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Should American Christians support or reject Gay Marriage?

 
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Should just ignore it, and also not judge other people as no man is the judge. Jesus is the Judge. We are all only human.
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Judging


If it's one thing we hear a lot these days it's "don't judge me" or "only God can judge". Are they correct??? What does God actually say on the matter??? Well, lets see what He says;


Leviticus 19:15
15) Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
KJV

1 Corinthians 2:15
15) But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

Isaiah 61:8
8) For I the Lord love judgment,

I hate robbery for burnt offering;

and I will direct their work in truth,

and I will make an everlasting covenant with them.

John 7:24
24) Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

Proverbs 21:3
3) To do justice and judgment

is more acceptable to the Lord than sacrifice.

Ezekiel 23:43-45
43) Then said I unto her that was old in adulteries, Will they now commit whoredoms with her, and she with them?

44) Yet they went in unto her, as they go in unto a woman that playeth the harlot: so went they in unto Aholah and unto Aholibah, the lewd women.

45) And the righteous men, they shall judge them after the manner of adulteresses, and after the manner of women that shed blood; because they are adulteresses, and blood is in their hands.

Isaiah 59:12-15
12) For our transgressions are multiplied before thee,

and our sins testify against us:

for our transgressions are with us;

and as for our iniquities, we know them;

13) In transgressing and lying against the Lord,

and departing away from our God,

speaking oppression and revolt,

conceiving and uttering from the heart words of falsehood.

14) And judgment is turned away backward,

and justice standeth afar off:

for truth is fallen in the street,

and equity cannot enter.

15) Yea, truth faileth;

and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey:

and the Lord saw it, and it displeased him

that there was no judgment.

1 Corinthians 6:2-4
2) Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

3) Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

4) If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.

1 Corinthians 5:9-13
9) I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:

10) Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.

11) But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

12) For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

13) But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.


So then, we see that God has no problem whatsoever with RIGHTEOUS judgement and in fact, endorses righteous judgment. Furthermore, the followers of Christ (Holy Ghost having and led people) are told to do this;

Mark 16:15
15) And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

2 Timothy 4:2-4
2) Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

3) For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

4) And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Titus 1:13
13) This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;

1 John 4:1-3
1) Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2) Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

3) And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.


So, if we preach the true Gospel, which is the truth;

John 17:17
17) Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Then we are doing what Father wants of us. Now, being that the Word of God is the Truth, then it exposes the lies, the Light being shined unto the darkness. Also, if we are to try the spirits, to see if they are of God, then RIGHTEOUS judgement has to be used, for Father tells us;

Matthew 7:16-20
16) Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17) Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18) A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19) Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20) Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

So, that said, we will now move on to the Scripture that the unlearned, misinterpret and use to try and avoid righteous judgement;

Matthew 7:1-5
1) Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2) For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3) And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4) Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5) Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

So, if the earlier Scriptures prove that God wants His people to judge righteously and preach the Gospel, then there is no way, that the people who cry "Do not judge me" or "Only God can judge me", can be correct. Then, this can only mean that God does not want people to be HYPOCRITES. As further proved by this;

Romans 2:1-11
1) Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

2) But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.

3) And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

4) Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

5) But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

6) Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

7) To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

8) But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

9) Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

10) But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

11) For there is no respect of persons with God.

For example, if I were to judge you for smoking and I did the exact same thing, I would then be doing unrighteous judgement and thus, I actually condemn myself for doing so.

The problem here, is that there are a bunch of people that are so self righteous, that they don't want to hear that they are in the wrong or that their works are evil;

Proverbs 21:2
2) Every way of a man is right in his own eyes:

but the Lord pondereth the hearts.

Father tells us;

Matthew 16:24
24) Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

You can't deny yourself, if you think that you cannot be in the wrong or despise God correcting you, for we are told;

Hebrews: 12:5-14
5) And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

6) For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7) If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

8) But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

9) Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

10) For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.

11) Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

12) Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;

13) And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.

Therefore REJOICE, because Father loves you enough to take the time to show you the truth and the error of your ways, so that you may be able to some day serve Him in Spirit and in Truth. However, many will still despise righteous judgement, for they have too much pride (darkness) to want to hear the Truth or change and this is why Father said;

John 3:19-21
19) And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

20) For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

21) But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

If you hate the Truth, then you are doing nothing but condemning your own self to suffer God's wrath and to inherit the lake of fire with Satan and his minions.

To God be the glory!!!!!
1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Isaiah 9:6 KJV
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Mark 16:16 KJV
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 2:38 KJV
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Romans 8:6-9 KJV
6) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Matthew 15:8-9 KJV
8) This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9) But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Acts 5:29 KJV
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

"The biggest sign from God, to let us all know that man can never be God? Death." - Anonymous
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Psalms 1:1

Blessed [is] the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
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Because they like to stick their noses in other people's private business.

