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Finally evolution can be disproved in one sentance. Darwins theory of evolution is a THEORY but not fact of evolution.
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Right, so by that logic gravitational theory is also wrong? The same with germ theory, the theory of relativity?

Evolution is a scientific theory, it has a body of evidence to support it. You are thinking of a hypothesis.

You'd be hard pressed to find something in science that starts with "the fact of".
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If god truly created a being and let him take over the planet where his most prized creations had just been created than i wouldn't want to meet him. That god would be an evil psychopathic ego driven monster who demands worship in order to be saved from a being he created when he could easily destroy satan or banish him to another universe.

Ooooh but he sacrificed himself for my sins right. Bullshit, he is god, he knew full well that he would not die upon mortal death so how is that a sacrifice? Because he went through a little pain? Big fucking deal people get mauled by tigers everyday...

Plus if you believe in the original story of adam and eve then you believe that we are all inbred mutants... if you believe that adam and eve were only two of many different first humans than you believe that onlly genetic ancestors are born with original sin...

You also believe that we are the descendants of noah and his family... there were less than 15 humans on board... you also believe that literally every species of animal on earth are the product of incest since noah only saved 2 of each...
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As usual the Christians have no real answer other than bc the bible says it. A work of fiction created by power hungry ego maniacs a zillion years ago. They do t use logic they live in fantasy. Might I add while they condemn others by judging and going against everything Jesus says wtf else is new there is no reasoning with some of these nuts
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If god truly created a being and let him take over the planet where his most prized creations had just been created than i wouldn't want to meet him. That god would be an evil psychopathic ego driven monster who demands worship in order to be saved from a being he created when he could easily destroy satan or banish him to another universe.

Ooooh but he sacrificed himself for my sins right. Bullshit, he is god, he knew full well that he would not die upon mortal death so how is that a sacrifice? Because he went through a little pain? Big fucking deal people get mauled by tigers everyday...

Plus if you believe in the original story of adam and eve then you believe that we are all inbred mutants... if you believe that adam and eve were only two of many different first humans than you believe that onlly genetic ancestors are born with original sin...

You also believe that we are the descendants of noah and his family... there were less than 15 humans on board... you also believe that literally every species of animal on earth are the product of incest since noah only saved 2 of each...
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As usual the Christians have no real answer other than bc the bible says it. A work of fiction created by power hungry ego maniacs a zillion years ago. They do t use logic they live in fantasy. Might I add while they condemn others by judging and going against everything Jesus says wtf else is new there is no reasoning with some of these nuts
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Its truly sad. These people are ego driven freaks with absolutely no critical thinking skills.
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If god truly created a being and let him take over the planet where his most prized creations had just been created than i wouldn't want to meet him. That god would be an evil psychopathic ego driven monster who demands worship in order to be saved from a being he created when he could easily destroy satan or banish him to another universe.

Ooooh but he sacrificed himself for my sins right. Bullshit, he is god, he knew full well that he would not die upon mortal death so how is that a sacrifice? Because he went through a little pain? Big fucking deal people get mauled by tigers everyday...

Plus if you believe in the original story of adam and eve then you believe that we are all inbred mutants... if you believe that adam and eve were only two of many different first humans than you believe that onlly genetic ancestors are born with original sin...

You also believe that we are the descendants of noah and his family... there were less than 15 humans on board... you also believe that literally every species of animal on earth are the product of incest since noah only saved 2 of each...
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1. If GOD would have destroyed Lucifer/ Satan right from the begining that would have prevented the revealing of the true heniuosness of sin and its result. Its about who's way is just and good.GOD doesn't force obedience. To destroy Lucifer would have been forced worship. Freewill. that's what's this is about. The ultimate love. Volunteer service only is acceptable to GOD.
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2. Adam and Eve were created to inhabit and
SUBDUE the earth. By Divine Decree their DNA, which came from the breath of GOD ,and the earth, contained everything to do just that.

3. As for Noah. There were 2 pair of UNCLEAN animals, and 7 pair of CLEAN animals. (They had to eat. There was no vegetation ). It is at this point that scriptures start the Geneology.Scripture clearlly show how the sons of Noah became civilization.


