Predator of Consciousness

This is frustrating.

People putting into my mouth words that, to my memory, I have never said.

Point out to me where I wrote that "we are the observer".

The consciousness of my "self" and my 'thinker' belong to me; yes. That is what a personal identity is. My experiences and thoughts are different than yours. This is straightforward.

But the non-dualistic consciousness is a 2-dimensional 'flat' space consciousness prior to even the differentiation into "selves". That means that there is no "we" in the "observing consciousness". Krishnamurti expresses that in a number of different instances with regards to the dissolution of the individual identity in the process of observation. You might want to investigate how he explains that.

Now your thought is that there is no observer.

Not only is that your thought but not my thought.

I have an experience of what that "observing consciousness" is.

This prolly cannot be explained effectively and in detail in writing because too many movements of the interaction of selves are involved.

Michael

Sorry, but I can't let this pass.

If you say that it is "beyond our means" and a "mystery" 'how consciousness became conscious', what do you say about the observation that consciousness began with the 'movement' of self-reflection?

To me, this is not a mystery at all.

This is not something that can be apprehended by thought, but it is something that can be observed after the fact as having occurred.

And how anyone can say "nobody knows", I simply don't understand.

Would someone not have to ask every single person now alive on earth the question before saying that nobody knows?

And, even if you did that, are you also saying that no one will ever know?

Or is this something that will eventually be known, just not now?

Michael

...there is no I, or self, never was never will be.

Like I say we are the one that is getting observed...

We are zombies, without the spirits within.

When someone writes words that are, almost immediately, eaten by the words that follow, I become suspicious.

You say that "there is no I or self".

But, in the very next sentence, you say that "we" are the 'one that is getting observed.'

What is the meaning of the word "we" in that sentence if, as previously stated, there is "no I or self"?

If there is a "we", that "we" must eat the "no I or self" mentioned previously.

The result is gibberish.

Michael

You are gibberish, if you can't comprehend as to what I said. lol

Social predators who charm, manipulate, and ruthlessly plow their way through life, leaving a broad trail of broken hearts, shattered expectations, and empty wallets. Completely lacking in conscience and empathy, they selfishly take what they want and do as they please, violating social norms and expectations without the slightest sense of guilt or remorse.

Well, as I recall, you said that "there is no I or self".

So what do you mean by the phrase "what I said"?

If there is no "I", what can be said by the "I" that is not?

Can the "I" that is not, say anything at all?

Just askin'.

Michael

What kind of gibberish response is that?

There is no "I" or "self" in your being, as I said earlier there is more than one spirit in you.

How can you claim something is yours when it doesn't even belong to you. Nothing belongs to you, until you earn it, even then it can be taken away from you.

Tell me about the term of "self" that you use all the time.

Gibberish?

I am merely repeating what you have said.

Don't know what you mean by the words "being" or "spirit".

And don't have more than one "spirit" in me, regardless of what you might think.

To me, they are merely thoughts without any referent.

Your next paragraph makes no sense to me whatsoever. It sounds like something that would be said by those in power to justify a police state; something to 'justify' taking everything away from a person.

With regards to the "self", it is a 'spatiality' of consciousness originating in self-reflection; which means that my "self" is separated from your "self"; mine being over here and yours being over there.

But there is a much larger issue here: violence against language is the prelude to violence against people. I have seen that over and over; religious gibberish resulting in genocide because no one has the courage to stop and question the religious 'authorities' about what that gibberish is supposed to mean. Politicians whose mouths drip venom with everything they say; torturing language until it means nothing whatsoever. The long-term implications are the total annihilation of society.

Michael

the EGO mind is a liar, a deceiver of men, and can be dealt with , meditation slowly disolves its many tenticles, which latchs on like a wild beast. enlightenment is seeing the world minus the EGO mind

Internal dialogue is a form of possession. Conversations and dialogue with people or things not present. Something not you is controlling you, that is the definition of possession. These forces, or rather thoughts of these forces become possessive and control you and their arrival causes you to lock into them and act with them. They take up your valuable energy that could be used to do anything else. But there is more to internal dialogue than just stealing energy in mental conversation. Looked at closely you will see that it is this dialogue that in fact makes your external reality.

