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Europe's Collapse Of Confidence In One Chart [link to www.zerohedge.com] …
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The Euro is buying tonight. Someone is confident of a fast buck.
 Quoting: Marxist


And the greenback is selling heavily. I'll say this again. You, workers, are being set up...again.
 Quoting: Marxist


Same old play, squeeze the shorts then smoke the new longs that come in.How is anyone still falling for this crap?
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They sell them the dream...of a share in the system. I went over to the dark side and became a trader. Best move I ever made.

I'm gonna ride out this storm but I feel sorry for working people worldwide. Less pay, more credit, more cheap crap to get in debt over.
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 Quoting: Luisport


Cyprus Market‏@russian_market1 min
Senate speaker says Italy needs govt "at all costs" -- > and I would not mind Martini "at all costs" too.
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Cyprus Market‏@russian_market1 min
Senate speaker says Italy needs govt "at all costs" -- > and I would not mind Martini "at all costs" too.
 Quoting: Luisport


Hahahahaha. Choice!
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03/28/2013 07:38 AM
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The Euro is buying tonight. Someone is confident of a fast buck.
 Quoting: Marxist


And the greenback is selling heavily. I'll say this again. You, workers, are being set up...again.
 Quoting: Marxist


Same old play, squeeze the shorts then smoke the new longs that come in.How is anyone still falling for this crap?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26302253


They sell them the dream...of a share in the system. I went over to the dark side and became a trader. Best move I ever made.

I'm gonna ride out this storm but I feel sorry for working people worldwide. Less pay, more credit, more cheap crap to get in debt over.
 Quoting: Marxist


You'd want to be short this shitstorm for sure,but will your broker even be able to pay out when the dust settles? Thats the worry.Their huge margin accounts with BofAML, GS, UBS, DB and the like will evaporate.
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Cyprus Market‏@russian_market39 s
IMF'S RICE REITERATES: "Italy should maintain Fiscal reporms"
 Quoting: Luisport


Cyprus Market‏@russian_market1 min
Senate speaker says Italy needs govt "at all costs" -- > and I would not mind Martini "at all costs" too.
 Quoting: Luisport


Hahahahaha. Choice!
 Quoting: Marxist


Any goldman boy available?
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And the greenback is selling heavily. I'll say this again. You, workers, are being set up...again.
 Quoting: Marxist


Same old play, squeeze the shorts then smoke the new longs that come in.How is anyone still falling for this crap?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26302253


They sell them the dream...of a share in the system. I went over to the dark side and became a trader. Best move I ever made.

I'm gonna ride out this storm but I feel sorry for working people worldwide. Less pay, more credit, more cheap crap to get in debt over.
 Quoting: Marxist


You'd want to be short this shitstorm for sure,but will your broker even be able to pay out when the dust settles? Thats the worry.Their huge margin accounts with BofAML, GS, UBS, DB and the like will evaporate.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26302253


Pure technical forex on 15 minutes. Dont even bother with the news. I reckon capitalism is going to carry on for a while yet. Euroland is going to suffer though...the working stiffs.
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IMF'S RICE REITERATES: "Italy should maintain Fiscal reporms"
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Central bankers getting nervous!
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Same old play, squeeze the shorts then smoke the new longs that come in.How is anyone still falling for this crap?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26302253


They sell them the dream...of a share in the system. I went over to the dark side and became a trader. Best move I ever made.

I'm gonna ride out this storm but I feel sorry for working people worldwide. Less pay, more credit, more cheap crap to get in debt over.
 Quoting: Marxist


You'd want to be short this shitstorm for sure,but will your broker even be able to pay out when the dust settles? Thats the worry.Their huge margin accounts with BofAML, GS, UBS, DB and the like will evaporate.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26302253


Pure technical forex on 15 minutes. Dont even bother with the news. I reckon capitalism is going to carry on for a while yet. Euroland is going to suffer though...the working stiffs.
 Quoting: Marxist


Prefer the longer timeframes, less stress.As long as I can get a liquid instrument with a chart and some MAs then I'm sweet- handy survival skill for sure,but I can never shake the feeling of being part of the problem.
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IMF'S RICE REITERATES: "Italy should maintain Fiscal reporms"
 Quoting: Luisport


Central bankers getting nervous!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26302253


Nope. On target for the scrapping of EU welfare state. If you study material dialecticism you would understand that transition requires crisis. These top dogs are well versed in the theory. Europe must sweat its dependency on the socialised is the thinking...this debt crisis offers the opportunity.
Workers of the World, Unite. You have nothing to lose but your chains!
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03/28/2013 07:50 AM
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Doesn't matter it will never be enough...sorta like Russ and his fucked up calendar. 1rof1
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+1 A
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03/28/2013 07:52 AM

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Seriously though, you want to solve a lot of our world's current economic and social problems? Nuke London and NY. Fuck it, Frankfurt and Brussels, too.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37020970


And:

Grand Caymans

Bahamas

Luxurybourg [AKA Luxembourg]

Switzerland

Throw Paris, Amsterdam, Dublin, Madrid, Rome, Milan into the mix
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37020970


Add Detroit, Chicongo, and Atlanta.
Who is John Galt?
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They sell them the dream...of a share in the system. I went over to the dark side and became a trader. Best move I ever made.

