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Should American Christians support or reject Gay Marriage?

 
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Its not for me to judge people. The Bible is very clear, but gay and lesbian people have rights as anyone does. I believe they should have a right for civil unions but calling their getting together marriage is a religious issue and they should leave that up to individual religions. I love all people as a Christian. This way gay and lesbians have rights of property as any people married or in a civil union enjoy.
 Quoting: He Is Risen Indeed


They have rights but continuing in their sinful lifestyle is not one of them. As Jesus said, go and sin no more.
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I voted "neither" as christians should not be involved in political affairs anyway........Jesus was crucified over a political matter by "religious" people who thought they were right and justified in what they were doing.

We should not be part of political matters.........it's none of our business as we are not part of this world, atleast we aren't supposed to be. That's what Jesus taught.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


i am pretty impressed by your response.


why is it do you think that most christians go up in arms over gay marriage?
 Quoting: Oyster


Because they like to stick their noses in other people's private business.

I'm getting really sick and tired of all the christian's on GLP constantly talking about gays around here. This does nothing but hurt others and push them away from the Lord.

Homosexuality is a sin no different then any other sin, and we all sin, every single day.

If every christian spent their time cleaning up their own sin, there would be no time wondering about others sins.

A person's sin is between them and God......period. End of story. I'm no perfect person either, first to admit it, so I don't go around pointing the finger at others who might be struggling to find their way to God.

I'm getting angry now.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa




Cool down, hon! Don't let it get to you - that's the whole plan! There was an earlier poster who reminded us that Gay Marriage (and its sister issue, Abortion) ARE wedge issues used by BOTH political parties anytime they don't want to talk about important stuff which actually affects ALL of us.

As a Christian, I believe that one of the greatest gifts originally given to Man by God was "free agency", the privilege of choice. Of course, every choice has a consequence, good or bad, and we will be judged by our choices and our learning from the consequences of those choices.

If everything is regulated and decided for us, how can we be blessed because we made the right choices? And why should you, I, or the Government be involved in someone else's personal choice? That should be between them and God, Who sees our hearts.

Personally, I am not a fan of gay marriage, so I don't plan on marrying a gay person.

Next!!
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I voted "neither" as christians should not be involved in political affairs anyway........Jesus was crucified over a political matter by "religious" people who thought they were right and justified in what they were doing.

We should not be part of political matters.........it's none of our business as we are not part of this world, atleast we aren't supposed to be. That's what Jesus taught.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


i am pretty impressed by your response.


why is it do you think that most christians go up in arms over gay marriage?
 Quoting: Oyster


Because they like to stick their noses in other people's private business.

I'm getting really sick and tired of all the christian's on GLP constantly talking about gays around here. This does nothing but hurt others and push them away from the Lord.

Homosexuality is a sin no different then any other sin, and we all sin, every single day.

If every christian spent their time cleaning up their own sin, there would be no time wondering about others sins.

A person's sin is between them and God......period. End of story. I'm no perfect person either, first to admit it, so I don't go around pointing the finger at others who might be struggling to find their way to God.

I'm getting angry now.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa




Cool down, hon! Don't let it get to you - that's the whole plan! There was an earlier poster who reminded us that Gay Marriage (and its sister issue, Abortion) ARE wedge issues used by BOTH political parties anytime they don't want to talk about important stuff which actually affects ALL of us.

As a Christian, I believe that one of the greatest gifts originally given to Man by God was "free agency", the privilege of choice. Of course, every choice has a consequence, good or bad, and we will be judged by our choices and our learning from the consequences of those choices.

If everything is regulated and decided for us, how can we be blessed because we made the right choices? And why should you, I, or the Government be involved in someone else's personal choice? That should be between them and God, Who sees our hearts.

Personally, I am not a fan of gay marriage, so I don't plan on marrying a gay person.

Next!!
 Quoting: Eggcellent


But do you support it??.... So if "someone steals a persons purse in front of you, do you say 'oh well, I'm just glad it wasn't my purse.. I am not going to steal a purse, so I'll just look the other way because it doesn't purtain to me?"
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Re: Should American Christians support or reject Gay Marriage?
How about you or the MSM pose a question regarding Muslims and their approval of Gay Marriage????

See how that goes...

Why does it always have to be the Christians that bend or change their beliefs to appease???

