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Sandy Hook: Lanza fired 154 rounds in five minutes

 
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some rounds supposedly did make it directly out the window though because thats supposedly how the cars got hit. How do you know for sure that no windows were penetrated?
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because i have collected all the pictures availiable of the front side of the school.
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some rounds supposedly did make it directly out the window though because thats supposedly how the cars got hit. How do you know for sure that no windows were penetrated?
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because i have collected all the pictures availiable of the front side of the school.
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Well, Fred, looks like you may have a point that the shills can't debunk. The windows.

Hey, Brazi shill 0504, do they have good chow down at the NCS commissary?

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because i have collected all the pictures availiable of the front side of the school.
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Well, Fred, looks like you may have a point that the shills can't debunk. The windows.

Hey, Brazi shill 0504, do they have good chow down at the NCS commissary?

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of course, you need to add the fact that on the 20 sec video of the aerial night footage, you could see clearly that no spotlight were inside "presumed" classrooms of Soto and Rousseau.

[link to www.youtube.com]
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because i have collected all the pictures availiable of the front side of the school.
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Well, Fred, looks like you may have a point that the shills can't debunk. The windows.

Hey, Brazi shill 0504, do they have good chow down at the NCS commissary?

oidalG
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of course, you need to add the fact that on the 20 sec video of the aerial night footage, you could see clearly that no spotlight were inside "presumed" classrooms of Soto and Rousseau.

[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: (white cross) 30238953


at 0:02 through 0:05 the classrooms where the shooting took place have black plastic sheeting inside the classroom against the windows, second and third classrooms from the right.

and bullets did go through the windows
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03/29/2013 10:54 AM
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Re: Sandy Hook: Lanza fired 154 rounds in five minutes
Adam Lanza didn't shoot anyone. Sandy Hook was a big fat lie.
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THIS
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Re: Sandy Hook: Lanza fired 154 rounds in five minutes
Adam Lanza didn't shoot anyone. Sandy Hook was a big fat lie.
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THIS
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what gives it away is the scope of the involvement in the conspiracy... too many people have to party to it in the coverup for it to be a real crime
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Re: Sandy Hook: Lanza fired 154 rounds in five minutes
maybe we need more lanza's on the police force.

think of the poor paper delivery ladies

over 100 rounds spent, no kill shots
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at 0:02 through 0:05 the classrooms where the shooting took place have black plastic sheeting inside the classroom against the windows, second and third classrooms from the right.

and bullets did go through the windows
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where come from this hypothesis?

no, we didnt have black plastic sheeting inside the classroom, because it exists also night pictures of the front side of the school and you could see clearly it's not this.

and for bullets, when the shooter brokes the glass to enter the school, but when the bullets go out of the school they go through?
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Re: Sandy Hook: Lanza fired 154 rounds in five minutes
The degree of accuracy is astounding.

Out of 27 victims (28 if you count the unnamed shot-in-the-foot lady), 26 kills.

I know the shill reply: 'those little kids were defenseless...like fish in a barrel'

But do you think they just stood still while the shooter aimed?

And what happened in Soto's room before Lanza got there, while Rousseau's room was being shot up?

Did they at least lock the door? Isn't that what is supposed to happen?

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36975803


Both rooms people were found mostly in a corner of each room so nowhere to run.

As far as accuracy - LOL. Accuracy at several feet with a rifle isnt an issue.
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He didn't even have a rifle inside though
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at 0:02 through 0:05 the classrooms where the shooting took place have black plastic sheeting inside the classroom against the windows, second and third classrooms from the right.

and bullets did go through the windows
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36860504


where come from this hypothesis?

no, we didnt have black plastic sheeting inside the classroom, because it exists also night pictures of the front side of the school and you could see clearly it's not this.

and for bullets, when the shooter brokes the glass to enter the school, but when the bullets go out of the school they go through?
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two different kinds of glass

the black plastic sheeting is there to block view from clandestine people taking pictures into the classroom as they invesyigate and recover the victims; you may not can see it good, but its there. You can see the ripples in it and the alternating dark/light reflections off those ripples in the plastic, and that are clearly different from the 1st classroom on the right which has no plastic
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Re: Sandy Hook: Lanza fired 154 rounds in five minutes
Two Words:

SANDY HOAX

Never happened. No pictures. Nothing happened. This is a contrived lie.

