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PORTUGAL Government prepares second bailout!!! Government ponders paying holiday bonuses with titles treasure!!!

 
Anonymous Coward
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Seriously though, you want to solve a lot of our world's current economic and social problems? Nuke London and NY. Fuck it, Frankfurt and Brussels, too.
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You sort of have it right there:

The productive layer is the accumulation of labour surplus. In other words, its the energy that workers expend that adds value which the system then monetises.

The fractionalising of that value (as well as securitising it in equity) magnifies this layer.

That initial layer has been largely transferred, by Western capitalists to Asia where billions now provide that capacity. The second layer still resides in the West.

In other words, the elite have the capacity to minimise EU government and drive the workers into destitution (whilst ensuring that their status as consumers is preserved.)
 Quoting: Marxist


But we're not monitising labour, we're monetising debt, which is where the vicious circle kicks in - we have to monetise more debt to service the existing debt. It's never bloody ending...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26302253


Without labour, there can be no money. Instead, you would have raging inflation. Its Chinese slave labour that is in fact keeping a lid on the inflationary effects of the current printing.

The debt is merely the secondary layer..it shares that layer with fractionalising and securitising and is the elephant in the room along with the securitising which threatens to overwhelm the slave labour surplus value and trigger inflation of a magnitude we have never seen. This will come in due course once the printing eclipses labour value capacity.

But there is still capacity in that labour value and the can kicking will go on for a bit.
 Quoting: Marxist


You say the debt is the second layer. The EU banks are levered 26 to 1 on balance sheet. If there was just two layers (the initial debt and the 1 CDS bet against it, it would be a balanced layering) The issue is the other 24 layers that have been added to it bannot be written off or repudiated without printing 23 more leverages.
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There are 2 layers of value:

1 Labour surplus;

2 derived value on the labour surplus...fractionalising, securitising and debt. Debt in effect is tomorrows labour surplus brought forward. Fractionalising is labour surplus amplified by a fiction. Securitising is labour surplus amplified by creating derived assets.

Basically they are trying to get more and more out of the same unit of labour. Fortunately, they have billions in Asia as capacity which is why China for example, can do no wrong whereas Russia is kept at arms length.

Western workers are not needed so they will suffer major destitution.
Workers of the World, Unite. You have nothing to lose but your chains!
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Well this conversation has certainly opened my eyes - who would have thought you'd find so many ZH'ers on GLP. I'd recognise you buggers anywhere! Lol!
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It starts already at your local supermarket.

I want to buy some Grapes, and when you look for the Country of origin the come from India.

India?

We have the best Grape producers just around the corner and we buy grapes from India. wtf

Is everyone gone nuts?
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03/28/2013 07:13 AM

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Well this conversation has certainly opened my eyes - who would have thought you'd find so many ZH'ers on GLP. I'd recognise you buggers anywhere! Lol!
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GLP IS THE BEST FORUM IN THE WORLD!!! SEE IT FIRST IN GLP!!! hf
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Seriously though, you want to solve a lot of our world's current economic and social problems? Nuke London and NY. Fuck it, Frankfurt and Brussels, too.
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And:

Grand Caymans

Bahamas

Luxurybourg [AKA Luxembourg]

Switzerland

Throw Paris, Amsterdam, Dublin, Madrid, Rome, Milan into the mix
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Re: PORTUGAL Government prepares second bailout!!! Government ponders paying holiday bonuses with titles treasure!!!
It starts already at your local supermarket.

I want to buy some Grapes, and when you look for the Country of origin the come from India.

India?

We have the best Grape producers just around the corner and we buy grapes from India. wtf

Is everyone gone nuts?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36545374


INDIA???
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03/28/2013 07:14 AM

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zerohedge‏@zerohedge1 min
SocGen: "signs of a credit crunch for corporates in the peripheral countries are materializing."
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Re: PORTUGAL Government prepares second bailout!!! Government ponders paying holiday bonuses with titles treasure!!!
It starts already at your local supermarket.

I want to buy some Grapes, and when you look for the Country of origin the come from India.

India?

We have the best Grape producers just around the corner and we buy grapes from India. wtf

Is everyone gone nuts?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36545374


Your grapes come at a premium cost which capital abhors. Capital thus seeks the cost, efficiency maximised.