I'm gonna ride out this storm but I feel sorry for working people worldwide. Less pay, more credit, more cheap crap to get in debt over.
 Quoting: Marxist


You'd want to be short this shitstorm for sure,but will your broker even be able to pay out when the dust settles? Thats the worry.Their huge margin accounts with BofAML, GS, UBS, DB and the like will evaporate.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26302253


Pure technical forex on 15 minutes. Dont even bother with the news. I reckon capitalism is going to carry on for a while yet. Euroland is going to suffer though...the working stiffs.
 Quoting: Marxist


Prefer the longer timeframes, less stress.As long as I can get a liquid instrument with a chart and some MAs then I'm sweet- handy survival skill for sure,but I can never shake the feeling of being part of the problem.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26302253


Nothing but candles. Its like fucking owning an ATM.

Yeah I know the feeling especially as I am hard left ideologically. However, I know how capitalism is going and if you work, its going to get hard as...pay cuts, longer hours, unpoaid overtime, two jobs, etc, etc. I couldnt be bothered with that crap. Lifes too short.
Workers of the World, Unite. You have nothing to lose but your chains!
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Has it ever occurred to anyone in Europe that maybe Socialism is the problem here? Because America sure hasn't figured that out yet...
"And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius

"Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..."
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IMF'S RICE REITERATES: "Italy should maintain Fiscal reporms"
 Quoting: Luisport


Central bankers getting nervous!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26302253


Nope. On target for the scrapping of EU welfare state. If you study material dialecticism you would understand that transition requires crisis. These top dogs are well versed in the theory. Europe must sweat its dependency on the socialised is the thinking...this debt crisis offers the opportunity.
 Quoting: Marxist


Fair enough.Thought it might be the threat of Italy considering a state backed currency.
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Has it ever occurred to anyone in Europe that maybe Socialism is the problem here? Because America sure hasn't figured that out yet...
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for me, the lack of growing and no labour rules in countries like China and India is the problem...
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NEED idiot
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IMF'S RICE REITERATES: "Italy should maintain Fiscal reporms"
 Quoting: Luisport


Central bankers getting nervous!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26302253


Nope. On target for the scrapping of EU welfare state. If you study material dialecticism you would understand that transition requires crisis. These top dogs are well versed in the theory. Europe must sweat its dependency on the socialised is the thinking...this debt crisis offers the opportunity.
 Quoting: Marxist


Fair enough.Thought it might be the threat of Italy considering a state backed currency.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26302253


Oh I see.Marxist-Hegelian, interesting, will dig deeper.Thanks!
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Seriously though, you want to solve a lot of our world's current economic and social problems? Nuke London and NY. Fuck it, Frankfurt and Brussels, too.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37020970


And:

Grand Caymans

Bahamas

Luxurybourg [AKA Luxembourg]

Switzerland

Throw Paris, Amsterdam, Dublin, Madrid, Rome, Milan into the mix
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37020970


Add Detroit, Chicongo, and Atlanta.
 Quoting: Renegade (Me too)


Here come the rednecks. He'ld rather hassle a beneficiary.
Workers of the World, Unite. You have nothing to lose but your chains!
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Has it ever occurred to anyone in Europe that maybe Socialism is the problem here? Because America sure hasn't figured that out yet...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


for me, the lack of growing and no labour rules in countries like China and India is the problem...
 Quoting: Luisport


Labour rules are anathema and can never prevail. The unions either get hounded or bribed.
Workers of the World, Unite. You have nothing to lose but your chains!
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People in Cyprus can't get access to their money, can't get paid, can't pay for fuck all, and yet the S7P makes a record all time high.

Whats wrong with this picture?
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Has it ever occurred to anyone in Europe that maybe Socialism is the problem here? Because America sure hasn't figured that out yet...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


for me, the lack of growing and no labour rules in countries like China and India is the problem...
 Quoting: Luisport


Labour rules are anathema and can never prevail. The unions either get hounded or bribed.
 Quoting: Marxist


As so often, many are left with the feeling of 'capitalism is this' 'socialism is that' having never actually seen the pure ideology in practice.Instead we always end up with some mutant cronyism with a left or right bias.Do we think that this is the world that an Engles or Smith or Keyenes dreamed up? Did they write great tracts on embezzlement and profiteering? Nope!
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People in Cyprus can't get access to their money, can't get paid, can't pay for fuck all, and yet the S7P makes a record all time high.

