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Anonymous Coward User ID: 36975803 Germany 03/29/2013 03:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36860504 ... some rounds supposedly did make it directly out the window though because thats supposedly how the cars got hit. How do you know for sure that no windows were penetrated? because i have collected all the pictures availiable of the front side of the school. Well, Fred, looks like you may have a point that the shills can't debunk. The windows. Hey, Brazi shill 0504, do they have good chow down at the NCS commissary? oidalG |
(white cross) (OP) User ID: 30238953 Poland 03/29/2013 10:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | because i have collected all the pictures availiable of the front side of the school. Quoting: (white cross) 30238953 Well, Fred, looks like you may have a point that the shills can't debunk. The windows. Hey, Brazi shill 0504, do they have good chow down at the NCS commissary? oidalG of course, you need to add the fact that on the 20 sec video of the aerial night footage, you could see clearly that no spotlight were inside "presumed" classrooms of Soto and Rousseau. [link to www.youtube.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36860504 Brazil 03/29/2013 10:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | because i have collected all the pictures availiable of the front side of the school. Quoting: (white cross) 30238953 Well, Fred, looks like you may have a point that the shills can't debunk. The windows. Hey, Brazi shill 0504, do they have good chow down at the NCS commissary? oidalG of course, you need to add the fact that on the 20 sec video of the aerial night footage, you could see clearly that no spotlight were inside "presumed" classrooms of Soto and Rousseau. [link to www.youtube.com] at 0:02 through 0:05 the classrooms where the shooting took place have black plastic sheeting inside the classroom against the windows, second and third classrooms from the right. and bullets did go through the windows |
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(white cross) (OP) User ID: 30238953 Poland 03/29/2013 10:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36860504 at 0:02 through 0:05 the classrooms where the shooting took place have black plastic sheeting inside the classroom against the windows, second and third classrooms from the right. and bullets did go through the windows where come from this hypothesis? no, we didnt have black plastic sheeting inside the classroom, because it exists also night pictures of the front side of the school and you could see clearly it's not this. and for bullets, when the shooter brokes the glass to enter the school, but when the bullets go out of the school they go through? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 3694399 United States 03/29/2013 11:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The degree of accuracy is astounding. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36975803 Out of 27 victims (28 if you count the unnamed shot-in-the-foot lady), 26 kills. I know the shill reply: 'those little kids were defenseless...like fish in a barrel' But do you think they just stood still while the shooter aimed? And what happened in Soto's room before Lanza got there, while Rousseau's room was being shot up? Did they at least lock the door? Isn't that what is supposed to happen? oidalG Both rooms people were found mostly in a corner of each room so nowhere to run. As far as accuracy - LOL. Accuracy at several feet with a rifle isnt an issue. He didn't even have a rifle inside though |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36860504 Brazil 03/29/2013 11:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36860504 at 0:02 through 0:05 the classrooms where the shooting took place have black plastic sheeting inside the classroom against the windows, second and third classrooms from the right. and bullets did go through the windows where come from this hypothesis? no, we didnt have black plastic sheeting inside the classroom, because it exists also night pictures of the front side of the school and you could see clearly it's not this. and for bullets, when the shooter brokes the glass to enter the school, but when the bullets go out of the school they go through? two different kinds of glass the black plastic sheeting is there to block view from clandestine people taking pictures into the classroom as they invesyigate and recover the victims; you may not can see it good, but its there. You can see the ripples in it and the alternating dark/light reflections off those ripples in the plastic, and that are clearly different from the 1st classroom on the right which has no plastic |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 554016 United States 03/29/2013 11:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Easily. Ive looked at this issue of what Adam was carrying and shooting. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36860504 Carrying/shooting an AR(7 lbs), tactical vest with mags in it(~15lbs dep on how much ammo, ea fully loaded 30 rd AR mag is ~16 oz), and 2 handguns in holsters(couple lbs), good belt, isnt a big deal and anyone who knows firearms and shooting knows that. Thats a pretty light load actually so thats not an issue that some have said it was. Soldiers 2 years younger than him are fighting in combat and carrying loads far greater than that. And 150 rounds in 4-5 minutes between lobby and 2 classrooms all right together is doable. Heres 300 rounds aimed in 2 minutes with mag changes. [link to www.youtube.com] This guy has a load on him that would be similar to what Adam probably had, except this guy had on a backpack which Adam didnt that we know of. yep sounds like banging pans. |
