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How the story started

1. Scientific research was published about a possible fault line on La Palma and the possibility of a landslide being caused by future volcanic activity.

2. Theoretical projections were made as to the circumstances under which the fault could cause a major landslide.

3. A computer model was made which showed that under specific circumstances a landslide could cause a tsunami which might reach the Atlantic Coast of the USA, the Caribbean, the northern and western coasts of the South American continent, West Africa and the Western coasts of Europe.

4. A television program was made based on speculations and a very large helping of dramatic effects.

5. The general public believed it. The media keeps repeating the speculation as if it is fact.

6. Other well respected scientists have destroyed the La Palma Tsunami theory by using factual evidence. The media has FAILED to present this contra-expertise.

So what's the problem?

The problem is that the world is even today being given the impression that:

1. La Palma will slide into the ocean.

2. A La Palma landslide would cause a large Tsunami.

3. The damage caused by a La Palma Tsunami would be on the scale of the 26 December 2004 Tsunami.

4. People should buy insurance against Tsunami flood damage.

5. People should not visit La Palma or the Canary Islands.

What are the effects?

1. People are being misled into believing the scaremongering media stories about a potential Tsunami disaster.

2. The La Palma and Canary Island tourist industry is being damaged by the incorrect information being distributed about a potentially disastrous Tsunami.
La Palma is innocent but suffering as a result of deliberately misleading information.

JMC and Thompson ceased their flights to La Palma from 2004 to 2007. Direct flights from Switzerland stopped. Flights from Germany have been substantially reduced.

The original arguments:

The proposed theory is basically that if volcanic activity1 occurs on a large enough scale water trapped2 in the volcanic rocks will be super-heated under pressure3 and will suddenly explode4 with such force that a huge chunk5 of La Palma will suddenly and very very rapidly6 drop into the sea and cause a Mega-Tsunami7 that would grow in size and cause damage8 when it reaches Florida.

All 8 numbered points are disputed or denied by well-respected experts. See further details

... more at link

[link to www.lapalma-tsunami.com]

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Three scientists say that half of La Palma will fall into the sea and cause a tsunami that will wipe out much of the population of the eastern seaboard of the USA.
They are wrong.
La Palma will not slide into the sea.
Even if it did, it wouldn't cause a tsunami that would reach the USA
Why are they saying it will?
Almost certainly to obtain funding for their own research projects.

The worlds scientific experts have shown the "research" by Ward/Day/McGuire to be incorrect, unproven and wildly exaggerated both in the Horizon program and subsequent interviews. It is not based on scientific facts.
New York has nothing to fear from La Palma. The island is stable. Only a substantial increase in height could cause it to become unstable and at the current rate of growth that would take at least 10,000 years,
This news spoils the fun for the media, disaster-mongers and hazard industry, but fortunately for the supposed potential victims and the people of the Canary Islands there is nothing to worry about on La Palma.
The content of the BBC Horizon television program has been disproved by fellow scientists and the even the BBC itself has published a partial retraction under the title "Tidal wave threat "over-hyped"
Read the facts about the situation here:
 

FACT: The Tsunami Society rightly accuses Ward/Day/McGuire of scaremongering
The Tsunami Society has issued a press statement to counteract the effect of the scaremongering reports.
Their aim is to correct misleading or invalid information released to public about this hazard.
The Tsunami Society states about the Discovery Channel program:
'We would like to halt the scaremongering from these unfounded reports."
Source: The Tsunami Society

THEY SAY: The "The block dropped 4 meters in 1949"!.
The suggestion that 'the block' of rock (25km long, 2-3km deep and 15-20km wide) suddenly sank by 4 metres in 1949 is an absurd lie. Just one look at the coastal villages of Puerto Naos, Tazacorte, El Remo, Bombilla and Playa Nueva is enough to disprove this ridiculous lie. These villages are all situated just above sea level and would have disappeared under the sea.
The block didn't sink, the villages didn't sink. SOME OF THE AREAS 30,000+ INHABITANTS WOULD HAVE NOTICED.
Ward/Day/McGuire suggest that the entire block moved 4metres vertically in relation to the rest, if that were true it would leave a very clearly visible vertical displacement fault. This evidence just does not exist. The line they suggest for the edge of the block is 40kms long. Along 37.5km of this line there is NO EVIDENCE of any movement at all. They are lying about 37.5km of the 40km line.
Or lets measure it by surface area. The surface area of the supposed block (above the sea) is about 135km2, there is evidence of movement in area of roughly 0.25km2.
What the real scientists reported was a surface fissure 2.5km long. A fissure is NOT a vertical displacement. The real scientists stated that there was no evidence to indicate that it was anything more than a localised surface phenomenon created by the lava flows nearby.
If 'the block' dropped by 4 meters then there must be a surface crack along the 2 sides. These cracks DO NOT EXIST. There is no fault line. The suggestion that the block fell is a deliberate falsehood. They found 'a crack in the paint' but Ward/Day/McGuire claim that 'the whole wall is about to fall down' !!!

