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Why do Jehovah's Witnesses continue to preach door to door and in other ways? And what do you think of them?

 
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I stand in judgment of no man. However, OP claims to be a JW and the Society is very clear about not being on one of these sites. You also cannot count this as "time" for field service reports.

So again, my question. Why is the OP on a "worldly" site, in direct contradiction of the Society's command?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15798293

quit being a hall monitor, such a thing is not "forbidden"
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Really? So you all would not mind having your local Elders and Circuit Overseer know you are posting here and what this site is?
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Why would he? Unlike there, he can be who he wants to be here. They don't have to know he's:

Beachbums

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He's just innocent little AC 37423614
defending JW's. lmao
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(in this case..."he is a she" or a "he-she"?)- ha!
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Funny how jdubs conveniently ignore posting and beliefs from their founder, and have no clue how it was a business wherein he bought the shares from his father and a millerite because he thought money could be made...
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Jesus Is the "founder" and sorry....he made no money at preaching
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Funny how jdubs conveniently ignore posting and beliefs from their founder, and have no clue how it was a business wherein he bought the shares from his father and a millerite because he thought money could be made...
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Jesus Is the "founder" and sorry....he made no money at preaching
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"God, who long ago spoke on many occasions and in many ways to our forefathers by means of the prophets, 2 has at the end of these days spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things. 3 He is the reflection of [his] glory and the exact representation of his very being, and he sustains all things by the word of his power; and after he had made a purification for our sins he sat down on the right hand of the Majesty in lofty places. 4 So he has become better than the angels, to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs." He1:1

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quit being a hall monitor, such a thing is not "forbidden"
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Really? So you all would not mind having your local Elders and Circuit Overseer know you are posting here and what this site is?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15798293


Nope......what is there to hide?
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


What is there to hide?

THIS..your own LIES!

1992 "Today, a small percentage of mankind can still recall the dramatic events of 1914. Will that elderly generation pass away before God saves the earth from ruin? Not according to Bible prophecy. 'When you see all these things,' Jesus PROMISED, 'know that he is near at the doors. Truly I say to you that THIS generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.' - Matthew 24:33, 34." (Watchtower May 1, 1992 page 3: The Year That Shocked The World)

Well..that generation is dead and once again the governing body is in error as usual.

1993 (The society's latest 'History' book - "Jehovah's Witnesses, Proclaimers of God's Kingdom", 1993) [Note: At the end of this book there is a chronological section called 'Notable Dates'. The predictions for 1925 and 1975 don't even get a mention! Talk about rewriting history to gullible young converts!]

1993 "Further, the widely circulated booklet Millions Now Living Will Never Die presented the view that in 1925, God's purposes regarding the restoring of the earth to Paradise and the resurrecting of the faithful ones of old would begin to be fulfilled. ... The year 1925 came to its conclusion, but the end was not yet! Ever since the 1870's, Bible Students had been serving with a date in mind - first 1914, then 1925. Now they realized that they must serve for as long as Jehovah wishes." (Watchtower; Nov. 1, 1993; p. 12)

Yep..keep BUYING the lie for as long as the governing body is making MONEY from you in other words.

1995 [Discussing the generation of Mt 24] "apparently refers to the peoples of earth (now) who see the sign of Christ presence but fail to mend their ways." (Watchtower November 1, 1995 p.12)

More fail

1995 Bible Students, known since 1931 as Jehovah's Witnesses, also expected that the year 1925 would see the fulfillment of marvelous Bible prophecies. ... More recently, many Witnesses conjectured that events associated with the beginning of Christ's Millennial Reign might start to take place in 1975. Their anticipation was based on the understanding that the seventh millennium of human history would begin then. (Awake, June 22, 1995 p. 9)

Dont shoot the messenger...these are your OWN PUBLICATIONS..ive seen them with my own eyes too.

1995 "Why Awake is Published" [before Nov 8th 1995] Most important, this magazine builds confidence in the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away." [After Nov. 8 1995 reference to '1914 generation' deleted] "Most important, this magazine builds confidence in the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure world that is about to replace the present wicked, lawless system of things."

See..they re write it to suit their current "Light"..in other words..they mess up..and have to cover their tracks..and you fools keep buying it anf buying it.

SO..are you going to delete this from the thread..for fear of your OWN "TRUTH" being exposed for the LIE it actually is?
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Nope....not going to delete.....


Soooo.....what is your hope for the future? and what hope do you have to share with us all?
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Really? So you all would not mind having your local Elders and Circuit Overseer know you are posting here and what this site is?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15798293


Nope......what is there to hide?
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


What is there to hide?

THIS..your own LIES!

1992 "Today, a small percentage of mankind can still recall the dramatic events of 1914. Will that elderly generation pass away before God saves the earth from ruin? Not according to Bible prophecy. 'When you see all these things,' Jesus PROMISED, 'know that he is near at the doors. Truly I say to you that THIS generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.' - Matthew 24:33, 34." (Watchtower May 1, 1992 page 3: The Year That Shocked The World)

Well..that generation is dead and once again the governing body is in error as usual.

1993 (The society's latest 'History' book - "Jehovah's Witnesses, Proclaimers of God's Kingdom", 1993) [Note: At the end of this book there is a chronological section called 'Notable Dates'. The predictions for 1925 and 1975 don't even get a mention! Talk about rewriting history to gullible young converts!]

1993 "Further, the widely circulated booklet Millions Now Living Will Never Die presented the view that in 1925, God's purposes regarding the restoring of the earth to Paradise and the resurrecting of the faithful ones of old would begin to be fulfilled. ... The year 1925 came to its conclusion, but the end was not yet! Ever since the 1870's, Bible Students had been serving with a date in mind - first 1914, then 1925. Now they realized that they must serve for as long as Jehovah wishes." (Watchtower; Nov. 1, 1993; p. 12)

Yep..keep BUYING the lie for as long as the governing body is making MONEY from you in other words.

1995 [Discussing the generation of Mt 24] "apparently refers to the peoples of earth (now) who see the sign of Christ presence but fail to mend their ways." (Watchtower November 1, 1995 p.12)

More fail

1995 Bible Students, known since 1931 as Jehovah's Witnesses, also expected that the year 1925 would see the fulfillment of marvelous Bible prophecies. ... More recently, many Witnesses conjectured that events associated with the beginning of Christ's Millennial Reign might start to take place in 1975. Their anticipation was based on the understanding that the seventh millennium of human history would begin then. (Awake, June 22, 1995 p. 9)

Dont shoot the messenger...these are your OWN PUBLICATIONS..ive seen them with my own eyes too.

1995 "Why Awake is Published" [before Nov 8th 1995] Most important, this magazine builds confidence in the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away." [After Nov. 8 1995 reference to '1914 generation' deleted] "Most important, this magazine builds confidence in the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure world that is about to replace the present wicked, lawless system of things."

See..they re write it to suit their current "Light"..in other words..they mess up..and have to cover their tracks..and you fools keep buying it anf buying it.

SO..are you going to delete this from the thread..for fear of your OWN "TRUTH" being exposed for the LIE it actually is?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16418289


Nope....not going to delete.....


Soooo.....what is your hope for the future? and what hope do you have to share with us all?
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Well..I am HOPING to share a civilised discussion with a real live JW as to WHY you wont answer any of my posts about your own past failed predictions.

But so far none of you have the courage to face the writings of your own governing body to explain WHY they have been wrong again and again for 100 years straight.

I get the same stony silence from the rapture set.

Years and years of faisl..based basically around the same set of mumbers and scriptures you guys use but still ALWAYS wrong.

The only difference between you guys and the rapture tards is you guys dont curse and swear when confronted with your own failures. You guys just ignore them...which in its own way is slightly more annoying, in the sense that ANY response is better than NO response..even if it is proving themselves to be the ultimate hypocrites when it comes to showing "fruit"


but still..id like just ONCE to have an intelligent discussion.

You guys seem intelligent..DGNs anti evolution threads are great..but can you guys PLEASE be open minded enough to at least FACE some of the things you have gotten wrong?

Ya know..humility IS a fruit as well..lets see if you have enough to admit you MAY have been wrong a few times.

Well..your governing body has been anyway..THEY are the ones who write your magazines.

If the error is anyones..its theirs.
DGN
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Nope......what is there to hide?
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


What is there to hide?

THIS..your own LIES!

1992 "Today, a small percentage of mankind can still recall the dramatic events of 1914. Will that elderly generation pass away before God saves the earth from ruin? Not according to Bible prophecy. 'When you see all these things,' Jesus PROMISED, 'know that he is near at the doors. Truly I say to you that THIS generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.' - Matthew 24:33, 34." (Watchtower May 1, 1992 page 3: The Year That Shocked The World)

Well..that generation is dead and once again the governing body is in error as usual.

1993 (The society's latest 'History' book - "Jehovah's Witnesses, Proclaimers of God's Kingdom", 1993) [Note: At the end of this book there is a chronological section called 'Notable Dates'. The predictions for 1925 and 1975 don't even get a mention! Talk about rewriting history to gullible young converts!]