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I'm not arguing over this...i certainly understand it's a demonic influence behind our government and our society as a whole that is leading america astray. All I'm saying is I do not support gay marriage. If that offends, oh well. I'm not starting a war over it, but if someone asks me where I stand on the issue, I won't shy away.
 Quoting: No More Lies


I"m not for it, or against it. It's none of my business.

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


It surely IS your business.

Read Romans 1.

It is the judgment of God falling on our nation.
When a nation turns it's back on God, as we have,
the first thing that goes is sexual morality.
Then the nation accepts and even embraces homosexuality.
That could NEVER happen in America. Right?
It HAS happened and Paul warned 2000 years ago
it would happen. And it will ALWAYS happen to ANY nation
that forsakes God. His Word proclaims it.
These particular sins were CONSIDERED evil when I grew
up in the fifties. So EVIL, that they were punished
and punished harshly.
The collapse of morality in America caused
by the apathy and indifference of the people of God
has brought us to the brink of moral and financial ruin.
This has happened many times in history, and Paul warns
us of the inevitable consequences.
We haven't heeded the warning, so we will pay
the price. We and our children.

ROMANS 1
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to UNCLEANNESS through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto VILE AFFECTIONS: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a REPROBATE MIND, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:


32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are WORTHY OF DEATH, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36897511


Interesting list from Romans you quoted, because I can find myself guilty in that list too........and I'm a born again dedicated follower of the Lord Jesus Christ.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Lisa,
You better NOT find yourself in that list.
Just because Christians sin, we are NOT given
license by grace to BE SINNERS.

If you find yourself in that list you just may have
your name blotted OUT of the Book of Life,
if you don't repent.

Jesus died to save us FROM our sins,
not to save us TO sin.
We are called to be OVERCOMERS.
We are to overcome the world, the flesh and the devil.

REVELATION 21
7 HE THAT OVERCOMETH shall inherit all things;
and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

8 BUT the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable,
and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers,
and idolaters, and all liars,
shall have their part in the lake
which burneth with fire and brimstone:
which is the second death.
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Re: Should American Christians support or reject Gay Marriage?
Cool down, hon! Don't let it get to you - that's the whole plan! There was an earlier poster who reminded us that Gay Marriage (and its sister issue, Abortion) ARE wedge issues used by BOTH political parties anytime they don't want to talk about important stuff which actually affects ALL of us.

As a Christian, I believe that one of the greatest gifts originally given to Man by God was "free agency", the privilege of choice. Of course, every choice has a consequence, good or bad, and we will be judged by our choices and our learning from the consequences of those choices.

If everything is regulated and decided for us, how can we be blessed because we made the right choices? And why should you, I, or the Government be involved in someone else's personal choice? That should be between them and God, Who sees our hearts.

Personally, I am not a fan of gay marriage, so I don't plan on marrying a gay person.

Next!!
 Quoting: Eggcellent


But do you support it??.... So if "someone steals a persons purse in front of you, do you say 'oh well, I'm just glad it wasn't my purse.. I am not going to steal a purse, so I'll just look the other way because it doesn't purtain to me?"
 Quoting: MaxMad




No, because he made his choice when he decided to steal the purse, so any consequences coming his way are deserved. If by my participation in his detention I initiate the consequences, then I was part of the Plan. At the same time, during my OWN life there have been times when I was tempted to take/keep something that wasn't mine. How I reacted to those temptations were MY choices. Every time I made the better choice it became easier to do the same the next time I was tempted.

So, if I personally don't approve of same-sex marriage, I have choices too. I can vote against my State or my country making it a law. I can choose to not include the participants in my close circle of friends. I can choose not to attend gay rallies. I can choose to not support businesses such as Starbucks which make a big deal about supporting gay marriage. If asked for my opinion I can choose to express it or not, and even tell them that personally I can't accept it. Additionally, I can choose not to follow them around harping on the fact that I don't approve of it!
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I"m not for it, or against it. It's none of my business.

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


It surely IS your business.

Read Romans 1.

It is the judgment of God falling on our nation.
When a nation turns it's back on God, as we have,
the first thing that goes is sexual morality.
Then the nation accepts and even embraces homosexuality.
That could NEVER happen in America. Right?
It HAS happened and Paul warned 2000 years ago
it would happen. And it will ALWAYS happen to ANY nation
that forsakes God. His Word proclaims it.
These particular sins were CONSIDERED evil when I grew
up in the fifties. So EVIL, that they were punished
and punished harshly.
The collapse of morality in America caused
by the apathy and indifference of the people of God
has brought us to the brink of moral and financial ruin.
This has happened many times in history, and Paul warns
us of the inevitable consequences.
We haven't heeded the warning, so we will pay
the price. We and our children.