THEY SAY: Mountain flank collapses have caused long-distance Mega-tsunamis.
The three known instances of similar events, Krakatoa, Santorin and Lituya Bay, Alaska, created local damage but a tsunami did not reach any distant shores. Claims that the El Hierro collapse caused problems in the Bahamas are denied by scientists in the Bahamas.
Ward/Day/McGuire ignored proven scientific facts and start the Horizon program by stating that the Lituya Bay, Alaska incident caused a mega tsunami. It didn't, and they knew it. Lander, and P. Lockridge stated clearly that the wave was confined to a small bay and dissipated quickly in the open waters of the Gulf of Alaska.

DAMNING EVIDENCE: Using scientific computer modelling the researchers from the Technical University of Delft tried to simulate the collapse of La Palma and an ensuing Tsunami. Even using extreme unrealistic data and ignoring many dampening effects they could not create a significant tsunami.
The Technical University of Delft in the Netherlands is a highly respect University and Technical Research Institute.
Their evidence leads one to compare the BBC Horizon program and the so called research by Ward/Day/McGuire with a Monty Python sketch. The only way La Palma is going to fall into the ocean is if the gigantic Monty Python cartoon foot kicks it there!

LIE: The Horizon report suggests that evidence was gathered from the water galleries (tunnels) on La Palma.
ALL the La Palma galleries are in the Caldera de Taburiente in the North of the island. The Caldera has a completely different structure and cannot provide valid supporting evidence.

MISREPRESENTATION: The Horizon report shows 4 huge vertical walls of rock within the Cumbre Vieja.
One of the graphics clearly shows 4 vertical columns of rock which, it is claimed, would trap water and create the explosion needed to trigger a landslide. The walls of rock appear to be about half a kilometer wide, at least 4 km deep and according to their own theory would need to be solid, continuous, 25km long and run parallel for all of that 25km.
Curiously, none of these huge walls of rock were encountered by the construction workers who built the 2 road tunnels which have been drilled through the Cumbre Vieja.
Curiously, none of the 4 walls of rock actually come to the surface ANYWHERE, not even where the island plunges down into the sea.
Curiously, the authors own scientific report over the west side of the island categorically states that nothing is known about the structure under the Cumbre Vieja and suggests that someone investigates it. Yet they expect us to believe their speculation that these huge columns exist.
Conclusion ? The 4 vertical walls of rock are a fabrication and only exist in the Horizon program.

THEY SAY: La Palma will drop as one massive block into the ocean.
All the measurements used to define the size of the possible block that might fall into the sea have been grossly exaggerated.
The length, width, depth and speed are all fictional.
The physical evidence for the length of the block is 4km, yet in the model they used 15 to 25 km.
The depth is suggested as 2 to 3km below the surface. The report itself states that there is no evidence for any form of deep fracture. The figure used is fictitious and was obviously chosen because without a large figure the whole La Palma Tsunami theory is exposed as a fake.
Width is given as 15 to 20 km. Again there is no hard evidence to support this fiction.
The speed of the collapse used in the model is not possible under normal circumstances. An unusual form of natural lubrication would be needed to achieve the speeds used in the model. This natural lubrication is NOT present under La Palma. An immense force would be needed to trigger the movement of the so-called block and these explosive pressures could not be produced on La Palma.

THEY CALCULATED: Their computer model says there would be a 'disaster-movie-size wave'.
The method of calculation used in the mathematical model is the wrong one. It is only valid for long under sea earthquakes. It is incorrect and misleading to claim that it can be applied to landslides.
Using the correct calculations there wouldn't have been a scare story.