But, suppose it did happen, the police have already said he didn't have an AR, just 4 semi-auto pistols.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Lanza fired 154 rounds in five minutes
Easily. Ive looked at this issue of what Adam was carrying and shooting.


Carrying/shooting an AR(7 lbs), tactical vest with mags in it(~15lbs dep on how much ammo, ea fully loaded 30 rd AR mag is ~16 oz), and 2 handguns in holsters(couple lbs), good belt, isnt a big deal and anyone who knows firearms and shooting knows that. Thats a pretty light load actually so thats not an issue that some have said it was. Soldiers 2 years younger than him are fighting in combat and carrying loads far greater than that.



And 150 rounds in 4-5 minutes between lobby and 2 classrooms all right together is doable. Heres 300 rounds aimed in 2 minutes with mag changes.

[link to www.youtube.com]



This guy has a load on him that would be similar to what Adam probably had, except this guy had on a backpack which Adam didnt that we know of.
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yep sounds like banging pans.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Lanza fired 154 rounds in five minutes
two different kinds of glass

the black plastic sheeting is there to block view from clandestine people taking pictures into the classroom as they invesyigate and recover the victims; you may not can see it good, but its there. You can see the ripples in it and the alternating dark/light reflections off those ripples in the plastic, and that are clearly different from the 1st classroom on the right which has no plastic
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36860504


two different kinds of glasses, how do you know?


and how do you know for black sheet, you was on scene?


1. why use black sheet, when exist roller blinds?

2. why your "hypothetical black sheet" let pass a bit of light through?

3. why they didnt put your hypothetical black sheet on the windows of the hall?

4. why they put your hypothetical black sheet for the night and let the whole day the windows to full view to everybody?
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because i have collected all the pictures availiable of the front side of the school.
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Well, Fred, looks like you may have a point that the shills can't debunk. The windows.

Hey, Brazi shill 0504, do they have good chow down at the NCS commissary?

oidalG
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of course, you need to add the fact that on the 20 sec video of the aerial night footage, you could see clearly that no spotlight were inside "presumed" classrooms of Soto and Rousseau.

[link to www.youtube.com]

and bullets did go through the windows
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Do you have any pictures or footage showing bullet holes in those windows?
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Re: Sandy Hook: Lanza fired 154 rounds in five minutes
This guy has a load on him that would be similar to what Adam probably had, except this guy had on a backpack which Adam didnt that we know of.
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You must mean his fellow Mossad agents backpacks.
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Do you have any pictures or footage showing bullet holes in those windows?
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[link to www.youtube.com]

there is only video and in very bad quality
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Re: Sandy Hook: Lanza fired 154 rounds in five minutes
Easily. Ive looked at this issue of what Adam was carrying and shooting.


Carrying/shooting an AR(7 lbs), tactical vest with mags in it(~15lbs dep on how much ammo, ea fully loaded 30 rd AR mag is ~16 oz), and 2 handguns in holsters(couple lbs), good belt, isnt a big deal and anyone who knows firearms and shooting knows that. Thats a pretty light load actually so thats not an issue that some have said it was. Soldiers 2 years younger than him are fighting in combat and carrying loads far greater than that.



And 150 rounds in 4-5 minutes between lobby and 2 classrooms all right together is doable. Heres 300 rounds aimed in 2 minutes with mag changes.