ROMANS 1
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to UNCLEANNESS through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto VILE AFFECTIONS: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a REPROBATE MIND, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:


32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are WORTHY OF DEATH, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36897511


Interesting list from Romans you quoted, because I can find myself guilty in that list too........and I'm a born again dedicated follower of the Lord Jesus Christ.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Lisa,
You better NOT find yourself in that list.
Just because Christians sin, we are NOT given
license by grace to BE SINNERS.

If you find yourself in that list you just may have
your name blotted OUT of the Book of Life,
if you don't repent.

Jesus died to save us FROM our sins,
not to save us TO sin.
We are called to be OVERCOMERS.
We are to overcome the world, the flesh and the devil.

REVELATION 21
7 HE THAT OVERCOMETH shall inherit all things;
and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

8 BUT the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable,
and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers,
and idolaters, and all liars,
shall have their part in the lake
which burneth with fire and brimstone:
which is the second death.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36897511


You sinned today, whether you know it or not. We all do.

I give up...nevermind.
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They're not Biblical adhering Christians if they accept or practice homosexuality. Not that they have to be hostile towards them, but they can never accept homosexuality without stepping outside of the fold of their religion whether it's a Jew, Christian or a Muslim. The Torah is clear, the New Testament is clear, the Quran is clear; homosexuality is against God.
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"Look, the only reason my wife and I got married in the first place was because it was something gays couldn't do. Our wedding was conceived entirely as a giant homosexual taunt. But now -- now the vows I made to my wife seem as shallow and empty as the vows I made to my three previous wives." -- Stephen Colbert, _The Daily Show_
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I voted "neither" as christians should not be involved in political affairs anyway........Jesus was crucified over a political matter by "religious" people who thought they were right and justified in what they were doing.

We should not be part of political matters.........it's none of our business as we are not part of this world, atleast we aren't supposed to be. That's what Jesus taught.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


i am pretty impressed by your response.


why is it do you think that most christians go up in arms over gay marriage?
 Quoting: Oyster


Because they like to stick their noses in other people's private business.

I'm getting really sick and tired of all the christian's on GLP constantly talking about gays around here. This does nothing but hurt others and push them away from the Lord.

Homosexuality is a sin no different then any other sin, and we all sin, every single day.

If every christian spent their time cleaning up their own sin, there would be no time wondering about others sins.

A person's sin is between them and God......period. End of story. I'm no perfect person either, first to admit it, so I don't go around pointing the finger at others who might be struggling to find their way to God.

I'm getting angry now.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa



Well you should!

You shall not hate your brother in your heart: you shall surely rebuke your neighbor, and not bear sin because of him. Leviticus 19:17

You bear sin for not speaking out about it! I am real angry at you lukewarm Laodiceans,

I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Revelation 3:15-16
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I voted "neither" as christians should not be involved in political affairs anyway........Jesus was crucified over a political matter by "religious" people who thought they were right and justified in what they were doing.

We should not be part of political matters.........it's none of our business as we are not part of this world, atleast we aren't supposed to be. That's what Jesus taught.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


i am pretty impressed by your response.


why is it do you think that most christians go up in arms over gay marriage?
 Quoting: Oyster


Because they like to stick their noses in other people's private business.

I'm getting really sick and tired of all the christian's on GLP constantly talking about gays around here. This does nothing but hurt others and push them away from the Lord.

Homosexuality is a sin no different then any other sin, and we all sin, every single day.

If every christian spent their time cleaning up their own sin, there would be no time wondering about others sins.

A person's sin is between them and God......period. End of story. I'm no perfect person either, first to admit it, so I don't go around pointing the finger at others who might be struggling to find their way to God.

I'm getting angry now.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


And excuse me, it is our bloody business when our children are being corrupted with that filth, are you now saying it is ok to be a sodomite?
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I voted "neither" as christians should not be involved in political affairs anyway........Jesus was crucified over a political matter by "religious" people who thought they were right and justified in what they were doing.

