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Actuaries' study predicts Obamacare to increase claims costs by 32 percent

 
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If only someone could have seen this coming!!!!

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No shit, anyone with a business mind could tell you what happens when you stick the GOV in the middle of anything.
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Do you think these liberal retards are going to care?
Hell no, they don't pay for shit.. they rely on rich, job creating conservatives to pay for it all.
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Fat rich conservatives don't pay anything, what they don't write down on their taxes they cheat from paying taxes on.
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Be careful your ignorance is showing.
Conservatism has nothing to do with it. There are just as many "rich fat" Liberals as there are conservatives. Hell all of Hollywood is rich fat liberals
Other than Texas the richest states in the country are all liberal.
Fraud and corruption know no political boundaries, all of Washington is proof of that.
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I just got my notice from my health insurance provider...another 16% premium increase this year, and I've had this policy for over seven years and never met my deductible...

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Putting the government in charge of healthcare is asinine.
The government says whether you get coverage or not
The government says if your operation is covered or not
The government says what you will pay for your operation
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:ogotcha:
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From all indication; Obama Care was and is being created by the new world order illuminuti bankers; who own and rule Obama; for 2 important reasons. One is to make sure that the nations people are more deprived of their survival and to bring us down economically. And to eventually insert their mark of the beast chip which talks about implantables in the 1500 page Obama Care.

But still, the Almighty God and Creator of Heaven and Earth will have them all spitting out fire and brimstone, after the great judgment day. As they will be forever screaming and agonizing in the worst possible tormenting's imaginable!!
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Claims are already increasing, a simple office visit just cost me $335.00. This used to be a $ 20 co-pay, I would say that's more than a 32% increase...
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Healthcare is already a disaster. I saw a doctor recently and he was trying to kick me out from the get go. I was treated like a fast food customer.. The quicker they can get me out the door the more money they make per patient. He didn't even resolve my minor health issue. I'm going to leave so many scathing reviews that I want them to lose tons of customers over me.
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Being a doc myself, the answer is yes you are a fast food customer, due to the high cost of overhead and diminishing insurance reimbursements since the late 90's we have to see 3-4 times as many patients to break even (my particular field is even worse because we dont have alot of billable codes to use per daily patient visit so we are hurt even harder), so you get seen quickly if we catch something major you are luckily passed to the next provider in a round robin fashion in the hopes they will nail it down. Individual private practices are at huge risk so you are milled through like cattle to ensure we dont lose our entire world through bankruptcy. Sorry but that is what insurance carriers have done to this profession that used to be based on trade and a handshake in the 1800's. I hate it so very very very much, but my student loans, practice loans, and necessity to provide employment to my staff take precedent if it didnt you wouldnt even have offices to visit. Word to the wise we are fucked way beyond repair.
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Unemployment is on the rise as well - living wage jobs are important. Obamacare is forcing many employers to only hire part time so as not to provide the every costly healthcare benefits.
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no no, any health care cost just get written off their taxes. More cost more wright down.
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Proof that the Obama lovers don't understand basic economics.
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I am not fond of the big black cock in my ass.

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If you think you are taking it in the shorts now, YOU JUST WAIT!
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this free health care will turn into the most expensive healthcare on the planet.
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This is what happens when you stop corporate subsidize, they charge more, the corporation just charge more. But your taxes are going down more then the corporation are allowed to raise their rates, 20% max.
But they will be using the would be lower tax money to pay down the debt of the wars and bank ripoffs.
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You have got to be a Obamabot paid shill
Everything you have said in this thread is false
Nobody's Taxes are going down. Everyone's Taxes are going up. There are over 20 new taxes and fees in obamacare EVERYONE is going to pay more either directly or indirectly.
Every cost associated with healthcare is going up
Quality of services are going to drop

