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Anonymous Coward User ID: 37152335 United States 03/30/2013 07:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's up to the US to push the next button with it's next provocation (if it so desires it) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37130724 I think we should fire a warning shot of 12 fusion warhead-tipped Tomahawk cruise missiles at Poonyang and the gook's bases. Then threaten to get serious. Your anwser to everthing....KILL EVERYBODY...but the bad guys of course... |
EyE Of The Sparrow User ID: 9840520 United States 03/30/2013 07:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | when in doubt CARAMELLDANSEN DOOM AWAY! [The scouts path is a double edge sword] "Know Thy Self" "Thinking is but a movement of the past meeting the present" "Only through discipline can one gain freedom" "The pursuit of the external divides the internal" "Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance" \Glutton for the truth/ |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 37152335 United States 03/30/2013 07:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's up to the US to push the next button with it's next provocation (if it so desires it) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37130724 I think we should fire a warning shot of 12 fusion warhead-tipped Tomahawk cruise missiles at Poonyang and the gook's bases. Then threaten to get serious. Actually I would love to see the US suddenly destroy the entire nation by surprise and remove it from the planet 100%. It is a stain on the planet and causes nothing except troubles. It should be cut out, like a cancer, completely. So your OK with killing a couple million people cause you fall for a bunch of propaganda to cover the bankers asses? MORON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! or should I say ASS...........HAT!!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 37108044 Malaysia 03/30/2013 07:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why did we help kicked the Japs out of China and Korea in WW2?..What a waste and didn't the Bible warned not to give a dime to swine, lest they will turns and trampled over you.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2697574 baha! Guess it depends on which swine you're talking about. All of Asia would be better off under Japanese rule. Unfortunately it will never happen, the future is not with us, it is to China. Guess who copied, rethought & advanced that plan. Think railroads. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 37160897 Japan 03/30/2013 07:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's up to the US to push the next button with it's next provocation (if it so desires it) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37130724 I think we should fire a warning shot of 12 fusion warhead-tipped Tomahawk cruise missiles at Poonyang and the gook's bases. Then threaten to get serious. Actually I would love to see the US suddenly destroy the entire nation by surprise and remove it from the planet 100%. It is a stain on the planet and causes nothing except troubles. It should be cut out, like a cancer, completely. So your OK with killing a couple million people cause you fall for a bunch of propaganda to cover the bankers asses? MORON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! or should I say ASS...........HAT!!! You might feel differently if you live right next door to such kind of motherfuckers. |
Uncle Tardo! User ID: 37158355 United States 03/30/2013 07:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Scenario: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22226572 NK invades the South. A series of U.S military blunders and South Korean intel failures the North steamrolls into Inchon and encircles Seoul, hammering beleagured U.S & SK positions. U.S airpower begins to get the upper-hand but a combination of fierce NK air defences and difficult terrain the battle focuses back on the land war. Within four months the U.S & SK are pushed back and forced to evacuate due to the activation of 4.7 million NK reserves (out of 8.2m). The war returns to the air but by this time it is futile. The South has been lost. Congress puts nuking NK to a vote but Obama warns that such an act would be in breach of America's "no first use" policy. Japan at this time declares a state of emergency and tears up its Pacifist constitution, fearing a nuclear war on the Korean Peninsula. Russia and China go to their version of DEFCON-2, and mobilize their armies. China reassures the West that it will not enter the war but reminds the U.S & SK that if its borders become unstable it has the right to take "defensive action". In the same statement it calls on the world to overturn Japan's decision to undergo full rearmament, citing WW2. Meanwhile, the vote in Congress is shot down by a handful of votes. NK warns the West that it will only use nuclear weapons if an attempt was made to invade the newly-unified Peninsula. Though the vote was defeated, an alternative Bill was enacted authorizing an expeditionary invasion force of 480,000 U.S soldiers (to be joined by 60,000 British, 15,000 Australians and 4,000 New Zealanders). North Korea tests a fourth nuclear bomb, this one 2 megatons, and warns that it will flatten Tokyo if the expeditionary force isn't called off. The U.S/U.K etc has a choice: Sacrifice its precious global economy and millions of innocent civilians - or turn back. What would they do? as if Japans full rearmament was a foregone conclusion? Of course it is but you won't know it. Nuclear Japan is the wild card... and it is about to be played Japan's full-rearmament wouldn't just change the balance of power in Asia. It'd tip the scales globally. They're at least a generation ahead of the West in military and industrial tech, it's just on a relatively small scale so it's not markedly noticed en masse. You put that baby into full-swing (like in WW2) and you've got a Frankenstein beyond comprehension. China's fears are entirely justified. And the Americans are very lucky that Japan is on its side. I sincerely hope that Japan does not acquire the bomb. That kind of weapon combined with their existing and future tech potential would be unthinkable for the status-quo. So I'm gonna watch it all play out in the hills tip.. you want to create the news status quo You set the rule The status quo is about to be reestablished Japan is day's if not hours away from the bomb.. they just didn't assemble it yet....well maybe <know that? Point is... the status quo in Asia is going to change dramatically "It can't happen" [link to htwins.net] No sleep till mars! The greening of mars.. it can be done! Pray for extraterrestrial intervention... We won't make it off world with our political, ideological and religious differences. It's been a fuel for our advancement tho.. It must be done! Been jumping time streams since I don't know when.. |