We should not be part of political matters.........it's none of our business as we are not part of this world, atleast we aren't supposed to be. That's what Jesus taught.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


i am pretty impressed by your response.


why is it do you think that most christians go up in arms over gay marriage?
 Quoting: Oyster


Because they like to stick their noses in other people's private business.

I'm getting really sick and tired of all the christian's on GLP constantly talking about gays around here. This does nothing but hurt others and push them away from the Lord.

Homosexuality is a sin no different then any other sin, and we all sin, every single day.

If every christian spent their time cleaning up their own sin, there would be no time wondering about others sins.

A person's sin is between them and God......period. End of story. I'm no perfect person either, first to admit it, so I don't go around pointing the finger at others who might be struggling to find their way to God.

I'm getting angry now.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa



Well you should!

You shall not hate your brother in your heart: you shall surely rebuke your neighbor, and not bear sin because of him. Leviticus 19:17

You bear sin for not speaking out about it! I am real angry at you lukewarm Laodiceans,

I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Revelation 3:15-16
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36848167


You just sinned because you falsely judged me as a "lukewarm laodicean" which is not true, it's a lie.

Do you get it yet? Probably not because you know only judgement, fear and condemnation.

Have a good day. I will not reply any further on this thread. Said everything I wanted to say.
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Go find another planet and sodomite to death.
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Isn't it obvious?
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I know what I believe, but I am curious to hear what others do.
 Quoting: Rising Son


I will share my two cents on it.

Gay happens. Whether or not a particular religion believes it is a sin, it still happens. We can not condemn a person for not adhering to our own religious beliefs. We should just be thankful that in a world that is quickly erasing God form the planet that we are allowed to have any beliefs at all. I am not saying i think gay is great. All i can do is remain neutral on it. Let the gays face their maker for judgement and answer for their sins as I will have to answer for my own.
You may not like it, but what can you do?? The only objection to gayness is that it is a sin, but it is not for politicians to accept or deny anything based upon an individual or group's personal beliefs. That is the world we live in. Jews dont eat pork, but you dont see them trying to get it banned for the rest of us.
What I am opposed to would be a religion flip flopping on beliefs just to not offend. If a church has made it well known for millennia that they abhor homosexuality, i would have no respect for them whatsoever if they suddenly throw open their doors and start asking God to bless the holy union. Now marriage by a justice of the peace is acceptable to me.
As for the whole subject of gayness in general, it is a thing that is a bit gross to me if i do too much visualizing, lol, but it is not a thing that deserves such attention. Let people be. Stop persecuting people for loving, and focus on stopping the people that are hating. I say this because when i face my judgement, i would rather say that i loved too many and accepted too many sinners as beautiful children of God, than to say i persecuted, judged and shamed people for being about as imperfect as i am.
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I am against homosexual marriage, not homosexuals. Hate the sin not the sinner for we are all sinners. Thieves, idolaters, harlots, love them. Abstain from thievery, idolatry, sexual immorality. Let them know you love them, that Jesus loves them and wants them to come home.
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Isn't it obvious?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36848167


I know what I believe, but I am curious to hear what others do.
 Quoting: Rising Son


I will share my two cents on it.

Gay happens. Whether or not a particular religion believes it is a sin, it still happens. We can not condemn a person for not adhering to our own religious beliefs. We should just be thankful that in a world that is quickly erasing God form the planet that we are allowed to have any beliefs at all. I am not saying i think gay is great. All i can do is remain neutral on it. Let the gays face their maker for judgement and answer for their sins as I will have to answer for my own.
You may not like it, but what can you do?? The only objection to gayness is that it is a sin, but it is not for politicians to accept or deny anything based upon an individual or group's personal beliefs. That is the world we live in. Jews dont eat pork, but you dont see them trying to get it banned for the rest of us.
What I am opposed to would be a religion flip flopping on beliefs just to not offend. If a church has made it well known for millennia that they abhor homosexuality, i would have no respect for them whatsoever if they suddenly throw open their doors and start asking God to bless the holy union. Now marriage by a justice of the peace is acceptable to me.
As for the whole subject of gayness in general, it is a thing that is a bit gross to me if i do too much visualizing, lol, but it is not a thing that deserves such attention. Let people be. Stop persecuting people for loving, and focus on stopping the people that are hating. I say this because when i face my judgement, i would rather say that i loved too many and accepted too many sinners as beautiful children of God, than to say i persecuted, judged and shamed people for being about as imperfect as i am.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23919169


This is where we must be clear. This is about the institutionalization and normalization of homosexuality. We have been barraged with an infusion of a gay agenda, and it is now being presented before the Supreme Court in order to give this perversion validation.
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Isn't it obvious?
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I know what I believe, but I am curious to hear what others do.
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I will share my two cents on it.

