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Should American Christians support or reject Gay Marriage?

 
Lisa*Lisa

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Not my job to condemn another, and I would never want that job anyway.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


I agree with you on that... But aren't we called to inform our brothers and sisters when they are is sin?
 Quoting: MaxMad


If the person is your christian brother or christian sister, then you can offer loving advice in private and tell them to pray about it.......because the Holy Spirit will let them know if they are in error or not, which is a very personal thing. The Holy Spirit is the guide here, not man.

But, this is not what we are doing here. This is not a private conversation between 2 christians, this is a debate in public including people of all faiths. This is not appropriate, nor helpful to others reading who may or may not be struggling with their own sexual tendencies and or their own relationship with God. This kind of thing only serves to push them farther and farther away from the Lord because they believe they are not loved or welcomed into the Kingdom of God, which is a horrible thing to do.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


So then in private you believe its a sin? So are you saying we need to go along with this world (even sin) so as to not offend or turn anyone away?
 Quoting: MaxMad


Of course it's a sin, no doubt about it. Eating pork is also a sin.......but I'm getting ready to cook my pork chops here in a minute.
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I agree with you on that... But aren't we called to inform our brothers and sisters when they are is sin?
 Quoting: MaxMad


If the person is your christian brother or christian sister, then you can offer loving advice in private and tell them to pray about it.......because the Holy Spirit will let them know if they are in error or not, which is a very personal thing. The Holy Spirit is the guide here, not man.

But, this is not what we are doing here. This is not a private conversation between 2 christians, this is a debate in public including people of all faiths. This is not appropriate, nor helpful to others reading who may or may not be struggling with their own sexual tendencies and or their own relationship with God. This kind of thing only serves to push them farther and farther away from the Lord because they believe they are not loved or welcomed into the Kingdom of God, which is a horrible thing to do.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


So then in private you believe its a sin? So are you saying we need to go along with this world (even sin) so as to not offend or turn anyone away?
 Quoting: MaxMad


Of course it's a sin, no doubt about it. Eating pork is also a sin.......but I'm getting ready to cook my pork chops here in a minute.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


But he also told us that nothing "we eat can defile us, its only what comes out of us that can defile us."

So bottom line, you know its a sin, but need to "allow" this sin???
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I agree with you on that... But aren't we called to inform our brothers and sisters when they are is sin?
 Quoting: MaxMad


If the person is your christian brother or christian sister, then you can offer loving advice in private and tell them to pray about it.......because the Holy Spirit will let them know if they are in error or not, which is a very personal thing. The Holy Spirit is the guide here, not man.

But, this is not what we are doing here. This is not a private conversation between 2 christians, this is a debate in public including people of all faiths. This is not appropriate, nor helpful to others reading who may or may not be struggling with their own sexual tendencies and or their own relationship with God. This kind of thing only serves to push them farther and farther away from the Lord because they believe they are not loved or welcomed into the Kingdom of God, which is a horrible thing to do.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


So then in private you believe its a sin? So are you saying we need to go along with this world (even sin) so as to not offend or turn anyone away?
 Quoting: MaxMad


Of course it's a sin, no doubt about it. Eating pork is also a sin.......but I'm getting ready to cook my pork chops here in a minute.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


We need to love everyone, because everyone is a sinner... But we need to bring sin to light... This is the only way we grow... We not need to be the "judge" but we should not sit idly by when a person commits a sin...
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If the person is your christian brother or christian sister, then you can offer loving advice in private and tell them to pray about it.......because the Holy Spirit will let them know if they are in error or not, which is a very personal thing. The Holy Spirit is the guide here, not man.