There is a way to stop internal dialogue for certain periods of time, but it is not done to find some happy place, though very happy places can be visited when there. Done properly stopping dialogue will more likely freak you out than make you happy. It is done to examine the mind as the very maker of this illusion we call reality, and to show what happens to reality when the thoughts stop. The world will break down, and in turn your mind will break down with it. Internal dialogue’s job is to protect our “description of the world”. Because of what we say to ourself the world always appears the same way. All thoughts are designed to reinforce the fictional dream character, thus to stop the thoughts and you will start to unravel. This is not about finding peace, it is about finding out about the reality of the world. Objects will change, shift, move and disappear. Wait until a tree turns into a medieval castle, or your walls or your wife disappears before you start talking about you know what reality as illusion means. When dialogue stops, the very nature of static reality stops top, thus the idea stopping the internal dialogue leads what is called “Stopping the world.” And this will not happen with your eyes closed.

Stopping internal dialogue comes by doing things that appear that will have no effect. Practices are sneaky because they don’t look like that is what they are for. We must use attention in non-ordinary ways, as attention and dialogue are linked. So any practice that diverts attention from the mind’s normal world will suspend internal dialogue if done long enough. In fact any activity that leads to total absorption (fishing, reading, bird watching, sports, whatever) is leading to this state of reduced mental activity. It is a refocusing of attention on the dream itself. We do awareness exercises to flood our tonal (the perceiving part), to overload it. Overloaded it shorts out, and thus is no longer able to maintain normal static reality. Things begin to break down. It is not the objects distorting of course, it is your mind distorting. You are experiencing a deeper fabric of the dream, be prepared, it’s wacky. Break down the idea of reality, and you can go looking for the ultimate reality behind it.

The best way I have found to do this is by walking. It does require a lot of space and time, so is often not suggested for modern city people. But I say if you can’t devote time to the quest for answers, then fuck it, you have already lost. To walk the right way is to bombard the tonal with so much information that it overloads and stops. And that is the point.

The first key is to have no final destination for your walk, you have to walk just to walk. You begin by doing something with your hands, different than normal, like curl your fingers or touch your thumb to your finger. Anything different will do. It is important not to be carrying anything in your hands, they have to be free. It can be done with someone else as long as no talking takes place. If you want to talk, you must stop and converse, then resume your silent walking.

As you walk, keep a constant rhythm, the actual speed is not important but it must be a different speed than you usually walk. Since most of us are mostly rushing around, most will walk very slowly. As you walk, keep your attention focused directly in front of you (but not at your feet). Look straight ahead. You can turn your head of course, but keep that gaze straight ahead of you. As you do this attempt to perceive a full 180 degrees, i.e. notice everything to the side as in front of you, but not focusing on anything in particular. See it all equally. Each thing we “see” in our environment requires some aspect of our mind to “create” it which is why we rarely focus on it. Notice mind is trying to say a word for every object that is being perceived, but see too many things, and mind can’t keep up its naming. Doing so will leave no energy left to pop off internal dialogue. All of mind’s energy will be focused on its creations. Just stay focused on the 180 degrees, and don’t associate with any thought as they come up. Watch your breath and pay attention to your body. Listen for sounds. It will likely take you many walks, but if you do it every day for a few months, one day-one walk- your mind will just shut off. Then just perceive what happens to reality around you. In my case the ground was flowing while the river was still. People just disappeared then re-appeared. Objects changed from one thing to another, some became transparent, and others droopy like a Salvador Dali painting. The belief the world was solid and real no longer stood a chance after that period!

Remember the goal is not to shut off your mind but to question the standard reality of you and world that you have always believed. As you begin to still the internal dialogue the ego/mind won’t like it. It will fight back to regain control, bringing situations that it knows causes us to break down. All you can do is commit to going on no matter what mind throws at you. It will give you it’s A game, your biggest fears, you just have to keep going through them. Eventually it will run out of fears, and all that will be left is the answer that you have been looking for.

If anybody asked me what the purpose of life is I would say the purpose of your life should be stopping your internal dialogue.

You know what I find to be bizarre is the way people are enslaved by the desire to entertain their mind. I'm not even talking about how people are slaves to their basic instincts and desires. Did you ever notice how people have to be doing something at all times? If they are not watching TV they are working or playing a game.

To me it is as if people’s greatest fear is being alone with themselves and their thoughts and this is because on a subconscious level everybody knows about the predator. Everybody knows that the way we are living isn't right.