[link to www.youtube.com]



This guy has a load on him that would be similar to what Adam probably had, except this guy had on a backpack which Adam didnt that we know of.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36860504


This whole reply is a dodge. The question posed is not: "Could a highly trained military weapons expert handle a custom-built, expertly maintained weapon with a specialized target acquisition and aiming system, in a manner that would allow him to discharge more than 150 rounds in 4-5 minutes accurately while firing from fixed positions at a stationary target."

Rather, the question relates to the ability of Adam Lanza, an extremely frail kid who would probably have been unable to pass a military physical exam. or basic training, and with no known familiarity with advanced firearms, to fire his mother's weapon in the condition in which he found it on Dec. 14, 2012, in a manner that would allow him to shoot at dozens of screaming, running, frantically animated kids as he strolled through a school building and dipped in and out of classrooms, without so much as breaking a window on the front side of the classroom.

Re-read the original post, and if you care to answer the question actually being posed, I will read your reply with interest.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Lanza fired 154 rounds in five minutes
154 rounds in five minutes = 1 shot every 2 sec.

and this exploit without breaking any windows on the front side of the classroom.

dont tell me i am wrong, i have the pictures.

possible?
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Perhaps theoretically possible, but highly unlikely if not practically impossible.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Lanza fired 154 rounds in five minutes
Yes and they had Lanza's house roped off faster than a speeding bullet
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Re: Sandy Hook: Lanza fired 154 rounds in five minutes
154 rounds in five minutes = 1 shot every 2 sec.

and this exploit without breaking any windows on the front side of the classroom.

dont tell me i am wrong, i have the pictures.

possible?
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Perhaps theoretically possible, but highly unlikely if not practically impossible.
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so we could add this fact to the oddities list.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Lanza fired 154 rounds in five minutes
Everyone's missing the problem here: 154 total shots killing 26 people each of who were shot between 3 and 11 times each. Even if we set a low average of 5 hits per victim that would mean the shooter only missed 24 shots. 130 hits and 24 misses. 6 hits per victim would be more shots than were supposedly even fired.

I call BS as moving targets would mean more misses than this. And all in 5 minutes? again, BS!!

Who writes these fairy tale scripts anyways?
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Re: Sandy Hook: Lanza fired 154 rounds in five minutes
Everyone's missing the problem here: 154 total shots killing 26 people each of who were shot between 3 and 11 times each. Even if we set a low average of 5 hits per victim that would mean the shooter only missed 24 shots. 130 hits and 24 misses. 6 hits per victim would be more shots than were supposedly even fired.

I call BS as moving targets would mean more misses than this. And all in 5 minutes? again, BS!!

Who writes these fairy tale scripts anyways?
 Quoting: Bittercritter 26255514


and on the 24 missed 1 ended in teacher foot down the hallway...
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Re: Sandy Hook: Lanza fired 154 rounds in five minutes
Lanza fired no shots because there was no Lanza just like there was a lot of acting going on!
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Re: Sandy Hook: Lanza fired 154 rounds in five minutes
He double wielded pistols and used NYC reloads like in the Matrix!
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Re: Sandy Hook: Lanza fired 154 rounds in five minutes
Lanza did not fire a single round.
there was no powder residue on
his hands. this was a professional
and Lanza was used as a scapegoat
Oswald. Lanza was shot in the head
right before the real killer walked
away.

same scenario with Aurora except the
cops got on the scene faster than
expected and the killer did not have
time to shoot Holmes without being
seen or caught.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Lanza fired 154 rounds in five minutes
Its doable. Any experienced COD player with also real world firearms experience could do it. head shots in CQB w an M4 are easy.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Lanza fired 154 rounds in five minutes
Its doable. Any experienced COD player with also real world firearms experience could do it. head shots in CQB w an M4 are easy.
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interesting point of view... but you dont think with this knowledge, "the shooter" wont prefer handguns to move inside a building? (than a long rifle)
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Re: Sandy Hook: Lanza fired 154 rounds in five minutes
Easily. Ive looked at this issue of what Adam was carrying and shooting.