1993 "Further, the widely circulated booklet Millions Now Living Will Never Die presented the view that in 1925, God's purposes regarding the restoring of the earth to Paradise and the resurrecting of the faithful ones of old would begin to be fulfilled. ... The year 1925 came to its conclusion, but the end was not yet! Ever since the 1870's, Bible Students had been serving with a date in mind - first 1914, then 1925. Now they realized that they must serve for as long as Jehovah wishes." (Watchtower; Nov. 1, 1993; p. 12)

Yep..keep BUYING the lie for as long as the governing body is making MONEY from you in other words.

1995 [Discussing the generation of Mt 24] "apparently refers to the peoples of earth (now) who see the sign of Christ presence but fail to mend their ways." (Watchtower November 1, 1995 p.12)

More fail

1995 Bible Students, known since 1931 as Jehovah's Witnesses, also expected that the year 1925 would see the fulfillment of marvelous Bible prophecies. ... More recently, many Witnesses conjectured that events associated with the beginning of Christ's Millennial Reign might start to take place in 1975. Their anticipation was based on the understanding that the seventh millennium of human history would begin then. (Awake, June 22, 1995 p. 9)

Dont shoot the messenger...these are your OWN PUBLICATIONS..ive seen them with my own eyes too.

1995 "Why Awake is Published" [before Nov 8th 1995] Most important, this magazine builds confidence in the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away." [After Nov. 8 1995 reference to '1914 generation' deleted] "Most important, this magazine builds confidence in the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure world that is about to replace the present wicked, lawless system of things."

See..they re write it to suit their current "Light"..in other words..they mess up..and have to cover their tracks..and you fools keep buying it anf buying it.

SO..are you going to delete this from the thread..for fear of your OWN "TRUTH" being exposed for the LIE it actually is?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16418289


Nope....not going to delete.....


Soooo.....what is your hope for the future? and what hope do you have to share with us all?
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Well..I am HOPING to share a civilised discussion with a real live JW as to WHY you wont answer any of my posts about your own past failed predictions.

But so far none of you have the courage to face the writings of your own governing body to explain WHY they have been wrong again and again for 100 years straight.

I get the same stony silence from the rapture set.

Years and years of faisl..based basically around the same set of mumbers and scriptures you guys use but still ALWAYS wrong.

The only difference between you guys and the rapture tards is you guys dont curse and swear when confronted with your own failures. You guys just ignore them...which in its own way is slightly more annoying, in the sense that ANY response is better than NO response..even if it is proving themselves to be the ultimate hypocrites when it comes to showing "fruit"


but still..id like just ONCE to have an intelligent discussion.

You guys seem intelligent..DGNs anti evolution threads are great..but can you guys PLEASE be open minded enough to at least FACE some of the things you have gotten wrong?

Ya know..humility IS a fruit as well..lets see if you have enough to admit you MAY have been wrong a few times.

Well..your governing body has been anyway..THEY are the ones who write your magazines.

If the error is anyones..its theirs.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16418289


" So the disciples came up and said to him: “Why is it you speak to them by the use of illustrations?” 11 In reply he said: “To YOU it is granted to understand the sacred secrets of the kingdom of the heavens, but to those people it is not granted. 12 For whoever has, more will be given him and he will be made to abound; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 13 This is why I speak to them by the use of illustrations, because, looking, they look in vain, and hearing, they hear in vain, neither do they get the sense of it; 14 and toward them the prophecy of Isaiah is having fulfillment, which says, ‘By hearing, YOU will hear but by no means get the sense of it; and, looking, YOU will look but by no means see. 15 For the heart of this people has grown unreceptive, and with their ears they have heard without response, and they have shut their eyes; that they might never see with their eyes and hear with their ears and get the sense of it with their hearts and turn back, and I heal them.’ Mt13;10

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Nope......what is there to hide?
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


What is there to hide?

THIS..your own LIES!

1992 "Today, a small percentage of mankind can still recall the dramatic events of 1914. Will that elderly generation pass away before God saves the earth from ruin? Not according to Bible prophecy. 'When you see all these things,' Jesus PROMISED, 'know that he is near at the doors. Truly I say to you that THIS generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.' - Matthew 24:33, 34." (Watchtower May 1, 1992 page 3: The Year That Shocked The World)

Well..that generation is dead and once again the governing body is in error as usual.

1993 (The society's latest 'History' book - "Jehovah's Witnesses, Proclaimers of God's Kingdom", 1993) [Note: At the end of this book there is a chronological section called 'Notable Dates'. The predictions for 1925 and 1975 don't even get a mention! Talk about rewriting history to gullible young converts!]

1993 "Further, the widely circulated booklet Millions Now Living Will Never Die presented the view that in 1925, God's purposes regarding the restoring of the earth to Paradise and the resurrecting of the faithful ones of old would begin to be fulfilled. ... The year 1925 came to its conclusion, but the end was not yet! Ever since the 1870's, Bible Students had been serving with a date in mind - first 1914, then 1925. Now they realized that they must serve for as long as Jehovah wishes." (Watchtower; Nov. 1, 1993; p. 12)

Yep..keep BUYING the lie for as long as the governing body is making MONEY from you in other words.

1995 [Discussing the generation of Mt 24] "apparently refers to the peoples of earth (now) who see the sign of Christ presence but fail to mend their ways." (Watchtower November 1, 1995 p.12)

More fail

1995 Bible Students, known since 1931 as Jehovah's Witnesses, also expected that the year 1925 would see the fulfillment of marvelous Bible prophecies. ... More recently, many Witnesses conjectured that events associated with the beginning of Christ's Millennial Reign might start to take place in 1975. Their anticipation was based on the understanding that the seventh millennium of human history would begin then. (Awake, June 22, 1995 p. 9)

Dont shoot the messenger...these are your OWN PUBLICATIONS..ive seen them with my own eyes too.

1995 "Why Awake is Published" [before Nov 8th 1995] Most important, this magazine builds confidence in the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away." [After Nov. 8 1995 reference to '1914 generation' deleted] "Most important, this magazine builds confidence in the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure world that is about to replace the present wicked, lawless system of things."

See..they re write it to suit their current "Light"..in other words..they mess up..and have to cover their tracks..and you fools keep buying it anf buying it.

SO..are you going to delete this from the thread..for fear of your OWN "TRUTH" being exposed for the LIE it actually is?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16418289


Nope....not going to delete.....


Soooo.....what is your hope for the future? and what hope do you have to share with us all?
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Well..I am HOPING to share a civilised discussion with a real live JW as to WHY you wont answer any of my posts about your own past failed predictions.

But so far none of you have the courage to face the writings of your own governing body to explain WHY they have been wrong again and again for 100 years straight.

I get the same stony silence from the rapture set.

Years and years of faisl..based basically around the same set of mumbers and scriptures you guys use but still ALWAYS wrong.

The only difference between you guys and the rapture tards is you guys dont curse and swear when confronted with your own failures. You guys just ignore them...which in its own way is slightly more annoying, in the sense that ANY response is better than NO response..even if it is proving themselves to be the ultimate hypocrites when it comes to showing "fruit"


but still..id like just ONCE to have an intelligent discussion.

You guys seem intelligent..DGNs anti evolution threads are great..but can you guys PLEASE be open minded enough to at least FACE some of the things you have gotten wrong?

Ya know..humility IS a fruit as well..lets see if you have enough to admit you MAY have been wrong a few times.

Well..your governing body has been anyway..THEY are the ones who write your magazines.

If the error is anyones..its theirs.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16418289


No, it is obvious you have an agenda of hate. JW's have never claimed infallibility, such as the Pope claims. Changes in scriptural understanding is an expected result of imperfect people interpreting scripture. These "bullet points" you continue to throw out there, do not change the Bible's message of God's Kingdom solving mankind's problems, the same Kingdom Jesus spoke of in the Lord's Prayer. Neither has it changed Jehovah's timetable in regards to when Armageddon will come- no man knows, not even Jesus knows the day or hour. My hope of living forever on a Paradise earth is unchanged. I encourage people that have lost loved ones in death by sharing the Bibles hope of the resurrection. I do as the Bereans, and read and examine the scriptures to make sure that what I read is in harmony with the Bible, if it is not, I am sure an adjustment will be made in the future, in the meantime, I expect to be hated and jeered at by some, just as Jesus and the Apostls were. Paul was one of the foremost persecutors of early Christians, and he changes and became a Christian. Was his life easy after that? NO!But h did everything he could for the sake of the good news of God's Kingdom. So take your agenda of hate, and tuck it away- there are thousands of examples of truth I have been shown from the Bible with the aid of humble, good-hearted, kind JW's...
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What is there to hide?

THIS..your own LIES!

1992 "Today, a small percentage of mankind can still recall the dramatic events of 1914. Will that elderly generation pass away before God saves the earth from ruin? Not according to Bible prophecy. 'When you see all these things,' Jesus PROMISED, 'know that he is near at the doors. Truly I say to you that THIS generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.' - Matthew 24:33, 34." (Watchtower May 1, 1992 page 3: The Year That Shocked The World)

Well..that generation is dead and once again the governing body is in error as usual.

1993 (The society's latest 'History' book - "Jehovah's Witnesses, Proclaimers of God's Kingdom", 1993) [Note: At the end of this book there is a chronological section called 'Notable Dates'. The predictions for 1925 and 1975 don't even get a mention! Talk about rewriting history to gullible young converts!]