I'm getting really sick and tired of all the christian's on GLP constantly talking about gays around here. This does nothing but hurt others and push them away from the Lord.

Homosexuality is a sin no different then any other sin, and we all sin, every single day.

If every christian spent their time cleaning up their own sin, there would be no time wondering about others sins.

A person's sin is between them and God......period. End of story. I'm no perfect person either, first to admit it, so I don't go around pointing the finger at others who might be struggling to find their way to God.

I'm getting angry now.
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Well you should!

You shall not hate your brother in your heart: you shall surely rebuke your neighbor, and not bear sin because of him. Leviticus 19:17

You bear sin for not speaking out about it! I am real angry at you lukewarm Laodiceans,

I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Revelation 3:15-16
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You just sinned because you falsely judged me as a "lukewarm laodicean" which is not true, it's a lie.

Do you get it yet? Probably not because you know only judgement, fear and condemnation.

Have a good day. I will not reply any further on this thread. Said everything I wanted to say.
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lol no I didn't. You are a luke-warm laodicean. Speaking the Truth is not a sin but Righteousness. That's it, run away like you usually do.
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OMG not only are you calling Lisa names but you are claiming righteousness as well.

Getting a bit full of yourself there - Oh self-righteous one!

Where does the Bible say you can call people names?

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Fantastic effort cmoG530 BUT in your zeal did you note the contradictions?

First of all you fail because you believe all this rubbish is GOD's words. Mostly you quote men and seriously flawed men at that.

DO YOU KNOW THE TRUTH? Obviously not!

I haven’t got time to discuss every quote but I’ll pick a few.

Leviticus 19:15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
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SO where can it be so easily proven that you can’t trust MOSES?

Deuteronomy 21:18-21 "If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear." [color]

Now you have read it did notice that at the start of the verse the son is just "stubborn and rebellious" BUT, they are ordered by MOSES to testify that he is "a glutton and a drunkard", thereby bearing FALSE WITNESS!

Moses is teaching people to break the 9th Commandment. Isn't he?

Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.


OOps hang on no he isn't ... According to the Bible GOD apparently thinks it is fine to bear false witness against a relative, thereby getting the son stoned to death! He states clearly "against thy neighbour".

Would GOD really make such a simplistic, fundamental error?

Your GOD obviously isn’t as intelligent as mine because mine would have said Thou shalt not bear false witness against anybody.

1 Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
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Paul the oppressor amazes me. BUT, believers trust in Paul amazes me even more! Where did Jesus teach this? This is an absolute and outright contradiction to Jesus’ teachings!
You quoted Jesus below but you failed to relate it to the wrongful teachings that you quoted from Paul.

Matthew 7:1-5 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.


You continually attempt to justify judgement and yet it goes against Jesus’ teachings.

You quote Paul and MOSES as GOD’s word and yet it is demonstrably not, it goes against JESUS' teachings!

All you are doing is fighting for the entire BIBLE to be correct and yet in doing so you make GOD look as foolish as you.

Now for this gem – Do you really believe Jesus said this?

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
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IF so, why aren’t you preaching to dogs, cats and ants?

Converted any horses or cows to Christianity yet? 1rof1

Why do you fail Jesus by not trying? 1rof1

I tried preaching to ants but they just wouldn’t listen… They kept scurrying about collecting food…1rof1

If this wasn’t so unintelligent it would be laughable.

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Someone else finally gets it!
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This thread has shouted very loudly that it is impossible to call yourself Christian and to also judge others.

It appears that many who call themselves Christians will choose any part of the Bible to justify judging even though JESUS categorically warns them not to do it.

If the definition of Christian is to trust and follow the teachings and deeds of Jesus Christ then many claiming to be Christian just can't be what they claim.

They just want to judge people!

Back to Christianity 101 for you people. 1rof1 If they will take you!

Even though Lisa and I disagree on many things, (ok most lol), her steadfast following of Jesus' teachings on judgement have done her proud.

Some of you have even attacked her for actually following what Jesus stated.

Hang your heads in shame!

That is why Jesus said "Luke 13:30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

Many of you threaten hellfire on others, and yet many of you are probably worse than those you threaten.

Jesus won't need to judge you... He will just read how you tried to bypass his teachings to enable yourselves to judge.

Mark 7:7-9 Their worship is a farce, for they teach man-made ideas as commands from God.

For you ignore God’s law and substitute your own tradition.”

Then he said, “You skilfully sidestep God’s law in order to hold on to your own tradition.


Wakey Wakey people...

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Jesus's own words in Matthew 7:2 "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."