Personally, i would rather begin there with Noah than the alternative .
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Did you ever disobey your dad? Did you get punished? Does that make your dad cruel and evil? No, it was because he loved you, didn't want you to get hurt, or hurt others. Why didn't he stop you from doing wrong? If he loved you, wouldn't he have stopped you from doing that wrong? No, he wanted to see if you would listen. The same with God. All He asks is that you love Him and others. He's not going to intervene. It's all on you. That's the two-edged sword of truth, your free will. He gave people 120 years notice about the Flood. 120 years!! One family listened until it was too late. Would you wait 120 years for someone to listen to you. This world is as dark and depraved now as it was back then. He has only given us 10 Laws to follow. If your heart is so hard that you can't follow them, get ready to get wet! He could not come down here without killing everyone (like in the Flood) so He sent His Son as an example. Jesus was such a great example of clean living we killed Him. You are doing the same thing now. Believe in Jesus, follow in His footsteps, love your fellow man. Do this daily (pick up your cross), don't stick it in the ground and brag that your a "Christian" like many do. Be know by your fruit. Produce fruit until you die! You can lose your salvation. Reread the parable of the sower.
So if you want your conclusion to be true OP, you must first be willing to give up your free will. Are you willing to do that? He made this place gave us some rules to follow and we screwed it up. Blaming God for our screwups is a common theme among nonbelievers. Instead you should be asking: how can I be Christ like and make this a better place. It's amazing how much hatred you will get for showing love.
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I feel sorry for you. You equate the creator of everything in the universe to a human father? no, god is much greater than humans and it does not suffer from the same emotions we are subjected to here on earth. There is no duality when it comes to god, he is not half good half evil. God is pure love.
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I was using an example. God is love. Was trying to make it as simple as possible while still explaining the Gospel. You explain God without using the word love. You cannot. You can say omnipotent, all-powerful, and everything else that He is but you still must include love. You disagree that God is love? That is my conclusion. Yet you disagree? Why?
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If god truly created a being and let him take over the planet where his most prized creations had just been created than i wouldn't want to meet him. That god would be an evil psychopathic ego driven monster who demands worship in order to be saved from a being he created when he could easily destroy satan or banish him to another universe.

Ooooh but he sacrificed himself for my sins right. Bullshit, he is god, he knew full well that he would not die upon mortal death so how is that a sacrifice? Because he went through a little pain? Big fucking deal people get mauled by tigers everyday...

Plus if you believe in the original story of adam and eve then you believe that we are all inbred mutants... if you believe that adam and eve were only two of many different first humans than you believe that onlly genetic ancestors are born with original sin...

You also believe that we are the descendants of noah and his family... there were less than 15 humans on board... you also believe that literally every species of animal on earth are the product of incest since noah only saved 2 of each...
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Life is a test to see if you remember the name of God when you die to get through the door to heaven. If you're really angry about it take it out on lucifer. He's the real reason for our shitty existance. He hates Our Lady and the Rosary. Might as well torture him while you're alive. Trust me it spices things up.
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Did you ever disobey your dad? Did you get punished? Does that make your dad cruel and evil? No, it was because he loved you, didn't want you to get hurt, or hurt others. Why didn't he stop you from doing wrong? If he loved you, wouldn't he have stopped you from doing that wrong? No, he wanted to see if you would listen. The same with God. All He asks is that you love Him and others. He's not going to intervene. It's all on you. That's the two-edged sword of truth, your free will. He gave people 120 years notice about the Flood. 120 years!! One family listened until it was too late. Would you wait 120 years for someone to listen to you. This world is as dark and depraved now as it was back then. He has only given us 10 Laws to follow. If your heart is so hard that you can't follow them, get ready to get wet! He could not come down here without killing everyone (like in the Flood) so He sent His Son as an example. Jesus was such a great example of clean living we killed Him. You are doing the same thing now. Believe in Jesus, follow in His footsteps, love your fellow man. Do this daily (pick up your cross), don't stick it in the ground and brag that your a "Christian" like many do. Be know by your fruit. Produce fruit until you die! You can lose your salvation. Reread the parable of the sower.
So if you want your conclusion to be true OP, you must first be willing to give up your free will. Are you willing to do that? He made this place gave us some rules to follow and we screwed it up. Blaming God for our screwups is a common theme among nonbelievers. Instead you should be asking: how can I be Christ like and make this a better place. It's amazing how much hatred you will get for showing love.
God bless!
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I feel sorry for you. You equate the creator of everything in the universe to a human father? no, god is much greater than humans and it does not suffer from the same emotions we are subjected to here on earth. There is no duality when it comes to god, he is not half good half evil. God is pure love.
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I was using an example. God is love. Was trying to make it as simple as possible while still explaining the Gospel. You explain God without using the word love. You cannot. You can say omnipotent, all-powerful, and everything else that He is but you still must include love. You disagree that God is love? That is my conclusion. Yet you disagree? Why?
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Did you not read what I wrote?
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If god truly created a being and let him take over the planet where his most prized creations had just been created than i wouldn't want to meet him. That god would be an evil psychopathic ego driven monster who demands worship in order to be saved from a being he created when he could easily destroy satan or banish him to another universe.

Ooooh but he sacrificed himself for my sins right. Bullshit, he is god, he knew full well that he would not die upon mortal death so how is that a sacrifice? Because he went through a little pain? Big fucking deal people get mauled by tigers everyday...

Plus if you believe in the original story of adam and eve then you believe that we are all inbred mutants... if you believe that adam and eve were only two of many different first humans than you believe that onlly genetic ancestors are born with original sin...

You also believe that we are the descendants of noah and his family... there were less than 15 humans on board... you also believe that literally every species of animal on earth are the product of incest since noah only saved 2 of each...
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Life is a test to see if you remember the name of God when you die to get through the door to heaven. If you're really angry about it take it out on lucifer. He's the real reason for our shitty existance. He hates Our Lady and the Rosary. Might as well torture him while you're alive. Trust me it spices things up.
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Haha if satan is real than when I see him I will tell him to suck my dick. What kind of little bitch tries to take over a species that is weaker than he is? What kind of god allows said being to do so in the beginning of our creation? It seems like odd timing doesn't it? Right when god creates the first two humans satan is banished to earth and become the controller of this world hmmmmmmmm
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If god truly created a being and let him take over the planet where his most prized creations had just been created than i wouldn't want to meet him. That god would be an evil psychopathic ego driven monster who demands worship in order to be saved from a being he created when he could easily destroy satan or banish him to another universe.