1993 "Further, the widely circulated booklet Millions Now Living Will Never Die presented the view that in 1925, God's purposes regarding the restoring of the earth to Paradise and the resurrecting of the faithful ones of old would begin to be fulfilled. ... The year 1925 came to its conclusion, but the end was not yet! Ever since the 1870's, Bible Students had been serving with a date in mind - first 1914, then 1925. Now they realized that they must serve for as long as Jehovah wishes." (Watchtower; Nov. 1, 1993; p. 12)

Yep..keep BUYING the lie for as long as the governing body is making MONEY from you in other words.

1995 [Discussing the generation of Mt 24] "apparently refers to the peoples of earth (now) who see the sign of Christ presence but fail to mend their ways." (Watchtower November 1, 1995 p.12)

More fail

1995 Bible Students, known since 1931 as Jehovah's Witnesses, also expected that the year 1925 would see the fulfillment of marvelous Bible prophecies. ... More recently, many Witnesses conjectured that events associated with the beginning of Christ's Millennial Reign might start to take place in 1975. Their anticipation was based on the understanding that the seventh millennium of human history would begin then. (Awake, June 22, 1995 p. 9)

Dont shoot the messenger...these are your OWN PUBLICATIONS..ive seen them with my own eyes too.

1995 "Why Awake is Published" [before Nov 8th 1995] Most important, this magazine builds confidence in the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away." [After Nov. 8 1995 reference to '1914 generation' deleted] "Most important, this magazine builds confidence in the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure world that is about to replace the present wicked, lawless system of things."

See..they re write it to suit their current "Light"..in other words..they mess up..and have to cover their tracks..and you fools keep buying it anf buying it.

SO..are you going to delete this from the thread..for fear of your OWN "TRUTH" being exposed for the LIE it actually is?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16418289


Nope....not going to delete.....


Soooo.....what is your hope for the future? and what hope do you have to share with us all?
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Well..I am HOPING to share a civilised discussion with a real live JW as to WHY you wont answer any of my posts about your own past failed predictions.

But so far none of you have the courage to face the writings of your own governing body to explain WHY they have been wrong again and again for 100 years straight.

I get the same stony silence from the rapture set.

Years and years of faisl..based basically around the same set of mumbers and scriptures you guys use but still ALWAYS wrong.

The only difference between you guys and the rapture tards is you guys dont curse and swear when confronted with your own failures. You guys just ignore them...which in its own way is slightly more annoying, in the sense that ANY response is better than NO response..even if it is proving themselves to be the ultimate hypocrites when it comes to showing "fruit"


but still..id like just ONCE to have an intelligent discussion.

You guys seem intelligent..DGNs anti evolution threads are great..but can you guys PLEASE be open minded enough to at least FACE some of the things you have gotten wrong?

Ya know..humility IS a fruit as well..lets see if you have enough to admit you MAY have been wrong a few times.

Well..your governing body has been anyway..THEY are the ones who write your magazines.

If the error is anyones..its theirs.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16418289


No, it is obvious you have an agenda of hate. JW's have never claimed infallibility, such as the Pope claims. Changes in scriptural understanding is an expected result of imperfect people interpreting scripture. These "bullet points" you continue to throw out there, do not change the Bible's message of God's Kingdom solving mankind's problems, the same Kingdom Jesus spoke of in the Lord's Prayer. Neither has it changed Jehovah's timetable in regards to when Armageddon will come- no man knows, not even Jesus knows the day or hour. My hope of living forever on a Paradise earth is unchanged. I encourage people that have lost loved ones in death by sharing the Bibles hope of the resurrection. I do as the Bereans, and read and examine the scriptures to make sure that what I read is in harmony with the Bible, if it is not, I am sure an adjustment will be made in the future, in the meantime, I expect to be hated and jeered at by some, just as Jesus and the Apostls were. Paul was one of the foremost persecutors of early Christians, and he changes and became a Christian. Was his life easy after that? NO!But h did everything he could for the sake of the good news of God's Kingdom. So take your agenda of hate, and tuck it away- there are thousands of examples of truth I have been shown from the Bible with the aid of humble, good-hearted, kind JW's...
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"As apples of gold in silver carvings is a word spoken at the right time for it." Pr25;11
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What is there to hide?

THIS..your own LIES!

1992 "Today, a small percentage of mankind can still recall the dramatic events of 1914. Will that elderly generation pass away before God saves the earth from ruin? Not according to Bible prophecy. 'When you see all these things,' Jesus PROMISED, 'know that he is near at the doors. Truly I say to you that THIS generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.' - Matthew 24:33, 34." (Watchtower May 1, 1992 page 3: The Year That Shocked The World)

Well..that generation is dead and once again the governing body is in error as usual.

1993 (The society's latest 'History' book - "Jehovah's Witnesses, Proclaimers of God's Kingdom", 1993) [Note: At the end of this book there is a chronological section called 'Notable Dates'. The predictions for 1925 and 1975 don't even get a mention! Talk about rewriting history to gullible young converts!]

1993 "Further, the widely circulated booklet Millions Now Living Will Never Die presented the view that in 1925, God's purposes regarding the restoring of the earth to Paradise and the resurrecting of the faithful ones of old would begin to be fulfilled. ... The year 1925 came to its conclusion, but the end was not yet! Ever since the 1870's, Bible Students had been serving with a date in mind - first 1914, then 1925. Now they realized that they must serve for as long as Jehovah wishes." (Watchtower; Nov. 1, 1993; p. 12)

Yep..keep BUYING the lie for as long as the governing body is making MONEY from you in other words.

1995 [Discussing the generation of Mt 24] "apparently refers to the peoples of earth (now) who see the sign of Christ presence but fail to mend their ways." (Watchtower November 1, 1995 p.12)

More fail

1995 Bible Students, known since 1931 as Jehovah's Witnesses, also expected that the year 1925 would see the fulfillment of marvelous Bible prophecies. ... More recently, many Witnesses conjectured that events associated with the beginning of Christ's Millennial Reign might start to take place in 1975. Their anticipation was based on the understanding that the seventh millennium of human history would begin then. (Awake, June 22, 1995 p. 9)

Dont shoot the messenger...these are your OWN PUBLICATIONS..ive seen them with my own eyes too.

1995 "Why Awake is Published" [before Nov 8th 1995] Most important, this magazine builds confidence in the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away." [After Nov. 8 1995 reference to '1914 generation' deleted] "Most important, this magazine builds confidence in the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure world that is about to replace the present wicked, lawless system of things."

See..they re write it to suit their current "Light"..in other words..they mess up..and have to cover their tracks..and you fools keep buying it anf buying it.

SO..are you going to delete this from the thread..for fear of your OWN "TRUTH" being exposed for the LIE it actually is?
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Nope....not going to delete.....


Soooo.....what is your hope for the future? and what hope do you have to share with us all?
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Well..I am HOPING to share a civilised discussion with a real live JW as to WHY you wont answer any of my posts about your own past failed predictions.

But so far none of you have the courage to face the writings of your own governing body to explain WHY they have been wrong again and again for 100 years straight.

I get the same stony silence from the rapture set.

Years and years of faisl..based basically around the same set of mumbers and scriptures you guys use but still ALWAYS wrong.

The only difference between you guys and the rapture tards is you guys dont curse and swear when confronted with your own failures. You guys just ignore them...which in its own way is slightly more annoying, in the sense that ANY response is better than NO response..even if it is proving themselves to be the ultimate hypocrites when it comes to showing "fruit"


but still..id like just ONCE to have an intelligent discussion.

You guys seem intelligent..DGNs anti evolution threads are great..but can you guys PLEASE be open minded enough to at least FACE some of the things you have gotten wrong?

Ya know..humility IS a fruit as well..lets see if you have enough to admit you MAY have been wrong a few times.

Well..your governing body has been anyway..THEY are the ones who write your magazines.

If the error is anyones..its theirs.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16418289


No, it is obvious you have an agenda of hate. JW's have never claimed infallibility, such as the Pope claims. Changes in scriptural understanding is an expected result of imperfect people interpreting scripture. These "bullet points" you continue to throw out there, do not change the Bible's message of God's Kingdom solving mankind's problems, the same Kingdom Jesus spoke of in the Lord's Prayer. Neither has it changed Jehovah's timetable in regards to when Armageddon will come- no man knows, not even Jesus knows the day or hour. My hope of living forever on a Paradise earth is unchanged. I encourage people that have lost loved ones in death by sharing the Bibles hope of the resurrection. I do as the Bereans, and read and examine the scriptures to make sure that what I read is in harmony with the Bible, if it is not, I am sure an adjustment will be made in the future, in the meantime, I expect to be hated and jeered at by some, just as Jesus and the Apostls were. Paul was one of the foremost persecutors of early Christians, and he changes and became a Christian. Was his life easy after that? NO!But h did everything he could for the sake of the good news of God's Kingdom. So take your agenda of hate, and tuck it away- there are thousands of examples of truth I have been shown from the Bible with the aid of humble, good-hearted, kind JW's...
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You only get jeered at because you refuse to face the truth about all those past failures.

I remeber back in 1974 the big expectation of all JWs about 1975 being the YEAR..the big one.

Every week they would be around door to door telling us that 1975 was armageddon.

Had a stack of magazines from them stating it so.

1975 came and went.

The rapture tards do the same thing.

You guys are not the only ones to set date after date only to be wrong again and again.

