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"An event unprecedented in human history is today" - Methane gas at record highs

 
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The Northern Hemisphere set an ALL TIME record for snow cover this winter. Is that the effect of global warming?
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The Northern Hemisphere set an ALL TIME record for snow cover this winter. Is that the effect of global warming?
 Quoting: Felixtheslave


Yes. Climate unstability is not a linear event but will be accompanied by wild volatility which is what they have been banging on about. Evidently you have been asleep.
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The South Pole Ice cap is not melting, there are no rivers there, only ice bergs breaking off. How dumb are you? Must you have a doomsday fantasy to fill your pathetic life?
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The earth is always undergoing change and mass die-offs occur with regularity. The temperatures on this earth are always fluctuating, and the kind of life on this planet changes with it.

Look how the continents are always on the move.

It's just that we've never had so many people on this earth before (that we know of) and our communication technology is very good at this point.

It's not the use of fossil fuels that's causing it, and it's not the devil either.
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I'm sorry, more snow/less snow, more rain less rain etc. They can't predict the weather 10 days out, but global warming is predictable years out.
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I heard on NPR today that they are now teaching climate change in schools. Carbon tax will be implemented in the next few years. That will be the last straw that destroys business.
 Quoting: Utter_Carnage


Just now teaching it in schools???

I was taught this junk back in 1991....in school!

They taught us that unless something was done about the climate back then that we ONLY had 10 years until we ran out of oxygen and died! LMAO

Let me guess...Some scientist is telling his students that in another 10 years we are DOOMED as well?
 Quoting: ZEROeffect


This is a classic straw man argument. You've falsely created an example of a ridiculous position someone might take (running out of oxygen in 10 years) as if its falsehood somehow negates an argument that we will see repercussions due to a tipping point. Drudge Report does this all the time in relation to "global warming" by over publicizing any incidence if usually cold weather, as if a one-off cold snap negates the entire argument of warming. It's really a debating tactic that either very disingenuous or ignorant people (or both) tend to adopt.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23424590


I'ld love to know which school that was as I have never come across this theory. We have always been told that our lifestyles were increasingly precarious but I have not heard a timelne being put on this apart from Lovelock (who was equally terrified by methane and gave a similar timeline as is this professor). The rest tend to be more cuationary rather than outright doom.

Denialists are strange. They will go to extreme lengths to debunk this issue. It's as if they would rather not hear and live in ignorance.
 Quoting: Marxist


Stranger still are people who swallow the environmentalist's agenda without question. There are a number of issues that need to be addressed. Why are some of the other planets warming as well? Why are humans blamed as the major factor in warming? How do you explain previous earth warming and cooling before the industrial revolution? Lastly, if in fact it is a normal earth cycle do you really think something can change it?
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The earth is always undergoing change and mass die-offs occur with regularity. The temperatures on this earth are always fluctuating, and the kind of life on this planet changes with it.

Look how the continents are always on the move.

It's just that we've never had so many people on this earth before (that we know of) and our communication technology is very good at this point.

It's not the use of fossil fuels that's causing it, and it's not the devil either.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36941348


Research Venus and its climate, you moran. Then read up on Hanson's Venusian scenario on precisely the effects of fossil fuel burning......it's on google.
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'Grave indicator': Penguins' survival at stake as Antarctic ice disappears

[link to worldnews.nbcnews.com]
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'Grave indicator': Penguins' survival at stake as Antarctic ice disappears

[link to worldnews.nbcnews.com]
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Wrong!
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Because methane is lighter than air the released methane rises and sits on top of the atmosphere. Because it reflects infrared it cools the earth.

It goes to the equator due to earth's rotation and there is a bulge there. Thats where some planes have crashed. In the intertopical covergence zone. Planes can't fly in methane. The last one I looked at had sent an out of spec pitot tube reading before the crash as its last communication. Thats what you would expect for methane. Clear air turbulence may also be caused by it.

Its why the Russian meteor exploded. It draws down the methane above the atmosphere and mixes it with air and detonates it. The Indonesian detonation was 50kT and created EMP that tookm some of the power grid down in Oz. Tunguska was estimated at 3 to 5 megaton. Rocks don't explode. Fuel-air mixtures do.

Water vapor does not disolve in methane like air so its release can be accompanied by large clouds (so called mystery clouds). One spotted by pilots in the Pacific was estimated at 200 miles in diameter.
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The Northern Hemisphere set an ALL TIME record for snow cover this winter. Is that the effect of global warming?
 Quoting: Felixtheslave


Yes. Climate unstability is not a linear event but will be accompanied by wild volatility which is what they have been banging on about. Evidently you have been asleep.
 Quoting: Marxist


You believe every statist fantasy out there, chief. Evidently you've ignored the history of propaganda. Or been completely enveloped by it, more likely.
 Quoting: The Comedian


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The earth is always undergoing change and mass die-offs occur with regularity. The temperatures on this earth are always fluctuating, and the kind of life on this planet changes with it.