But, this is not what we are doing here. This is not a private conversation between 2 christians, this is a debate in public including people of all faiths. This is not appropriate, nor helpful to others reading who may or may not be struggling with their own sexual tendencies and or their own relationship with God. This kind of thing only serves to push them farther and farther away from the Lord because they believe they are not loved or welcomed into the Kingdom of God, which is a horrible thing to do.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


So then in private you believe its a sin? So are you saying we need to go along with this world (even sin) so as to not offend or turn anyone away?
 Quoting: MaxMad


Of course it's a sin, no doubt about it. Eating pork is also a sin.......but I'm getting ready to cook my pork chops here in a minute.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


We need to love everyone, because everyone is a sinner... But we need to bring sin to light... This is the only way we grow... We not need to be the "judge" but we should not sit idly by when a person commits a sin...
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you are contradicting yourself
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You cant be Christian and pro gayness. Just like you cant be black and a true jew. Period
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So then in private you believe its a sin? So are you saying we need to go along with this world (even sin) so as to not offend or turn anyone away?
 Quoting: MaxMad


Of course it's a sin, no doubt about it. Eating pork is also a sin.......but I'm getting ready to cook my pork chops here in a minute.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


We need to love everyone, because everyone is a sinner... But we need to bring sin to light... This is the only way we grow... We not need to be the "judge" but we should not sit idly by when a person commits a sin...
 Quoting: MaxMad


you are contradicting yourself
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Making someone "aware" of their sin is not judging...
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Of course it's a sin, no doubt about it. Eating pork is also a sin.......but I'm getting ready to cook my pork chops here in a minute.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


We need to love everyone, because everyone is a sinner... But we need to bring sin to light... This is the only way we grow... We not need to be the "judge" but we should not sit idly by when a person commits a sin...
 Quoting: MaxMad


you are contradicting yourself
 Quoting: Oyster


Making someone "aware" of their sin is not judging...
 Quoting: MaxMad


i think homosexuals are well aware that you believe they are sinning.

condeming gay marriage is judging.
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So turn a blind eye on sin?
 Quoting: MaxMad


Not my job to condemn another, and I would never want that job anyway.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


I agree with you on that... But aren't we called to inform our brothers and sisters when they are is sin?
 Quoting: MaxMad


If the person is your christian brother or christian sister, then you can offer loving advice in private and tell them to pray about it.......because the Holy Spirit will let them know if they are in error or not, which is a very personal thing. The Holy Spirit is the guide here, not man.

But, this is not what we are doing here. This is not a private conversation between 2 christians, this is a debate in public including people of all faiths. This is not appropriate, nor helpful to others reading who may or may not be struggling with their own sexual tendencies and or their own relationship with God. This kind of thing only serves to push them farther and farther away from the Lord because they believe they are not loved or welcomed into the Kingdom of God, which is a horrible thing to do.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Lisa, I understand that you feel compassion for those who are struggling with their sexuality, and your loving heart is something truly special and God given. However, there comes a time when a line must be drawn, where the gray area ends and you have to make a choice. You can coddle someone only so long before they become dependent upon it, and then all you have done is enabled their iniquitous behavior.
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If the person is your christian brother or christian sister, then you can offer loving advice in private and tell them to pray about it.......because the Holy Spirit will let them know if they are in error or not, which is a very personal thing. The Holy Spirit is the guide here, not man.

But, this is not what we are doing here. This is not a private conversation between 2 christians, this is a debate in public including people of all faiths. This is not appropriate, nor helpful to others reading who may or may not be struggling with their own sexual tendencies and or their own relationship with God. This kind of thing only serves to push them farther and farther away from the Lord because they believe they are not loved or welcomed into the Kingdom of God, which is a horrible thing to do.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


So then in private you believe its a sin? So are you saying we need to go along with this world (even sin) so as to not offend or turn anyone away?
 Quoting: MaxMad


Of course it's a sin, no doubt about it. Eating pork is also a sin.......but I'm getting ready to cook my pork chops here in a minute.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


But he also told us that nothing "we eat can defile us, its only what comes out of us that can defile us."