Ooooh but he sacrificed himself for my sins right. Bullshit, he is god, he knew full well that he would not die upon mortal death so how is that a sacrifice? Because he went through a little pain? Big fucking deal people get mauled by tigers everyday...

Plus if you believe in the original story of adam and eve then you believe that we are all inbred mutants... if you believe that adam and eve were only two of many different first humans than you believe that onlly genetic ancestors are born with original sin...

You also believe that we are the descendants of noah and his family... there were less than 15 humans on board... you also believe that literally every species of animal on earth are the product of incest since noah only saved 2 of each...
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Isaias (Isaiah) 52:5
And now what have I here, saith the Lord: for my people is taken away gratis. They that rule over them treat them unjustly, saith the Lord, and my name is continually blasphemed all the day long.

Ezechiel (Ezeckiel) 20:27
Wherefore speak to the house of Israel, O son of man, and say to them: Thus saith the Lord God: Moreover in this also your fathers blasphemed me, when they had despised and contemned me;

If god truly created a being and let him take over the planet where his most prized creations had just been created than i wouldn't want to meet him.


Osee (Hosea) 14:10
Who is wise, and he shall understand these things? prudent, and he shall know these things? for the ways of the Lord are right, and the just shall walk in them: but the transgressors shall fall in them.

1 Kings (1 Samuel) 16:7
And the Lord said to Samuel: Look not on his countenance, nor on the height of his stature: because I have rejected him, nor do I judge according to the look of man: for man seeth those things that appear, but the Lord beholdeth the heart.

Jeremias (Jeremiah) 6:30
Call them reprobate silver, for the Lord hath rejected them.

That god would be an evil psychopathic ego driven monster who demands worship in order to be saved from a being he created when he could easily destroy satan or banish him to another universe.

Isaias (Isaiah) 5:24
Therefore as the tongue of the fire devoureth the stubble, and the heat of the dame consumeth it: so shall their root be as ashes, and their bud shall go up as dust: for they have cast away the law of the Lord of hosts, and have blasphemed the word of the Holy One of Israel.


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Ooooh but he sacrificed himself for my sins right. Bullshit, he is god, he knew full well that he would not die upon mortal death so how is that a sacrifice? Because he went through a little pain? Big fucking deal people get mauled by tigers everyday...

First Epistle Of Saint Paul To The Corinthians 10: [9] Neither let us tempt Christ: as some of them tempted, and perished by the serpents. [10] Neither do you murmur: as some of them murmured, and were destroyed by the destroyer.

[11] Now all these things happened to them in figure: and they are written for our correction, upon whom the ends of the world are come. [12] Wherefore he that thinketh himself to stand, let him take heed lest he fall.


Mark 12:10
And have you not read this scripture, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is made the head of the corner:

First Epistle Of Saint Paul To The Corinthians 1: [18] For the word of the cross, to them indeed that perish, is foolishness; but to them that are saved, that is, to us, it is the power of God. [19] For it is written: I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the prudence of the prudent I will reject.


Plus if you believe in the original story of adam and eve then you believe that we are all inbred mutants... if you believe that adam and eve were only two of many different first humans than you believe that onlly genetic ancestors are born with original sin...

Epistle Of Saint Paul To The Romans 11: [31] So these also now have not believed, for your mercy, that they also may obtain mercy. [32] For God hath concluded all in unbelief, that he may have mercy on all.

[33] O the depth of the riches of the wisdom and of the knowledge of God! How incomprehensible are his judgments, and how unsearchable his ways!

[34] For who hath known the mind of the Lord? Or who hath been his counsellor? [35] Or who hath first given to him, and recompense shall be made him?

[32] Concluded all in unbelief: He hath found all nations, both Jews and Gentiles, in unbelief and sin; not by his causing, but by the abuse of their own free will; so that their calling and election is purely owing to his mercy.

[36] For of him, and by him, and in him, are all things: to him be glory for ever. Amen.


You also believe that we are the descendants of noah and his family... there were less than 15 humans on board... you also believe that literally every species of animal on earth are the product of incest since noah only saved 2 of each...


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2 Peter 1:20
Understanding this first, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation.

Ecclesiastes 11: [5] As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit, nor how the bones are joined together in the womb of her that is with child: so thou knowest not the works of God, who is the maker of all.

Jeremias (Jeremiah) 30: [12] For thus saith the Lord: Thy bruise is incurable, thy wound is very grievous. [13] There is none to judge thy judgment to bind it up: thou hast no healing medicines. [14] All thy lovers have forgotten thee, and will not seek after thee: for I have wounded thee with the wound of an enemy, with a cruel chastisement: by reason of the multitude of thy iniquities, thy sins are hardened.

[15] Why criest thou for thy affliction? thy sorrow is incurable: for the multitude of thy iniquity, and for thy hardened sins I have done these things to thee.


Ecclesiasticus 21:15
But there is a wisdom that aboundeth in evil: and there is no understanding where there is bitterness.