Look how the continents are always on the move.

It's just that we've never had so many people on this earth before (that we know of) and our communication technology is very good at this point.

It's not the use of fossil fuels that's causing it, and it's not the devil either.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36941348


Research Venus and its climate, you moran. Then read up on Hanson's Venusian scenario on precisely the effects of fossil fuel burning......it's on google.
 Quoting: Marxist


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The Northern Hemisphere set an ALL TIME record for snow cover this winter. Is that the effect of global warming?
 Quoting: Felixtheslave


Yes. Climate unstability is not a linear event but will be accompanied by wild volatility which is what they have been banging on about. Evidently you have been asleep.
 Quoting: Marxist


You believe every statist fantasy out there, chief. Evidently you've ignored the history of propaganda. Or been completely enveloped by it, more likely.
 Quoting: The Comedian


Aaaahhh. So you follow anti-statist propaganda out there....Fox is one of them I think.

Pasionately American and libertarian, extolling the virtues of nation and culture. Cuttingly critical on climate issues

Funny that, Fox is owned by an Aussie who is married to the niece of a Chinese communist party cadre, one Wendy Deng.

Who is a dumb wanker here.
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that some mammoths died abruptly with flowers in their stomachs, quick frozen,
 Quoting: MartyWrites


When people keep believing and repeating myths like that one, there can never be valid understanding.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1394150


myth? just like now there were only a handful of mammoths.
Worry is a misuse of the imagination.
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Serious question OP. What are we supposed to do about this? In a perfect world what is the rational course of action here?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36807475


Geo-engineering, although it has it's own possible hazards of it own, seems to be the only way we could stop it now. TPTB are not acting fast enough though, may take a massive movement like the Occupy movement to wake people up. These are the only things I can think of at this point. We could reduce our energy use now but that's not going to matter when tons of methane gas enter the atmosphere.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 844118


I watched a TED talk today that gave me a little bit of hope:
[link to www.ted.com]
He makes the case that 2/3's of the earth is desertifying (if that's the right word), but that there IS A WAY of reversing it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32873905


problem with facing truth?

worldclass problem IS geo-enginearing
"The Most Important Topic For 2013":
GeoEngineering.com
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The Northern Hemisphere set an ALL TIME record for snow cover this winter. Is that the effect of global warming?
 Quoting: Felixtheslave


Nope. It is the direct result of a shrinking atmosphere. ALL weather extremes we've seen recently are. Drought here, massive flooding there, huge snow storms etc. The atmosphere shrinks & expands with solar activity. We are in the solar "maximum" right now but it's an extremely weak maximum, that followed a very low minimum. Some astronomers are calling for a mini-Maunder, which was the cause of the last mini-ice age.
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So me choosing to enter the gas/oil industry rather than become a doctor is a win for me?? Sweet!
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So me choosing to enter the gas/oil industry rather than become a doctor is a win for me?? Sweet!
 Quoting: Patrick Bateman


maybe, but the petroleum industry is very price-dependent. a geophysicist can expect more than a couple of lay-offs during their career, and depending on the timing they can be hard to back bounce from.
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Here is one to watch. The strange noises being heard worldwide.

Note the mystery cloud at 7:30.

[link to www.youtube.com]
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'Grave indicator': Penguins' survival at stake as Antarctic ice disappears

[link to worldnews.nbcnews.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 844118


Wrong!
 Quoting: Felixtheslave

pick
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The Northern Hemisphere set an ALL TIME record for snow cover this winter. Is that the effect of global warming?
 Quoting: Felixtheslave


Yes. Climate unstability is not a linear event but will be accompanied by wild volatility which is what they have been banging on about. Evidently you have been asleep.
 Quoting: Marxist


bumplast forecasts of climatologists for this year means even more huge scales of artic ice melting then in 2012
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The Northern Hemisphere set an ALL TIME record for snow cover this winter. Is that the effect of global warming?
 Quoting: Felixtheslave


Yes. Climate unstability is not a linear event but will be accompanied by wild volatility which is what they have been banging on about. Evidently you have been asleep.
 Quoting: Marxist


bumplast forecasts of climatologists for this year means even more huge scales of artic ice melting then in 2012
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yup
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"I Believe the Planet is in Full-Blown Meltdown"


"According to the UN Environment Program, the Earth is in the midst of an acute mass extinction event. Scientists estimate . . ."
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February 5, 2013
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Yes. Climate unstability is not a linear event but will be accompanied by wild volatility which is what they have been banging on about. Evidently you have been asleep.
 Quoting: Marxist


You believe every statist fantasy out there, chief. Evidently you've ignored the history of propaganda. Or been completely enveloped by it, more likely.
 Quoting: The Comedian


Aaaahhh. So you follow anti-statist propaganda out there....Fox is one of them I think.

