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"An event unprecedented in human history is today" - Methane gas at record highs

 
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would you blame global warming on fossil fuels if you knew that other planets in the solar system are also being affected?


search google for

are other planets in the solar system warming

quite honestly, what is going on is way beyond earthlings' ability to change it.
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According to science, this planet has been around for 4 billion years. In that time, earth has experienced several climate shifts. Does it make the slightest sense at all that 150 years of oil and coal burning will end life on the planet as we know it? What utter horseshit. Just like gun regulation, it's another form of manipulation and control. Give up your freedoms for the greater good. Give up your right to self defense. Give up your right to move freely about in your own car. Ride an electric bus or a fucking bicycle. Well fuck that. These assholes can all go take a flying fucking dive into a ravine of rusty fence posts.
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I'm sorry, but we are at peak CO2 and peak methane. 50M tons of methane have been released by the Eastern Ice Shelf ALONE. With this added methane, and the loss of the ice to cool the planet, you will have a runaway heat feedback loop.

The evidence is there (you can verify it with simple experiments). It does not matter whether you 'believe' or not. You can stand infront of a speeding train and 'believe' it wont kill you as much as like. Facts are facts.

[link to news.nationalgeographic.com]

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So what you, Al Gore, and the other thoroughly discredited data manipulators think is that 4000000000 Years of volcanos, earthquakes, sea level rises and falls, asteroids, and assorted sun activity are TRUMPED by 150 years of oil and coal burning? Do you ACTUALLY believe that steaming pile of crap?
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I agree,

I do not deny that there is climate change, I just can't quite see the direct link with humans yet, we as a race will also need to figure out ways to minimize its impact on us and the planet.
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Abrupt climate change just around the corner peeps. Looks like the whole Arctic ice sheet is on the move and breaking up early:

March 22, 2013 video of Arctic ice breaking, cracks and on the move: [link to youtu.be]

Paul Beckwith, climatologist studying abrupt climate change: "For the record; I do not think that any sea ice will survive this summer. An event unprecedented in human history is today, this very moment, transpiring in the Arctic Ocean. The cracks in the sea ice that I reported on my Sierra Club Canada blog and elsewhere over the last several days have spread and at this moment the entire sea ice sheet (or about 99% of it) covering the Arctic Ocean is on the move. Clockwise. The ice is thin, and slushy, and breaking apart."

Beckwith goes on to say, "This is abrupt climate change in real-time. Humans have benefited greatly from a stable climate for the last 11,000 years or roughly 400 generations. Not any more. We now face an angry climate. One that we have poked in the eye with our fossil fuel stick and awakened. And now we must deal with the consequences. We must set aside our differences and prepare for what we can no longer avoid. And that is massive disruption to our civilizations."

(from Part-time professor and climatologist Paul Beckwith)


Record Methane in Arctic early March 2013:

"Methane levels for this period are at record highs in the Barents and Norwegian Seas, i.e. the highest levels ever recorded by IASI, which is is short for Infrared Atmospheric Sounding Interferometer, a Fourier transform spectrometer on board the European EUMETSAT Metop satellite that has supplied data since 2007."
[link to arctic-news.blogspot.co.uk]

"This has the potential to release vast quantities of methane trapped by ice below the surface - billions of tonnes of methane. World-wide, peat bogs store at least two trillion tons of CO2. This is equivalent to a century of emissions from fossil fuels."
[link to www.examiner.com]

This my friend, is the REAL REASON DHS ordered all those bullets. We are living on our own self-induced asteroid. Don't need to worry about what's incoming but rather what we are currently standing on.
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1. Anyone point out that it is Spring in the Arctic? And that sea ice normally starts melting a huge amount and then refreezes around October?

2. Anyone point out that "human history" is an incredibly short period of time regarding methane and that we haven't directly measured methane in the atmosphere for even 100 years?

3. Anyone point out that the sea level has risen hundreds of feet in the last 5000 years (many submerged ancient cities) in that same period this idiot "climatologist" (i.e con artist) says is "remarkable stable?"

Or is everyone just accepting what this liar/activist from the Sierra Club is saying?

I suggest that anyone who believes these idiots looks up their quotes and how their leaders say it is okay to mislead the public for the "greater good."

They want us using solar/wind power because they've made it fashionable. It doesn't work on a large scale and requires massive subsidies - so they have to justify it by lying and making people frightened and easy to control.
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Other panets have earthquakes too.


MCES6: Do earthquakes happen on other planets?

