Serious Question: Why did Benedict 16th REALLY Retire????

Pretty please?

If I had to bet, he was forced out, someone had documentation that he PERSONALLY hid sick bastard priests and sent them to other cities and thus could be prosecuted in some countries (the United States - UK) for obstruction of justice or aiding and abetting.

He did note that being Pope required "travel" and if their was an arrest warrant out for him, he certainly couldn't travel.

So, with THAT type of indicting information, a group of cardinals from Latin America/Africa/Asia approached the Euro-American ones and said "he must go and we get to elect who we want."

Make sense?

he was given 2 options. He could stay in the position but would become a pawn to a higher power. He would never speak of it or he would be removed. Or he could choose to leave, an act never done before, not once in history, and his predecessor would become the face man. It didn't really matter what he did.

he chose the easy way out. Rather than agree to their demands and then publicly expose them to the world at the cost of his life, he chose the cowards way.

it's good Jesus didn't chose the cowards way out.

That makes good sense and I appreciate the response.

Who gave him the options, who is the power behind the thrown? The poor countries? The Jesuits?

What is the move being made? What agenda needs to be changed?

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The real reason he has quit is far more spectacular.

It is to save the Catholic Church from ignominy: he has voluntarily delivered himself up as a sacrificial lamb to purge the Church of what he calls ‘The Filth’. And it must have taken courage.

Here is the remarkable thing you are seldom told about a papal death or resignation: every one of the senior office-holders in the Vatican – those at the highest level of its internal bureaucracy, called the Curia – loses his job.

A report Benedict himself commissioned into the state of the Curia landed on his desk in January. It revealed that ‘The Filth’ – or more specifically, the paedophile priest scandal – had entered the bureaucracy.

He resigned in early February. That report was a final straw. The Filth has been corroding the soul of the Catholic Church for years, and the reason is the power-grabbing ineptitude and secrecy of the Curia – which failed to deal with the perpetrators. Now the Curia itself stands accused of being part of The Filth.

Benedict realises the Curia must be reformed root and branch. He knows this is a mammoth task.

He is too old, and too implicated, to clean it up himself. He has resigned to make way for a younger, more dynamic successor, untainted by scandal – and a similarly recast Curia.

Benedict was not prepared to wait for his own death to sweep out the gang who run the place.

In one extraordinary gesture, by resigning, he gets rid of the lot of them

i dont buy that whole "he was too old" crap. look at john paul II. there is something very sinister to his resignation

agreed, couple that with the one guy aboves post about people surrounding benedict having demands, its sounds like there are wolves in sheeps clothing at the highest levels, who are planning to dismantle the church and transform it into a new world church, ushering in the antichrist. just my scoop.

This is fascinating and does ring true with some of the morsels that did fall out to the regular media.


I had heard that the "report" handed him showed that various upper echelon cardinals (curaria) were involved in homosexual parties at various "clubs" in Rome - correct? I had NOT heard that the real fiflth - the child abuse hit that high.

Unlike many here, I have no problem with an adult freely excercising his/her sexuality with other adults but in THIS case - where the church has been so militant about gay sex as a mortal sin, it would sure look bad if the top executives were not practicing what they preached and left open to blackmail. If it showed child abuse too, well - you are right, nothing less than the future of the church was at stake.

OK. Under your scenario, if it is the true story, yes, indeed, he does look brave and self-less in forcing the Curia to fold now and be built anew.

I appreciate your post very much, I think that this is all worth serious discussion.

You do not think that there is a chance that some powerful lobby of the college had information that would damage the church generally and/or Benedict personlly and threatened to release that info if he did not step down and submit to their blackmail - - - with stolen files by a butler, it just seems impossible to rule out blackmail.

Bump for others to respond to great new post.

He read the last secret from Fatima

The time had arrived, the Anti-Christ demanded the Catholic Church fulfill its end of the bargain, Pope Bendict did not accept this and was not willing to lose his soul so he decided to retire. In his place came this new Pope who is obviously willing to do the bidding of the Anti-Christ. Seriously, he is wierd as fuck, washing the feet of 12 prisoners, doing all this BS to supposedly be humble. Anytime there is such a grave contradiction, u best believe the Anti-Christ has his tentacles all over it. The Pope is supposed to be a Pope.