THEY SAY: La Palma has undergone a previous single total flank collapse.
There are piles of debris off the coast of La Palma but there is no evidence that this was caused by a single event. There IS evidence that the debris is the result of a series of small landslides.
Ward/Day/McGuire present this lie as a fact but produce NO evidence to support their falsification, which is simply because there is no evidence.

FACT: The 'Natural Hazard' industry is a multimillion pound (euro/dollar) business.
Educational and Research institutes, Insurance companies and Hazard warning equipment manufacturers have a large commercial interest in promoting a high level of interest (and investment) in hazard monitoring programs.
Promoting scare stories is one method of obtaining funding.

FACT: The research and TV program were funded by Insurance companies.
The 'research organisation' which provided the information for the BBC Horizon program is largely funded by their parent organisation.
Their parent organisation is an Insurance Company. Insurance sells better when their potential clients get scared.
Previous versions of the research organisations website showed logos and references to the insurance companies who finance the hazard research. These references are no longer shown on the website.

FACT: The Horizon program uses wonderful graphics but very few facts.
The Horizon program uses wonderful graphics but proves nothing. The program is full of misleading suggestions and unrelated facts. For example the 4 huge vertical solid walls of rock shown in one diagram do not exist. Nothing even remotely like these walls exists. This is not a diagrammatic representation of the facts. It is pure fiction without which the hazard industry scare story would not exist.
The BBC Horizon program is NOT A SCIENTIFIC program. It belongs on the science fantasy shelf along with Star Wars, Jurassic Park and Godzilla.

QUESTION: Why was the film made when the scientific community knew that it was based on lies and speculation?.
Perhaps the quest for personal fame and fortune played a role?
McGuire's books seem to be selling quite well. They include 'A Guide to the End of the World : Everything You Never Wanted to Know', 'A Guide to the End of the World' and 'Surviving Armageddon: Solutions for a Threatened Planet'. These are not serious scientific works, they are science fantasy.
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Try reading man, you might learn something.....
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And herein lies the problem with doomtards, if it's longer than a few paragraphs, you won't read it.....
Prefer to make your own uneducated assumptions and then cry doom....
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Wouldn't doubt it's a lot of hype for a minute!

Thanks for all the research, nice to know folks are watching our proverbial backs on this kind of nonsense.
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"it's all Bull Sh*t folks and it bad for ya"
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Wouldn't doubt it's a lot of hype for a minute!

Thanks for all the research, nice to know folks are watching our proverbial backs on this kind of nonsense.
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Cheers dude, just annoys me when everyone jumps on the bullshit bandwagon.
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I never bite that story of landslide->tsunami story, seems too much. BTW I already readed somewhere about this "not so reliable" theory of the tsunami in the canary islands...
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I never bite that story of landslide->tsunami story, seems too much. BTW I already readed somewhere about this "not so reliable" theory of the tsunami in the canary islands...
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I never bite that story of landslide->tsunami story, seems too much. BTW I already readed somewhere about this "not so reliable" theory of the tsunami in the canary islands...
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I'm glad there are people on here who actually see sense.
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Well, its simple physics. If x tons of dirt/rocks landslide into the water, it means that the same amount of water will be dislocated. Now, take this amount of dirt and water and spread through the whole south&central&north america coast, it will almost make no difference at all...
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japan's tsunami was only 40meters/133ft.
a tsunami doent have to be 1000ft tall to wipeout an area.
northern california and parts of hawaii regularly get 20-40 ft waves, just normally with no tsunami.
so a tsunami of 133ft isn't really that impossible.

the waves from a 133ft tsunami in japan reached the west coast of the us. we were under tsunami alert/warnings like 8 hours after the initial hit in japan.

it doesnt have to be "mega-tsunami" to decimate a coastline.
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I'm prepared to place a wager on this too, I have indicated this with he OP of this Doom thread

Thread: El Hierro, Canary Islands Volcano

Basically saying:

I'd like to have a little GLP bet, let's say this ACTUALLY HAPPENS in the next 5 years (with undeniable proof) I shall personally buy the OP an ungraded membership......
If not, then they must do the same for me....


How's that for a wager?
Got the stones OP?
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Love it.....

Bullshit fake doom post.....everyone comments


Debunking fake doom post.....doomtards go quiet.....

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Clearly, you do NOT understand the rules in this dimension of reality.