Margaret: There is evidence of seismicity on Mars and perhaps on Venus. Several moons of Jupiter and Titan, a moon of Saturn, show signs of tectonic activity so they would likely have seismicity associated with this activity. Our own moon also is seismically active.

[link to www.nasa.gov]
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y a w n...
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This might be helpful:

"God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change..."
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Fuck using oil as an energy source, why aren't burning methane in our cars and trucks and homes??? I'm talking practically free energy source people. This ain't doom, this could be blessing, if countries would unite towards extracting methane for use.
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Fuck using oil as an energy source, why aren't burning methane in our cars and trucks and homes??? I'm talking practically free energy source people. This ain't doom, this could be blessing, if countries would unite towards extracting methane for use.
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Fuck using oil as an energy source, why aren't burning methane in our cars and trucks and homes??? I'm talking practically free energy source people. This ain't doom, this could be blessing, if countries would unite towards extracting methane for use.
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AMEN BROTHER!

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There was a time when there was no ice on the South Pole. If you google 'Piri Reis map' it shows the outline of the South Pole. The map is a copy of an older map meaning at some stage in our history there was no ice on the South Pole.

What I am saying is that this is all a part of a natural cycles.
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All you can do is be prepared.

Food, water, bug-out-bag, ect.

Forget relying on the State for anything. Hell, you can't even get the truth from these people.

The earth's gonna do what the earth is gonna do... 150 years of the industrial revolution is nothing but a fart in the wind when you consider what this great big blue speck in the galaxy is capable of.

Just remember that the people of Pompei where probably told by their government to sacrifice some chickens to the gods or something when the volcano started rumbling... look how that turned out for them.

Be ready and trust yourself. Guck the fovernment.
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Abrupt climate change just around the corner peeps. Looks like the whole Arctic ice sheet is on the move and breaking up early:

March 22, 2013 video of Arctic ice breaking, cracks and on the move: [link to youtu.be]

Paul Beckwith, climatologist studying abrupt climate change: "For the record; I do not think that any sea ice will survive this summer. An event unprecedented in human history is today, this very moment, transpiring in the Arctic Ocean. The cracks in the sea ice that I reported on my Sierra Club Canada blog and elsewhere over the last several days have spread and at this moment the entire sea ice sheet (or about 99% of it) covering the Arctic Ocean is on the move. Clockwise. The ice is thin, and slushy, and breaking apart."

Beckwith goes on to say, "This is abrupt climate change in real-time. Humans have benefited greatly from a stable climate for the last 11,000 years or roughly 400 generations. Not any more. We now face an angry climate. One that we have poked in the eye with our fossil fuel stick and awakened. And now we must deal with the consequences. We must set aside our differences and prepare for what we can no longer avoid. And that is massive disruption to our civilizations."

(from Part-time professor and climatologist Paul Beckwith)


Record Methane in Arctic early March 2013:

"Methane levels for this period are at record highs in the Barents and Norwegian Seas, i.e. the highest levels ever recorded by IASI, which is is short for Infrared Atmospheric Sounding Interferometer, a Fourier transform spectrometer on board the European EUMETSAT Metop satellite that has supplied data since 2007."
[link to arctic-news.blogspot.co.uk]

"This has the potential to release vast quantities of methane trapped by ice below the surface - billions of tonnes of methane. World-wide, peat bogs store at least two trillion tons of CO2. This is equivalent to a century of emissions from fossil fuels."
[link to www.examiner.com]

This my friend, is the REAL REASON DHS ordered all those bullets. We are living on our own self-induced asteroid. Don't need to worry about what's incoming but rather what we are currently standing on.
 Quoting: Climate Change Watcher 844118


1. Anyone point out that it is Spring in the Arctic? And that sea ice normally starts melting a huge amount and then refreezes around October?

2. Anyone point out that "human history" is an incredibly short period of time regarding methane and that we haven't directly measured methane in the atmosphere for even 100 years?

3. Anyone point out that the sea level has risen hundreds of feet in the last 5000 years (many submerged ancient cities) in that same period this idiot "climatologist" (i.e con artist) says is "remarkable stable?"

Or is everyone just accepting what this liar/activist from the Sierra Club is saying?

I suggest that anyone who believes these idiots looks up their quotes and how their leaders say it is okay to mislead the public for the "greater good."