Being a Obamabot makes you a despicable traitor to this country
Go away
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You seem to have forgot the Bush Tax Cut expired and the working tax payers tax did go roll back, there is the health care increase rebate.
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If you think you are taking it in the shorts now, YOU JUST WAIT!
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Ayup.......their plan is to make life miserable so you'll agree to Agenda 21 and the chip. Hunger will do that to a person.
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this free health care will turn into the most expensive healthcare on the planet.
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You taxes go down and your heath care goes up. What do you want to have happen?
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Actuaries can go to hell. The only thing they are trained to do is to turn human beings into commodities that they squeeze every possible cent from. The whole health care system in the United States is corrupt. Obamacare will only make it worse.
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Missing in the arguments of health care and what should have been done with it is the fact that health care , in the past, had never been a 'for profit' practice. Get the insurance companies out of it period and the administrations within the system and return it to associations of practioners to deal with. That cuts out so much useless fat in the system and makes for competitive service. You lose the "red tape" end of it which consumes so many of the dollars.

We tax payers subsidize the pharmeceutical industry and in exchange for that 'they' should contribute to reducing the costs of educating our doctors and nurses and add more to the health care industry.

We could stimulate more self funded groups of insurance like subsidizing it as well.
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Actuaries can go to hell. The only thing they are trained to do is to turn human beings into commodities that they squeeze every possible cent from. The whole health care system in the United States is corrupt. Obamacare will only make it worse.
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no, now see that's where you're wrong.
Revenue will go up, when hospitals start paying taxes, what should the tax be on a $50 aspirin pill? and the debt level start to drop.
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everything he touches, every idea...... turns to shit
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that is one major reason why taxes are high up here. Healthcare for the masses is a bith. We pay through taxes. You will through your ins premiums. So everyone can have access to some kind of care. Welcome to socialism.
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this free health care will turn into the most expensive healthcare on the planet.
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You taxes go down and your heath care goes up. What do you want to have happen?
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for you to wake up for starters.....
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that is one major reason why taxes are high up here. Healthcare for the masses is a bith. We pay through taxes. You will through your ins premiums. So everyone can have access to some kind of care. Welcome to socialism.
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oh like with capitalism you don't have to pay for heath care because the rich can write the cost off their taxes.
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that is one major reason why taxes are high up here. Healthcare for the masses is a bith. We pay through taxes. You will through your ins premiums. So everyone can have access to some kind of care. Welcome to socialism.
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oh like with capitalism you don't have to pay for heath care because the rich can write the cost off their taxes.
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You. Are. So. Stupid.

The cyber warriors' hiring standards have hit rock bottom, apparently.
I don't know where you get your delusions, laser brain.
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Double post

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I don't know where you get your delusions, laser brain.
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that is one major reason why taxes are high up here. Healthcare for the masses is a bith. We pay through taxes. You will through your ins premiums. So everyone can have access to some kind of care. Welcome to socialism.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36835398


oh like with capitalism you don't have to pay for heath care because the rich can write the cost off their taxes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1352351


No, with capitalism, you pay for what you want. And can afford. With socialism everybody gets vanalla, regardless of what they can afford.
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Healthcare is already a disaster. I saw a doctor recently and he was trying to kick me out from the get go. I was treated like a fast food customer.. The quicker they can get me out the door the more money they make per patient. He didn't even resolve my minor health issue. I'm going to leave so many scathing reviews that I want them to lose tons of customers over me.
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Being a doc myself, the answer is yes you are a fast food customer, due to the high cost of overhead and diminishing insurance reimbursements since the late 90's we have to see 3-4 times as many patients to break even (my particular field is even worse because we dont have alot of billable codes to use per daily patient visit so we are hurt even harder), so you get seen quickly if we catch something major you are luckily passed to the next provider in a round robin fashion in the hopes they will nail it down. Individual private practices are at huge risk so you are milled through like cattle to ensure we dont lose our entire world through bankruptcy. Sorry but that is what insurance carriers have done to this profession that used to be based on trade and a handshake in the 1800's. I hate it so very very very much, but my student loans, practice loans, and necessity to provide employment to my staff take precedent if it didnt you wouldnt even have offices to visit. Word to the wise we are fucked way beyond repair.
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^ This aligns with every medical professional I know ^
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And everyone I know as well, not a single one is proud of it, they go to work with a demoralized look of worry for the future but keep plugging away because they are locked on a death spiral they cannot get off of especially the new generations of graduates.