Be careful people........it will come back on your own head.
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Its not for me to judge people. The Bible is very clear, but gay and lesbian people have rights as anyone does. I believe they should have a right for civil unions but calling their getting together marriage is a religious issue and they should leave that up to individual religions. I love all people as a Christian. This way gay and lesbians have rights of property as any people married or in a civil union enjoy.
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sorry, I misread what you wrote...hf
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That's OK. I didn't type it out as clearly as I would have liked but yes I believe in the blessed union of marriage between a man and a woman personally but I refuse to judge people for what they do however I do think that unions between gay and lesbian people be civil unions vs. marriages because that enters into religion's territory. I think the gov't should let individual churches and religions deal with marriage as they see fit regarding gays and lesbians.
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Whilst evaluating the Bible's references to homosexuality I came up with the following.

I think we have categorically proved, that many Christians, will use any method, so that they can put themselves into a position of judging others, thereby going against Jesus' precise teachings, BUT, what does the Bible say about homosexuality really.

John 13:34 "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another"

Does homophobic bigotry destroy this verse?

So let's start with LOT.

Genesis 19:5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where (are) the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

Firstly to know them is often misrepresented as to have sex with them. Whose got the smutty mind with that interpretation?

[link to www.blueletterbible.org]

This story makes no sense whatsoever!

The alleged angels in the story couldn't protect themselves against these alleged ravaging hoards?... Some angels!

Even though this story is a load of rubbish let's continue.

LOT does something far worse. To allegedly protect the supposed angels he offers his virgin daughters instead.

Genesis 19:8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as [is] good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

What? To be raped by homosexuals?

Why didn't LOT just offer himself? Surely he was better bait than the daughters.

Why didn't LOT offer his wife?

I wonder what GOD would truly think of someone sacrificing up their daughters in such a terrible way?

Furthermore if the hoards were homosexual why would two virgin women distract them? It makes no sense.

Now to Moses' rubbish laws on this subject. Remember MOSES is the one who just told you that crazy LOT story.

Leviticus 18:22: "You shall not lie with a male as those who lie with a female; it is an abomination."

Leviticus 20:13: "If a man lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination and they shall surely be put to death."


These might be fine if it wasn't for the other crazy laws of MOSES. Like this one

Deuteronomy22:20-21 2 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:

Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.


Stoning a woman who doesn't bleed on her wedding night, come on now, this is crazy.

This means GOD knows nothing about the woman's body as a woman's hymen can break for many reasons, other than sex. Is GOD this dumb?

Are you accepting he designs a woman and doesn't understand the physiology? Really?

But also, if you choose to believe and oppress homosexuals because of these passages, why aren't you checking bride's bed sheets and punishing them still?

Sure, Jesus said not to stone people but you judgmental, punishing believers should be able to come up with some imaginative bullying system for the bride.

Ah selective Believers pick and choose who to discriminate against. Jesus didn't undo the checking of the sheets bit... did he?

What about the male? What if he wasn't a virgin? What punishment did he face... Oh that's right NONE!

That's right the writers of the Bible are oppressing women again.

Study Moses' ridiculous laws and you have to know they aren't from GOD.

Or this one

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;

Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.


WHAT? A woman is forced to marry her rapist as long as the rapist pays the father 50 fifty shekels of silver! Oh that's right women were only property like cattle in those days.

How could GOD approve of such a disgusting law?

Would you submit your daughter to such an horrific law?

Would you sell your raped daughter out for money?

Wouldn't this law encourage wealthy males to be above the law?

GOD DID NOT APPROVE OF SUCH THINGS!

LOOK! I could go on and on about the other occurances, the translatory errors and why only the women are punished for not being virgins... but anyone can see Mosaic Law is a farce.

I could pull out all the unGODly teachings by MOSES. I could go through the other disgusting verses, one by one, but surely you can see I'm right.

If you dislike homosexuals fine... BUT, you have no right to judge them, no right to bully them, and you as a believer cannot be a bigot!

Or are you saying JESUS taught the bigotry in your hearts?

WAKE UP! You demean GOD by accepting this stuff as "approved by GOD".

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OK back to give you a little more on the LOT tale.

Remember it is MAD MOSES that is telling this tale.

This is all from Genesis 19

[link to www.blueletterbible.org]

So LOT goes to the mountains with his two daughters because he is afraid to live in Zoar.

He has just been helped by angels and GOD but he is still scared.

Now for the ultimate rubbish twist in the story.

Genesis 19:32-33 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.


WHAT? Surely this can't be true. That poor LOT taken advantage of by his horrid virgin daughters, and when he was drunk, no less.

REALLY? Come on now... More likely LOT having no wife got drunk and raped his daughters.