So bottom line, you know its a sin, but need to "allow" this sin???
 Quoting: MaxMad


Right, the new covenant that Jesus established is one of love and heart condition..........it's not about rules and regularions, it's about love and relationships.
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We need to love everyone, because everyone is a sinner... But we need to bring sin to light... This is the only way we grow... We not need to be the "judge" but we should not sit idly by when a person commits a sin...
 Quoting: MaxMad


you are contradicting yourself
 Quoting: Oyster


Making someone "aware" of their sin is not judging...
 Quoting: MaxMad


i think homosexuals are well aware that you believe they are sinning.

condeming gay marriage is judging.
 Quoting: Oyster


Condeming gay marriage is not judging... Gay marriage is a sin whether you want to accept it or not... I do not judge them... I am a sinner so I need to look at my own sins and repent from them... I have had brothers point out to me sins of my own, it can hurt to hear them-but I need to hear them-so that I can recognize my wrong...
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you are contradicting yourself
 Quoting: Oyster


Making someone "aware" of their sin is not judging...
 Quoting: MaxMad


i think homosexuals are well aware that you believe they are sinning.

condeming gay marriage is judging.
 Quoting: Oyster


Condeming gay marriage is not judging... Gay marriage is a sin whether you want to accept it or not... I do not judge them... I am a sinner so I need to look at my own sins and repent from them... I have had brothers point out to me sins of my own, it can hurt to hear them-but I need to hear them-so that I can recognize my wrong...
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that only works if you are a christian. i think it is safe to say that the vast majority of homosexuals are not christian.
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Not my job to condemn another, and I would never want that job anyway.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


I agree with you on that... But aren't we called to inform our brothers and sisters when they are is sin?
 Quoting: MaxMad


If the person is your christian brother or christian sister, then you can offer loving advice in private and tell them to pray about it.......because the Holy Spirit will let them know if they are in error or not, which is a very personal thing. The Holy Spirit is the guide here, not man.

But, this is not what we are doing here. This is not a private conversation between 2 christians, this is a debate in public including people of all faiths. This is not appropriate, nor helpful to others reading who may or may not be struggling with their own sexual tendencies and or their own relationship with God. This kind of thing only serves to push them farther and farther away from the Lord because they believe they are not loved or welcomed into the Kingdom of God, which is a horrible thing to do.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Lisa, I understand that you feel compassion for those who are struggling with their sexuality, and your loving heart is something truly special and God given. However, there comes a time when a line must be drawn, where the gray area ends and you have to make a choice. You can coddle someone only so long before they become dependent upon it, and then all you have done is enabled their iniquitous behavior.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Exactly, a brother or sister must be made aware of their sin, so they have the chose whether to repent or not... That choice is up to them... We love them either way.. But it is wrong to know the word and not at least let them know about it... NOT judging but letting them know about the sin..
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Making someone "aware" of their sin is not judging...
 Quoting: MaxMad


i think homosexuals are well aware that you believe they are sinning.

condeming gay marriage is judging.
 Quoting: Oyster


Condeming gay marriage is not judging... Gay marriage is a sin whether you want to accept it or not... I do not judge them... I am a sinner so I need to look at my own sins and repent from them... I have had brothers point out to me sins of my own, it can hurt to hear them-but I need to hear them-so that I can recognize my wrong...
 Quoting: MaxMad


that only works if you are a christian. i think it is safe to say that the vast majority of homosexuals are not christian.
 Quoting: Oyster


I think saying that majority are not christians is a dangerous statement... Bottom line they are still our brothers and sisters...
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This topic didn't make my list of things to give a shit about.
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i think homosexuals are well aware that you believe they are sinning.

condeming gay marriage is judging.
 Quoting: Oyster


Condeming gay marriage is not judging... Gay marriage is a sin whether you want to accept it or not... I do not judge them... I am a sinner so I need to look at my own sins and repent from them... I have had brothers point out to me sins of my own, it can hurt to hear them-but I need to hear them-so that I can recognize my wrong...
 Quoting: MaxMad


that only works if you are a christian. i think it is safe to say that the vast majority of homosexuals are not christian.
 Quoting: Oyster


I think saying that majority are not christians is a dangerous statement... Bottom line they are still our brothers and sisters...
 Quoting: MaxMad


what is dangerous about it?
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This topic didn't make my list of things to give a shit about.
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then why post?
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Gay marriage is just the next step in an extremely well organized and ferocious propaganda war to undermine both the Constitution and traditional Christian values.