They want us using solar/wind power because they've made it fashionable. It doesn't work on a large scale and requires massive subsidies - so they have to justify it by lying and making people frightened and easy to control.
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This sounds a little hyped, but who knows.
My question to you is, are you not fimiliar with peak oil? also peak oil has nothing to do with how much oil is in the ground,it has to do with flow rates--net flow(EROEI), we better find something soon.
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fuck it with the amount of shit going on in the world there is nothing none of us can do about it, bollocks to life im going to live mine to the full whilst im still here.. see u all in the orion nebular...
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This might be helpful:

"God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change..."
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"...and please cause the stupid and evil people to kill each other before I utter this prayer again tomorrow morning..."
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lol
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lol
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[link to earthobservatory.nasa.gov]

Methane Explosion Warmed the Prehistoric Earth, Possible Again

December 10, 2001
A tremendous release of methane gas frozen beneath the sea floor heated the Earth by up to 13 degrees Fahrenheit (7 degrees Celsius) 55 million years ago, a new NASA study confirms. NASA scientists used data from a computer simulation of the paleo-climate to better understand the role of methane in climate change. While most greenhouse gas studies focus on carbon dioxide, methane is 20 times more potent as a heat-trapping gas in the atmosphere.

In the last 200 years, atmospheric methane has more than doubled due to decomposing organic materials in wetlands and swamps and human aided emissions from gas pipelines, coal mining, increases in irrigation and livestock flatulence.
However, there is another source of methane, formed from decomposing organic matter in ocean sediments, frozen in deposits under the seabed.

"We understand that other greenhouse gases apart from carbon dioxide are important for climate change today," said Gavin Schmidt, the lead author of the study and a researcher at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York, NY and Columbia University's Center for Climate Systems Research. "This work should help quantify how important they have been in the past, and help estimate their effects in the future."

The study will be presented on December 12, 2001, at the American Geophysical Union (AGU) Fall Meeting in San Francisco, Calif.

Generally, cold temperatures and high pressure keep methane stable beneath the ocean floor, however, that might not always have been the case. A period of global warming, called the Late Paleocene Thermal Maximum (LPTM), occurred around 55 million years ago and lasted about 100,000 years. Current theory has linked this to a vast release of frozen methane from beneath the sea floor, which led to the earth warming as a result of increased greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.

A movement of continental plates, like the Indian subcontinent, may have initiated a release that led to the LPTM, Schmidt said. We know today that when the Indian subcontinent moved into the Eurasian continent, the Himalayas began forming. This uplift of tectonic plates would have decreased pressure in the sea floor, and may have caused the large methane release. Once the atmosphere and oceans began to warm, Schmidt added, it is possible that more methane thawed and bubbled out. Some scientists speculate current global heating could eventually lead to a similar scenario in the future if the oceans warm substantially.

When methane (CH4) enters the atmosphere, it reacts with molecules of oxygen (O) and hydrogen (H), called OH radicals. The OH radicals combine with methane and break it up, creating carbon dioxide (CO2) and water vapor (H2O), both of which are greenhouse gases. Scientists previously assumed that all of the released methane would be converted to CO2 and water after about a decade. If that happened, the rise in CO2 would have been the biggest player in warming the planet. But when scientists tried to find evidence of increased CO2 levels to explain the rapid warming during the LPTM, none could be found.

The models used in the new study show that when you greatly increase methane amounts, the OH quickly gets used up, and the extra methane lingers for hundreds of years, producing enough global warming to explain the LTPM climate.

"Ten years of methane is a blip, but hundreds of years of atmospheric methane is enough to warm up the atmosphere, melt the ice in the oceans, and change the whole climate system," Schmidt said. "So we may have solved a conundrum."
Schmidt said the study should help in understanding the role methane plays in current greenhouse warming.

"If you want to think about reducing future climate change, you also have to be aware of greenhouse gases other than carbon dioxide, like methane and chlorofluorocarbons," said Schmidt. "It gives a more rounded view, and in the short-term, it may end up being more cost-efficient to reduce methane in the atmosphere than it is to reduce carbon dioxide."
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Serious question OP. What are we supposed to do about this? In a perfect world what is the rational course of action here?
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Burn a politician and/or a bankster. This will release compounds that will assist in offsetting the carbon imbalance.
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u r a genius sir...and should begin taking over our country immediately!0
Now, what about Fukushima?
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Use a thick layer of dead politicians and banksters to act as shielding atop the crippled reactor cores.

cheers

Next question?
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Meh, this is nothing that increased carbon taxes and a lowered lifestyle for the little people won't fix. Meanwhile the elite can still travel and live in their huge homes!!!

whatever
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great idea
let's go go go
and imprison those that don't believe
cause they will be killing the world instead of oh my god....SAVING IT (fear instilled in school-going youths...(oh yeah thanks al)...is that any better than the Vatican threatening us with Hell?
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You have convinced me.