BUT remember women were like possessions. Who would listen to a woman?

Luckily for LOT no-one!

So here we have the possibility of a terrible crime committed against the young women, by their father, and the story possibly twisted to protect the male.

Genesis 19:36 Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.

What is the more likely scenario? Ever been drunk? He was so drunk he knew absolutely nothing about it? TWICE!

The same thing happened on the following night and he wasn't aware?

Give me a break!

How do people believe this rubbish without questioning what is a more likely scenario?

Anyone want to discuss how you allowed these women's names to be blackened when it was probably the other way around, and LOT was a creep?

Keep thinking!

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I am a straight male. Though I am NOT a Christian I do understand fully the basic tenants of the Christian religion. LOVE, COMPASSION, HUMILITY. Condemning and hating others for being of a different orientation is contradictory to The Bible as a whole. Homosexuality may be an affront to God. But as His servants it is your duty to no matter what the differences are to love thy neighbor as you love God. Judging others based on their differences makes you just as guilty. Am I judging you? No. I love everyone no matter how different they are from me because truthfully I am flawed. I am human. Until the day I stand equal to The All Father I have no right to judge (since that will never happen I will never judge another man or woman). I hope for your own souls sake you will realize that Love is God's will. Blessed Be
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I am a Christian, I dont have a problem with gays having a civil union where they care share the benefits of being married.

I just see marriage as a religious ceremony and its disrespectful to the followers of that religion to forcefully make them do something against their will.

They demand to be treated respectfully, well how about treating the religions views and wishes respectfully. All I see happening is a sea of lawsuits when churches refuse to marry gays or if the workplace does not accept gay marriages.

It should come down to a states rights thing anyways.

Its funny when they scream and yell about seperation of church and state but now they are screaming for the state to get involved in the church
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I am a Christian, I dont have a problem with gays having a civil union where they care share the benefits of being married.

I just see marriage as a religious ceremony and its disrespectful to the followers of that religion to forcefully make them do something against their will.

They demand to be treated respectfully, well how about treating the religions views and wishes respectfully. All I see happening is a sea of lawsuits when churches refuse to marry gays or if the workplace does not accept gay marriages.

It should come down to a states rights thing anyways.

Its funny when they scream and yell about seperation of church and state but now they are screaming for the state to get involved in the church
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Whilst I am pleased that you understand the need for a minimum of a legal civil union with rights equal to those of marriage, I think you let yourself down when you continued on.

If I were gay, I couldn't give a damn about marriage, but would fight for a proper civil union, for others.

However, I also don't think marriage is a religious ceremony. Afterall GOD didn't perform a wedding ceremony before Adam and Eve hopped into the cot.

You don't even have to get married in a Church these days but can have a civil ceremony with equal rights with no religious content.

THe fact that you find it funny that a gay person might want to get married in a Church, and that you falsely seem to allege that this has anything to do with separation of Church & State astounds me.

Who issues the marriage license ... the State! It is a legal matter.

So you would deny them the opportunity to extend their faith? To try to know GOD?

They are not treating people's religious views disrespectfully. Religions have oppressed them for centuries
based on the false teachings of MOSES.

Really, by wanting to marry in Church, they are showing the greatest respect to religions, religious institutions & religious people - more so than I ever would.

They are only asking for equality ... aren't they?

I guess religions and the religious amongst us still don;t get the fact that "Do unto others as you would have them do to you" applies to all!

It rightly never came with the caveat - Except gays!

You are on the right track though!

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I voted "neither" as christians should not be involved in political affairs anyway........Jesus was crucified over a political matter by "religious" people who thought they were right and justified in what they were doing.

We should not be part of political matters.........it's none of our business as we are not part of this world, atleast we aren't supposed to be. That's what Jesus taught.
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Christian worldview is based on the Bible.
Authentic Christians agree with God.
We are to be lights in the world.
Do your research in the Bible. When any land's
inhabitants are steeped in sexual perversions, the land
vomits them out. That is what is happening in this
world. Sexual immorality is a spiritual matter instead of political.
And God wants His people to be leaders in this world. When immoral people rule, all the inhabitants suffer with
drought, famine, hunger, starvation, disease, war, oppression, slavery. We are to influence and light up
this world, not crawl under a rock and let the evil corrupt people make all the decisions....then we all suffer.
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I voted "neither" as christians should not be involved in political affairs anyway........Jesus was crucified over a political matter by "religious" people who thought they were right and justified in what they were doing.