If you want to understand how we've been intentionally manipulated in regards to homosexuality over the last several decades, I suggest reading this:

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America bought the whole thing, step by step. I think it's too late to stop it now.
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Not my job to condemn another, and I would never want that job anyway.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


I agree with you on that... But aren't we called to inform our brothers and sisters when they are is sin?
 Quoting: MaxMad


If the person is your christian brother or christian sister, then you can offer loving advice in private and tell them to pray about it.......because the Holy Spirit will let them know if they are in error or not, which is a very personal thing. The Holy Spirit is the guide here, not man.

But, this is not what we are doing here. This is not a private conversation between 2 christians, this is a debate in public including people of all faiths. This is not appropriate, nor helpful to others reading who may or may not be struggling with their own sexual tendencies and or their own relationship with God. This kind of thing only serves to push them farther and farther away from the Lord because they believe they are not loved or welcomed into the Kingdom of God, which is a horrible thing to do.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Lisa, I understand that you feel compassion for those who are struggling with their sexuality, and your loving heart is something truly special and God given. However, there comes a time when a line must be drawn, where the gray area ends and you have to make a choice. You can coddle someone only so long before they become dependent upon it, and then all you have done is enabled their iniquitous behavior.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Ok, a line has to be drawn. Who draws it and where is it drawn?

Is your sin ok and others sin is not ok?

When you truly, and I mean all christians, understand how wretched and evil we all really are deep down inside, you wouldn't point the finger at another for the rest of your life.

You are wicked and evil, so am I. Are you a tiny bit less evil then the homosexual? Perhaps...but it doesn't change the fact that you're still evil too and without Jesus you would go straight to hell....and so would I.

It's like 2 kids. One vomited on himself and the other crapped his pants. Which one is more dirty? They are both filthy, yet the one who vomited points at the other one and says "eww....gross".
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Christians should clean up their own act and be right with GOD first if they are true Christians. There is a lot of inhumanity going on in so called Christian families today. I am appalled at how the teenagers from these families behave in public places. Spare the rod and spoil the child.
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Its not for me to judge people. The Bible is very clear, but gay and lesbian people have rights as anyone does. I believe they should have a right for civil unions but calling their getting together marriage is a religious issue and they should leave that up to individual religions. I love all people as a Christian. This way gay and lesbians have rights of property as any people married or in a civil union enjoy.

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Its not for me to judge people. The Bible is very clear, but gay and lesbian people have rights as anyone does. I believe they should have a right for civil unions but calling their getting together marriage is a religious issue and they should leave that up to individual religions. I love all people as a Christian. This way gay and lesbians have rights of property as any people married or in a civil union enjoy.
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So there is no blessed union of marriage???
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Its not for me to judge people. The Bible is very clear, but gay and lesbian people have rights as anyone does. I believe they should have a right for civil unions but calling their getting together marriage is a religious issue and they should leave that up to individual religions. I love all people as a Christian. This way gay and lesbians have rights of property as any people married or in a civil union enjoy.
 Quoting: He Is Risen Indeed


So there is no blessed union of marriage???
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Didn't G-d intend marriage for a man and a woman? So your saying its OK?
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I agree with you on that... But aren't we called to inform our brothers and sisters when they are is sin?
 Quoting: MaxMad


If the person is your christian brother or christian sister, then you can offer loving advice in private and tell them to pray about it.......because the Holy Spirit will let them know if they are in error or not, which is a very personal thing. The Holy Spirit is the guide here, not man.

But, this is not what we are doing here. This is not a private conversation between 2 christians, this is a debate in public including people of all faiths. This is not appropriate, nor helpful to others reading who may or may not be struggling with their own sexual tendencies and or their own relationship with God. This kind of thing only serves to push them farther and farther away from the Lord because they believe they are not loved or welcomed into the Kingdom of God, which is a horrible thing to do.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Lisa, I understand that you feel compassion for those who are struggling with their sexuality, and your loving heart is something truly special and God given. However, there comes a time when a line must be drawn, where the gray area ends and you have to make a choice. You can coddle someone only so long before they become dependent upon it, and then all you have done is enabled their iniquitous behavior.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Ok, a line has to be drawn. Who draws it and where is it drawn?

Is your sin ok and others sin is not ok?