Malachias (Malachi) 3: [13] Your words have been unsufferable to me, saith the Lord.

[14] And you have said: What have we spoken against thee? You have said: He laboureth in vain that serveth God, and what profit is it that we have kept his ordinances, and that we have walked sorrowful before the Lord of hosts? [15] Wherefore now we call the proud people happy, for they that work wickedness are built up, and they have tempted God and are preserved.

[16] Then they that feared the Lord spoke every one with his neighbour: and the Lord gave ear, and heard it: and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that fear the Lord, and think on his name.

[17] And they shall be my special possession, saith the Lord of hosts, in the day that I do judgment: and I will spare them, as a man spareth his son that serveth him. [18] And you shall return, and shall see the difference between the just and the wicked: and between him that serveth God, and him that serveth him not.



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1 Chronicles 16:22 Touch not my anointed: and do no evil to my prophets.
Colossians 2:[21] Touch not, taste not, handle not:

Thread: Thus saith the LORD: Behold I set before you the way of life, and the way of death.

Thread: Jesus began to preach, and to say: Do penance, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.


Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus

Thread: Hell is real and most people are just a breath away from it. Ignorance is no excuse.

3 Kings (1 Kings) 18: [15] And Elias said: As the Lord of hosts liveth, before whose face I stand, this day.

Amos 3:7 For the Lord God doth nothing without revealing his secret to his servants the prophets.

BEHOLD! THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND!

Matthew 10: [34] Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword.


Jeremias (Jeremiah) 25: [27] And thou shalt say to them: Thus saith the Lord of hosts the God of Israel: Drink ye, and be drunken, and vomit: and fall, and rise no more, because of the sword, which I shall send among you.
[28] And if they refuse to take the cup at thy hand to drink, thou shalt say to them: Thus saith the Lord of hosts: Drinking you shall drink:

Jeremias (Jeremiah) 22:[29] O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the Lord.

Ezechiel (Ezeckiel) 39: [8] Behold it cometh, and it is done, saith the Lord God: this is the day whereof I have spoken.

2 Corinthians 11:31
The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who is blessed for ever, knoweth that I lie not.

Matthew 26:[46] Rise, let us go: behold he is at hand that will betray me.[47] As he yet spoke, behold Judas, one of
the twelve, came.

Aggeus (Haggai) 2: [7] For thus saith the Lord of hosts: Yet one little while, and I will move the heaven and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land.

(Isaiah) 24:[3] With desolation shall the earth be laid waste, and it shall be utterly spoiled: for the Lord hath spoken this word.

Zacharias (Zachariah) 13:7
Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that cleaveth to me, saith the Lord of hosts: strike the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered:

Ezechiel (Ezeckiel) 18:32
For I desire not the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord God, return ye and live.
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No, no, no dummy. No one proves you wrong for a choice you've made. You either realize it was wrong on your own or you stay a stubborn dummy and don't.
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Why wont any if you christians attack what i wrote in my OP with intelligent arguments? You people are so hillarious!
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Because they are not intelligent points.
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OP, you're wasting your time! These braindead critters believe a snake is talking to you. Hell, they believe a fictitious dead guy talks to them!
Following the basic premise that a zombie from somewhere in space (who used to live on earth, in Palestine of all places) is on his way to destroy what he (well, his dad...who is him too?!?!) created, and you pretty much have a bunch of people capable of exactly NO rational thought whatsoever.
And we're supposed to take them seriously.
Thank fuck that this is GLP...Lunatic fringe!
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OP, you're wasting your time! These braindead critters believe a snake is talking to you. Hell, they believe a fictitious dead guy talks to them!
Following the basic premise that a zombie from somewhere in space (who used to live on earth, in Palestine of all places) is on his way to destroy what he (well, his dad...who is him too?!?!) created, and you pretty much have a bunch of people capable of exactly NO rational thought whatsoever.
And we're supposed to take them seriously.
Thank fuck that this is GLP...Lunatic fringe!
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Haha bro religion is one of the biggest conspiracy in the history of humanity.
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Don't feed the Satan Troll.
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Why wont any if you christians attack what i wrote in my OP with intelligent arguments? You people are so hillarious!
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Because they are not intelligent points.
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Okay well can you please atleast try. It should be easy since they arent intelligent points.
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Don't feed the Satan Troll.
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I don't worship satan buddy.
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Why wont any if you christians attack what i wrote in my OP with intelligent arguments? You people are so hillarious!
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Because they are not intelligent points.
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Okay well can you please atleast try. It should be easy since they arent intelligent points.
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If god truly created a being and let him take over the planet where his most prized creations had just been created than i wouldn't want to meet him. That god would be an evil psychopathic ego driven monster who demands worship in order to be saved from a being he created when he could easily destroy satan or banish him to another universe.

HE did, but not to "take over the planet" rather tend a garden on a planet. Does a black hole demand worship? Or respect… this is worship. HE does not demand. HE "loves" satan as well.

Ooooh but he sacrificed himself for my sins right. Bullshit, he is god, he knew full well that he would not die upon mortal death so how is that a sacrifice? Because he went through a little pain? Big fucking deal people get mauled by tigers everyday...