If it can't be TWEETED, it is not the Truth.

Anything more than 60 characters suggest "demon possession".

Thanks so much for the information.

Michael
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japan's tsunami was only 40meters/133ft.
a tsunami doent have to be 1000ft tall to wipeout an area.
northern california and parts of hawaii regularly get 20-40 ft waves, just normally with no tsunami.
so a tsunami of 133ft isn't really that impossible.

the waves from a 133ft tsunami in japan reached the west coast of the us. we were under tsunami alert/warnings like 8 hours after the initial hit in japan.

it doesnt have to be "mega-tsunami" to decimate a coastline.
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Doesn't have to be impossible, but it won't have the height or power the further it travels away from its original point of origin, therefore based on te size of the area and it's landmass, you would potentially have to lose WHOLE ISLANDS for I to get anywhere near what is speculated.
Hypothetically, th UK and most certainly Africa and Southern Europe would be more at risk......

Still won't happen though.
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Love it.....

Bullshit fake doom post.....everyone comments


Debunking fake doom post.....doomtards go quiet.....

s226
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Clearly, you do NOT understand the rules in this dimension of reality.

If it can't be TWEETED, it is not the Truth.

Anything more than 60 characters suggest "demon possession".

Thanks so much for the information.

Michael
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Haha, so very very true. I forgot doomtards don't have much going in the attention span department.....
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japan's tsunami was only 40meters/133ft.
a tsunami doent have to be 1000ft tall to wipeout an area.
northern california and parts of hawaii regularly get 20-40 ft waves, just normally with no tsunami.
so a tsunami of 133ft isn't really that impossible.

the waves from a 133ft tsunami in japan reached the west coast of the us. we were under tsunami alert/warnings like 8 hours after the initial hit in japan.

it doesnt have to be "mega-tsunami" to decimate a coastline.
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Yup, agreed -- I will add that even the experts can't be totally sure about what's happening below the surface of the earth. For instance, the experts didn't foresee the way Mt St Helens erupted in the early 80s -- which it erupted from the side of the volcano causing massive landslides and pyroclastic flows. La Palma may never erupt in our lifetimes but there is still a very real possibility of an Atlantic ocean tsunami occuring. This is because the Altantic ocean is seismically active (like the Mid-Atlantic ridge) as well...
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japan's tsunami was only 40meters/133ft.
a tsunami doent have to be 1000ft tall to wipeout an area.
northern california and parts of hawaii regularly get 20-40 ft waves, just normally with no tsunami.
so a tsunami of 133ft isn't really that impossible.

the waves from a 133ft tsunami in japan reached the west coast of the us. we were under tsunami alert/warnings like 8 hours after the initial hit in japan.

it doesnt have to be "mega-tsunami" to decimate a coastline.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18380705


Yup, agreed -- I will add that even the experts can't be totally sure about what's happening below the surface of the earth. For instance, the experts didn't foresee the way Mt St Helens erupted in the early 80s -- which it erupted from the side of the volcano causing massive landslides and pyroclastic flows. La Palma may never erupt in our lifetimes but there is still a very real possibility of an Atlantic ocean tsunami occuring. This is because the Altantic ocean is seismically active (like the Mid-Atlantic ridge) as well...
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But did it cause anywhere near the damage speculated here?

No
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So many words....

but I read it anyway, and I didn't die.

On the positive side, this fake story probably kept the place from becoming another overbuilt tourist trap.

And that's a Good Thing.
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OP, your opening post has broken forum guide lines.

Therefore,

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japan's tsunami was only 40meters/133ft.
a tsunami doent have to be 1000ft tall to wipeout an area.
northern california and parts of hawaii regularly get 20-40 ft waves, just normally with no tsunami.
so a tsunami of 133ft isn't really that impossible.

the waves from a 133ft tsunami in japan reached the west coast of the us. we were under tsunami alert/warnings like 8 hours after the initial hit in japan.

it doesnt have to be "mega-tsunami" to decimate a coastline.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18380705


Yup, agreed -- I will add that even the experts can't be totally sure about what's happening below the surface of the earth. For instance, the experts didn't foresee the way Mt St Helens erupted in the early 80s -- which it erupted from the side of the volcano causing massive landslides and pyroclastic flows. La Palma may never erupt in our lifetimes but there is still a very real possibility of an Atlantic ocean tsunami occuring. This is because the Altantic ocean is seismically active (like the Mid-Atlantic ridge) as well...
damned
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Dude, some seriously creepy Deja Vu stuff going on here..