Gay happens. Whether or not a particular religion believes it is a sin, it still happens. We can not condemn a person for not adhering to our own religious beliefs. We should just be thankful that in a world that is quickly erasing God form the planet that we are allowed to have any beliefs at all. I am not saying i think gay is great. All i can do is remain neutral on it. Let the gays face their maker for judgement and answer for their sins as I will have to answer for my own.
You may not like it, but what can you do?? The only objection to gayness is that it is a sin, but it is not for politicians to accept or deny anything based upon an individual or group's personal beliefs. That is the world we live in. Jews dont eat pork, but you dont see them trying to get it banned for the rest of us.
What I am opposed to would be a religion flip flopping on beliefs just to not offend. If a church has made it well known for millennia that they abhor homosexuality, i would have no respect for them whatsoever if they suddenly throw open their doors and start asking God to bless the holy union. Now marriage by a justice of the peace is acceptable to me.
As for the whole subject of gayness in general, it is a thing that is a bit gross to me if i do too much visualizing, lol, but it is not a thing that deserves such attention. Let people be. Stop persecuting people for loving, and focus on stopping the people that are hating. I say this because when i face my judgement, i would rather say that i loved too many and accepted too many sinners as beautiful children of God, than to say i persecuted, judged and shamed people for being about as imperfect as i am.
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This is where we must be clear. This is about the institutionalization and normalization of homosexuality. We have been barraged with an infusion of a gay agenda, and it is now being presented before the Supreme Court in order to give this perversion validation.
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and they will get this validation! Why wouldnt they? this is how we allowed things to become. if nations were ruled by God the gay people would be fighting a losing battle. But instead we have allowed God to be removed from school and state. We allowed it to happen and this is the result.
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i am pretty impressed by your response.


why is it do you think that most christians go up in arms over gay marriage?
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Because they like to stick their noses in other people's private business.

I'm getting really sick and tired of all the christian's on GLP constantly talking about gays around here. This does nothing but hurt others and push them away from the Lord.

Homosexuality is a sin no different then any other sin, and we all sin, every single day.

If every christian spent their time cleaning up their own sin, there would be no time wondering about others sins.

A person's sin is between them and God......period. End of story. I'm no perfect person either, first to admit it, so I don't go around pointing the finger at others who might be struggling to find their way to God.

I'm getting angry now.
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Well you should!

You shall not hate your brother in your heart: you shall surely rebuke your neighbor, and not bear sin because of him. Leviticus 19:17

You bear sin for not speaking out about it! I am real angry at you lukewarm Laodiceans,

I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Revelation 3:15-16
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You just sinned because you falsely judged me as a "lukewarm laodicean" which is not true, it's a lie.

Do you get it yet? Probably not because you know only judgement, fear and condemnation.

Have a good day. I will not reply any further on this thread. Said everything I wanted to say.
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I get that we all sin, Lisa... Its just I can't understand why you would be OK with allowing a sin to become legalized... Once its legalized, people will accept it as permitable behavior.. Look at abortion....
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As followers of Christ, we should love everything "God " put on the planet.We don't have to agree , but love & understanding should be shown to everyone, It's not our place to judge. We should try and help them understand that being gay according to the Bible is an abomination to "God". However we should not be judge & jury. WE should remove our own board from the eye before trying to remove someone else's. "God" doesn't have a scale for sin, one's sin is the transgression of "God's" law. and every man , woman & child has fallin short of the glory of God. Love one another as "God" has loved us. Never hate the person, but the sin itself. Jesus himself said the same, even when sin is apparent , during the time that the people wanted to stone to death a so called woman of sin, Jesus, asked that the 1st stone thrown should be from anyone that had never sinned before. Of course nobody could.
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A moral society, whether it is Christian or otherwise
according to the Bible is established by God.
That society ALWAYS protects it's citizens by
punishing evil.

Drunkenness, violence, sexual immorality, murder, mayhem,
child abuse, drug abuse, thievery, and every other evil
in society, historically has been dealt with and punished
by civil authority.