When you truly, and I mean all christians, understand how wretched and evil we all really are deep down inside, you wouldn't point the finger at another for the rest of your life.

You are wicked and evil, so am I. Are you a tiny bit less evil then the homosexual? Perhaps...but it doesn't change the fact that you're still evil too and without Jesus you would go straight to hell....and so would I.

It's like 2 kids. One vomited on himself and the other crapped his pants. Which one is more dirty? They are both filthy, yet the one who vomited points at the other one and says "eww....gross".
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Lisa, you are absolutely right and it is not up to us to be the judge and jury - we can only help each other walk the narrow and difficult path necessary to reach God's Kingdom. The question then arises - who has put this issue in the limelight and has demanded validation? It was not the Christian community that brought this up, it was those seeking approval and acceptance of their sinful ways.
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If the person is your christian brother or christian sister, then you can offer loving advice in private and tell them to pray about it.......because the Holy Spirit will let them know if they are in error or not, which is a very personal thing. The Holy Spirit is the guide here, not man.

But, this is not what we are doing here. This is not a private conversation between 2 christians, this is a debate in public including people of all faiths. This is not appropriate, nor helpful to others reading who may or may not be struggling with their own sexual tendencies and or their own relationship with God. This kind of thing only serves to push them farther and farther away from the Lord because they believe they are not loved or welcomed into the Kingdom of God, which is a horrible thing to do.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Lisa, I understand that you feel compassion for those who are struggling with their sexuality, and your loving heart is something truly special and God given. However, there comes a time when a line must be drawn, where the gray area ends and you have to make a choice. You can coddle someone only so long before they become dependent upon it, and then all you have done is enabled their iniquitous behavior.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Ok, a line has to be drawn. Who draws it and where is it drawn?

Is your sin ok and others sin is not ok?

When you truly, and I mean all christians, understand how wretched and evil we all really are deep down inside, you wouldn't point the finger at another for the rest of your life.

You are wicked and evil, so am I. Are you a tiny bit less evil then the homosexual? Perhaps...but it doesn't change the fact that you're still evil too and without Jesus you would go straight to hell....and so would I.

It's like 2 kids. One vomited on himself and the other crapped his pants. Which one is more dirty? They are both filthy, yet the one who vomited points at the other one and says "eww....gross".
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Lisa, you are absolutely right and it is not up to us to be the judge and jury - we can only help each other walk the narrow and difficult path necessary to reach God's Kingdom. The question then arises - who has put this issue in the limelight and has demanded validation? It was not the Christian community that brought this up, it was those seeking approval and acceptance of their sinful ways.
 Quoting: Rising Son


^^^This^^^
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So turn a blind eye on sin?
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Not my job to condemn another, and I would never want that job anyway.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


I agree with you on that... But aren't we called to inform our brothers and sisters when they are is sin?
 Quoting: MaxMad


If the person is your christian brother or christian sister, then you can offer loving advice in private and tell them to pray about it.......because the Holy Spirit will let them know if they are in error or not, which is a very personal thing. The Holy Spirit is the guide here, not man.

But, this is not what we are doing here. This is not a private conversation between 2 christians, this is a debate in public including people of all faiths. This is not appropriate, nor helpful to others reading who may or may not be struggling with their own sexual tendencies and or their own relationship with God. This kind of thing only serves to push them farther and farther away from the Lord because they believe they are not loved or welcomed into the Kingdom of God, which is a horrible thing to do.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


So according to what you are saying is that we should only inform a person of the sin they are commiting if we know they are a christian???
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Its not for me to judge people. The Bible is very clear, but gay and lesbian people have rights as anyone does. I believe they should have a right for civil unions but calling their getting together marriage is a religious issue and they should leave that up to individual religions. I love all people as a Christian. This way gay and lesbians have rights of property as any people married or in a civil union enjoy.
 Quoting: He Is Risen Indeed


sorry, I misread what you wrote...hf
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I voted "neither" as christians should not be involved in political affairs anyway........Jesus was crucified over a political matter by "religious" people who thought they were right and justified in what they were doing.