Colonial Warrior User ID: 25539646 United Kingdom 03/30/2013 07:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anonymous Coward User ID: 37130724 play with this for a while , not being rude or such [link to www.nuclearsecrecy.com] I hear nothing but the rain , grab your gun and bring in the cat |
EyE Of The Sparrow User ID: 9840520 United States 03/30/2013 07:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: The Comedian I think we should fire a warning shot of 12 fusion warhead-tipped Tomahawk cruise missiles at Poonyang and the gook's bases. Then threaten to get serious. Actually I would love to see the US suddenly destroy the entire nation by surprise and remove it from the planet 100%. It is a stain on the planet and causes nothing except troubles. It should be cut out, like a cancer, completely. So your OK with killing a couple million people cause you fall for a bunch of propaganda to cover the bankers asses? MORON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! or should I say ASS...........HAT!!! You might feel differently if you live right next door to such kind of motherfuckers. but you guys have goku right? lets find some dragon balls and save the world! [The scouts path is a double edge sword] "Know Thy Self" "Thinking is but a movement of the past meeting the present" "Only through discipline can one gain freedom" "The pursuit of the external divides the internal" "Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance" \Glutton for the truth/ |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 37152335 United States 03/30/2013 07:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ohh and dont gave me the limey shit and ww2 bull , we both lost because Germany has its power after all . Quoting: Colonial Warrior Hey you are what you made yourselfs...or should I say, let it be made for yourselfs...Maybe thats why WE KICKED YOUR ASSES OUT OF HERE!!!!!!!!! Biggest badist military in the world at the time and YOU LOST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FACE IT!!! ASS.........................................HAT!!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 16747154 United States 03/30/2013 07:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | More like timeline of escalating failure lol.. by making threats like he is, the only thing he is succeeding in doing is making himself look like more of an idiot.. Quoting: STParadigm Which means he might reach a point where he realizes he has to do something (like attack South Korea) to maintain his reputation with his military handlers and save face at the same time. |
Uncle Tardo! User ID: 37158355 United States 03/30/2013 08:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's up to the US to push the next button with it's next provocation (if it so desires it) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37130724 I think we should fire a warning shot of 12 fusion warhead-tipped Tomahawk cruise missiles at Poonyang and the gook's bases. Then threaten to get serious. Have patience ..this requires foreplay! "It can't happen" [link to htwins.net] No sleep till mars! The greening of mars.. it can be done! Pray for extraterrestrial intervention... We won't make it off world with our political, ideological and religious differences. It's been a fuel for our advancement tho.. It must be done! Been jumping time streams since I don't know when.. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 37152335 United States 03/30/2013 08:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Scenario: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22226572 NK invades the South. A series of U.S military blunders and South Korean intel failures the North steamrolls into Inchon and encircles Seoul, hammering beleagured U.S & SK positions. U.S airpower begins to get the upper-hand but a combination of fierce NK air defences and difficult terrain the battle focuses back on the land war. Within four months the U.S & SK are pushed back and forced to evacuate due to the activation of 4.7 million NK reserves (out of 8.2m). The war returns to the air but by this time it is futile. The South has been lost. Congress puts nuking NK to a vote but Obama warns that such an act would be in breach of America's "no first use" policy. Japan at this time declares a state of emergency and tears up its Pacifist constitution, fearing a nuclear war on the Korean Peninsula. Russia and China go to their version of DEFCON-2, and mobilize their armies. China reassures the West that it will not enter the war but reminds the U.S & SK that if its borders become unstable it has the right to take "defensive action". In the same statement it calls on the world to overturn Japan's decision to undergo full rearmament, citing WW2. Meanwhile, the vote in Congress is shot down by a handful of votes. NK warns the West that it will only use nuclear weapons if an attempt was made to invade the newly-unified Peninsula. Though the vote was defeated, an alternative Bill was enacted authorizing an expeditionary invasion force of 480,000 U.S soldiers (to be joined by 60,000 British, 15,000 Australians and 4,000 New Zealanders). North Korea tests a fourth nuclear bomb, this one 2 megatons, and warns that it will flatten Tokyo if the expeditionary force isn't called off. The U.S/U.K etc has a choice: Sacrifice its precious global economy and