You are gibberish, if you can't comprehend as to what I said. lol

saturn has a nice connection with the topic of this thread. as a matter of fact there is a funny experience regarding this:

i'll tell a chance encounter from last summer at a festival.

there was a guy who was discussing with my friends, he had two pentagrams tattooed on the front of his shoulders one with 33 inside one with 22, and a big seven on the arm, and sun glasses

his voice inflexion was strange, not in a foreign speaker accent kind a way.

so i asked him "where are you from"

he replied " i am from Saturn"

in that moment my subtle awareness got activated instantly

i focused in the christ energy, i touched the pentagram with 22 on his left shoulder saying

"i am from here. from venus"

he replied:

"oh, so we are being sincere. then, to be honest i am not exactly from saturn. i am from a certain constelation. and i think you know which one"
and he continued showing his teeth "but maybe you want to be certain" and he put off his sun glasses fixating my gaze.

after we gave our little check i said to him:

"after all there is only one god"

he replied: " i do not agree with this"

but he quickly added:

"it is true. on this planet there is only one god. in this solar system there is also only one god. but in the entire universe there also other gods"

so yes saturn is a portal of intergalactic travel and linear time trap device.

it is used by those spirits of that certain constellation, who bow to another god (a.k.a satan) than the true god of this system to enter our plane.

they know their time is quickly running out and they are in a rush to take as many souls as they can through their voyage back home

the christ spirit has already arrived in the astral plane and he is cleansing it from the dark energies that almost reached the point totally engulfing light, prior to his coming

It's too much hyper explaining and just wears you out.
That is not how awareness is reached. It is just the opposite through a simple discipline to begin managing discursive nonsense like this.

i think it applies only to those given to the path of the warrior :)

What is it to be a warrior? Besides being impeccable it is fighting for your freedom. Since we are all enslaved I feel that we should all come together and fight for our freedom as impeccable warriors. This is why I created this thread.

I believe that those that choose to live their life in bondage do so out of ignorance. Instead of obtaining spiritual freedom their goal becomes conformity.

please send a message that i will recognize. thanks

This a true story, based on experience. You and others will know that this is so.

The Prince of Darkness, Lucifer, the Light Bringer undertook eons ago the greatest sacrifice out of cosmic love. He, the most beautiful of angels, agreed to descend to the darkest corners of the Universe, to bring the Cosmic Light of Spirit to the densest of matter, thus helping to raise the vibration from inside.

His sacrifice consisted in the fact that he had to be separated from the Source, alone in his magnificence, surrounded by beings that had yet to know the Light of the Spirit. With time he forgot his true essence, he transformed from the most beautiful Dragon to a strange creature made out of flesh, but in doing so he learned to wield the mighty powers of darkness, the magnetism of the Black Hole which rests in the center of the earth, the Womb of Gaia where matter is continuously reforged to be fit as material for the sparks of spirit.

He forgot his true self so much, caught in the darkest of matter, that he almost lost his awareness, almost. And during his deep slumber, some parasites from another corner of the Multiverse saw the opportunity to profit from the unknowing children of Gaia.

And where the Prince of Darkness used greed and lust of the children of matter to lure them to understand life, because they didn't had the power to learn life by themselves; the parasites used the same greed and lust to spread death and to extract the life energy from their unknowingly hosts. They shaped lust and greed into a grand scheme of money, dark drugs, unnatural sex, death weapons and they enjoyed the show, watching the children of Gaia destroying themselves to death.

But one day, the Prince woke up to the Light Inside. And he saw destruction and death everywhere, in his beloved kingdom. And he felt all the suffering of Gaia, it was unbearable. First, he tried to spread his mighty wings and fly high above, but he could not do it, he could not do it alone. He desperately tried to get his smaller brothers and children to fly with him, so that together they could renew the life of Gaia, but they were still too weak.

Then he remembered that he is not only an Archangel of Light, but that he also became the Prince of Darkness and he tried to use the dark magnetism to lure his children away from the death trap they were heading.

Then he looked up to the sky, and he saw the Balance of the World so unbalanced, with the Light Pole barely hanging on. It was on the verge of breaking. So much darkness everywhere: fear, hate, loneliness; and so little love. All his court of fairies and elves tainted by the evil poison of the parasite.

And in that very moment of infinite pain and infinite love, he found again the Source in his very core. He was reborn, the master of time, the master of matter, Half Light and Half Dark with the Heart standing in the middle to keep the Balance of the World in perfect equilibrium.

And then he got back to work, fully reconnected with the Source, to clean up the mess made by the parasites, and to restore Heaven on Earth, so that every being could know True Life again, carefully nurtured by their Mother Gaia, the Eternal Goddess of Love, and with the Angels of Light and Darkness guiding them through the long voyage back Home.

'Do as you deem wise,' answers the Lord of the World. Bowing
in silent acknowledgement, the men turn to face the world
with open hand and open heart. Then, beckoning all to
follow, they, turn to show the way, to set the pace. Some of the people follow immediately, without a word: some hesitate, confused: some grumble in discontent: some openly, resist, and sit down to remain and starve."