We should not be part of political matters.........it's none of our business as we are not part of this world, atleast we aren't supposed to be. That's what Jesus taught.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


So turn a blind eye on sin?
 Quoting: MaxMad


Oh Lisa, I am very sorry to read your position concerning our influence on the world as being One who is called by HIS name...what has our Master said?:

"Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men."

[link to bible.cc]

We are never to expect righteousness in this world, but should never stop giving it, defending it and being righteous.
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Righteousness is loving God and loving your neighbor. It is not politics and the affairs of this world. This is satan's world, not my world. I am not of this world. His Kingdom has not yet come to fulfillment on earth.

We can discuss this further, but I have to get started on lunch......hubby is getting hungry.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa



The word "righteousness" is translated from dikaiosune and is defined as "the character or quality of being right or just; it was formerly spelled `rightwiseness,' which clearly expresses the meaning.

Righteousness embraces the idea of the right knowledge in the mind, leading to the right action in life"

Hence, righteousness is doing right and refers to the state of one who is such as he ought to be before God and man.
I'm dreaming dreams,
I'm scheming schemes,
I'm building castles high.
They're born anew,
Their days are few,
Just like a sweet butterfly.
And as the daylight is dawning,
They come again in the morning.
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Ephesians 6:12 "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms."


Do you understand this scripture? I mean.....really understand it?
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


I'm not arguing over this...i certainly understand it's a demonic influence behind our government and our society as a whole that is leading america astray. All I'm saying is I do not support gay marriage. If that offends, oh well. I'm not starting a war over it, but if someone asks me where I stand on the issue, I won't shy away.
 Quoting: No More Lies


I"m not for it, or against it. It's none of my business.

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


It surely IS your business.

Read Romans 1.

It is the judgment of God falling on our nation.
When a nation turns it's back on God, as we have,
the first thing that goes is sexual morality.
Then the nation accepts and even embraces homosexuality.
That could NEVER happen in America. Right?
It HAS happened and Paul warned 2000 years ago
it would happen. And it will ALWAYS happen to ANY nation
that forsakes God. His Word proclaims it.
These particular sins were CONSIDERED evil when I grew
up in the fifties. So EVIL, that they were punished
and punished harshly.
The collapse of morality in America caused
by the apathy and indifference of the people of God
has brought us to the brink of moral and financial ruin.
This has happened many times in history, and Paul warns
us of the inevitable consequences.
We haven't heeded the warning, so we will pay
the price. We and our children.

ROMANS 1
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to UNCLEANNESS through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto VILE AFFECTIONS: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a REPROBATE MIND, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are WORTHY OF DEATH, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36897511


Bingo. This is not a matter of judging, but about being against what God is against, period.
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I'm not arguing over this...i certainly understand it's a demonic influence behind our government and our society as a whole that is leading america astray. All I'm saying is I do not support gay marriage. If that offends, oh well. I'm not starting a war over it, but if someone asks me where I stand on the issue, I won't shy away.
 Quoting: No More Lies


I"m not for it, or against it. It's none of my business.

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


It surely IS your business.

Read Romans 1.

It is the judgment of God falling on our nation.
When a nation turns it's back on God, as we have,
the first thing that goes is sexual morality.
Then the nation accepts and even embraces homosexuality.
That could NEVER happen in America. Right?
It HAS happened and Paul warned 2000 years ago
it would happen. And it will ALWAYS happen to ANY nation
that forsakes God. His Word proclaims it.
These particular sins were CONSIDERED evil when I grew
up in the fifties. So EVIL, that they were punished
and punished harshly.
The collapse of morality in America caused
by the apathy and indifference of the people of God
has brought us to the brink of moral and financial ruin.
This has happened many times in history, and Paul warns
us of the inevitable consequences.
We haven't heeded the warning, so we will pay
the price. We and our children.

ROMANS 1
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to UNCLEANNESS through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto VILE AFFECTIONS: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a REPROBATE MIND, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are WORTHY OF DEATH, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36897511


Bingo. This is not a matter of judging, but about being against what God is against, period.
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Exactly, this is why I can't see how a Christian can allow a sin to be legalized and not speak out against it...

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