I can't go so far as the anti-christ being ushered in (based on what little I know now) but I certainly can see drastic changes sought to be ushered in, which some will say is akin to preparing the way for the anti-christ.

I am asking this, respectfully and not disparagingly (isn't it sad we have to put those caveats in when speaking among one another - so much cross animosity against other posters here) asking b/c I want to hear your opinion and consider it for myself - - if there IS a block of carninals that want to transform the church and dismantle parts of it, isn't there a possibility that they are urging GOOD changes and not those associated with the "anti-Christ?"

Perhaps it is time to change the church into a more humble, service oriented organization, time for the church "princes" (the bishops) to live less as princes and more as humble servants - - - it is possible that THESE are the types of changes that they are trying to initiate?

I would like to know where you're getting your information. Because i agree. What say You?

Please tell me more about this. I only know the cliff notes version.

Ratz was knee deep in the withholding of it - - if it terrified him so, why did he accept the papacy when elected? They all have the right to decline.

I know that the common thinking is that the 3rd secret portends tremendous upheavel and martrydom among the hiearchy - - again, he had to know this going in.

I am very open to hearing more about your theory. This site is at its best when we educate each other by sharing experience from our background.

We are at our worst when we act like insecure adolescents who viciously strike out at any who thinks differently with using language most abandoned in Junior high.

Tell me more about what you have come to understand the meaning of the Fatima message, thanks for your interest.

What was the bargain that the catholic church had to fulfill? I am not challenging, I am trying to understand your point better.

You say the new Pope is weird - - he washed the feet of prisoners, that seems like it could be simply a self-absorbed imitation of Jesus. Correct me if I am wrong, but don't Cardinals and Popes often wash the feet of "others" during holy weel to imitate Christ? That isn't enough "weird" evidence to me - but I don't know a ton about this. I grew up catholic and hated the ritualistic aspect of it, not enough focus on solving what was happening in the lives of the commoners there are church.

In terms of weird, I still think that Ratz has this new guy beat, but part of why I wrote this is to learn more about it. Thanks for your response and I look forward to your answers - especially about the bargain that Benedict refused to accept.

Time is running out, the Final Battle will happen soon...This is most evident in the situation of Syria and the interest of the world in it while many other countries have conflicts too, it is important geographically as it is close to the Holy Land of Jersualem and also withing striking distance of Mecca. The Anti-Christ agents or the Royal Families that swore allegiance to him in return for riches and power, most notably the Gulf Arab States are not hiding it anymore, they are going all out, Saudi and Qatar most importantly, although some have refrained because they do not wish to or never made a binding pact in the first place, I have no solid info on this but I believe Kuwait has chosen not to become a slave to the anti-christ.

I cannot tell you with certainty everything what I know or believe to be true is %100 correct, I simply analyze and try to interpret the signs being given by the angels and demons. I have conditioned my self to be aware of subtle things that have a far greater meaning. We are all part of the game, each side gives out signs to try and influence their human followers as there is no direct communication between spiritual world and physical world. You should start off in simple terms, with left and right, left being evil. Just notice people's mannerisms and if they get uncomfortable around you or someone who looks like he is a true believer and will refuse the tricks of the anti-christ.

OP the pact is always for wealth and power...the idiots will be satisfied with wealth alone, the Catholic Church made a tremendous claim for power, Im not sure the anti-christ can abandon them or them him.

so the new pope....what say you? The False Prophet? its been said that multitudes of people will think the false prophet is a saint. Already, many many people, catholics and non catholics, are jumping on the bandwagon, praising this pope, admiring his "humility". Could it be a false humility? a deception? I'm catholic.

Where is poster AC220 from the pope prediction thread? He seemed to have inside info.

I see. You are certainly right to put your finger on the two prongs, I am less concerned about the wealth - that seems to bring its own misery upon those that live for it.

The power on the other hand - - in what entity do you see the anti-chirst arising from? The immoral power brokers in the Vatican? The Elite that have always sought to control church affairs from the outside? A single person, set deep inside the Vatican who will rise up b/c of the powergrab? Francis I himself?

I hate to monopolize your time, I just am fascinated with your answers, this is glp at its best, members teaching members. If you are tired or something, I understand - - I just love learning outside the normal channels and hearing other's insights is invigorating.