I remeber THEM saying it would be 1982...then 1986..then 88..then 92..then 97..ect ect

They use the same system as you guys too. Picking out a verse here...a mathematical calculation there..then they run around selling millions of books and raking it in..again..only to be wrong..AGAIN.

So you wonder why people may laugh?

its not because you HAVE THE TRUTH..because if you DID..at least ONE of your prophecies would have come true by now.

NO..they laugh..because you CLAIM to have the truth only to be proven over and over that you have not the foggiest idea what you are talking about.

the world despises liars..especially those who make money from lies.

I admit the JWs are not as rabid when it comes to raking in the cash as the christian set..but still..its the same SHOW..the same deal..and the SAME fail.

THATS what people mock.

NOT your "TRUTH"..but your LACK OF IT.

If you call this an agenda...then by all means prove me wrong and discuss it like adults.

I WANT some amswers..and no one is willing to humble themselves enough to give them..which brings me to the conclusion that NO ONE HAS them TO give.

Either you OR the christians.

ALL of you..DONT KNOW ANYTHING.

All you know is what you are TOLD to know.

You hear ONLY what you want to hear..and then..know ONLY what you heard.

WHY???
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Soooo.....what is your hope for the future? and what hope do you have to share with us all?
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Well..I am HOPING to share a civilised discussion with a real live JW as to WHY you wont answer any of my posts about your own past failed predictions.

But so far none of you have the courage to face the writings of your own governing body to explain WHY they have been wrong again and again for 100 years straight.

I get the same stony silence from the rapture set.

Years and years of faisl..based basically around the same set of mumbers and scriptures you guys use but still ALWAYS wrong.

The only difference between you guys and the rapture tards is you guys dont curse and swear when confronted with your own failures. You guys just ignore them...which in its own way is slightly more annoying, in the sense that ANY response is better than NO response..even if it is proving themselves to be the ultimate hypocrites when it comes to showing "fruit"


but still..id like just ONCE to have an intelligent discussion.

You guys seem intelligent..DGNs anti evolution threads are great..but can you guys PLEASE be open minded enough to at least FACE some of the things you have gotten wrong?

Ya know..humility IS a fruit as well..lets see if you have enough to admit you MAY have been wrong a few times.

Well..your governing body has been anyway..THEY are the ones who write your magazines.

If the error is anyones..its theirs.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16418289


No, it is obvious you have an agenda of hate. JW's have never claimed infallibility, such as the Pope claims. Changes in scriptural understanding is an expected result of imperfect people interpreting scripture. These "bullet points" you continue to throw out there, do not change the Bible's message of God's Kingdom solving mankind's problems, the same Kingdom Jesus spoke of in the Lord's Prayer. Neither has it changed Jehovah's timetable in regards to when Armageddon will come- no man knows, not even Jesus knows the day or hour. My hope of living forever on a Paradise earth is unchanged. I encourage people that have lost loved ones in death by sharing the Bibles hope of the resurrection. I do as the Bereans, and read and examine the scriptures to make sure that what I read is in harmony with the Bible, if it is not, I am sure an adjustment will be made in the future, in the meantime, I expect to be hated and jeered at by some, just as Jesus and the Apostls were. Paul was one of the foremost persecutors of early Christians, and he changes and became a Christian. Was his life easy after that? NO!But h did everything he could for the sake of the good news of God's Kingdom. So take your agenda of hate, and tuck it away- there are thousands of examples of truth I have been shown from the Bible with the aid of humble, good-hearted, kind JW's...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37423614


You only get jeered at because you refuse to face the truth about all those past failures.

I remeber back in 1974 the big expectation of all JWs about 1975 being the YEAR..the big one.

Every week they would be around door to door telling us that 1975 was armageddon.

Had a stack of magazines from them stating it so.

1975 came and went.

The rapture tards do the same thing.

You guys are not the only ones to set date after date only to be wrong again and again.

I remeber THEM saying it would be 1982...then 1986..then 88..then 92..then 97..ect ect

They use the same system as you guys too. Picking out a verse here...a mathematical calculation there..then they run around selling millions of books and raking it in..again..only to be wrong..AGAIN.

So you wonder why people may laugh?

its not because you HAVE THE TRUTH..because if you DID..at least ONE of your prophecies would have come true by now.

NO..they laugh..because you CLAIM to have the truth only to be proven over and over that you have not the foggiest idea what you are talking about.

the world despises liars..especially those who make money from lies.

I admit the JWs are not as rabid when it comes to raking in the cash as the christian set..but still..its the same SHOW..the same deal..and the SAME fail.

THATS what people mock.

NOT your "TRUTH"..but your LACK OF IT.

If you call this an agenda...then by all means prove me wrong and discuss it like adults.

I WANT some amswers..and no one is willing to humble themselves enough to give them..which brings me to the conclusion that NO ONE HAS them TO give.

Either you OR the christians.

ALL of you..DONT KNOW ANYTHING.

All you know is what you are TOLD to know.

You hear ONLY what you want to hear..and then..know ONLY what you heard.

WHY???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16418289


Guess that leaves you out huh?
Meanwhile;
"And it must occur in the final part of the days [that] the mountain of the house of Jehovah will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, and it will certainly be lifted up above the hills; and to it all the nations must stream. 3 And many peoples will certainly go and say: “Come, YOU people, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will instruct us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths.”....... And he will certainly render judgment among the nations and set matters straight respecting many peoples. And they will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, neither will they learn war anymore." Isa2;2
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I appreciate this thread but it never fails that someone responds, "I knew this JW who did XYZ and because of that you are all a stupid cult."

Look, being a part of an honest & good religion doesn't make a person perfect. Especially not in this world, which is ruled by Satan. People are people, after all. People are flawed; imperfect. Sometimes that imperfection gets in the way of the perfect principles we are given. Forgive them for their errors, don't judge them unless you want to be judged by the same criteria.

Ultimately the difference is that JWs are trained to follow their Bible-trained consciences not to be governed by lengthy, strict, and weighty lists of laws.

Look at your worldly governments by comparison. Laws! Volumes upon volumes upon volumes of laws; both lengthy & oppressive! Rome & the 1st century Jews also relied upon weighty laws, just like the governments today.

Christ, however, said that his yoke was kindly and his load was light. That is the meaning of following principle instead of unlimited & unfair laws that are meant for criminals that don't follow them anyway!
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I stand in judgment of no man. However, OP claims to be a JW and the Society is very clear about not being on one of these sites. You also cannot count this as "time" for field service reports.

So again, my question. Why is the OP on a "worldly" site, in direct contradiction of the Society's command?
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quit being a hall monitor, such a thing is not "forbidden"
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Really? So you all would not mind having your local Elders and Circuit Overseer know you are posting here and what this site is?
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I wouldn't promote it, but I wouldn't deny it, and I have shown many Elders some of the stupidity, humor and solid news links I have seen here. It is not a big deal- does that shock you, hall montor?
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I respect everyone's free will. Just wondering what you were doing here. BTW - If you knew who I was you certainly would not call me hall monitor
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quit being a hall monitor, such a thing is not "forbidden"
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Really? So you all would not mind having your local Elders and Circuit Overseer know you are posting here and what this site is?
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Why would he? Unlike there, he can be who he wants to be here. They don't have to know he's:

Beachbums

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He's just innocent little AC 37423614
defending JW's. lmao
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(in this case..."he is a she" or a "he-she"?)- ha!
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LOL - iamwith
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Well..I am HOPING to share a civilised discussion with a real live JW as to WHY you wont answer any of my posts about your own past failed predictions.

But so far none of you have the courage to face the writings of your own governing body to explain WHY they have been wrong again and again for 100 years straight.

I get the same stony silence from the rapture set.

Years and years of faisl..based basically around the same set of mumbers and scriptures you guys use but still ALWAYS wrong.

The only difference between you guys and the rapture tards is you guys dont curse and swear when confronted with your own failures. You guys just ignore them...which in its own way is slightly more annoying, in the sense that ANY response is better than NO response..even if it is proving themselves to be the ultimate hypocrites when it comes to showing "fruit"


but still..id like just ONCE to have an intelligent discussion.

You guys seem intelligent..DGNs anti evolution threads are great..but can you guys PLEASE be open minded enough to at least FACE some of the things you have gotten wrong?

Ya know..humility IS a fruit as well..lets see if you have enough to admit you MAY have been wrong a few times.

Well..your governing body has been anyway..THEY are the ones who write your magazines.

If the error is anyones..its theirs.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16418289


No, it is obvious you have an agenda of hate. JW's have never claimed infallibility, such as the Pope claims. Changes in scriptural understanding is an expected result of imperfect people interpreting scripture. These "bullet points" you continue to throw out there, do not change the Bible's message of God's Kingdom solving mankind's problems, the same Kingdom Jesus spoke of in the Lord's Prayer. Neither has it changed Jehovah's timetable in regards to when Armageddon will come- no man knows, not even Jesus knows the day or hour. My hope of living forever on a Paradise earth is unchanged. I encourage people that have lost loved ones in death by sharing the Bibles hope of the resurrection. I do as the Bereans, and read and examine the scriptures to make sure that what I read is in harmony with the Bible, if it is not, I am sure an adjustment will be made in the future, in the meantime, I expect to be hated and jeered at by some, just as Jesus and the Apostls were. Paul was one of the foremost persecutors of early Christians, and he changes and became a Christian. Was his life easy after that? NO!But h did everything he could for the sake of the good news of God's Kingdom. So take your agenda of hate, and tuck it away- there are thousands of examples of truth I have been shown from the Bible with the aid of humble, good-hearted, kind JW's...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37423614


You only get jeered at because you refuse to face the truth about all those past failures.