We should not be part of political matters.........it's none of our business as we are not part of this world, atleast we aren't supposed to be. That's what Jesus taught.
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Christian worldview is based on the Bible.
Authentic Christians agree with God.
We are to be lights in the world.
Do your research in the Bible. When any land's
inhabitants are steeped in sexual perversions, the land
vomits them out. That is what is happening in this
world. Sexual immorality is a spiritual matter instead of political.
And God wants His people to be leaders in this world. When immoral people rule, all the inhabitants suffer with
drought, famine, hunger, starvation, disease, war, oppression, slavery. We are to influence and light up
this world, not crawl under a rock and let the evil corrupt people make all the decisions....then we all suffer.
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Why do you insult a loving omniscient GOD with this rubbish?

STOP! worshipping the BIBLE! It is a seriuosly flawed document!

You are saying that GOD punishes innocent people for the sins of others!

Under your illogical arguments GOD punishes new born babies, the terminally ill, the poor, the disabled because of the sin of others!

Is your GOD this dumb? Mine isn't!

Your GOD seems to lack things that my GOD demands in us.

WAKE UP! You insult GOD with this rubbish!

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I understand where you're coming from but to just sit back and let tyranny or evil overtake the world just isn't right. I mean Jesus stood up against the bankers of his day...there are many examples throughout the OT and NT of godly men standing up to evil so I will say it without shame I am against homosexual marriage.
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Ephesians 6:12 "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms."


Do you understand this scripture? I mean.....really understand it?
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I'm not arguing over this...i certainly understand it's a demonic influence behind our government and our society as a whole that is leading america astray. All I'm saying is I do not support gay marriage. If that offends, oh well. I'm not starting a war over it, but if someone asks me where I stand on the issue, I won't shy away.
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I"m not for it, or against it. It's none of my business.

hf
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Then what about abortion?


None of our business?


Sure.....we are all wretched sinners......but that does not mean that we have to shut up......about various select things.
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Ephesians 6:12 "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms."


Do you understand this scripture? I mean.....really understand it?
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I'm not arguing over this...i certainly understand it's a demonic influence behind our government and our society as a whole that is leading america astray. All I'm saying is I do not support gay marriage. If that offends, oh well. I'm not starting a war over it, but if someone asks me where I stand on the issue, I won't shy away.
 Quoting: No More Lies


I"m not for it, or against it. It's none of my business.

hf
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Then what about abortion?


None of our business?


Sure.....we are all wretched sinners......but that does not mean that we have to shut up......about various select things.
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If the Bible is the inerrant word of GOD, and, Moses can be trusted, then, GOD actually approves of abortion in Numbers 5:16-22 below.

No one is really pro abortion, they are pro choice for logical reasons. GOD allegedly deals in souls, so the soul of an unborn baby is in GOD's hands anyway... isn't it?

This topic always brings forth arguments for and against that choice which is understandable.

HOWEVER, Christians who claim the Bible is GOD's inerrant word, and claim the Pro life high ground, have several problems contained in their Bibles.

It is difficult to argue GOD is pro-life, if you follow the Bible. Sorry if this offends, but it comes directly from the Bible, your book of choice!

Numbers 31:17-18 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

Where did "Thou shalt not kill" go to?

How many of the women, who had known a man, were with child when this atrocity occurred?

What were the Israelites allowed to do with the girls?

Numbers 31 should burn into the hearts & memories of Christians!

And how many of the firstborn of Egypt were with child when they were murdered during passover. They had done no wrong except be born Egyptian! The children who were slaughtered were innocents!

Does your Church shamefully celebrate this horrendous event?

If someone was to suggest a meal to celebrate the Holocaust would that be wrong! IT WOULD BE WRONG AND TOTALLY OFFENSIVE!

BUT IT GETS WORSE!

GOD allegedly told Moses regarding married women

Numbers 5:16-22 (NIV) “‘The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the Lord."

Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water.

After the priest has had the woman stand before the Lord, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse.

Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you.

But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”—

here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the Lord cause you to become a curse among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell.

May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”


“‘Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it.”


If you believe your GOD would agree to such things - So much for Pro-life!

What was the test & punishment for men who stray?

Do you really believe a loving, omniscient GOD would allow such an horrific test, only testing women?

AND what about this

Hosea 13:16-17 The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God.

They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground,their pregnant women ripped open.”


AND

1 Samuel 15:3 Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’”

Were Moses & others scumbags, who misrepresented GOD, or, did GOD give Moses a method to initiate abortion and allow the murder of unborn and innocent children?

By ignoring these horrific Biblical stories, (allegedly ordered by GOD), are you pretending that GOD is pro-life based on an ignorance as to what the Bible actually says?

Sorry to have to point out these important verses!

Please WAKE UP!

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Whilst evaluating the Bible's references to homosexuality I came up with the following.

I think we have categorically proved, that many Christians, will use any method, so that they can put themselves into a position of judging others, thereby going against Jesus' precise teachings, BUT, what does the Bible say about homosexuality really.