Until recently homosexual behavior was universally
treated in America as a crime, and rightly so.
In most of the world, not yet polluted by the secular
humanism of the fallen Western culture, this is still
the case.

In our immoral society drunkenness is now a disease,
alcoholism. Drug abuse is now an addiction.
Homosexual behavior is now, "natural".
People who abuse their children were abused themselves,
so it's not really their fault.

This is ALL the work of Satan in this Earth, making
SIN acceptable, explainable, understandable.

and those who buy into this new "morality", which is
just the old immorality, are tools of the Devil,
no more , no less.
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The Bible says homosexuality is an abomination so Christians should reject the sin. Love the sinner, hate the sin
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I read all 4 pages before posting. I believe Marriage is sacred and holy. I don't have anything against anyone's sexual preference, that is their own business. I am not judging anyone. I am a Christian and my Wife and I try to live a Christian Life.

When I said I don't have anything against someone's sexual preference, I'm referring to that I would never say anything or bash them. Do I believe homosexuality is a sin. Of course. That is between God and them on judgement day.

I'm Old and grew up at a time when Christians weren't bashed and hated and made fun of 24/7. We are not living anywhere near the same type of moral type society as it was in the past. Now its o.k. to teach sex ed too elementary students. Its O.K. to teach a College class as in the news, where the teacher is making the students stomp on a piece of paper with the name Jesus on it. Now its o.k. for our politicians to take out God name out of our pledge of allegiance, Now its o.k. to punish a student and suspend the student for bringing a bible to school to read during lunch. Now its o.k to ban nativity scenes and Christmas trees during the Christmas Holiday. I can go on and on and on.

We are living in a society with no morals anymore. The whole world is gone to sh@t and people wonder why? Now the question is "Should Christians support or reject Gay Marriage"? I know you didn't mean to ask in a troll baiting manner. I am a Christian and I do not support and will always reject what you call Gay Marriage. Marriage is between a Male and Female. Are two women suppose to marry and be labeled wives or one will role play as husband? Now.... that does not mean I'm judging anyone. If they want to pass the law and make it o.k., i'm not stopping it, I won't preach against it, I won't bash or make fun of it. If they pass the law to o.k. it then fine that is up to them. But if your going to ask if I support it with my christian heart and beliefs then I must say no.

Earlier Threads stating "Cast he first stone". I get your point. But... I'm not casting any stone. I wouldn't fight against it or march against it. To have my own personal belief that I keep private is not judging. Now I know i'm posting my feelings on the internet and that is not what I meant about keeping quiet. I am posting this so if other Christians as myself read it, they should know its o.k. to keep your Christian believes and values and not be a heretic
and go marching on others believes. This Country was founded on Judeo-Christian beliefs. I understand now in the year of 2013 that is defiantly no longer the case with this country. When asking your question you should ask " Should American Christians support or reject Gay Marriage in their hearts and soul" That would eliminate the "Don't judge or throw the first stone debate." If you see a kid get thrown out of school because he kept to himself reading the bible during his lunch break. Would a Christian support that decision? Or would that be judging too? Living in today world is very hard on Christians. We have had everything taken away from us, and are heavily persecuted in other Countries around the world. Some place around the World a christian is still put to death for being a Christian in this year of 2013.

So don't shy away from your beliefs and teachings, and don't let the immoral society of today ban your thoughts and feelings and the right to think. But please enough of the bashing of a Christian for his or her belief and teachings and turn it around by saying its judging if they don't support a sin taught by Judeo-Christian teachings.

People that are gay and want to be married by the laws of the land, so be it. I don't have to support it with my heart or soul, but I will let God to be the Judge on Judgement Day.
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I know what I believe, but I am curious to hear what others do.
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I will share my two cents on it.