Carrying/shooting an AR(7 lbs), tactical vest with mags in it(~15lbs dep on how much ammo, ea fully loaded 30 rd AR mag is ~16 oz), and 2 handguns in holsters(couple lbs), good belt, isnt a big deal and anyone who knows firearms and shooting knows that. Thats a pretty light load actually so thats not an issue that some have said it was. Soldiers 2 years younger than him are fighting in combat and carrying loads far greater than that.



And 150 rounds in 4-5 minutes between lobby and 2 classrooms all right together is doable. Heres 300 rounds aimed in 2 minutes with mag changes.

[link to www.youtube.com]



This guy has a load on him that would be similar to what Adam probably had, except this guy had on a backpack which Adam didnt that we know of.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36860504


This whole reply is a dodge. The question posed is not: "Could a highly trained military weapons expert handle a custom-built, expertly maintained weapon with a specialized target acquisition and aiming system, in a manner that would allow him to discharge more than 150 rounds in 4-5 minutes accurately while firing from fixed positions at a stationary target."

Rather, the question relates to the ability of Adam Lanza, an extremely frail kid who would probably have been unable to pass a military physical exam. or basic training, and with no known familiarity with advanced firearms, to fire his mother's weapon in the condition in which he found it on Dec. 14, 2012, in a manner that would allow him to shoot at dozens of screaming, running, frantically animated kids as he strolled through a school building and dipped in and out of classrooms, without so much as breaking a window on the front side of the classroom.

Re-read the original post, and if you care to answer the question actually being posed, I will read your reply with interest.
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bout time somebody said this
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Re: Sandy Hook: Lanza fired 154 rounds in five minutes
Everyone's missing the problem here: 154 total shots killing 26 people each of who were shot between 3 and 11 times each. Even if we set a low average of 5 hits per victim that would mean the shooter only missed 24 shots. 130 hits and 24 misses. 6 hits per victim would be more shots than were supposedly even fired.

I call BS as moving targets would mean more misses than this. And all in 5 minutes? again, BS!!

Who writes these fairy tale scripts anyways?
 Quoting: Bittercritter 26255514


The thing that you're missing is that you're pulling those numbers out of your ass. You have no way to know how many shots missed.

Which still misses the real point. Which is: how hard do you think it really is to shoot trapped and terrified 6 year olds?
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Re: Sandy Hook: Lanza fired 154 rounds in five minutes
Everyone\'s missing the problem here: 154 total shots killing 26 people each of who were shot between 3 and 11 times each. Even if we set a low average of 5 hits per victim that would mean the shooter only missed 24 shots. 130 hits and 24 misses. 6 hits per victim would be more shots than were supposedly even fired.

I call BS as moving targets would mean more misses than this. And all in 5 minutes? again, BS!!

Who writes these fairy tale scripts anyways?
 Quoting: Bittercritter 26255514


The thing that you\'re missing is that you\'re pulling those numbers out of your ass. You have no way to know how many shots missed.

Which still misses the real point. Which is: how hard do you think it really is to shoot trapped and terrified 6 year olds?
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Carver\'s the one who said, \'3 to 11 shots\' for each victim.

If it was, say, 5 shots per victim, that\'s 130 rounds. 5 X 26. Plus \"half a dozen thunderous rounds\" to get in the door. So that\'s 136, which means he only would have missed 18 times. Pretty goddamn accurate, I\'d say.

Now, your second point: you say it would have been easy to shoot the \"trapped\" 6 year olds.

Well, we know some kids escaped from Soto\'s, and others were under desks. So it doesn\'t sound like they just lined up for him.

My question is this: he supposedly went to Soto\'s room second. So what was happening in Soto\'s room while the shooter was in Rousseau\'s? Was her door closed? Locked?

We know from witness Becky Virgalla that the classroom doors at S.H. didn\'t lock from the inside.

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