Peace, and thanks ahead of time for any more input you might have.

The false prophet, anti-christ, will not reveal himself until the Final Battle begins. He is not even in physical form currently, if he manifests into physical form he will be bound and limited in what he can do, so he controls his minions to best prepare the world for his return. He knows what will happen if he is defeated, so do his top Human allies...He cannot forsake them nor can they, that is why they are going crazy and all out at this critical moment...The Qataris, always small country of shit and non-existent throughout human history, is now the most vocal and powerful player in the Arab League... That is just one example, that is what we know, what is going on behind the scenes we do not know, but I tell you this, if Syria falls so will the world.

I was raised catholic also - - but was driven away by the ritualistic, hierachical and disjointed nature of the top-down approach.

I am with you about questioning the "humility" - - it seems to me that "real" humility is not something that gets shoved into people's faces in the first 48 hrs of his election, humility is demonstrated day to day, beginning anew each day and not something ammenable to "stories" about past acts. It did seem contrived.

The false prophet and the antichrist are two separate individuals

Not tonight, I have asked too much already, but sometime soon I would love to hear the basis of your belief that Syria holds such an important role.

I know a little more about what has led Qatar's secular rise. Unlike many of its next door neighbors, Qatar doesn't have sufficient oil reserves that allow them to ignore the rest of the world and set their own course (yes, they have oil, but not like Saudi-Bahrain - Iran - Iraq, so they chose to become a power by getting into bed with the Americans. They allowed the CentCom theatre command to be built there, which also guaranteed them favorable trade, tax and gov. contracts through the US, which allowed all of which allowed them to build a huge, vibrant economy that was not built solely upon oil.

That is what I know about Qatar - - I realize that is the "wiki" version, but would like to hear how that fits into your anti-christ scenario.

Human pawns such as supposedly powerful elite who think they control the world are simply deluded and the anti-christ got them for cheap. Now as for the Jews/Catholic Church/Sunni Royals, they seem to be split, all I know is the Jews will not make a pact with the anti-christ unless they get guarantees and there is great gain in it for them.

You also have to consider that Satan is a different entity and does not control the anti-christ, there are quite a few players in this game. That is why someone like the Jews might make some alliance with the anti-christ to protect themselves from Satan. I only know that the State of Israel or zionists or some group of Jews have decided to create their own faction and not ally with any religious entity.

The thing is, as long as you are a player in this game and did not sign off your soul to someone, you have a chance. I believe there are many minor players and as the time approaches they will be sacrificed first, I will not be surprised when the downfall of some powerful men (on this earth only) begins.

I am still awaiting to see exactly where the Europeans stand in all of this, I am still putting the pieces of the puzzle together, since I get no feedback or confirmation of what is true and what is false, it is quite difficult. But soon in the next 2 years max it will all start to unravel.

Just watch the signs.

Last Edited by GuidedOne on 03/26/2013 10:55 PM

No way....... there is absolutely no way that a special commission convened by Benedict told him something that he and every other person in the "know" in the Vatican and prob around the world didnt already know.....that the Vactican is infested with sexual filth

it has been common knowledge that this city , the Vatican is infested with sexual immorality .... it's been that way since the Borgias and before

the Truth is that it has always been this way and the "true " church of God never would of descended into the depths of sin that the RCC did

The resignation of Benedict has nothing to do with humility or the supposed " cleaning up of the church"

Is has everything to do with misdirection and putting themselves in position to be a major world player in the upcoming upheaval the world is about to face ...especially financially and "spiritually " ......and what better man the Pope Francis .... he's already gained world wide respect for his desire to help people in need finically


in 2011 Cardinal Peter Turkson wrote an official Vatican paper calling for the establishment of a new World Bank to help nations that were going through recession and depression ...... the paper said that in return for finicail help that the lendee would prob have to give up some sovereignty ...

This all has to do with the coming Ecoonomic collaspe of world governments ....the establishing of a new economic system for the world and a more organized,fully ecuminalized religious world order with the Pope leading the way

The Antichrist , Beast , Whore of Babylon system

Last Edited by Simple_Man on 03/26/2013 10:54 PM

'Cause prophecy is self-fulfilling.

how can we get "god" to end this and retire them all at once?