I remeber back in 1974 the big expectation of all JWs about 1975 being the YEAR..the big one.

Every week they would be around door to door telling us that 1975 was armageddon.

Had a stack of magazines from them stating it so.

1975 came and went.

The rapture tards do the same thing.

You guys are not the only ones to set date after date only to be wrong again and again.

I remeber THEM saying it would be 1982...then 1986..then 88..then 92..then 97..ect ect

They use the same system as you guys too. Picking out a verse here...a mathematical calculation there..then they run around selling millions of books and raking it in..again..only to be wrong..AGAIN.

So you wonder why people may laugh?

its not because you HAVE THE TRUTH..because if you DID..at least ONE of your prophecies would have come true by now.

NO..they laugh..because you CLAIM to have the truth only to be proven over and over that you have not the foggiest idea what you are talking about.

the world despises liars..especially those who make money from lies.

I admit the JWs are not as rabid when it comes to raking in the cash as the christian set..but still..its the same SHOW..the same deal..and the SAME fail.

THATS what people mock.

NOT your "TRUTH"..but your LACK OF IT.

If you call this an agenda...then by all means prove me wrong and discuss it like adults.

I WANT some amswers..and no one is willing to humble themselves enough to give them..which brings me to the conclusion that NO ONE HAS them TO give.

Either you OR the christians.

ALL of you..DONT KNOW ANYTHING.

All you know is what you are TOLD to know.

You hear ONLY what you want to hear..and then..know ONLY what you heard.

WHY???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16418289


Guess that leaves you out huh?
 Quoting: DGN


Leave me out of what?

Seems the only thing im left OUT of again is getting a straight answer.

WHY?

because you dont HAVE any answers.

All you have is the same repetetive dogma.

You can THINK for yourself anymore.

If you could you would at least attempt to answer me like an adult instead of a childish vague sidetrack with the inevitable bible verse attched.

What I dont understand DGN is HOW you can be so intelligent with the anti evolution debates but be such a total ignoramus when it comes to discussing anything else.

Once more I ask.

WHY?

No MAN UP and answer me or prove by your silence that you in fact ARE really just a programmed bot repeating pre programmed words.

Look..pretend I am an evolutionist if it helps..so long as we can TALK.
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This is one prophecy spoken of, that in my opinion, and extensive research has proved to me that it was right on. Having befriended many Older people that lived though 1914- my Grandparents being among them, they said that the world was never the same. They are dead now, but their first hand experience of the changes the world went through, and since they had been looking to 1914 from some 30 years prior,as a pivotal year in Bible prophesy and expecting major changes, that did come true, was exciting for them, and faith strengthening to me.

I know Aussie, you will give a sharp response, but this is one MAJOR prophecy where the math was right.

Here is a cut and paste:

*** re chap. 18 p. 105 Earthquakes in the Lord’s Day ***
“It was in B.C. 606, that God’s kingdom ended, the diadem was removed, and all the earth given up to the Gentiles. 2520 years from B.C. 606, will end in A.D. 1914.”—The Three Worlds, published in 1877, page 83.
“The Bible evidence is clear and strong that the ‘Times of the Gentiles’ is a period of 2520 years, from the year B.C. 606 to and including A.D. 1914.”—Studies in the Scriptures, Volume 2, written by C. T. Russell and published in 1889, page 79.
Charles Taze Russell and his fellow Bible students realized decades earlier that 1914 would mark the end of the Gentile Times, or the appointed times of the nations. (Luke 21:24) While they did not in those early days fully understand what this would mean, they were convinced that 1914 was going to be a pivotal date in world history, and they were right. Notice the following newspaper quotation:
“The terrific war outbreak in Europe has fulfilled an extraordinary prophecy. For a quarter of a century past, through preachers and through press, the ‘International Bible Students,’ best known as ‘Millennial Dawners,’ have been proclaiming to the world that the Day of Wrath prophesied in the Bible would dawn in 1914. ‘Look out for 1914!’ has been the cry of the hundreds of traveling evangelists.”—The World, a New York newspaper, August 30, 1914.
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What is there to hide?

THIS..your own LIES!

1992 "Today, a small percentage of mankind can still recall the dramatic events of 1914. Will that elderly generation pass away before God saves the earth from ruin? Not according to Bible prophecy. 'When you see all these things,' Jesus PROMISED, 'know that he is near at the doors. Truly I say to you that THIS generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.' - Matthew 24:33, 34." (Watchtower May 1, 1992 page 3: The Year That Shocked The World)

Well..that generation is dead and once again the governing body is in error as usual.

1993 (The society's latest 'History' book - "Jehovah's Witnesses, Proclaimers of God's Kingdom", 1993) [Note: At the end of this book there is a chronological section called 'Notable Dates'. The predictions for 1925 and 1975 don't even get a mention! Talk about rewriting history to gullible young converts!]

1993 "Further, the widely circulated booklet Millions Now Living Will Never Die presented the view that in 1925, God's purposes regarding the restoring of the earth to Paradise and the resurrecting of the faithful ones of old would begin to be fulfilled. ... The year 1925 came to its conclusion, but the end was not yet! Ever since the 1870's, Bible Students had been serving with a date in mind - first 1914, then 1925. Now they realized that they must serve for as long as Jehovah wishes." (Watchtower; Nov. 1, 1993; p. 12)

Yep..keep BUYING the lie for as long as the governing body is making MONEY from you in other words.

1995 [Discussing the generation of Mt 24] "apparently refers to the peoples of earth (now) who see the sign of Christ presence but fail to mend their ways." (Watchtower November 1, 1995 p.12)

More fail

1995 Bible Students, known since 1931 as Jehovah's Witnesses, also expected that the year 1925 would see the fulfillment of marvelous Bible prophecies. ... More recently, many Witnesses conjectured that events associated with the beginning of Christ's Millennial Reign might start to take place in 1975. Their anticipation was based on the understanding that the seventh millennium of human history would begin then. (Awake, June 22, 1995 p. 9)

Dont shoot the messenger...these are your OWN PUBLICATIONS..ive seen them with my own eyes too.

1995 "Why Awake is Published" [before Nov 8th 1995] Most important, this magazine builds confidence in the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away." [After Nov. 8 1995 reference to '1914 generation' deleted] "Most important, this magazine builds confidence in the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure world that is about to replace the present wicked, lawless system of things."

See..they re write it to suit their current "Light"..in other words..they mess up..and have to cover their tracks..and you fools keep buying it anf buying it.

SO..are you going to delete this from the thread..for fear of your OWN "TRUTH" being exposed for the LIE it actually is?
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Nope....not going to delete.....


Soooo.....what is your hope for the future? and what hope do you have to share with us all?
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Well..I am HOPING to share a civilised discussion with a real live JW as to WHY you wont answer any of my posts about your own past failed predictions.

But so far none of you have the courage to face the writings of your own governing body to explain WHY they have been wrong again and again for 100 years straight.

I get the same stony silence from the rapture set.

Years and years of faisl..based basically around the same set of mumbers and scriptures you guys use but still ALWAYS wrong.

The only difference between you guys and the rapture tards is you guys dont curse and swear when confronted with your own failures. You guys just ignore them...which in its own way is slightly more annoying, in the sense that ANY response is better than NO response..even if it is proving themselves to be the ultimate hypocrites when it comes to showing "fruit"


but still..id like just ONCE to have an intelligent discussion.

You guys seem intelligent..DGNs anti evolution threads are great..but can you guys PLEASE be open minded enough to at least FACE some of the things you have gotten wrong?

Ya know..humility IS a fruit as well..lets see if you have enough to admit you MAY have been wrong a few times.

Well..your governing body has been anyway..THEY are the ones who write your magazines.

If the error is anyones..its theirs.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16418289


No, it is obvious you have an agenda of hate. JW's have never claimed infallibility, such as the Pope claims. Changes in scriptural understanding is an expected result of imperfect people interpreting scripture. These "bullet points" you continue to throw out there, do not change the Bible's message of God's Kingdom solving mankind's problems, the same Kingdom Jesus spoke of in the Lord's Prayer. Neither has it changed Jehovah's timetable in regards to when Armageddon will come- no man knows, not even Jesus knows the day or hour. My hope of living forever on a Paradise earth is unchanged. I encourage people that have lost loved ones in death by sharing the Bibles hope of the resurrection. I do as the Bereans, and read and examine the scriptures to make sure that what I read is in harmony with the Bible, if it is not, I am sure an adjustment will be made in the future, in the meantime, I expect to be hated and jeered at by some, just as Jesus and the Apostls were. Paul was one of the foremost persecutors of early Christians, and he changes and became a Christian. Was his life easy after that? NO!But h did everything he could for the sake of the good news of God's Kingdom. So take your agenda of hate, and tuck it away- there are thousands of examples of truth I have been shown from the Bible with the aid of humble, good-hearted, kind JW's...
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applause
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This is one prophecy spoken of, that in my opinion, and extensive research has proved to me that it was right on. Having befriended many Older people that lived though 1914- my Grandparents being among them, they said that the world was never the same. They are dead now, but their first hand experience of the changes the world went through, and since they had been looking to 1914 from some 30 years prior,as a pivotal year in Bible prophesy and expecting major changes, that did come true, was exciting for them, and faith strengthening to me.