HE sent a message so that you could be back in the garden, outside of delusion. To tend it as you did before… or are meant to. the Christ realized throughout his time who HE was. It it a small part of the whole that HE suffered physical pain...

Plus if you believe in the original story of adam and eve then you believe that we are all inbred mutants... if you believe that adam and eve were only two of many different first humans than you believe that onlly genetic ancestors are born with original sin...

Those exiled from the garden into the world, are the descendants.
A product of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil is cause and effect. We need to eat to maintain our bodies outside of the garden. This is sin.


You also believe that we are the descendants of noah and his family... there were less than 15 humans on board... you also believe that literally every species of animal on earth are the product of incest since noah only saved 2 of each...

The math works on Noahs progeny, there are many stories found in many cultures of the flood, your interpretation is biased "christian" ideology. Who can say how it truly happened and what was omitted and included in the writings.

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Why wont any if you christians attack what i wrote in my OP with intelligent arguments? You people are so hillarious!
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Because they are not intelligent points.
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Okay well can you please atleast try. It should be easy since they arent intelligent points.
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If god truly created a being and let him take over the planet where his most prized creations had just been created than i wouldn't want to meet him. That god would be an evil psychopathic ego driven monster who demands worship in order to be saved from a being he created when he could easily destroy satan or banish him to another universe.

HE did, but not to "take over the planet" rather tend a garden on a planet. Does a black hole demand worship? Or respect… this is worship. HE does not demand. HE "loves" satan as well.

Ooooh but he sacrificed himself for my sins right. Bullshit, he is god, he knew full well that he would not die upon mortal death so how is that a sacrifice? Because he went through a little pain? Big fucking deal people get mauled by tigers everyday...

HE sent a message so that you could be back in the garden, outside of delusion. To tend it as you did before… or are meant to. the Christ realized throughout his time who HE was. It it a small part of the whole that HE suffered physical pain...

Plus if you believe in the original story of adam and eve then you believe that we are all inbred mutants... if you believe that adam and eve were only two of many different first humans than you believe that onlly genetic ancestors are born with original sin...

Those exiled from the garden into the world, are the descendants.
A product of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil is cause and effect. We need to eat to maintain our bodies outside of the garden. This is sin.


You also believe that we are the descendants of noah and his family... there were less than 15 humans on board... you also believe that literally every species of animal on earth are the product of incest since noah only saved 2 of each...

The math works on Noahs progeny, there are many stories found in many cultures of the flood, your interpretation is biased "christian" ideology. Who can say how it truly happened and what was omitted and included in the writings.

 Quoting: M1.618


So tend the garden by tricking humans into sinning? God knowingly created satan and banished him to earth in order to take all the souls who don't worship him to eternal suffering?

What do you mean only those exiled from the garden are descendants? Wouldn't that be all of humanity since adam and eve were the first humans on earth?

It would still be incest at some point amongst every species on the planet...
So you are admitting that this story in the bible might just be an exaggeration and might not be true?
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If god truly created a being and let him take over the planet where his most prized creations had just been created than i wouldn't want to meet him. That god would be an evil psychopathic ego driven monster who demands worship in order to be saved from a being he created when he could easily destroy satan or banish him to another universe.

Ooooh but he sacrificed himself for my sins right. Bullshit, he is god, he knew full well that he would not die upon mortal death so how is that a sacrifice? Because he went through a little pain? Big fucking deal people get mauled by tigers everyday...

Plus if you believe in the original story of adam and eve then you believe that we are all inbred mutants... if you believe that adam and eve were only two of many different first humans than you believe that onlly genetic ancestors are born with original sin...

You also believe that we are the descendants of noah and his family... there were less than 15 humans on board... you also believe that literally every species of animal on earth are the product of incest since noah only saved 2 of each...
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let's just tackle you quesion about incest

how do you think evolution would have worked?

how many mating pairs did that start with?

tic toc
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If god truly created a being and let him take over the planet where his most prized creations had just been created than i wouldn't want to meet him. That god would be an evil psychopathic ego driven monster who demands worship in order to be saved from a being he created when he could easily destroy satan or banish him to another universe.

Ooooh but he sacrificed himself for my sins right. Bullshit, he is god, he knew full well that he would not die upon mortal death so how is that a sacrifice? Because he went through a little pain? Big fucking deal people get mauled by tigers everyday...

Plus if you believe in the original story of adam and eve then you believe that we are all inbred mutants... if you believe that adam and eve were only two of many different first humans than you believe that onlly genetic ancestors are born with original sin...

You also believe that we are the descendants of noah and his family... there were less than 15 humans on board... you also believe that literally every species of animal on earth are the product of incest since noah only saved 2 of each...
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let's just tackle you quesion about incest

how do you think evolution would have worked?

how many mating pairs did that start with?

tic toc
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I don't believe in the full story of evolution but I have never heard anything about two family members of any species mating with eachother being discussed. I thought it states that through billions of years of mutations has lead us to humanity. I think its bullshit since the monkeys didn't die off when they supposedly evolved into humans through millions of years.
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Time and the secret of universe will reveal all truths. Not 2000 year old "hip" stories that recycle every 5000 years or so.
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Yep, you can also get some hints by looking inward and meditating. Do not look outward in books written by men for truth. God resides within us and he is the only thing who never tells a lie.
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Please tell me, how will you find "your Creator" by going within when you are in Adam's image and likeness? The image that you therefore hold of your Creator is that of man's image and likeness...wicked, angry, murderous, lustful, prideful, arrogant..... exactly what man sees upon opening the Bible. It's a divine mirror - you start to read and see a Creator who is all of those things, but in reality, He is showing you - man. And those who shut it, are happy to go off thinking what an evil monster...never understanding that to learn to love the truth involves the slow revealing that every single one of the traits are not your Creator's Character, His Name...but man's.