Gay happens. Whether or not a particular religion believes it is a sin, it still happens. We can not condemn a person for not adhering to our own religious beliefs. We should just be thankful that in a world that is quickly erasing God form the planet that we are allowed to have any beliefs at all. I am not saying i think gay is great. All i can do is remain neutral on it. Let the gays face their maker for judgement and answer for their sins as I will have to answer for my own.
You may not like it, but what can you do?? The only objection to gayness is that it is a sin, but it is not for politicians to accept or deny anything based upon an individual or group's personal beliefs. That is the world we live in. Jews dont eat pork, but you dont see them trying to get it banned for the rest of us.
What I am opposed to would be a religion flip flopping on beliefs just to not offend. If a church has made it well known for millennia that they abhor homosexuality, i would have no respect for them whatsoever if they suddenly throw open their doors and start asking God to bless the holy union. Now marriage by a justice of the peace is acceptable to me.
As for the whole subject of gayness in general, it is a thing that is a bit gross to me if i do too much visualizing, lol, but it is not a thing that deserves such attention. Let people be. Stop persecuting people for loving, and focus on stopping the people that are hating. I say this because when i face my judgement, i would rather say that i loved too many and accepted too many sinners as beautiful children of God, than to say i persecuted, judged and shamed people for being about as imperfect as i am.
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This is where we must be clear. This is about the institutionalization and normalization of homosexuality. We have been barraged with an infusion of a gay agenda, and it is now being presented before the Supreme Court in order to give this perversion validation.
 Quoting: Rising Son


and they will get this validation! Why wouldnt they? this is how we allowed things to become. if nations were ruled by God the gay people would be fighting a losing battle. But instead we have allowed God to be removed from school and state. We allowed it to happen and this is the result.
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It's a logical conclusion when you think about it, unfortunately. God is being systematically eradicated from everything within our society, and I am not sure how much longer God will allow this to continue. We as a nation could turn back and bring God back into our laws, our schools, and our families, but that reality is growing more and more dim.
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.
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I voted "neither" as christians should not be involved in political affairs anyway........Jesus was crucified over a political matter by "religious" people who thought they were right and justified in what they were doing.

We should not be part of political matters.........it's none of our business as we are not part of this world, atleast we aren't supposed to be. That's what Jesus taught.
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So turn a blind eye on sin?
 Quoting: MaxMad


You sin too, or are you perfect and don't sin?

Should we judge you with the same vigor that you judge others? The answer is "of course not"... I try not to judge anyone.

However you will be judged using the same standards you applied to others by GOD, according to your Bible.

Good luck with that test!

Warm up the sulphur lakes... We may have another one heading your way!

Luke 13:30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

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I think it is also interesting that California, a state that we all might agree is one of the most liberal in the country, voted in 2008 to uphold the traditional definition of marriage being between one man and one woman.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

There is a small minority that are trying to push this through by convincing the rest of us through some sort of group-think mentality that MOST Americans support gay marriage. They do this by using the MSM to advance their agenda, and then call us all close minded or backward for rejecting it.

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Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.
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i am pretty impressed by your response.


why is it do you think that most christians go up in arms over gay marriage?
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Because they like to stick their noses in other people's private business.

I'm getting really sick and tired of all the christian's on GLP constantly talking about gays around here. This does nothing but hurt others and push them away from the Lord.

Homosexuality is a sin no different then any other sin, and we all sin, every single day.

If every christian spent their time cleaning up their own sin, there would be no time wondering about others sins.

A person's sin is between them and God......period. End of story. I'm no perfect person either, first to admit it, so I don't go around pointing the finger at others who might be struggling to find their way to God.

I'm getting angry now.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa



Well you should!

You shall not hate your brother in your heart: you shall surely rebuke your neighbor, and not bear sin because of him. Leviticus 19:17

You bear sin for not speaking out about it! I am real angry at you lukewarm Laodiceans,

I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Revelation 3:15-16
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You just sinned because you falsely judged me as a "lukewarm laodicean" which is not true, it's a lie.

Do you get it yet? Probably not because you know only judgement, fear and condemnation.

