward. God have given each one of us a Soul Mate, or a Twin Flame. A Soul Mate is the opposite of you in every way, but we you unite the hands both of you become balanced. One goes high, and one stays below holding the rope. It kinda of sucks for the one to stay on the ground, not so. Since the two energies are connected, the one on the ground picks up everything as the one above.

So yes! we do need some negativity to exist, on Earth, but the negative can be harnessed.

Once free, Heaven on Earth, with love and God being your ultimate guide, miracles are in the works.

Love is the answer.

That's what my take is.
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In Geometric there is no self, it is the creation of all. Unconditional love. Sacred Geometric, also unites logic with intuition, working together.
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What is the "observer" of all of this Geometric if not the "self"?

The existence of an observation typically implies the existence of an observer.

Michael
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"You say that we are the observer" Does the consciousness belong to you, Do you think your body just belongs to you?

We are the energy of love, does love belong to us?

There is no observer, we are the ones that are being observed.
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This is frustrating.

People putting into my mouth words that, to my memory, I have never said.

Point out to me where I wrote that "we are the observer".

The consciousness of my "self" and my 'thinker' belong to me; yes. That is what a personal identity is. My experiences and thoughts are different than yours. This is straightforward.

But the non-dualistic consciousness is a 2-dimensional 'flat' space consciousness prior to even the differentiation into "selves". That means that there is no "we" in the "observing consciousness". Krishnamurti expresses that in a number of different instances with regards to the dissolution of the individual identity in the process of observation. You might want to investigate how he explains that.

Now your thought is that there is no observer.

Not only is that your thought but not my thought.

I have an experience of what that "observing consciousness" is.

This prolly cannot be explained effectively and in detail in writing because too many movements of the interaction of selves are involved.

Michael
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Not really into visuals and images.

Typically, they are the manifestation of thoughts that are glaringly misinterpreted to the advantage of the dualistic consciousness.

Michael
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Yes originally I didn't want to debate what consciousness is because we are going beyond our means. The only real point I wanted to get across about consciousness is that everything is connected. How consciousness became conscious is a mystery and nobody knows.
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Sorry, but I can't let this pass.

If you say that it is "beyond our means" and a "mystery" 'how consciousness became conscious', what do you say about the observation that consciousness began with the 'movement' of self-reflection?

To me, this is not a mystery at all.

This is not something that can be apprehended by thought, but it is something that can be observed after the fact as having occurred.

And how anyone can say "nobody knows", I simply don't understand.

Would someone not have to ask every single person now alive on earth the question before saying that nobody knows?

And, even if you did that, are you also saying that no one will ever know?

Or is this something that will eventually be known, just not now?

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His name is Morias
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nature as in physical wildlife?

if the predator hijacks the mind then what would the mind do without being hijacked?


it is almost as if none of this physical reality could not exist without the predator, maybe the predator is an ingredient which without it there would be nothing?


it might not be so "evil", it might be required for something to become from nothing.


in order to determine something to be good or bad a judgement is required.


just thinking aloud..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29203778




No not nature as in wild life. I mean our true nature of love and compassion. People of the past used to speak telepathically and perform feats that have become myths and legends of today. If the mind was not hijacked you would have no reason to create pain and suffering.

The predator does not create this physical reality, we do. It simply manipulates our creation to its own end. Or to say it another way the predator can't create anything so it has to manipulate us into creating what it wants. That is why you don't see the predator walking around. It is not of this physical world or this dimension.

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