You as a worker have no leverage other than to sell yourself at the optimal price. You have no unions and are on your own.

All political leaders will always act in capitals interest.
Workers of the World, Unite. You have nothing to lose but your chains!
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Re: PORTUGAL Government prepares second bailout!!! Government ponders paying holiday bonuses with titles treasure!!!
Well this conversation has certainly opened my eyes - who would have thought you'd find so many ZH'ers on GLP. I'd recognise you buggers anywhere! Lol!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26302253


GLP IS THE BEST FORUM IN THE WORLD!!! SEE IT FIRST IN GLP!!! hf
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True, GLP & ZH, it's where the REAL NEWS is.
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Re: PORTUGAL Government prepares second bailout!!! Government ponders paying holiday bonuses with titles treasure!!!
It starts already at your local supermarket.

I want to buy some Grapes, and when you look for the Country of origin the come from India.

India?

We have the best Grape producers just around the corner and we buy grapes from India. wtf

Is everyone gone nuts?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36545374


INDIA???
 Quoting: Luisport


We get pork from China in kiwiland and we are a farming nation.
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Re: PORTUGAL Government prepares second bailout!!! Government ponders paying holiday bonuses with titles treasure!!!
It starts already at your local supermarket.

I want to buy some Grapes, and when you look for the Country of origin the come from India.

India?

We have the best Grape producers just around the corner and we buy grapes from India. wtf

Is everyone gone nuts?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36545374


Yup - and the Japan tsunami already proved how fragile the supply lines are.
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03/28/2013 07:18 AM
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Re: PORTUGAL Government prepares second bailout!!! Government ponders paying holiday bonuses with titles treasure!!!
No Joke..

Tesco sells Grapes from India tdown

Thinking about the water they use to grow them..

With all the dead corpse floating around..another do
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03/28/2013 07:19 AM
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No Joke..

Tesco sells Grapes from India tdown

Thinking about the water they use to grow them..

With all the dead corpse floating around..another do
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36545374


You think mr capitalist cares?
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03/28/2013 07:19 AM

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Europe's Collapse Of Confidence In One Chart [link to www.zerohedge.com] …
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03/28/2013 07:21 AM

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No Joke..

Tesco sells Grapes from India tdown

Thinking about the water they use to grow them..

With all the dead corpse floating around..another do
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36545374


You think mr capitalist cares?
 Quoting: Marxist


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Gold Imports Send India's Current Account Deficit To A Record High $GLD by @mamtabadkar [link to read.bi]
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Europe's Collapse Of Confidence In One Chart [link to www.zerohedge.com] …
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The Euro is buying tonight. Someone is confident of a fast buck.
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Re: PORTUGAL Government prepares second bailout!!! Government ponders paying holiday bonuses with titles treasure!!!
It starts already at your local supermarket.

I want to buy some Grapes, and when you look for the Country of origin the come from India.

India?

We have the best Grape producers just around the corner and we buy grapes from India. wtf

Is everyone gone nuts?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36545374


We get 'fresh' fruit from Chile! Not Florida or even California [California is 3000 miles from me, so even that is pretty far]. Chile is I'm guessing at least 5000 miles from me here in the northeast US.

We grow great potatos and apples here in New England, yet many in the stores are from Washington State [Pacific Northwest US, about 3000 miles opposite end of the continent], Wisconsin [midwest], etc., New England is a prime growing area for cranberries, yet regular supermarkets stock a lot of cranberries from Wisconsin [midwest state, over 1000 miles away], etc.

I've got nothing against Wisconsin, Washington State, or even Chile. It's just amusing much of our 'fresh' fruit is sourced from so far away when more local is readily available.
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No Joke..

Tesco sells Grapes from India tdown

Thinking about the water they use to grow them..