(white cross) (OP) User ID: 30238953 Poland 03/29/2013 11:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | two different kinds of glass Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36860504 the black plastic sheeting is there to block view from clandestine people taking pictures into the classroom as they invesyigate and recover the victims; you may not can see it good, but its there. You can see the ripples in it and the alternating dark/light reflections off those ripples in the plastic, and that are clearly different from the 1st classroom on the right which has no plastic two different kinds of glasses, how do you know? and how do you know for black sheet, you was on scene? 1. why use black sheet, when exist roller blinds? 2. why your "hypothetical black sheet" let pass a bit of light through? 3. why they didnt put your hypothetical black sheet on the windows of the hall? 4. why they put your hypothetical black sheet for the night and let the whole day the windows to full view to everybody? |
Stickywicket User ID: 33865391 Canada 03/29/2013 12:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | because i have collected all the pictures availiable of the front side of the school. Quoting: (white cross) 30238953 Well, Fred, looks like you may have a point that the shills can't debunk. The windows. Hey, Brazi shill 0504, do they have good chow down at the NCS commissary? oidalG of course, you need to add the fact that on the 20 sec video of the aerial night footage, you could see clearly that no spotlight were inside "presumed" classrooms of Soto and Rousseau. [link to www.youtube.com] and bullets did go through the windows Do you have any pictures or footage showing bullet holes in those windows? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 17586504 United States 03/30/2013 04:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Easily. Ive looked at this issue of what Adam was carrying and shooting. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36860504 Carrying/shooting an AR(7 lbs), tactical vest with mags in it(~15lbs dep on how much ammo, ea fully loaded 30 rd AR mag is ~16 oz), and 2 handguns in holsters(couple lbs), good belt, isnt a big deal and anyone who knows firearms and shooting knows that. Thats a pretty light load actually so thats not an issue that some have said it was. Soldiers 2 years younger than him are fighting in combat and carrying loads far greater than that. And 150 rounds in 4-5 minutes between lobby and 2 classrooms all right together is doable. Heres 300 rounds aimed in 2 minutes with mag changes. [link to www.youtube.com] This guy has a load on him that would be similar to what Adam probably had, except this guy had on a backpack which Adam didnt that we know of. This whole reply is a dodge. The question posed is not: "Could a highly trained military weapons expert handle a custom-built, expertly maintained weapon with a specialized target acquisition and aiming system, in a manner that would allow him to discharge more than 150 rounds in 4-5 minutes accurately while firing from fixed positions at a stationary target." Rather, the question relates to the ability of Adam Lanza, an extremely frail kid who would probably have been unable to pass a military physical exam. or basic training, and with no known familiarity with advanced firearms, to fire his mother's weapon in the condition in which he found it on Dec. 14, 2012, in a manner that would allow him to shoot at dozens of screaming, running, frantically animated kids as he strolled through a school building and dipped in and out of classrooms, without so much as breaking a window on the front side of the classroom. Re-read the original post, and if you care to answer the question actually being posed, I will read your reply with interest. |
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(white cross) (OP) User ID: 30238953 Poland 04/01/2013 01:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 154 rounds in five minutes = 1 shot every 2 sec. Quoting: (white cross) 30238953 and this exploit without breaking any windows on the front side of the classroom. dont tell me i am wrong, i have the pictures. possible? Perhaps theoretically possible, but highly unlikely if not practically impossible. so we could add this fact to the oddities list. |
Bittercritter User ID: 26255514 United States 04/01/2013 07:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I call BS as moving targets would mean more misses than this. And all in 5 minutes? again, BS!! Who writes these fairy tale scripts anyways? |
(white cross) (OP) User ID: 30238953 Poland 04/01/2013 01:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Everyone's missing the problem here: 154 total shots killing 26 people each of who were shot between 3 and 11 times each. Even if we set a low average of 5 hits per victim that would mean the shooter only missed 24 shots. 130 hits and 24 misses. 6 hits per victim would be more shots than were supposedly even fired. Quoting: Bittercritter 26255514 I call BS as moving targets would mean more misses than this. And all in 5 minutes? again, BS!! Who writes these fairy tale scripts anyways? and on the 24 missed 1 ended in teacher foot down the hallway... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 37253799 United States 04/01/2013 02:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lanza did not fire a single round. there was no powder residue on his hands. this was a professional and Lanza was used as a scapegoat Oswald. Lanza was shot in the head right before the real killer walked away. same scenario with Aurora except the cops got on the scene faster than expected and the killer did not have time to shoot Holmes without being seen or caught. |
