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Canadian researchers claim fuel cell breakthrough • "implications are potentially enormous." PUBLISHED PAPER in "SCIENCE"

 
amachiavellian (OP)

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03/29/2013 01:46 PM
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Re: Canadian researchers claim fuel cell breakthrough • "implications are potentially enormous." PUBLISHED PAPER in "SCIENCE"
Having read the article, there is no specific description of Berlinguette's "new" electrolyzer.

Too much sensationalism, not enough science.
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Okay, that last line cracked me up.

Here dude.

Photochemical Route for Accessing Amorphous Metal Oxide Materials for Water Oxidation Catalysis

[link to www.sciencemag.org]
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It will never catch on.
The Canucks who live in the north just put the beer outside to keep in cold.No need for a fridge.

But seriously-oil from sea water,oil from air,now this.

The petro dollar is going thru a change.I think it will be the
energy dollar in time.And that energy will come from things like this.

What we are experiencing now is the global trauma of shifting the oil based economy to an energy based one.

Very interesting years ahead.And the end result is going to make the great depression look like a mom n pop shop having a bad day.

The rules of the past are being erased as we sit here.Remember that old disclaimer.Past performance is not an indicator of future gains.
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Re: Canadian researchers claim fuel cell breakthrough • "implications are potentially enormous." PUBLISHED PAPER in "SCIENCE"
real soon now. I think announcements like these are about funding. Electrochemistry is a pretty mature technology and "breakthroughs" are unlikely.
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Yeah I know. I used to work in angel financing and have seen a few of these in the past.

From my experience, the energy sector is just about exhausted in terms of stretching tech, unless of course, we find the route to free energy. Now theres a physics defying baby that could earn someone big bucks.
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Re: Canadian researchers claim fuel cell breakthrough • "implications are potentially enormous." PUBLISHED PAPER in "SCIENCE"
We need more skeptics at GLP. Stupidest pin ever. This isn't a fuel cell 'breakthrough', if anything it relates to electrolyzers. Trouble with fuel cells are the reason why they aren't commercialized, not electrolyzers. Society knows a million ways to produce H, it dosen't know how to take H and make it into electricity cheaply & reliably.
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This is just a huge FUCK YOU to the Arab oil states.
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Re: Canadian researchers claim fuel cell breakthrough • "implications are potentially enormous." PUBLISHED PAPER in "SCIENCE"
We need more skeptics at GLP. Stupidest pin ever. This isn't a fuel cell 'breakthrough', if anything it relates to electrolyzers. Trouble with fuel cells are the reason why they aren't commercialized, not electrolyzers. Society knows a million ways to produce H, it dosen't know how to take H and make it into electricity cheaply & reliably.
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This guy said it best -

The actual big deal part of this is that they have figured out a way to create thin film deposition arrangements of iron oxide with the same or better efficiency than current methods that utilize rare earth materials. This will lower the production cost and thus the retail cost of fuel cells by a significant amount. Said cost being a main factor in preventing mainstream distribution and adoption of the technology.
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Re: Canadian researchers claim fuel cell breakthrough • "implications are potentially enormous." PUBLISHED PAPER in "SCIENCE"
[link to www.vancouversun.com]

"Their paper published in the journal Science says they’ve found a much easier and cheaper way to build an electrolyzer, which uses electricity to break up water into hydrogen and oxygen, the basic requirements of fuel cells.

Fuel cells take those gases and generate energy by recombining them. Water is the only waste product. The cells are seen as a possible source of clean, reliable power that could be built on almost any scale required.

Electrolyzers depend on rare, difficult-to-work-with and sometimes toxic metals, but the method developed by Chris Berlinguette and Simon Trudel uses metals as common as rust. It delivers results comparable to current techniques but costs about 1,000 times less.

That could make it easier to use hydrogen to store intermittent energy produced by renewable sources such as wind or solar generators — cheaper, more efficient and with fewer toxic materials than the batteries currently used.
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Water Vapor: It's a Gas!

Water can take the form of an invisible gas called water vapor. Water vapor is naturally present in the atmosphere and has a strong effect on weather and climate.

As the planet gets warmer, more water evaporates from the Earth's surface and becomes vapor in the atmosphere. Water vapor is a greenhouse gas, so more water vapor in the atmosphere leads to even more warming. This is an example of a positive feedback loop, which happens when warming causes changes that lead to even more warming.

[link to epa.gov]

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