I know Aussie, you will give a sharp response, but this is one MAJOR prophecy where the math was right.

Here is a cut and paste:

*** re chap. 18 p. 105 Earthquakes in the Lord’s Day ***
“It was in B.C. 606, that God’s kingdom ended, the diadem was removed, and all the earth given up to the Gentiles. 2520 years from B.C. 606, will end in A.D. 1914.”—The Three Worlds, published in 1877, page 83.
“The Bible evidence is clear and strong that the ‘Times of the Gentiles’ is a period of 2520 years, from the year B.C. 606 to and including A.D. 1914.”—Studies in the Scriptures, Volume 2, written by C. T. Russell and published in 1889, page 79.
Charles Taze Russell and his fellow Bible students realized decades earlier that 1914 would mark the end of the Gentile Times, or the appointed times of the nations. (Luke 21:24) While they did not in those early days fully understand what this would mean, they were convinced that 1914 was going to be a pivotal date in world history, and they were right. Notice the following newspaper quotation:
“The terrific war outbreak in Europe has fulfilled an extraordinary prophecy. For a quarter of a century past, through preachers and through press, the ‘International Bible Students,’ best known as ‘Millennial Dawners,’ have been proclaiming to the world that the Day of Wrath prophesied in the Bible would dawn in 1914. ‘Look out for 1914!’ has been the cry of the hundreds of traveling evangelists.”—The World, a New York newspaper, August 30, 1914.
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HAHAHAHAHA the original 1914 date was calculated using the measurements of the great hall within the pyramids of Egypt!!! Not only that, but those texts above, the JW's (International Bible Students) thought it was going to be the end for which Russel apologized for. In addition, they wrote an apologist/agreeable letter to Hitler, AND the fall of Jerusalem BY EVERY SCHOLAR ON THE PLANET WAS NOT IN 606-607 BCE but in 586!!!!!!!!
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Also, what about the fact that their publications way back indicated that black people were cursed and that in the "new system" god would make them WHITE?!?!?
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This is one prophecy spoken of, that in my opinion, and extensive research has proved to me that it was right on. Having befriended many Older people that lived though 1914- my Grandparents being among them, they said that the world was never the same. They are dead now, but their first hand experience of the changes the world went through, and since they had been looking to 1914 from some 30 years prior,as a pivotal year in Bible prophesy and expecting major changes, that did come true, was exciting for them, and faith strengthening to me.

I know Aussie, you will give a sharp response, but this is one MAJOR prophecy where the math was right.

Here is a cut and paste:

*** re chap. 18 p. 105 Earthquakes in the Lord’s Day ***
“It was in B.C. 606, that God’s kingdom ended, the diadem was removed, and all the earth given up to the Gentiles. 2520 years from B.C. 606, will end in A.D. 1914.”—The Three Worlds, published in 1877, page 83.
“The Bible evidence is clear and strong that the ‘Times of the Gentiles’ is a period of 2520 years, from the year B.C. 606 to and including A.D. 1914.”—Studies in the Scriptures, Volume 2, written by C. T. Russell and published in 1889, page 79.
Charles Taze Russell and his fellow Bible students realized decades earlier that 1914 would mark the end of the Gentile Times, or the appointed times of the nations. (Luke 21:24) While they did not in those early days fully understand what this would mean, they were convinced that 1914 was going to be a pivotal date in world history, and they were right. Notice the following newspaper quotation:
“The terrific war outbreak in Europe has fulfilled an extraordinary prophecy. For a quarter of a century past, through preachers and through press, the ‘International Bible Students,’ best known as ‘Millennial Dawners,’ have been proclaiming to the world that the Day of Wrath prophesied in the Bible would dawn in 1914. ‘Look out for 1914!’ has been the cry of the hundreds of traveling evangelists.”—The World, a New York newspaper, August 30, 1914.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37489952


HAHAHAHAHA the original 1914 date was calculated using the measurements of the great hall within the pyramids of Egypt!!! Not only that, but those texts above, the JW's (International Bible Students) thought it was going to be the end for which Russel apologized for. In addition, they wrote an apologist/agreeable letter to Hitler, AND the fall of Jerusalem BY EVERY SCHOLAR ON THE PLANET WAS NOT IN 606-607 BCE but in 586!!!!!!!!
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Wow, I am so glad that "someone that knows it all" was able to chime in with some awesome proof of his or hers lunacy- shill
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This is one prophecy spoken of, that in my opinion, and extensive research has proved to me that it was right on. Having befriended many Older people that lived though 1914- my Grandparents being among them, they said that the world was never the same. They are dead now, but their first hand experience of the changes the world went through, and since they had been looking to 1914 from some 30 years prior,as a pivotal year in Bible prophesy and expecting major changes, that did come true, was exciting for them, and faith strengthening to me.

I know Aussie, you will give a sharp response, but this is one MAJOR prophecy where the math was right.

Here is a cut and paste:

*** re chap. 18 p. 105 Earthquakes in the Lord’s Day ***
“It was in B.C. 606, that God’s kingdom ended, the diadem was removed, and all the earth given up to the Gentiles. 2520 years from B.C. 606, will end in A.D. 1914.”—The Three Worlds, published in 1877, page 83.
“The Bible evidence is clear and strong that the ‘Times of the Gentiles’ is a period of 2520 years, from the year B.C. 606 to and including A.D. 1914.”—Studies in the Scriptures, Volume 2, written by C. T. Russell and published in 1889, page 79.
Charles Taze Russell and his fellow Bible students realized decades earlier that 1914 would mark the end of the Gentile Times, or the appointed times of the nations. (Luke 21:24) While they did not in those early days fully understand what this would mean, they were convinced that 1914 was going to be a pivotal date in world history, and they were right. Notice the following newspaper quotation:
“The terrific war outbreak in Europe has fulfilled an extraordinary prophecy. For a quarter of a century past, through preachers and through press, the ‘International Bible Students,’ best known as ‘Millennial Dawners,’ have been proclaiming to the world that the Day of Wrath prophesied in the Bible would dawn in 1914. ‘Look out for 1914!’ has been the cry of the hundreds of traveling evangelists.”—The World, a New York newspaper, August 30, 1914.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37489952


HAHAHAHAHA the original 1914 date was calculated using the measurements of the great hall within the pyramids of Egypt!!! Not only that, but those texts above, the JW's (International Bible Students) thought it was going to be the end for which Russel apologized for. In addition, they wrote an apologist/agreeable letter to Hitler, AND the fall of Jerusalem BY EVERY SCHOLAR ON THE PLANET WAS NOT IN 606-607 BCE but in 586!!!!!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3558872

Wow, I am so glad that "someone that knows it all" was able to chime in with some awesome proof of his or hers lunacy- shill
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37489952




Seriously? You can find this info ALL DAY. If you are interested go look for it...
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This is one prophecy spoken of, that in my opinion, and extensive research has proved to me that it was right on. Having befriended many Older people that lived though 1914- my Grandparents being among them, they said that the world was never the same. They are dead now, but their first hand experience of the changes the world went through, and since they had been looking to 1914 from some 30 years prior,as a pivotal year in Bible prophesy and expecting major changes, that did come true, was exciting for them, and faith strengthening to me.

I know Aussie, you will give a sharp response, but this is one MAJOR prophecy where the math was right.

Here is a cut and paste:

*** re chap. 18 p. 105 Earthquakes in the Lord’s Day ***
“It was in B.C. 606, that God’s kingdom ended, the diadem was removed, and all the earth given up to the Gentiles. 2520 years from B.C. 606, will end in A.D. 1914.”—The Three Worlds, published in 1877, page 83.
“The Bible evidence is clear and strong that the ‘Times of the Gentiles’ is a period of 2520 years, from the year B.C. 606 to and including A.D. 1914.”—Studies in the Scriptures, Volume 2, written by C. T. Russell and published in 1889, page 79.
Charles Taze Russell and his fellow Bible students realized decades earlier that 1914 would mark the end of the Gentile Times, or the appointed times of the nations. (Luke 21:24) While they did not in those early days fully understand what this would mean, they were convinced that 1914 was going to be a pivotal date in world history, and they were right. Notice the following newspaper quotation:
“The terrific war outbreak in Europe has fulfilled an extraordinary prophecy. For a quarter of a century past, through preachers and through press, the ‘International Bible Students,’ best known as ‘Millennial Dawners,’ have been proclaiming to the world that the Day of Wrath prophesied in the Bible would dawn in 1914. ‘Look out for 1914!’ has been the cry of the hundreds of traveling evangelists.”—The World, a New York newspaper, August 30, 1914.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37489952


HAHAHAHAHA the original 1914 date was calculated using the measurements of the great hall within the pyramids of Egypt!!! Not only that, but those texts above, the JW's (International Bible Students) thought it was going to be the end for which Russel apologized for. In addition, they wrote an apologist/agreeable letter to Hitler, AND the fall of Jerusalem BY EVERY SCHOLAR ON THE PLANET WAS NOT IN 606-607 BCE but in 586!!!!!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3558872

Wow, I am so glad that "someone that knows it all" was able to chime in with some awesome proof of his or hers lunacy- shill
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Seriously? You can find this info ALL DAY. If you are interested go look for it...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3558872

and I can find info on the Web about how the Earth is flat, and how the moon is a hologram, and how nuclear weapons do nit exist, etc. The difference, is, I VET my info and know what I believe- from the Bible. You go to anti-JW web sites and cut and paste. How clever and wise you prove your types to be!
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Well..I am HOPING to share a civilised discussion with a real live JW as to WHY you wont answer any of my posts about your own past failed predictions.