Going within finds the strong delusion which sets one up, sitting in the temple of God, declaring oneself to be God. This was Adam's iniquity in Isaiah 14. Going within - altering your consciousness through self hypnosis like Buddhist meditation and it's hundreds of variants - is a delusion. It's you choosing man as god instead of Your Creator as God. This is the mystery of iniquity racing around the planet today - man rejecting his very own Creator because man thinks himself to be god. It's Judea shouting in one voice to release a murderer, insurrectionist and robber and to crucify the new creation of man in Jesus Christ.

Going within is choosing to stay in the nature of the beast , the inherent iniquity and kingdom of darkness within us. The fact that you can even think that your Creator is in this sick image and likeness is foolishness. That type of Creator would be the serpent, wouldn't it? What would a Holy God be doing inside an unrepentant pedophile as he rapes a little toddler? Or inside an unrepentant serial killer as he dismembers his victims? Therefore, your God is the MONSTER, the most wicked and deprived sort of God imaginable. Think your stance through - your 'god' is no better than man in his most despicable state. How could you glorify such a god? How could you even want to? Who's managed to convince you that He is to be found inside?
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Time and the secret of universe will reveal all truths. Not 2000 year old "hip" stories that recycle every 5000 years or so.
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Yep, you can also get some hints by looking inward and meditating. Do not look outward in books written by men for truth. God resides within us and he is the only thing who never tells a lie.
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Please tell me, how will you find "your Creator" by going within when you are in Adam's image and likeness? The image that you therefore hold of your Creator is that of man's image and likeness...wicked, angry, murderous, lustful, prideful, arrogant..... exactly what man sees upon opening the Bible. It's a divine mirror - you start to read and see a Creator who is all of those things, but in reality, He is showing you - man. And those who shut it, are happy to go off thinking what an evil monster...never understanding that to learn to love the truth involves the slow revealing that every single one of the traits are not your Creator's Character, His Name...but man's.

Going within finds the strong delusion which sets one up, sitting in the temple of God, declaring oneself to be God. This was Adam's iniquity in Isaiah 14. Going within - altering your consciousness through self hypnosis like Buddhist meditation and it's hundreds of variants - is a delusion. It's you choosing man as god instead of Your Creator as God. This is the mystery of iniquity racing around the planet today - man rejecting his very own Creator because man thinks himself to be god. It's Judea shouting in one voice to release a murderer, insurrectionist and robber and to crucify the new creation of man in Jesus Christ.

Going within is choosing to stay in the nature of the beast , the inherent iniquity and kingdom of darkness within us. The fact that you can even think that your Creator is in this sick image and likeness is foolishness. That type of Creator would be the serpent, wouldn't it? What would a Holy God be doing inside an unrepentant pedophile as he rapes a little toddler? Or inside an unrepentant serial killer as he dismembers his victims? Therefore, your God is the MONSTER, the most wicked and deprived sort of God imaginable. Think your stance through - your 'god' is no better than man in his most despicable state. How could you glorify such a god? How could you even want to? Who's managed to convince you that He is to be found inside?
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Interesting take but I am speaking of consciousness not man. I believe that the consciousness of god resides within each of us and you have to search deep into a place of pure love and openness to listen to what god has to say. I am not choosing man as god at all, I believe god is everything in creation and therefore I am a small portion of him, I can tap into the pure consciousness of god because I am connected to god.
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Why wont any if you christians attack what i wrote in my OP with intelligent arguments? You people are so hillarious!
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Because they are not intelligent points.
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Okay well can you please atleast try. It should be easy since they arent intelligent points.
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If god truly created a being and let him take over the planet where his most prized creations had just been created than i wouldn't want to meet him. That god would be an evil psychopathic ego driven monster who demands worship in order to be saved from a being he created when he could easily destroy satan or banish him to another universe.

HE did, but not to "take over the planet" rather tend a garden on a planet. Does a black hole demand worship? Or respect… this is worship. HE does not demand. HE "loves" satan as well.

Ooooh but he sacrificed himself for my sins right. Bullshit, he is god, he knew full well that he would not die upon mortal death so how is that a sacrifice? Because he went through a little pain? Big fucking deal people get mauled by tigers everyday...

HE sent a message so that you could be back in the garden, outside of delusion. To tend it as you did before… or are meant to. the Christ realized throughout his time who HE was. It it a small part of the whole that HE suffered physical pain...

Plus if you believe in the original story of adam and eve then you believe that we are all inbred mutants... if you believe that adam and eve were only two of many different first humans than you believe that onlly genetic ancestors are born with original sin...