Pasionately American and libertarian, extolling the virtues of nation and culture. Cuttingly critical on climate issues

Funny that, Fox is owned by an Aussie who is married to the niece of a Chinese communist party cadre, one Wendy Deng.

Who is a dumb wanker here.
 Quoting: Marxist


Well, based on posting history up to and including this last post of yours, that would be you.

What does Fox have to do with anything? Man-made global warming/climate change is a hoax comprised of Marxo-corporate greed (Al Gore/Obama/Goldman Sachs et al) and faked data from compliant ideologue pseudo-scientists.

Don't you get newspapers in the commune?
 Quoting: The Comedian


You know, for an avowed conservative (bordering on the racist going by your comments on blacks) who is accusing me of sucking at the teat of my propaganda, to miss my very clear point...what can I say. You sir are a glaring example of the stupidity, quite widespread as it is, that will destroy this species (and probably the rest of the planet.)

The best you nongs can do with your pathetic lives is intimidate with ad hominism and tough guys pics. However as far as any substance goes, you are a cardboard cutout and I am done reasoning with you.
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You believe every statist fantasy out there, chief. Evidently you've ignored the history of propaganda. Or been completely enveloped by it, more likely.
 Quoting: The Comedian


Aaaahhh. So you follow anti-statist propaganda out there....Fox is one of them I think.

Pasionately American and libertarian, extolling the virtues of nation and culture. Cuttingly critical on climate issues

Funny that, Fox is owned by an Aussie who is married to the niece of a Chinese communist party cadre, one Wendy Deng.

Who is a dumb wanker here.
 Quoting: Marxist


Well, based on posting history up to and including this last post of yours, that would be you.

What does Fox have to do with anything? Man-made global warming/climate change is a hoax comprised of Marxo-corporate greed (Al Gore/Obama/Goldman Sachs et al) and faked data from compliant ideologue pseudo-scientists.

Don't you get newspapers in the commune?
 Quoting: The Comedian


You know, for an avowed conservative (bordering on the racist going by your comments on blacks) who is accusing me of sucking at the teat of my propaganda, to miss my very clear point...what can I say. You sir are a glaring example of the stupidity, quite widespread as it is, that will destroy this species (and probably the rest of the planet.)

The best you nongs can do with your pathetic lives is intimidate with ad hominism and tough guys pics. However as far as any substance goes, you are a cardboard cutout and I am done reasoning with you.
 Quoting: Marxist


I think you hurt his feelings, Comedian....looks like he's taking his keyboard and going home.
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Aaaahhh. So you follow anti-statist propaganda out there....Fox is one of them I think.

Pasionately American and libertarian, extolling the virtues of nation and culture. Cuttingly critical on climate issues

Funny that, Fox is owned by an Aussie who is married to the niece of a Chinese communist party cadre, one Wendy Deng.

Who is a dumb wanker here.
 Quoting: Marxist


Well, based on posting history up to and including this last post of yours, that would be you.

What does Fox have to do with anything? Man-made global warming/climate change is a hoax comprised of Marxo-corporate greed (Al Gore/Obama/Goldman Sachs et al) and faked data from compliant ideologue pseudo-scientists.

Don't you get newspapers in the commune?
 Quoting: The Comedian


You know, for an avowed conservative (bordering on the racist going by your comments on blacks) who is accusing me of sucking at the teat of my propaganda, to miss my very clear point...what can I say. You sir are a glaring example of the stupidity, quite widespread as it is, that will destroy this species (and probably the rest of the planet.)

The best you nongs can do with your pathetic lives is intimidate with ad hominism and tough guys pics. However as far as any substance goes, you are a cardboard cutout and I am done reasoning with you.
 Quoting: Marxist


I think you hurt his feelings, Comedian....looks like he's taking his keyboard and going home.
 Quoting: ohnonotagain


No, not really. The man (and you evidently) are dense. So what this will degenerate into? Name calling which is a waste of my time. I simply can't be bothered.
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For want of a better term I'm going to call these "blue burners." This one occurred in China.

These may become widespread in the future.

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[link to arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu] Antarctica is not melting, just the opposite.
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