John 13:34 "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another"

Does homophobic bigotry destroy this verse?

So let's start with LOT.

Genesis 19:5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where (are) the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

Firstly to know them is often misrepresented as to have sex with them. Whose got the smutty mind with that interpretation?

[link to www.blueletterbible.org]

This story makes no sense whatsoever!

The alleged angels in the story couldn't protect themselves against these alleged ravaging hoards?... Some angels!

Even though this story is a load of rubbish let's continue.

LOT does something far worse. To allegedly protect the supposed angels he offers his virgin daughters instead.

Genesis 19:8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as [is] good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

What? To be raped by homosexuals?

Why didn't LOT just offer himself? Surely he was better bait than the daughters.

Why didn't LOT offer his wife?

I wonder what GOD would truly think of someone sacrificing up their daughters in such a terrible way?

Furthermore if the hoards were homosexual why would two virgin women distract them? It makes no sense.

Now to Moses' rubbish laws on this subject. Remember MOSES is the one who just told you that crazy LOT story.

Leviticus 18:22: "You shall not lie with a male as those who lie with a female; it is an abomination."

Leviticus 20:13: "If a man lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination and they shall surely be put to death."


These might be fine if it wasn't for the other crazy laws of MOSES. Like this one

Deuteronomy22:20-21 2 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:

Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.


Stoning a woman who doesn't bleed on her wedding night, come on now, this is crazy.

This means GOD knows nothing about the woman's body as a woman's hymen can break for many reasons, other than sex. Is GOD this dumb?

Are you accepting he designs a woman and doesn't understand the physiology? Really?

But also, if you choose to believe and oppress homosexuals because of these passages, why aren't you checking bride's bed sheets and punishing them still?

Sure, Jesus said not to stone people but you judgmental, punishing believers should be able to come up with some imaginative bullying system for the bride.

Ah selective Believers pick and choose who to discriminate against. Jesus didn't undo the checking of the sheets bit... did he?

What about the male? What if he wasn't a virgin? What punishment did he face... Oh that's right NONE!

That's right the writers of the Bible are oppressing women again.

Study Moses' ridiculous laws and you have to know they aren't from GOD.

Or this one

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;

Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.


WHAT? A woman is forced to marry her rapist as long as the rapist pays the father 50 fifty shekels of silver! Oh that's right women were only property like cattle in those days.

How could GOD approve of such a disgusting law?

Would you submit your daughter to such an horrific law?

Would you sell your raped daughter out for money?

Wouldn't this law encourage wealthy males to be above the law?

GOD DID NOT APPROVE OF SUCH THINGS!

LOOK! I could go on and on about the other occurances, the translatory errors and why only the women are punished for not being virgins... but anyone can see Mosaic Law is a farce.

I could pull out all the unGODly teachings by MOSES. I could go through the other disgusting verses, one by one, but surely you can see I'm right.

If you dislike homosexuals fine... BUT, you have no right to judge them, no right to bully them, and you as a believer cannot be a bigot!

Or are you saying JESUS taught the bigotry in your hearts?

WAKE UP! You demean GOD by accepting this stuff as "approved by GOD".

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It is 2013. When most of us say, who are we to judge, we mean it. Die and come back, let us know what God had to say.
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Whilst evaluating the Bible's references to homosexuality I came up with the following.

I think we have categorically proved, that many Christians, will use any method, so that they can put themselves into a position of judging others, thereby going against Jesus' precise teachings, BUT, what does the Bible say about homosexuality really.

John 13:34 "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another"

Does homophobic bigotry destroy this verse?

So let's start with LOT.

Genesis 19:5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where (are) the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

Firstly to know them is often misrepresented as to have sex with them. Whose got the smutty mind with that interpretation?

[link to www.blueletterbible.org]

This story makes no sense whatsoever!

The alleged angels in the story couldn't protect themselves against these alleged ravaging hoards?... Some angels!

Even though this story is a load of rubbish let's continue.

LOT does something far worse. To allegedly protect the supposed angels he offers his virgin daughters instead.

Genesis 19:8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as [is] good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

What? To be raped by homosexuals?

Why didn't LOT just offer himself? Surely he was better bait than the daughters.

Why didn't LOT offer his wife?

I wonder what GOD would truly think of someone sacrificing up their daughters in such a terrible way?

Furthermore if the hoards were homosexual why would two virgin women distract them? It makes no sense.

Now to Moses' rubbish laws on this subject. Remember MOSES is the one who just told you that crazy LOT story.

Leviticus 18:22: "You shall not lie with a male as those who lie with a female; it is an abomination."