With all the dead corpse floating around..another do
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36545374


i see a lot of produce from mexico and south america. farmers markets are where its at for the things you can't grow yourself.
if someone asks if you're a god, you say yes!
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03/28/2013 07:24 AM
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Europe's Collapse Of Confidence In One Chart [link to www.zerohedge.com] …
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Ouch! The money velocity is cratering along with it. EarthCorp is in deep shit.
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The Euro is buying tonight. Someone is confident of a fast buck.
 Quoting: Marxist


And the greenback is selling heavily. I'll say this again. You, workers, are being set up...again.
Workers of the World, Unite. You have nothing to lose but your chains!
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Well Norway has 15% budget SURPLUS. Unlike other European countries...
 Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 36232885


Let's get 'em!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15022013


We have a limited economy.. but we had 50 trillion dollars just for one year and had to keep some back... so think yourself about.............. if we do not save you with faith we will destroy you. Do not try to fool us... whatever degree your world is at.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36836032


Was a joke mate. Good for you, good for Norway!

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Re: PORTUGAL Government prepares second bailout!!! Government ponders paying holiday bonuses with titles treasure!!!
It starts already at your local supermarket.

I want to buy some Grapes, and when you look for the Country of origin the come from India.

India?

We have the best Grape producers just around the corner and we buy grapes from India. wtf

Is everyone gone nuts?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36545374


We get 'fresh' fruit from Chile! Not Florida or even California [California is 3000 miles from me, so even that is pretty far]. Chile is I'm guessing at least 5000 miles from me here in the northeast US.

We grow great potatos and apples here in New England, yet many in the stores are from Washington State [Pacific Northwest US, about 3000 miles opposite end of the continent], Wisconsin [midwest], etc., New England is a prime growing area for cranberries, yet regular supermarkets stock a lot of cranberries from Wisconsin [midwest state, over 1000 miles away], etc.

I've got nothing against Wisconsin, Washington State, or even Chile. It's just amusing much of our 'fresh' fruit is sourced from so far away when more local is readily available.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37020970


Profit scouring.
Workers of the World, Unite. You have nothing to lose but your chains!
Anonymous Coward
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03/28/2013 07:27 AM
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Re: PORTUGAL Government prepares second bailout!!! Government ponders paying holiday bonuses with titles treasure!!!
stupid brainwashed fucks who believe this system

bailout?

how can they use the word

look up the definition

how is going deeper into a system of mass deceit, exploitation, deprivation and degradation a bailout?

FOR FUCKS SAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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:D i liek that flying sauser eagler.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36836032


:) it's gonna show the apes what a bailout really means

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Europe's Collapse Of Confidence In One Chart [link to www.zerohedge.com] …
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Ouch! The money velocity is cratering along with it. EarthCorp is in deep shit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26302253


Zerohedge is crap. A statist libertarian who has no clue about capital. What a joke!
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Europe's Collapse Of Confidence In One Chart [link to www.zerohedge.com] …
 Quoting: Luisport


The Euro is buying tonight. Someone is confident of a fast buck.
 Quoting: Marxist


And the greenback is selling heavily. I'll say this again. You, workers, are being set up...again.
 Quoting: Marxist


Same old play, squeeze the shorts then smoke the new longs that come in.How is anyone still falling for this crap?
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Re: PORTUGAL Government prepares second bailout!!! Government ponders paying holiday bonuses with titles treasure!!!
It starts already at your local supermarket.

I want to buy some Grapes, and when you look for the Country of origin the come from India.

India?

We have the best Grape producers just around the corner and we buy grapes from India. wtf

Is everyone gone nuts?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36545374


We get 'fresh' fruit from Chile! Not Florida or even California [California is 3000 miles from me, so even that is pretty far]. Chile is I'm guessing at least 5000 miles from me here in the northeast US.

We grow great potatos and apples here in New England, yet many in the stores are from Washington State [Pacific Northwest US, about 3000 miles opposite end of the continent], Wisconsin [midwest], etc., New England is a prime growing area for cranberries, yet regular supermarkets stock a lot of cranberries from Wisconsin [midwest state, over 1000 miles away], etc.

I've got nothing against Wisconsin, Washington State, or even Chile. It's just amusing much of our 'fresh' fruit is sourced from so far away when more local is readily available.
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Profit scouring.
 Quoting: Marxist


Sure, of course.
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how soon till this hits the USA?
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how soon till this hits the USA?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28870983


Until POMO eases off and rates rise.Then you're toast.Fed will make half a billion loss straight off.

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