Should American Christians support or reject Gay Marriage?

So then in private you believe its a sin? So are you saying we need to go along with this world (even sin) so as to not offend or turn anyone away?

Of course it's a sin, no doubt about it. Eating pork is also a sin.......but I'm getting ready to cook my pork chops here in a minute.

Of course it's a sin, no doubt about it. Eating pork is also a sin.......but I'm getting ready to cook my pork chops here in a minute.

We need to love everyone, because everyone is a sinner... But we need to bring sin to light... This is the only way we grow... We not need to be the "judge" but we should not sit idly by when a person commits a sin...

you are contradicting yourself

Making someone "aware" of their sin is not judging...

If the person is your christian brother or christian sister, then you can offer loving advice in private and tell them to pray about it.......because the Holy Spirit will let them know if they are in error or not, which is a very personal thing. The Holy Spirit is the guide here, not man.

But, this is not what we are doing here. This is not a private conversation between 2 christians, this is a debate in public including people of all faiths. This is not appropriate, nor helpful to others reading who may or may not be struggling with their own sexual tendencies and or their own relationship with God. This kind of thing only serves to push them farther and farther away from the Lord because they believe they are not loved or welcomed into the Kingdom of God, which is a horrible thing to do.

But he also told us that nothing "we eat can defile us, its only what comes out of us that can defile us."

So bottom line, you know its a sin, but need to "allow" this sin???

i think homosexuals are well aware that you believe they are sinning.

condeming gay marriage is judging.

Condeming gay marriage is not judging... Gay marriage is a sin whether you want to accept it or not... I do not judge them... I am a sinner so I need to look at my own sins and repent from them... I have had brothers point out to me sins of my own, it can hurt to hear them-but I need to hear them-so that I can recognize my wrong...

Lisa, I understand that you feel compassion for those who are struggling with their sexuality, and your loving heart is something truly special and God given. However, there comes a time when a line must be drawn, where the gray area ends and you have to make a choice. You can coddle someone only so long before they become dependent upon it, and then all you have done is enabled their iniquitous behavior.

that only works if you are a christian. i think it is safe to say that the vast majority of homosexuals are not christian.

I think saying that majority are not christians is a dangerous statement... Bottom line they are still our brothers and sisters...

This topic didn't make my list of things to give a shit about.

Lisa, I understand that you feel compassion for those who are struggling with their sexuality, and your loving heart is something truly special and God given. However, there comes a time when a line must be drawn, where the gray area ends and you have to make a choice. You can coddle someone only so long before they become dependent upon it, and then all you have done is enabled their iniquitous behavior.

Its not for me to judge people. The Bible is very clear, but gay and lesbian people have rights as anyone does. I believe they should have a right for civil unions but calling their getting together marriage is a religious issue and they should leave that up to individual religions. I love all people as a Christian. This way gay and lesbians have rights of property as any people married or in a civil union enjoy.

So there is no blessed union of marriage???

Ok, a line has to be drawn. Who draws it and where is it drawn?

Is your sin ok and others sin is not ok?

When you truly, and I mean all christians, understand how wretched and evil we all really are deep down inside, you wouldn't point the finger at another for the rest of your life.

You are wicked and evil, so am I. Are you a tiny bit less evil then the homosexual? Perhaps...but it doesn't change the fact that you're still evil too and without Jesus you would go straight to hell....and so would I.

It's like 2 kids. One vomited on himself and the other crapped his pants. Which one is more dirty? They are both filthy, yet the one who vomited points at the other one and says "eww....gross".

Lisa, you are absolutely right and it is not up to us to be the judge and jury - we can only help each other walk the narrow and difficult path necessary to reach God's Kingdom. The question then arises - who has put this issue in the limelight and has demanded validation? It was not the Christian community that brought this up, it was those seeking approval and acceptance of their sinful ways.

If the person is your christian brother or christian sister, then you can offer loving advice in private and tell them to pray about it.......because the Holy Spirit will let them know if they are in error or not, which is a very personal thing. The Holy Spirit is the guide here, not man.

But, this is not what we are doing here. This is not a private conversation between 2 christians, this is a debate in public including people of all faiths. This is not appropriate, nor helpful to others reading who may or may not be struggling with their own sexual tendencies and or their own relationship with God. This kind of thing only serves to push them farther and farther away from the Lord because they believe they are not loved or welcomed into the Kingdom of God, which is a horrible thing to do.

Its not for me to judge people. The Bible is very clear, but gay and lesbian people have rights as anyone does. I believe they should have a right for civil unions but calling their getting together marriage is a religious issue and they should leave that up to individual religions. I love all people as a Christian. This way gay and lesbians have rights of property as any people married or in a civil union enjoy.

Righteousness is loving God and loving your neighbor. It is not politics and the affairs of this world. This is satan's world, not my world. I am not of this world. His Kingdom has not yet come to fulfillment on earth.

We can discuss this further, but I have to get started on lunch......hubby is getting hungry.

It surely IS your business.

Read Romans 1.

It is the judgment of God falling on our nation.
When a nation turns it's back on God, as we have,
the first thing that goes is sexual morality.
Then the nation accepts and even embraces homosexuality.
That could NEVER happen in America. Right?
It HAS happened and Paul warned 2000 years ago
it would happen. And it will ALWAYS happen to ANY nation
that forsakes God. His Word proclaims it.
These particular sins were CONSIDERED evil when I grew
up in the fifties. So EVIL, that they were punished
and punished harshly.
The collapse of morality in America caused
by the apathy and indifference of the people of God
has brought us to the brink of moral and financial ruin.
This has happened many times in history, and Paul warns
us of the inevitable consequences.
We haven't heeded the warning, so we will pay
the price. We and our children.

ROMANS 1
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to UNCLEANNESS through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto VILE AFFECTIONS: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a REPROBATE MIND, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are WORTHY OF DEATH, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Bingo. This is not a matter of judging, but about being against what God is against, period.