Leviticus 20:13: "If a man lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination and they shall surely be put to death."


These might be fine if it wasn't for the other crazy laws of MOSES. Like this one

Deuteronomy22:20-21 2 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:

Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.


Stoning a woman who doesn't bleed on her wedding night, come on now, this is crazy.

This means GOD knows nothing about the woman's body as a woman's hymen can break for many reasons, other than sex. Is GOD this dumb?

Are you accepting he designs a woman and doesn't understand the physiology? Really?

But also, if you choose to believe and oppress homosexuals because of these passages, why aren't you checking bride's bed sheets and punishing them still?

Sure, Jesus said not to stone people but you judgmental, punishing believers should be able to come up with some imaginative bullying system for the bride.

Ah selective Believers pick and choose who to discriminate against. Jesus didn't undo the checking of the sheets bit... did he?

What about the male? What if he wasn't a virgin? What punishment did he face... Oh that's right NONE!

That's right the writers of the Bible are oppressing women again.

Study Moses' ridiculous laws and you have to know they aren't from GOD.

Or this one

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;

Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.


WHAT? A woman is forced to marry her rapist as long as the rapist pays the father 50 fifty shekels of silver! Oh that's right women were only property like cattle in those days.

How could GOD approve of such a disgusting law?

Would you submit your daughter to such an horrific law?

Would you sell your raped daughter out for money?

Wouldn't this law encourage wealthy males to be above the law?

GOD DID NOT APPROVE OF SUCH THINGS!

LOOK! I could go on and on about the other occurances, the translatory errors and why only the women are punished for not being virgins... but anyone can see Mosaic Law is a farce.

I could pull out all the unGODly teachings by MOSES. I could go through the other disgusting verses, one by one, but surely you can see I'm right.

If you dislike homosexuals fine... BUT, you have no right to judge them, no right to bully them, and you as a believer cannot be a bigot!

Or are you saying JESUS taught the bigotry in your hearts?

WAKE UP! You demean GOD by accepting this stuff as "approved by GOD".

slaphim
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It is 2013. When most of us say, who are we to judge, we mean it. Die and come back, let us know what God had to say.
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But I haven't finished teaching you people yet...

PLUS you don't have to die to understand GOD, do you?

slaphim
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According to God, “trendy” individuals are recognized as completely negative. Being at the center of attention is their ultimate love.

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According to God, “trendy” individuals are recognized as completely negative. Being at the center of attention is their ultimate love.
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REALLY?

Chapter and verse or it didn't happen.

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Have you seen Prayers for Bobby (Sigourney Weaver movie)? If not, spend some time and see it if you can, the topic is very relevant.
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According to God, “trendy” individuals are recognized as completely negative. Being at the center of attention is their ultimate love.
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REALLY?

Chapter and verse or it didn't happen.

lolsign
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I asked, and that was His answer. There are plenty of verses to support this.

My question was regarding homosexuality - his response was a bit more broad...
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1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

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2 Timothy 3:1-5
But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people.
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Should just ignore it, and also not judge other people as no man is the judge. Jesus is the Judge. We are all only human.
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Judging


If it's one thing we hear a lot these days it's "don't judge me" or "only God can judge". Are they correct??? What does God actually say on the matter??? Well, lets see what He says;


Leviticus 19:15
15) Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
KJV

1 Corinthians 2:15
15) But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

Isaiah 61:8
8) For I the Lord love judgment,

I hate robbery for burnt offering;

and I will direct their work in truth,

and I will make an everlasting covenant with them.

John 7:24
24) Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

Proverbs 21:3
3) To do justice and judgment

is more acceptable to the Lord than sacrifice.

Ezekiel 23:43-45
43) Then said I unto her that was old in adulteries, Will they now commit whoredoms with her, and she with them?

44) Yet they went in unto her, as they go in unto a woman that playeth the harlot: so went they in unto Aholah and unto Aholibah, the lewd women.

45) And the righteous men, they shall judge them after the manner of adulteresses, and after the manner of women that shed blood; because they are adulteresses, and blood is in their hands.

Isaiah 59:12-15
12) For our transgressions are multiplied before thee,

and our sins testify against us:

for our transgressions are with us;

and as for our iniquities, we know them;

13) In transgressing and lying against the Lord,

and departing away from our God,

speaking oppression and revolt,

conceiving and uttering from the heart words of falsehood.

14) And judgment is turned away backward,

and justice standeth afar off:

for truth is fallen in the street,

and equity cannot enter.

15) Yea, truth faileth;

and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey:

and the Lord saw it, and it displeased him

that there was no judgment.

1 Corinthians 6:2-4
2) Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

3) Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

4) If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.

1 Corinthians 5:9-13
9) I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:

10) Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.

