thanks OP! Im not trying to kill the thread.. promise.

but how is dream activity related to the predator? I have read exactly what you suggest about dreaming before.

I asked the same question with some example in my long post, a few posts back that should give you more of an idea what Im getting at. that post almost killed the thread it seems. sorry, not my intent.

basically what I am trying to get at is this: if the predator influences the mind while awake, what is to stop it from doing so in dreams?

why is being lucid or OBE astral any different? seems to me since it is all in the mind that it would be no different.

I will see If I can find where I read that the budda and the Daoist wrote that if the mind is clear then the dreams will cease. I cant remember where it was but it does make sense.