If I had to do it over, I would have just returned to being a janitor (my favorite job I ever did in life). Or opened a dance studio to teach people how to get down and be funky for a living. Worst mistake of my life, but occasionally I do see some life changing results and feel good, ohhh but then comes the billing of the patient for that little miracle, then I go back to being sad again.
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Healthcare is already a disaster. I saw a doctor recently and he was trying to kick me out from the get go. I was treated like a fast food customer.. The quicker they can get me out the door the more money they make per patient. He didn't even resolve my minor health issue. I'm going to leave so many scathing reviews that I want them to lose tons of customers over me.
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Being a doc myself, the answer is yes you are a fast food customer, due to the high cost of overhead and diminishing insurance reimbursements since the late 90's we have to see 3-4 times as many patients to break even (my particular field is even worse because we dont have alot of billable codes to use per daily patient visit so we are hurt even harder), so you get seen quickly if we catch something major you are luckily passed to the next provider in a round robin fashion in the hopes they will nail it down. Individual private practices are at huge risk so you are milled through like cattle to ensure we dont lose our entire world through bankruptcy. Sorry but that is what insurance carriers have done to this profession that used to be based on trade and a handshake in the 1800's. I hate it so very very very much, but my student loans, practice loans, and necessity to provide employment to my staff take precedent if it didnt you wouldnt even have offices to visit. Word to the wise we are fucked way beyond repair.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36548408


^ This aligns with every medical professional I know ^
 Quoting: The Comedian



And everyone I know as well, not a single one is proud of it, they go to work with a demoralized look of worry for the future but keep plugging away because they are locked on a death spiral they cannot get off of especially the new generations of graduates.

If I had to do it over, I would have just returned to being a janitor (my favorite job I ever did in life). Or opened a dance studio to teach people how to get down and be funky for a living. Worst mistake of my life, but occasionally I do see some life changing results and feel good, ohhh but then comes the billing of the patient for that little miracle, then I go back to being sad again.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36548408



However back to the original poster who was quoted, leaving a scathing review of a doctor who cant resolve your minor health issue does not hurt them one iota. Your health is your responsibility, not theirs, they are placing band aids on the guaranteed fact you will detoriate and die. They toe a daily line between good care and malpractice with every decision. I hear plenty of complaints from patients about horrible decisions made on their behalf, I have made a few of my own. You cannot hit home runs daily, alot of foul tips in this game. Some do well others get buy, and plenty are quacks. Plus in this society their a million sick folks just like you who will take your place, negative comments used to bother us, then we stopped giving a shit and realized this is survival society time not do an amazing job 100 percent of the time. The population of docs are overworked, manipulated for disability and handicap parking benefits by patients, scammed for personal injury and workers comp claims by faking patients, manipulated for pain killers to suit patients addictions. We are lucky if we get appreciative patients who dont treat us like a server at Denny's. So it is a snake eating its own tail. We do what we have to do to survive, maintain an income, not risk or licences, and not burn out within 5 years of practice.

Communicate with your provider let them know in a nice genuine tone your issues, we tend to shut down when we get the first whiff of discontent. We didnt go to school for 8 years with 200 grand in professional debt to put sprinkles on your ice cream for you.
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Re: Actuaries' study predicts Obamacare to increase claims costs by 32 percent
One of the nation's premier experts in numbers has a tough diagnosis for President Barack Obama's health care law.

In a report that could prove a big political headache for the administration, the Society of Actuaries estimated Tuesday that insurers will have to pay out an average of 32 percent more for claims on individual health policies under the Affordable Care Act, a cost likely to be passed on to consumers.


[link to www.washingtonguardian.com]

[link to cdn-files.soa.org]

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You're confusing the low information voters...they don't know what a percent is.
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that is one major reason why taxes are high up here. Healthcare for the masses is a bith. We pay through taxes. You will through your ins premiums. So everyone can have access to some kind of care. Welcome to socialism.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36835398


oh like with capitalism you don't have to pay for heath care because the rich can write the cost off their taxes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1352351


No, with capitalism, you pay for what you want. And can afford. With socialism everybody gets vanalla, regardless of what they can afford.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36835398


I don't know anybody personally that can afford to cash for health care.

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