11) But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

12) For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

13) But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.


So then, we see that God has no problem whatsoever with RIGHTEOUS judgement and in fact, endorses righteous judgment. Furthermore, the followers of Christ (Holy Ghost having and led people) are told to do this;

Mark 16:15
15) And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

2 Timothy 4:2-4
2) Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

3) For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

4) And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Titus 1:13
13) This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;

1 John 4:1-3
1) Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2) Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

3) And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.


So, if we preach the true Gospel, which is the truth;

John 17:17
17) Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Then we are doing what Father wants of us. Now, being that the Word of God is the Truth, then it exposes the lies, the Light being shined unto the darkness. Also, if we are to try the spirits, to see if they are of God, then RIGHTEOUS judgement has to be used, for Father tells us;

Matthew 7:16-20
16) Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17) Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18) A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19) Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20) Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

So, that said, we will now move on to the Scripture that the unlearned, misinterpret and use to try and avoid righteous judgement;

Matthew 7:1-5
1) Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2) For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3) And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4) Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5) Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

So, if the earlier Scriptures prove that God wants His people to judge righteously and preach the Gospel, then there is no way, that the people who cry "Do not judge me" or "Only God can judge me", can be correct. Then, this can only mean that God does not want people to be HYPOCRITES. As further proved by this;

Romans 2:1-11
1) Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

2) But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.

3) And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

4) Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

5) But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

6) Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

7) To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

8) But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

9) Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

10) But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

11) For there is no respect of persons with God.

For example, if I were to judge you for smoking and I did the exact same thing, I would then be doing unrighteous judgement and thus, I actually condemn myself for doing so.

The problem here, is that there are a bunch of people that are so self righteous, that they don't want to hear that they are in the wrong or that their works are evil;

Proverbs 21:2
2) Every way of a man is right in his own eyes:

but the Lord pondereth the hearts.

Father tells us;

Matthew 16:24
24) Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

You can't deny yourself, if you think that you cannot be in the wrong or despise God correcting you, for we are told;

Hebrews: 12:5-14
5) And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

6) For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7) If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

8) But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

9) Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

10) For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.

11) Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

12) Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;

13) And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.

Therefore REJOICE, because Father loves you enough to take the time to show you the truth and the error of your ways, so that you may be able to some day serve Him in Spirit and in Truth. However, many will still despise righteous judgement, for they have too much pride (darkness) to want to hear the Truth or change and this is why Father said;

John 3:19-21
19) And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

20) For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

21) But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

If you hate the Truth, then you are doing nothing but condemning your own self to suffer God's wrath and to inherit the lake of fire with Satan and his minions.

To God be the glory!!!!!
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It is a personal choice of perverted acts who's consequences of health and mental issues are paid for by others. The bible is very clear, DRIVE THEM FROM YOUR MIDST.
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According to God, “trendy” individuals are recognized as completely negative. Being at the center of attention is their ultimate love.
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REALLY?

Chapter and verse or it didn't happen.

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I asked, and that was His answer. There are plenty of verses to support this.

My question was regarding homosexuality - his response was a bit more broad...
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Oh so you claim GOD speaks directly to you?

I see you enjoy quoting Paul the Oppressor of women to justify your position.

Seeing you are in direct contact with GOD can you please ask GOD why did he allow Paul to oppress women for a further nearly 2000 years when JESUS his son never taught any such oppression?

Here are some references for you so you are fully informed.

Thread: Was Paul - aka Saul of Tarsus - a False Apostle? (Page 13)

Thanks for that... I look forward to GOD's answers through you, although GOD is quite welcome to answer me directly.

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According to God, “trendy” individuals are recognized as completely negative. Being at the center of attention is their ultimate love.
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REALLY?

Chapter and verse or it didn't happen.

lolsign
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I asked, and that was His answer. There are plenty of verses to support this.

My question was regarding homosexuality - his response was a bit more broad...
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Oh so you claim GOD speaks directly to you?

I see you enjoy quoting Paul the Oppressor of women to justify your position.

Seeing you are in direct contact with GOD can you please ask GOD why did he allow Paul to oppress women for a further nearly 2000 years when JESUS his son never taught any such oppression?

Here are some references for you so you are fully informed.

Thread: Was Paul - aka Saul of Tarsus - a False Apostle? (Page 13)

Thanks for that... I look forward to GOD's answers through you, although GOD is quite welcome to answer me directly.

hf
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Hope you understand it... This is the answer I received.

Considering, I am through and truthfully in Christ, will I delight questioning Christ? Because, do women hinder man from liberty? Man instructed to love for close to almost 5 millennia before God, our Father ever educated so much regarding liberation…
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We've already achieved social consensus, and we don't really need the approval of crazy members of a dying cult.

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