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(white cross) (OP) User ID: 30238953 Poland 04/01/2013 03:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Its doable. Any experienced COD player with also real world firearms experience could do it. head shots in CQB w an M4 are easy. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35346045 interesting point of view... but you dont think with this knowledge, "the shooter" wont prefer handguns to move inside a building? (than a long rifle) |
JBB User ID: 33366374 United States 04/01/2013 03:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Easily. Ive looked at this issue of what Adam was carrying and shooting. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36860504 Carrying/shooting an AR(7 lbs), tactical vest with mags in it(~15lbs dep on how much ammo, ea fully loaded 30 rd AR mag is ~16 oz), and 2 handguns in holsters(couple lbs), good belt, isnt a big deal and anyone who knows firearms and shooting knows that. Thats a pretty light load actually so thats not an issue that some have said it was. Soldiers 2 years younger than him are fighting in combat and carrying loads far greater than that. And 150 rounds in 4-5 minutes between lobby and 2 classrooms all right together is doable. Heres 300 rounds aimed in 2 minutes with mag changes. [link to www.youtube.com] This guy has a load on him that would be similar to what Adam probably had, except this guy had on a backpack which Adam didnt that we know of. This whole reply is a dodge. The question posed is not: "Could a highly trained military weapons expert handle a custom-built, expertly maintained weapon with a specialized target acquisition and aiming system, in a manner that would allow him to discharge more than 150 rounds in 4-5 minutes accurately while firing from fixed positions at a stationary target." Rather, the question relates to the ability of Adam Lanza, an extremely frail kid who would probably have been unable to pass a military physical exam. or basic training, and with no known familiarity with advanced firearms, to fire his mother's weapon in the condition in which he found it on Dec. 14, 2012, in a manner that would allow him to shoot at dozens of screaming, running, frantically animated kids as he strolled through a school building and dipped in and out of classrooms, without so much as breaking a window on the front side of the classroom. Re-read the original post, and if you care to answer the question actually being posed, I will read your reply with interest. bout time somebody said this |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 589518 Australia 04/01/2013 09:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Everyone's missing the problem here: 154 total shots killing 26 people each of who were shot between 3 and 11 times each. Even if we set a low average of 5 hits per victim that would mean the shooter only missed 24 shots. 130 hits and 24 misses. 6 hits per victim would be more shots than were supposedly even fired. Quoting: Bittercritter 26255514 I call BS as moving targets would mean more misses than this. And all in 5 minutes? again, BS!! Who writes these fairy tale scripts anyways? The thing that you're missing is that you're pulling those numbers out of your ass. You have no way to know how many shots missed. Which still misses the real point. Which is: how hard do you think it really is to shoot trapped and terrified 6 year olds? |
oidalG User ID: 17876110 United States 04/02/2013 03:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Everyone\'s missing the problem here: 154 total shots killing 26 people each of who were shot between 3 and 11 times each. Even if we set a low average of 5 hits per victim that would mean the shooter only missed 24 shots. 130 hits and 24 misses. 6 hits per victim would be more shots than were supposedly even fired. Quoting: Bittercritter 26255514 I call BS as moving targets would mean more misses than this. And all in 5 minutes? again, BS!! Who writes these fairy tale scripts anyways? The thing that you\'re missing is that you\'re pulling those numbers out of your ass. You have no way to know how many shots missed. Which still misses the real point. Which is: how hard do you think it really is to shoot trapped and terrified 6 year olds? Carver\'s the one who said, \'3 to 11 shots\' for each victim. If it was, say, 5 shots per victim, that\'s 130 rounds. 5 X 26. Plus \"half a dozen thunderous rounds\" to get in the door. So that\'s 136, which means he only would have missed 18 times. Pretty goddamn accurate, I\'d say. Now, your second point: you say it would have been easy to shoot the \"trapped\" 6 year olds. Well, we know some kids escaped from Soto\'s, and others were under desks. So it doesn\'t sound like they just lined up for him. My question is this: he supposedly went to Soto\'s room second. So what was happening in Soto\'s room while the shooter was in Rousseau\'s? Was her door closed? Locked? We know from witness Becky Virgalla that the classroom doors at S.H. didn\'t lock from the inside. |