I had a weird dream last night about reading GLP, and I was reading this very thread... The post above mine here, I remember reading it, word for word... the post by kingbirdfivezero

I remember it, because in my dream I was quoting it just as I am now, and I was typing a post about a dream that I had... in my dream.... I was typing about how one of the "scientists" who claims to have debunked the whole La Palma landslide/tsunami theories, was on the evening news discussing how he and a number of colleagues lied about their debunking.

He said they lied because they were too scared about the scientific community being blamed for the millions of deaths... he was talking about how they really can NOT predict the effects of a massive landslide in the Canary Islands and they just didn't want to be the cause of general panic in the population if nothing happened...

Turns out, he was on the news, because La Palma had collapsed the day before, and the news was talking about the devastation all along the U.S. East Coast and the millions of dead in the major U.S. coastal cities... He was explaining that he and number of others around the world conspired to debunk the theories and "research" by Ward/Day/McGuire because many of them were in "denial" of what could happened and were refusing to believe Ward/Day/McGuire until the prior day when it actually happened... and so now he felt guilty for hiding the truth and had to go public and "out" his international colleagues...

Imagine that...

Some seriously freaky Deja Vu stuff...

Only La Palma hasn't collapsed yet, and fortunately all the current activity in the Canary Islands this week, isn't at La Palma...

Its at El Hierro and its moved out away from the island and is now just off the western coast, showing that magma is definitely moving, and getting shallower.... so some "experts" over there are speculated that the world will witness the opening of a new undersea vent there soon, and possibly the birth of a new island soon after...


So, yea, this is some creepy Deja Vu stuff...
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Wow what a Wall of Text.

You gotta spoon feed doom 'round here son!

Way too much info in one post.

Reminds me of a friend who is smart as fuck BUT annoying as hell. Keeps me on the damn phone for 3 hours and I can hardly get a word in.

Oh well...you'll learn.

When this thread is on page 10 and you're saying WTF? This is important! maybe you'll learn.

Namaste
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japan's tsunami was only 40meters/133ft.
a tsunami doent have to be 1000ft tall to wipeout an area.
northern california and parts of hawaii regularly get 20-40 ft waves, just normally with no tsunami.
so a tsunami of 133ft isn't really that impossible.

the waves from a 133ft tsunami in japan reached the west coast of the us. we were under tsunami alert/warnings like 8 hours after the initial hit in japan.

it doesnt have to be "mega-tsunami" to decimate a coastline.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18380705


Yup, agreed -- I will add that even the experts can't be totally sure about what's happening below the surface of the earth. For instance, the experts didn't foresee the way Mt St Helens erupted in the early 80s -- which it erupted from the side of the volcano causing massive landslides and pyroclastic flows. La Palma may never erupt in our lifetimes but there is still a very real possibility of an Atlantic ocean tsunami occuring. This is because the Altantic ocean is seismically active (like the Mid-Atlantic ridge) as well...
damned
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Dude, some seriously creepy Deja Vu stuff going on here..

I had a weird dream last night about reading GLP, and I was reading this very thread... The post above mine here, I remember reading it, word for word... the post by kingbirdfivezero

I remember it, because in my dream I was quoting it just as I am now, and I was typing a post about a dream that I had... in my dream.... I was typing about how one of the "scientists" who claims to have debunked the whole La Palma landslide/tsunami theories, was on the evening news discussing how he and a number of colleagues lied about their debunking.

He said they lied because they were too scared about the scientific community being blamed for the millions of deaths... he was talking about how they really can NOT predict the effects of a massive landslide in the Canary Islands and they just didn't want to be the cause of general panic in the population if nothing happened...

Turns out, he was on the news, because La Palma had collapsed the day before, and the news was talking about the devastation all along the U.S. East Coast and the millions of dead in the major U.S. coastal cities... He was explaining that he and number of others around the world conspired to debunk the theories and "research" by Ward/Day/McGuire because many of them were in "denial" of what could happened and were refusing to believe Ward/Day/McGuire until the prior day when it actually happened... and so now he felt guilty for hiding the truth and had to go public and "out" his international colleagues...