Those exiled from the garden into the world, are the descendants.
A product of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil is cause and effect. We need to eat to maintain our bodies outside of the garden. This is sin.


You also believe that we are the descendants of noah and his family... there were less than 15 humans on board... you also believe that literally every species of animal on earth are the product of incest since noah only saved 2 of each...

The math works on Noahs progeny, there are many stories found in many cultures of the flood, your interpretation is biased "christian" ideology. Who can say how it truly happened and what was omitted and included in the writings.

 Quoting: M1.618


So tend the garden by tricking humans into sinning? God knowingly created satan and banished him to earth in order to take all the souls who don't worship him to eternal suffering?

Satan seduced man, they had free will as did satan. Satan can not take anything that is not his to start with. Who knows what hell is but it is decrease. God saved man from satan. It is unclear what banish means regarding satan

What do you mean only those exiled from the garden are descendants? Wouldn't that be all of humanity since adam and eve were the first humans on earth?

There are two stories of creation in genesis, one of the world and man, followed by the garden and adam, check it out its cool.

It would still be incest at some point amongst every species on the planet...

In this context the incest goes away. There was some in Noah, or shared genes from the fathers. Not uncommon in those times.

So you are admitting that this story in the bible might just be an exaggeration and might not be true?

The bible is composite this is why there are four gospels or accounts of the Christ. Many versions of the end of time. Together they form a picture or align. The entire bible is like this and must be read as such. The truth in it aligns with truth in history, science and nature. Only many read what they want to, as in everything else.
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The Bible does not address every issue.

Your main thesis omits ET intervention and genetic engineering.
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Because they are not intelligent points.
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Okay well can you please atleast try. It should be easy since they arent intelligent points.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36982934


If god truly created a being and let him take over the planet where his most prized creations had just been created than i wouldn't want to meet him. That god would be an evil psychopathic ego driven monster who demands worship in order to be saved from a being he created when he could easily destroy satan or banish him to another universe.

HE did, but not to "take over the planet" rather tend a garden on a planet. Does a black hole demand worship? Or respect… this is worship. HE does not demand. HE "loves" satan as well.

Ooooh but he sacrificed himself for my sins right. Bullshit, he is god, he knew full well that he would not die upon mortal death so how is that a sacrifice? Because he went through a little pain? Big fucking deal people get mauled by tigers everyday...

HE sent a message so that you could be back in the garden, outside of delusion. To tend it as you did before… or are meant to. the Christ realized throughout his time who HE was. It it a small part of the whole that HE suffered physical pain...

Plus if you believe in the original story of adam and eve then you believe that we are all inbred mutants... if you believe that adam and eve were only two of many different first humans than you believe that onlly genetic ancestors are born with original sin...

Those exiled from the garden into the world, are the descendants.
A product of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil is cause and effect. We need to eat to maintain our bodies outside of the garden. This is sin.


You also believe that we are the descendants of noah and his family... there were less than 15 humans on board... you also believe that literally every species of animal on earth are the product of incest since noah only saved 2 of each...

The math works on Noahs progeny, there are many stories found in many cultures of the flood, your interpretation is biased "christian" ideology. Who can say how it truly happened and what was omitted and included in the writings.

 Quoting: M1.618


So tend the garden by tricking humans into sinning? God knowingly created satan and banished him to earth in order to take all the souls who don't worship him to eternal suffering?

Satan seduced man, they had free will as did satan. Satan can not take anything that is not his to start with. Who knows what hell is but it is decrease. God saved man from satan. It is unclear what banish means regarding satan

What do you mean only those exiled from the garden are descendants? Wouldn't that be all of humanity since adam and eve were the first humans on earth?

There are two stories of creation in genesis, one of the world and man, followed by the garden and adam, check it out its cool.

It would still be incest at some point amongst every species on the planet...

In this context the incest goes away. There was some in Noah, or shared genes from the fathers. Not uncommon in those times.

So you are admitting that this story in the bible might just be an exaggeration and might not be true?

The bible is composite this is why there are four gospels or accounts of the Christ. Many versions of the end of time. Together they form a picture or align. The entire bible is like this and must be read as such. The truth in it aligns with truth in history, science and nature. Only many read what they want to, as in everything else.

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You said "HE did, but not to "take over the planet" rather tend a garden on a planet." so therefore you believe that god did in fact create satan and banish him to earth in order to filter humanity correct?

What do you mean the incest goes away?

So is it literal or fictional? It cant be both...
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If god truly created a being and let him take over the planet where his most prized creations had just been created than i wouldn't want to meet him. That god would be an evil psychopathic ego driven monster who demands worship in order to be saved from a being he created when he could easily destroy satan or banish him to another universe


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If god truly created a being and let him take over the planet where his most prized creations had just been created than i wouldn't want to meet him. That god would be an evil psychopathic ego driven monster who demands worship in order to be saved from a being he created when he could easily destroy satan or banish him to another universe.

Ooooh but he sacrificed himself for my sins right. Bullshit, he is god, he knew full well that he would not die upon mortal death so how is that a sacrifice? Because he went through a little pain? Big fucking deal people get mauled by tigers everyday...

Plus if you believe in the original story of adam and eve then you believe that we are all inbred mutants... if you believe that adam and eve were only two of many different first humans than you believe that onlly genetic ancestors are born with original sin...