I'm moving to the Brooks Mountain range near Mt. Denali, in northern Alaska.

I'm bringing my flanels, snowshoes, a shotgun, and five cases of beer. I'll also have ton's of sunscreen & my beach wear for next summer!

You're all invited, but bring more beer.

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"The evidence is there (you can verify it with simple experiments). It does not matter whether you 'believe' or not. You can stand infront of a speeding train and 'believe' it wont kill you as much as like. Facts are facts."

Between the guy you were replying to, the religious fundies who want this to happen because they're stupid enough to think Jeebus will return when the world ends, and the cynical greedy sociopaths in charge who don't give a fuck about anything but their personal short-term profit margins...

I'm kind of happy we're going to go extinct. We didn't weed out these destructive elements from our midst. Rather, we let them rule us. We let them dictate the course of our evolution. We put a person on the moon and then reverted to this short-sighted bullshit. Let humanity die and make way for a smarter species to evolve in our place. Life itself will survive us. We're the ones who won't survive us.
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There was a time when there was no ice on the South Pole. If you google 'Piri Reis map' it shows the outline of the South Pole. The map is a copy of an older map meaning at some stage in our history there was no ice on the South Pole.

What I am saying is that this is all a part of a natural cycles.
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Now how in hell is Al Gore supposed to make money from that?
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no money no can do.....
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one of my favorite shows maybe even my favorite.. Rickey for president
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Industrially produced methane comes from burning fossil fuels such as natural gas, which is the primary component of natural gas, which is burned to heat many homes and businesses. Methane is also released from active coal mines, and even abandoned coal mines that are no longer being used.

Remarkably, it is domestic hoofed-mammals like cows and sheep that are amongst the planet's major emitters of methane. By eating and digesting large quantities of grass, then burping and farting methane into the atmosphere, livestock contribute 21% of human-induced methane emissions. Currently, agricultural scientists are working to create special diets for cows that attempt to reduce this harmful waste, as beef and dariy cattle are responsible for 75% of the methane produced from livestock each year...

And for the Jesus Deniers... He is already here... So think again...
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This Earth And It's Animals are taking care of the virus of wickedness... Those that deny that fairy boy... Just as written...
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I purposely modified my truck to belch out more carbons!!!

WOOHOO!!!
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And yes all the planets are warming the sun does much more than just throw of light... More than a suntan... It Lives... And It Gives what it lives for... Life...
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Record numbers of people plus methane plus oil spills plus nuclear meltdowns plus emerging diseases equal doom in our lifetime, some few will survive to start the rot all over again. I feel bad for all of the poor animals on land and sea, this extinction event has already begun,IMO.
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Cows kill....we need cow ban legislation!
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According to science, this planet has been around for 4 billion years. In that time, earth has experienced several climate shifts. Does it make the slightest sense at all that 150 years of oil and coal burning will end life on the planet as we know it? What utter horseshit. Just like gun regulation, it's another form of manipulation and control. Give up your freedoms for the greater good. Give up your right to self defense. Give up your right to move freely about in your own car. Ride an electric bus or a fucking bicycle. Well fuck that. These assholes can all go take a flying fucking dive into a ravine of rusty fence posts.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25989455


I'm sorry, but we are at peak CO2 and peak methane. 50M tons of methane have been released by the Eastern Ice Shelf ALONE. With this added methane, and the loss of the ice to cool the planet, you will have a runaway heat feedback loop.

The evidence is there (you can verify it with simple experiments). It does not matter whether you 'believe' or not. You can stand infront of a speeding train and 'believe' it wont kill you as much as like. Facts are facts.

[link to news.nationalgeographic.com]

[link to www.ameg.me]
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CH4 (methane) is lighter than air. It will be reduced in the presence of oxygen by the uv in the upper atmosphere. O2 and O3 levels is what concerns me.
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Yep
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It boggles the mind that the current methane crisis (because that's what it is) gets so little attention by ANYONE. It's not a joke. People don't seem to realize that a lot of shit going on in the oceans right now (mass die offs and bizarre animal behavior) are tied directly to the methane releases that are going on with increasing frequency. Not to mention the alarming rate in which the ice sheets are disintegrating and releasing methane into the atmosphere. And this is not something that is going to slow - we've reached a tipping point and it is just going to get worse until there's no one left to give a shit...
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Most people don't give a shit about anything but their TV shows and new cars and impressing the neighbors.
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let's not forget the size of our penises