Whats wrong with this picture?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36893697


People are now marginal consumers. The market has assumed a life of its own.
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People in Cyprus can't get access to their money, can't get paid, can't pay for fuck all, and yet the S7P makes a record all time high.

Whats wrong with this picture?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36893697


Same old Fed pump backed by media hype and computer algorithms. There's no volume in this market so no one is participating... That's not a market you are seeing, youre looking at a crime scene.
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Watch for the mid afternoon selloff then pump back up to near opening price.Happens more often than not.
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Has it ever occurred to anyone in Europe that maybe Socialism is the problem here? Because America sure hasn't figured that out yet...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


for me, the lack of growing and no labour rules in countries like China and India is the problem...
 Quoting: Luisport


Labour rules are anathema and can never prevail. The unions either get hounded or bribed.
 Quoting: Marxist


As so often, many are left with the feeling of 'capitalism is this' 'socialism is that' having never actually seen the pure ideology in practice.Instead we always end up with some mutant cronyism with a left or right bias.Do we think that this is the world that an Engles or Smith or Keyenes dreamed up? Did they write great tracts on embezzlement and profiteering? Nope!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26302253


Forget the rewriters. Marx is ther man. He merely said the following:

Capitalism will globalise taking all with it. It will be a race to the bottom as competition over maxmises. Workers can free themselves from wage labour servitude but they must organise. However, globalism will be inevitable, a new global culture will emerge, everything that means something in our various cultures will just disappear as nothing stands still in capitalism.

Its up to people to make the world they want. However, workers who expect the capitalsit to preserve jobs for them and to help their societies are in for a shock.

After I read capital (I was working as a tax lawyer at the time), I got an almighty scare and went into self employment. Have never looked back. I am still socialist but at least I have some life. My colleagues are working like dogs.
Workers of the World, Unite. You have nothing to lose but your chains!
Marxist

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People in Cyprus can't get access to their money, can't get paid, can't pay for fuck all, and yet the S7P makes a record all time high.

Whats wrong with this picture?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36893697


Same old Fed pump backed by media hype and computer algorithms. There's no volume in this market so no one is participating... That's not a market you are seeing, youre looking at a crime scene.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26302253


Hahaha. Scarey, huh.
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People in Cyprus can't get access to their money, can't get paid, can't pay for fuck all, and yet the S7P makes a record all time high.

Whats wrong with this picture?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36893697


Same old Fed pump backed by media hype and computer algorithms. There's no volume in this market so no one is participating... That's not a market you are seeing, youre looking at a crime scene.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26302253


It is criminal.
Banks are paying huge bonuses for making losses and crashing economies.
Yet not one person has ever been questioned, let alone tried or convicted for this, because the politicians are all friends of the CEOs who run these banks.
Its a fucking joke.
Rbs lost some 3 billion or 5 billion pounds LOST BILLIONS, yet manged to pay out over 1 BILLION in bonuses.
So how the fuck does that work?
Its fraud on a massive scale.
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for me, the lack of growing and no labour rules in countries like China and India is the problem...
 Quoting: Luisport


Labour rules are anathema and can never prevail. The unions either get hounded or bribed.
 Quoting: Marxist


As so often, many are left with the feeling of 'capitalism is this' 'socialism is that' having never actually seen the pure ideology in practice.Instead we always end up with some mutant cronyism with a left or right bias.Do we think that this is the world that an Engles or Smith or Keyenes dreamed up? Did they write great tracts on embezzlement and profiteering? Nope!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26302253


Forget the rewriters. Marx is ther man. He merely said the following:

Capitalism will globalise taking all with it. It will be a race to the bottom as competition over maxmises. Workers can free themselves from wage labour servitude but they must organise. However, globalism will be inevitable, a new global culture will emerge, everything that means something in our various cultures will just disappear as nothing stands still in capitalism.

Its up to people to make the world they want. However, workers who expect the capitalsit to preserve jobs for them and to help their societies are in for a shock.

After I read capital (I was working as a tax lawyer at the time), I got an almighty scare and went into self employment. Have never looked back. I am still socialist but at least I have some life. My colleagues are working like dogs.
 Quoting: Marxist


Funny to think that Marx already called the Global govt, or NWO as it's popularly called these days (not sure why, its more Same Old World Order).I think I must have believed the capitalists along the way somewhere and largely written him off due to the 'debunking' of his economic theory.Have been coming back to Marx a bit more recently after revisiting Nietzche's Zarathustra. He's pretty sensitive to Marx, I think it's the anti-materialist ideals.I think I've still got a copy of Commy Manifesto kicking around somewhere too! What would you recommend as a good covering of the Hegelian style dialectic?

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