But so far none of you have the courage to face the writings of your own governing body to explain WHY they have been wrong again and again for 100 years straight.

I get the same stony silence from the rapture set.

Years and years of faisl..based basically around the same set of mumbers and scriptures you guys use but still ALWAYS wrong.

The only difference between you guys and the rapture tards is you guys dont curse and swear when confronted with your own failures. You guys just ignore them...which in its own way is slightly more annoying, in the sense that ANY response is better than NO response..even if it is proving themselves to be the ultimate hypocrites when it comes to showing "fruit"


but still..id like just ONCE to have an intelligent discussion.

You guys seem intelligent..DGNs anti evolution threads are great..but can you guys PLEASE be open minded enough to at least FACE some of the things you have gotten wrong?

Ya know..humility IS a fruit as well..lets see if you have enough to admit you MAY have been wrong a few times.

Well..your governing body has been anyway..THEY are the ones who write your magazines.

If the error is anyones..its theirs.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16418289


No, it is obvious you have an agenda of hate. JW's have never claimed infallibility, such as the Pope claims. Changes in scriptural understanding is an expected result of imperfect people interpreting scripture. These "bullet points" you continue to throw out there, do not change the Bible's message of God's Kingdom solving mankind's problems, the same Kingdom Jesus spoke of in the Lord's Prayer. Neither has it changed Jehovah's timetable in regards to when Armageddon will come- no man knows, not even Jesus knows the day or hour. My hope of living forever on a Paradise earth is unchanged. I encourage people that have lost loved ones in death by sharing the Bibles hope of the resurrection. I do as the Bereans, and read and examine the scriptures to make sure that what I read is in harmony with the Bible, if it is not, I am sure an adjustment will be made in the future, in the meantime, I expect to be hated and jeered at by some, just as Jesus and the Apostls were. Paul was one of the foremost persecutors of early Christians, and he changes and became a Christian. Was his life easy after that? NO!But h did everything he could for the sake of the good news of God's Kingdom. So take your agenda of hate, and tuck it away- there are thousands of examples of truth I have been shown from the Bible with the aid of humble, good-hearted, kind JW's...
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You only get jeered at because you refuse to face the truth about all those past failures.

I remeber back in 1974 the big expectation of all JWs about 1975 being the YEAR..the big one.

Every week they would be around door to door telling us that 1975 was armageddon.

Had a stack of magazines from them stating it so.

1975 came and went.

The rapture tards do the same thing.

You guys are not the only ones to set date after date only to be wrong again and again.

I remeber THEM saying it would be 1982...then 1986..then 88..then 92..then 97..ect ect

They use the same system as you guys too. Picking out a verse here...a mathematical calculation there..then they run around selling millions of books and raking it in..again..only to be wrong..AGAIN.

So you wonder why people may laugh?

its not because you HAVE THE TRUTH..because if you DID..at least ONE of your prophecies would have come true by now.

NO..they laugh..because you CLAIM to have the truth only to be proven over and over that you have not the foggiest idea what you are talking about.

the world despises liars..especially those who make money from lies.

I admit the JWs are not as rabid when it comes to raking in the cash as the christian set..but still..its the same SHOW..the same deal..and the SAME fail.

THATS what people mock.

NOT your "TRUTH"..but your LACK OF IT.

If you call this an agenda...then by all means prove me wrong and discuss it like adults.

I WANT some amswers..and no one is willing to humble themselves enough to give them..which brings me to the conclusion that NO ONE HAS them TO give.

Either you OR the christians.

ALL of you..DONT KNOW ANYTHING.

All you know is what you are TOLD to know.

You hear ONLY what you want to hear..and then..know ONLY what you heard.

WHY???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16418289


Guess that leaves you out huh?
Meanwhile;
"And it must occur in the final part of the days [that] the mountain of the house of Jehovah will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, and it will certainly be lifted up above the hills; and to it all the nations must stream. 3 And many peoples will certainly go and say: “Come, YOU people, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will instruct us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths.”....... And he will certainly render judgment among the nations and set matters straight respecting many peoples. And they will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, neither will they learn war anymore." Isa2;2
 Quoting: DGN





Okay, do you really think your arguments about wrong dates come as a shocker to Jehovah's Witness's? We have heard the argument a million times. Since you pride yourself on your research of past comments from the Watchtower about wrong dates, perhaps you have over lover looked the following:

Watchtower- January 1, 2013

pg. 8


HAVE JEHOVAHS WITNESSE'S GIVEN INCORRECT DATES FOR THE END?

"Jehovah's Witnesses have had wrong expectations about when the end would come. Like Jesus first century disciples, we have sometimes looked forward to the fulfillment of prophecy ahead of God's timetable. (Luke 19:11; Acts 1:6 @ Thessalonians 2:1,2) We agree with the sentiments of longtime Witness A. H. Macmillan, who said: "I learned that we should admit our mistakes and continue searching God's Word for more enlightenment".

Why, then do we continue to highlight the nearness of the end? Because we take seriously Jesus' words: "Keep looking, keep awake". The alternative, to be found "sleeping" by Jesus would prevent us from gaining his favor. (Mark 13:33, 36)Why?
Consider this example: A lookout in a fire tower might see what he thinks is a wisp of smoke on the horizon and sound what proves to be a false alarm. Later though, his alertness could save lives.
Likewise, we have had some wrong expectations about the end. But we are more concerned with obeying Jesus and saving lives than with avoiding criticism. Jesus command to "give a thorough witness" compels us to warn others about the end.-Acts 10:42
We believe that even more important than focusing on WHEN the end will come, we must be confident that it WILL come. We take seriously the words of Habakkuk 2: 3, "Even if the end should delay(compared to what you thought), keep in expectation of it; for it will without fail come true, it will not be late.


There...is THAT honest enough for you?
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Also, what about the fact that their publications way back indicated that black people were cursed and that in the "new system" god would make them WHITE?!?!?
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You show absolute proof of that statement
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I appreciate this thread but it never fails that someone responds, "I knew this JW who did XYZ and because of that you are all a stupid cult."

Look, being a part of an honest & good religion doesn't make a person perfect. Especially not in this world, which is ruled by Satan. People are people, after all. People are flawed; imperfect. Sometimes that imperfection gets in the way of the perfect principles we are given. Forgive them for their errors, don't judge them unless you want to be judged by the same criteria.

Ultimately the difference is that JWs are trained to follow their Bible-trained consciences not to be governed by lengthy, strict, and weighty lists of laws.

Look at your worldly governments by comparison. Laws! Volumes upon volumes upon volumes of laws; both lengthy & oppressive! Rome & the 1st century Jews also relied upon weighty laws, just like the governments today.

Christ, however, said that his yoke was kindly and his load was light. That is the meaning of following principle instead of unlimited & unfair laws that are meant for criminals that don't follow them anyway!
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Very nice expressions, thank youpeace
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What do I think when they show up at my door.

I pity the poor brainwashed idiots and have crushed many an argument with those hapless young bucks they send out to try and save their own souls by recruitment.

I like to tell them I am Wiccan and if i know it's them at the door, answer it naked, always throws them for a loop.

Keep you religion to yourself, if i want it I will seek it out.
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No, it is obvious you have an agenda of hate. JW's have never claimed infallibility, such as the Pope claims. Changes in scriptural understanding is an expected result of imperfect people interpreting scripture. These "bullet points" you continue to throw out there, do not change the Bible's message of God's Kingdom solving mankind's problems, the same Kingdom Jesus spoke of in the Lord's Prayer. Neither has it changed Jehovah's timetable in regards to when Armageddon will come- no man knows, not even Jesus knows the day or hour. My hope of living forever on a Paradise earth is unchanged. I encourage people that have lost loved ones in death by sharing the Bibles hope of the resurrection. I do as the Bereans, and read and examine the scriptures to make sure that what I read is in harmony with the Bible, if it is not, I am sure an adjustment will be made in the future, in the meantime, I expect to be hated and jeered at by some, just as Jesus and the Apostls were. Paul was one of the foremost persecutors of early Christians, and he changes and became a Christian. Was his life easy after that? NO!But h did everything he could for the sake of the good news of God's Kingdom. So take your agenda of hate, and tuck it away- there are thousands of examples of truth I have been shown from the Bible with the aid of humble, good-hearted, kind JW's...
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You only get jeered at because you refuse to face the truth about all those past failures.

I remeber back in 1974 the big expectation of all JWs about 1975 being the YEAR..the big one.

Every week they would be around door to door telling us that 1975 was armageddon.

Had a stack of magazines from them stating it so.

1975 came and went.

The rapture tards do the same thing.

You guys are not the only ones to set date after date only to be wrong again and again.

I remeber THEM saying it would be 1982...then 1986..then 88..then 92..then 97..ect ect

They use the same system as you guys too. Picking out a verse here...a mathematical calculation there..then they run around selling millions of books and raking it in..again..only to be wrong..AGAIN.