Imagine that...

Some seriously freaky Deja Vu stuff...

Only La Palma hasn't collapsed yet, and fortunately all the current activity in the Canary Islands this week, isn't at La Palma...

Its at El Hierro and its moved out away from the island and is now just off the western coast, showing that magma is definitely moving, and getting shallower.... so some "experts" over there are speculated that the world will witness the opening of a new undersea vent there soon, and possibly the birth of a new island soon after...


So, yea, this is some creepy Deja Vu stuff...
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Man, that is too freaky -- just wow... damned
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Re: Canary Island Mega-Tsunami.....OMG! *MUST READ*
japan's tsunami was only 40meters/133ft.
a tsunami doent have to be 1000ft tall to wipeout an area.
northern california and parts of hawaii regularly get 20-40 ft waves, just normally with no tsunami.
so a tsunami of 133ft isn't really that impossible.

the waves from a 133ft tsunami in japan reached the west coast of the us. we were under tsunami alert/warnings like 8 hours after the initial hit in japan.

it doesnt have to be "mega-tsunami" to decimate a coastline.
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Yup, agreed -- I will add that even the experts can't be totally sure about what's happening below the surface of the earth. For instance, the experts didn't foresee the way Mt St Helens erupted in the early 80s -- which it erupted from the side of the volcano causing massive landslides and pyroclastic flows. La Palma may never erupt in our lifetimes but there is still a very real possibility of an Atlantic ocean tsunami occuring. This is because the Altantic ocean is seismically active (like the Mid-Atlantic ridge) as well...
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But did it cause anywhere near the damage speculated here?

No
 Quoting: the_herbalist

Again, you're missing the point -- it doesn't have to be a mega-tsunami to cause major damage. If a tsunami on the order of the 2011 Japan event or the 2004 Indian Ocean event happened in the Atlantic -- there would be the same type of coastal devastation. Remember, that in both events there were multiple waves -- which pushed inland relentlessly. A city like New York would be totally devastated if an Alantic tsunami in the magnitute of what happened in 2011 or 2004 occurred, for instance. And again, it is a very real threat.

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Re: Canary Island Mega-Tsunami.....OMG! *MUST READ*
One hundred earthquakes cluster in progress :

[link to quakes.globalincidentmap.com]

or check as well :

[link to www.emsc-csem.org]

(click on one of the red points on the map near El Hierro and you'll have the complete list of the last earthquakes that have occured just today).



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Going to fuertaventura on 27th pics to follow-btw anyone know the highest point in fuertaventura ? please..........
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Great Thread Herbalist.
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Re: Canary Island Mega-Tsunami.....OMG! *MUST READ*
japan's tsunami was only 40meters/133ft.
a tsunami doent have to be 1000ft tall to wipeout an area.
northern california and parts of hawaii regularly get 20-40 ft waves, just normally with no tsunami.
so a tsunami of 133ft isn't really that impossible.

the waves from a 133ft tsunami in japan reached the west coast of the us. we were under tsunami alert/warnings like 8 hours after the initial hit in japan.

it doesnt have to be "mega-tsunami" to decimate a coastline.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18380705


Yup, agreed -- I will add that even the experts can't be totally sure about what's happening below the surface of the earth. For instance, the experts didn't foresee the way Mt St Helens erupted in the early 80s -- which it erupted from the side of the volcano causing massive landslides and pyroclastic flows. La Palma may never erupt in our lifetimes but there is still a very real possibility of an Atlantic ocean tsunami occuring. This is because the Altantic ocean is seismically active (like the Mid-Atlantic ridge) as well...
damned
 Quoting: kingbirdfivezero


But did it cause anywhere near the damage speculated here?

No
 Quoting: the_herbalist

Again, you're missing the point -- it doesn't have to be a mega-tsunami to cause major damage. If a tsunami on the order of the 2011 Japan event or the 2004 Indian Ocean event happened in the Atlantic -- there would be the same type of coastal devastation. Remember, that in both events there were multiple waves -- which pushed inland relentlessly. A city like New York would be totally devastated if an Alantic tsunami in the magnitute of what happened in 2011 or 2004 occurred, for instance. And again, it is a very real threat.
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I disagree, there is no proof of that being viable
Luckily I'm adhering to a pretty strict, uh, drug regiment to keep my mind limber.
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