You also believe that we are the descendants of noah and his family... there were less than 15 humans on board... you also believe that literally every species of animal on earth are the product of incest since noah only saved 2 of each...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25161240


let's just tackle you quesion about incest

how do you think evolution would have worked?

how many mating pairs did that start with?

tic toc
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I don't believe in the full story of evolution but I have never heard anything about two family members of any species mating with eachother being discussed. I thought it states that through billions of years of mutations has lead us to humanity. I think its bullshit since the monkeys didn't die off when they supposedly evolved into humans through millions of years.
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there is no way to get around it, bud

inbreeding happened no matter whether you believe in evolution or not

some of the latest theories on the matter actually propose that inbreeding speeds evolution up
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If god truly created a being and let him take over the planet where his most prized creations had just been created than i wouldn't want to meet him. That god would be an evil psychopathic ego driven monster who demands worship in order to be saved from a being he created when he could easily destroy satan or banish him to another universe.

Ooooh but he sacrificed himself for my sins right. Bullshit, he is god, he knew full well that he would not die upon mortal death so how is that a sacrifice? Because he went through a little pain? Big fucking deal people get mauled by tigers everyday...

Plus if you believe in the original story of adam and eve then you believe that we are all inbred mutants... if you believe that adam and eve were only two of many different first humans than you believe that onlly genetic ancestors are born with original sin...

You also believe that we are the descendants of noah and his family... there were less than 15 humans on board... you also believe that literally every species of animal on earth are the product of incest since noah only saved 2 of each...
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let's just tackle you quesion about incest

how do you think evolution would have worked?

how many mating pairs did that start with?

tic toc
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I don't believe in the full story of evolution but I have never heard anything about two family members of any species mating with eachother being discussed. I thought it states that through billions of years of mutations has lead us to humanity. I think its bullshit since the monkeys didn't die off when they supposedly evolved into humans through millions of years.
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and by the way, people inbreed livestock all of the time

most of the time it is a non issue

it also depends where you are in the world

some places would be astonished
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Okay well can you please atleast try. It should be easy since they arent intelligent points.
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If god truly created a being and let him take over the planet where his most prized creations had just been created than i wouldn't want to meet him. That god would be an evil psychopathic ego driven monster who demands worship in order to be saved from a being he created when he could easily destroy satan or banish him to another universe.

HE did, but not to "take over the planet" rather tend a garden on a planet. Does a black hole demand worship? Or respect… this is worship. HE does not demand. HE "loves" satan as well.

Ooooh but he sacrificed himself for my sins right. Bullshit, he is god, he knew full well that he would not die upon mortal death so how is that a sacrifice? Because he went through a little pain? Big fucking deal people get mauled by tigers everyday...

HE sent a message so that you could be back in the garden, outside of delusion. To tend it as you did before… or are meant to. the Christ realized throughout his time who HE was. It it a small part of the whole that HE suffered physical pain...

Plus if you believe in the original story of adam and eve then you believe that we are all inbred mutants... if you believe that adam and eve were only two of many different first humans than you believe that onlly genetic ancestors are born with original sin...

Those exiled from the garden into the world, are the descendants.
A product of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil is cause and effect. We need to eat to maintain our bodies outside of the garden. This is sin.


You also believe that we are the descendants of noah and his family... there were less than 15 humans on board... you also believe that literally every species of animal on earth are the product of incest since noah only saved 2 of each...

The math works on Noahs progeny, there are many stories found in many cultures of the flood, your interpretation is biased "christian" ideology. Who can say how it truly happened and what was omitted and included in the writings.

 Quoting: M1.618


So tend the garden by tricking humans into sinning? God knowingly created satan and banished him to earth in order to take all the souls who don't worship him to eternal suffering?

Satan seduced man, they had free will as did satan. Satan can not take anything that is not his to start with. Who knows what hell is but it is decrease. God saved man from satan. It is unclear what banish means regarding satan

What do you mean only those exiled from the garden are descendants? Wouldn't that be all of humanity since adam and eve were the first humans on earth?

There are two stories of creation in genesis, one of the world and man, followed by the garden and adam, check it out its cool.

It would still be incest at some point amongst every species on the planet...

In this context the incest goes away. There was some in Noah, or shared genes from the fathers. Not uncommon in those times.

So you are admitting that this story in the bible might just be an exaggeration and might not be true?

The bible is composite this is why there are four gospels or accounts of the Christ. Many versions of the end of time. Together they form a picture or align. The entire bible is like this and must be read as such. The truth in it aligns with truth in history, science and nature. Only many read what they want to, as in everything else.

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You said "HE did, but not to "take over the planet" rather tend a garden on a planet." so therefore you believe that god did in fact create satan and banish him to earth in order to filter humanity correct?

God created satan for HIS pleasure (it means dont know why), to filter humanity is an assumption that I would not make.

What do you mean the incest goes away?

There were other people in the world besides Eve and Adam.

So is it literal or fictional? It cant be both...
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A parable is a story, an account is a observers opinion therefore it is both.

Did you read genesis, you should as the bible is a cool read, you might actually have your own opinion on the subject as opposed to that of others.
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