So you wonder why people may laugh?

its not because you HAVE THE TRUTH..because if you DID..at least ONE of your prophecies would have come true by now.

NO..they laugh..because you CLAIM to have the truth only to be proven over and over that you have not the foggiest idea what you are talking about.

the world despises liars..especially those who make money from lies.

I admit the JWs are not as rabid when it comes to raking in the cash as the christian set..but still..its the same SHOW..the same deal..and the SAME fail.

THATS what people mock.

NOT your "TRUTH"..but your LACK OF IT.

If you call this an agenda...then by all means prove me wrong and discuss it like adults.

I WANT some amswers..and no one is willing to humble themselves enough to give them..which brings me to the conclusion that NO ONE HAS them TO give.

Either you OR the christians.

ALL of you..DONT KNOW ANYTHING.

All you know is what you are TOLD to know.

You hear ONLY what you want to hear..and then..know ONLY what you heard.

WHY???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16418289


Guess that leaves you out huh?
Meanwhile;
"And it must occur in the final part of the days [that] the mountain of the house of Jehovah will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, and it will certainly be lifted up above the hills; and to it all the nations must stream. 3 And many peoples will certainly go and say: “Come, YOU people, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will instruct us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths.”....... And he will certainly render judgment among the nations and set matters straight respecting many peoples. And they will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, neither will they learn war anymore." Isa2;2
 Quoting: DGN





Okay, do you really think your arguments about wrong dates come as a shocker to Jehovah's Witness's? We have heard the argument a million times. Since you pride yourself on your research of past comments from the Watchtower about wrong dates, perhaps you have over lover looked the following:

Watchtower- January 1, 2013

pg. 8


HAVE JEHOVAHS WITNESSE'S GIVEN INCORRECT DATES FOR THE END?

"Jehovah's Witnesses have had wrong expectations about when the end would come. Like Jesus first century disciples, we have sometimes looked forward to the fulfillment of prophecy ahead of God's timetable. (Luke 19:11; Acts 1:6 @ Thessalonians 2:1,2) We agree with the sentiments of longtime Witness A. H. Macmillan, who said: "I learned that we should admit our mistakes and continue searching God's Word for more enlightenment".

Why, then do we continue to highlight the nearness of the end? Because we take seriously Jesus' words: "Keep looking, keep awake". The alternative, to be found "sleeping" by Jesus would prevent us from gaining his favor. (Mark 13:33, 36)Why?
Consider this example: A lookout in a fire tower might see what he thinks is a wisp of smoke on the horizon and sound what proves to be a false alarm. Later though, his alertness could save lives.
Likewise, we have had some wrong expectations about the end. But we are more concerned with obeying Jesus and saving lives than with avoiding criticism. Jesus command to "give a thorough witness" compels us to warn others about the end.-Acts 10:42
We believe that even more important than focusing on WHEN the end will come, we must be confident that it WILL come. We take seriously the words of Habakkuk 2: 3, "Even if the end should delay(compared to what you thought), keep in expectation of it; for it will without fail come true, it will not be late.


There...is THAT honest enough for you?
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Yes. At least ya have one up on the rapture tards there.

They get proven wrong again and again and they curse you to hell when you point it out and they NEVER EVER admit they could have been wrong.

So ten points for at least being humble and honest enough NOT to have lowered yourselves to the dismal and pathetic "rapture tard" standard.
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What do I think when they show up at my door.

I pity the poor brainwashed idiots and have crushed many an argument with those hapless young bucks they send out to try and save their own souls by recruitment.

I like to tell them I am Wiccan and if i know it's them at the door, answer it naked, always throws them for a loop.

Keep you religion to yourself, if i want it I will seek it out.
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There is no "recruitment"

There is no "saving of ones soul"


Just a message of peace. For free.
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You only get jeered at because you refuse to face the truth about all those past failures.

I remeber back in 1974 the big expectation of all JWs about 1975 being the YEAR..the big one.

Every week they would be around door to door telling us that 1975 was armageddon.

Had a stack of magazines from them stating it so.

1975 came and went.

The rapture tards do the same thing.

You guys are not the only ones to set date after date only to be wrong again and again.

I remeber THEM saying it would be 1982...then 1986..then 88..then 92..then 97..ect ect

They use the same system as you guys too. Picking out a verse here...a mathematical calculation there..then they run around selling millions of books and raking it in..again..only to be wrong..AGAIN.

So you wonder why people may laugh?

its not because you HAVE THE TRUTH..because if you DID..at least ONE of your prophecies would have come true by now.

NO..they laugh..because you CLAIM to have the truth only to be proven over and over that you have not the foggiest idea what you are talking about.

the world despises liars..especially those who make money from lies.

I admit the JWs are not as rabid when it comes to raking in the cash as the christian set..but still..its the same SHOW..the same deal..and the SAME fail.

THATS what people mock.

NOT your "TRUTH"..but your LACK OF IT.

If you call this an agenda...then by all means prove me wrong and discuss it like adults.

I WANT some amswers..and no one is willing to humble themselves enough to give them..which brings me to the conclusion that NO ONE HAS them TO give.

Either you OR the christians.

ALL of you..DONT KNOW ANYTHING.

All you know is what you are TOLD to know.

You hear ONLY what you want to hear..and then..know ONLY what you heard.

WHY???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16418289


Guess that leaves you out huh?
Meanwhile;
"And it must occur in the final part of the days [that] the mountain of the house of Jehovah will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, and it will certainly be lifted up above the hills; and to it all the nations must stream. 3 And many peoples will certainly go and say: “Come, YOU people, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will instruct us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths.”....... And he will certainly render judgment among the nations and set matters straight respecting many peoples. And they will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, neither will they learn war anymore." Isa2;2
 Quoting: DGN





Okay, do you really think your arguments about wrong dates come as a shocker to Jehovah's Witness's? We have heard the argument a million times. Since you pride yourself on your research of past comments from the Watchtower about wrong dates, perhaps you have over lover looked the following:

Watchtower- January 1, 2013

pg. 8


HAVE JEHOVAHS WITNESSE'S GIVEN INCORRECT DATES FOR THE END?

"Jehovah's Witnesses have had wrong expectations about when the end would come. Like Jesus first century disciples, we have sometimes looked forward to the fulfillment of prophecy ahead of God's timetable. (Luke 19:11; Acts 1:6 @ Thessalonians 2:1,2) We agree with the sentiments of longtime Witness A. H. Macmillan, who said: "I learned that we should admit our mistakes and continue searching God's Word for more enlightenment".

Why, then do we continue to highlight the nearness of the end? Because we take seriously Jesus' words: "Keep looking, keep awake". The alternative, to be found "sleeping" by Jesus would prevent us from gaining his favor. (Mark 13:33, 36)Why?
Consider this example: A lookout in a fire tower might see what he thinks is a wisp of smoke on the horizon and sound what proves to be a false alarm. Later though, his alertness could save lives.
Likewise, we have had some wrong expectations about the end. But we are more concerned with obeying Jesus and saving lives than with avoiding criticism. Jesus command to "give a thorough witness" compels us to warn others about the end.-Acts 10:42
We believe that even more important than focusing on WHEN the end will come, we must be confident that it WILL come. We take seriously the words of Habakkuk 2: 3, "Even if the end should delay(compared to what you thought), keep in expectation of it; for it will without fail come true, it will not be late.


There...is THAT honest enough for you?
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Yes. At least ya have one up on the rapture tards there.

They get proven wrong again and again and they curse you to hell when you point it out and they NEVER EVER admit they could have been wrong.

So ten points for at least being humble and honest enough NOT to have lowered yourselves to the dismal and pathetic "rapture tard" standard.
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Now that we got THAT over...

"This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth as a witness to all the nations and then the end will come"- Matthew 24:14
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Re: Why do Jehovah's Witnesses continue to preach door to door and in other ways? And what do you think of them?
What do I think when they show up at my door.

I pity the poor brainwashed idiots and have crushed many an argument with those hapless young bucks they send out to try and save their own souls by recruitment.

I like to tell them I am Wiccan and if i know it's them at the door, answer it naked, always throws them for a loop.

Keep you religion to yourself, if i want it I will seek it out.
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It's not that simple;
"In answer Jesus said to them: “Stop murmuring among yourselves.  No man can come to me unless the Father, who sent me, draws him" Jo6:43
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HAHAHAHAHA the original 1914 date was calculated using the measurements of the great hall within the pyramids of Egypt!!! Not only that, but those texts above, the JW's (International Bible Students) thought it was going to be the end for which Russel apologized for. In addition, they wrote an apologist/agreeable letter to Hitler, AND the fall of Jerusalem BY EVERY SCHOLAR ON THE PLANET WAS NOT IN 606-607 BCE but in 586!!!!!!!!
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Wow, I am so glad that "someone that knows it all" was able to chime in with some awesome proof of his or hers lunacy- shill
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Seriously? You can find this info ALL DAY. If you are interested go look for it...
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and I can find info on the Web about how the Earth is flat, and how the moon is a hologram, and how nuclear weapons do nit exist, etc. The difference, is, I VET my info and know what I believe- from the Bible. You go to anti-JW web sites and cut and paste. How clever and wise you prove your types to be!
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The moon is a "HOLOGRAM"?????? ha-I love that!!!!!

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