Have a good day. I will not reply any further on this thread. Said everything I wanted to say.
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lol no I didn't. You are a luke-warm laodicean. Speaking the Truth is not a sin but Righteousness. That's it, run away like you usually do.
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Also keep in mind the distinction between marriage and a civil union. what gay people are really fighting for is civil union. let them have it. it may get dressed up with rings and flowers, but it is not a marriage. it is a public forming of a legal document. let them have it. marriage in a church is a bonding by God of two people that join together, making a statement to follow God, bear children. and raise them to follow God two. They are two entirely different things. if people could understand that, maybe they wouldnt mind so much the idea of two gay people signing a contract to live otgether and share posessions. in reality, that contract is perhaps a good thing for them. it protects each individual and grants them some small benefits. but it doesn not cause them to be united by or blessed by God in any way. So really there should be no religious debate about this at all. Now when they start protesting outside churches demanding that preists and ministers come out and make God bless them - well that is a different matter altogether.
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Also keep in mind the distinction between marriage and a civil union. what gay people are really fighting for is civil union. let them have it. it may get dressed up with rings and flowers, but it is not a marriage. it is a public forming of a legal document. let them have it. marriage in a church is a bonding by God of two people that join together, making a statement to follow God, bear children. and raise them to follow God two. They are two entirely different things. if people could understand that, maybe they wouldnt mind so much the idea of two gay people signing a contract to live otgether and share posessions. in reality, that contract is perhaps a good thing for them. it protects each individual and grants them some small benefits. but it doesn not cause them to be united by or blessed by God in any way. So really there should be no religious debate about this at all. Now when they start protesting outside churches demanding that preists and ministers come out and make God bless them - well that is a different matter altogether.
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You and I both know that this will not end with the approval of 'civil unions'. The gay and lesbian community want equal recognition, the same as straight couples receive when they marry. If this were simply about a public contract and marital subsidies, this would not be an issue. You will not appease them by allowing 'civil unions'.
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Just having to type this make me feel dirty. Because I am a human being amongst all you retarded people whom are utterly stupid. The mere fact people DEBATE this issue is nothing but a reminder of how you are all a bunch of chickens walkin' around cacklin' at each other. In the end, who the effin' cares. If a man, who lives away from YOUR environment loves a man and you never hear or see it - then what does it matter? People with the control issue, insecurities and egomaniacs - no wonder we are all doomed - not because of the "fags" but because of people who are just plain stupid nothing more. Most people on here have never even met a "fag". Most people on here do nothing but regurgitate what they hear at the pew and read on the internet. That's it. Talk about morons. Now I feel all dirty, gotta go shower.
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Should just ignore it, and also not judge other people as no man is the judge. Jesus is the Judge. We are all only human.
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Leviticus 18:22
22) Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 20:13
13) If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9) Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Romans 1:24-32
24) Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25) Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26) For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28) And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29) Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30) Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31) Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32) Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Jude 1:7-8
7) Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

8) Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Deuteronomy 22:5
5) The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God.
1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Isaiah 9:6 KJV
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Mark 16:16 KJV
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 2:38 KJV
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Romans 8:6-9 KJV
6) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Matthew 15:8-9 KJV
8) This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9) But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Acts 5:29 KJV
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

"The biggest sign from God, to let us all know that man can never be God? Death." - Anonymous
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Isn't it obvious?
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I know what I believe, but I am curious to hear what others do.
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This is what I believe. I do not expect others to accept it, it is my thoughts, no one elses.

Personally, I do not believe that gays should be "married", in the traditional sense. Simplt because there really isn't very much that is traditional about homosexuality. It is not natural, it is not a GOD created alternate lifestyle. It is a man-made perversion, created solely for self-love. It is not anything except a choice. You decide to become gay, you are not born gay.

Marriage is a religious matter, not a social-political matter. When GOD is invoked in any ceremony, it is a religious matter. When GOD is not invoked, it is a social-political matter. If the gays wish to "marry", then by the traditional honor of marriage, they must invoke GOD. GOD is not to be invoked to continue sin. If gays wish to be married in the sight of GOD, then they must renounce homosexuality. If they wish to marry without the sight of GOD, then it is a civil union.

However, let us continue in a manner of specifics. let us say that homosexual marriage is permitted in the US as a matter of law. Then, by the simple act of forcing it upon all, it is also enforced upon religion. This would mean that marriage between homosexuals must be accepted by all religions within this country. The question then demands that it must be asked that if all religions in the US must accept homosexuality does this allow any religion to opt-out of accepting homosexuality? If an exception is permitted because of religious reasons, (meaning Islam), then it must be also permitted to allow every other religion to the same exception, or it then becomes discrimination against any and all religions to force homosexuality marriage upon them.

The only other way is to continue the laws as they are written in which each state has the right and power to impose their religious views towards homosexual marriage. This seems to be the only logical choice, especially since the government now gives that right to states, by virtue of any applying for marriage must obtain a license from the state in order to legally gain a marriage. As the state has the right to decide its right of marriage, each state must allow an election of its citizens to determine the states right to perform such marriage vows. Since several states, actually well over half, have already voted in a manner that gave or denied homosexuality the right of marriage, the answer has already been voted upon and settled. If the states decision is not acceptable, then the so called "offended" will either have to learn to accept as they have demanded that others accept them.

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