millions of innocent civilians - or turn back. What would they do? as if Japans full rearmament was a foregone conclusion? Of course it is but you won't know it. Nuclear Japan is the wild card... and it is about to be played Japan's full-rearmament wouldn't just change the balance of power in Asia. It'd tip the scales globally. They're at least a generation ahead of the West in military and industrial tech, it's just on a relatively small scale so it's not markedly noticed en masse. You put that baby into full-swing (like in WW2) and you've got a Frankenstein beyond comprehension. China's fears are entirely justified. And the Americans are very lucky that Japan is on its side. I sincerely hope that Japan does not acquire the bomb. That kind of weapon combined with their existing and future tech potential would be unthinkable for the status-quo. So I'm gonna watch it all play out in the hills tip.. you want to create the news status quo You set the rule The status quo is about to be reestablished Japan is day's if not hours away from the bomb.. they just didn't assemble it yet....well maybe <know that? Point is... the status quo in Asia is going to change dramatically I know for a fact that there are nukes there in Japan...Was in USAF and know...who owns them really doesnt matter now does it??? |
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Marxist User ID: 8141829 New Zealand 03/30/2013 08:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's up to the US to push the next button with it's next provocation (if it so desires it) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37130724 I think we should fire a warning shot of 12 fusion warhead-tipped Tomahawk cruise missiles at Poonyang and the gook's bases. Then threaten to get serious. I dont think the global elite are going to listen to the penniless, envious rabble rousing classes. Washington, Vancouver, Beijing, London, Tokyo, Jeddah, Berlin, Paris, Delhi, Rio, Sydney and all the major players in capital will be monitoring the situation but will not let loose unless they have no choice. These numbskulls have nukes but are fortunately on Beijing's leash. Workers of the World, Unite. You have nothing to lose but your chains! |
Colonial Warrior User ID: 25539646 United Kingdom 03/30/2013 08:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What ever you think , i don't brag about thousands maybe more losing life for a plan Hitler had before ww2 . Well that plan seems to have come to life its called the E.U you lost in Vietnam and pretty much most conflicts after that and you dragged us down with Iraq and afghan The tax payers of this nation are paying for the terrorist to walk free and be untouchable nothing proud about it , just meaningless I hear nothing but the rain , grab your gun and bring in the cat |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 33509203 Canada 03/30/2013 08:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I could see a symbolic attack tomorrow on Easter -- given the high percentage of Christians in South Korea. After the United States, South Korea claims the most Christians per capita in the world. North Korea, as a nation that abhors Christianity may see this as an opportune time. |
Colonial Warrior User ID: 25539646 United Kingdom 03/30/2013 08:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Truth of the fact if the bomb fly's and hits, side arms and all the rest mean jack shit .... smell the coffee Last Edited by Colonial Warrior on 03/30/2013 08:10 PM I hear nothing but the rain , grab your gun and bring in the cat |
Uncle Tardo! User ID: 37158355 United States 03/30/2013 08:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37158355 as if Japans full rearmament was a foregone conclusion? Of course it is but you won't know it. Nuclear Japan is the wild card... and it is about to be played Japan's full-rearmament wouldn't just change the balance of power in Asia. It'd tip the scales globally. They're at least a generation ahead of the West in military and industrial tech, it's just on a relatively small scale so it's not markedly noticed en masse. You put that baby into full-swing (like in WW2) and you've got a Frankenstein beyond comprehension. China's fears are entirely justified. And the Americans are very lucky that Japan is on its side. I sincerely hope that Japan does not acquire the bomb. That kind of weapon combined with their existing and future tech potential would be unthinkable for the status-quo. So I'm gonna watch it all play out in the hills tip.. you want to create the news status quo You set the rule The status quo is about to be reestablished Japan is day's if not hours away from the bomb.. they just didn't assemble it yet....well maybe <know that? Point is... the status quo in Asia is going to change dramatically I know for a fact that there are nukes there in Japan...Was in USAF and know...who owns them really doesnt matter now does it??? Of course! I'm speaking of appearance sake.. it's all under control There are no loose nukes "It can't happen" [link to htwins.net] No sleep till mars! The greening of mars.. it can be done! Pray for extraterrestrial intervention... We won't make it off world with our political, ideological and religious differences. It's been a fuel for our advancement tho.. It must be done! Been jumping time streams since I don't know when.. |
EyE Of The Sparrow User ID: 9840520 United States 03/30/2013 08:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I could see a symbolic attack tomorrow on Easter -- given the high percentage of Christians in South Korea. After the United States, South Korea claims the most Christians per capita in the world. North Korea, as a nation that abhors Christianity may see this as an opportune time. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33509203 pray for peace everyone! there are two sides fighting a spiritual battle unseen to the eye! don't give into to the sound of the war drum Last Edited by TranceEndDance on 03/30/2013 08:16 PM [The scouts path is a double edge sword] "Know Thy Self" "Thinking is but a movement of the past meeting the present" "Only through discipline can one gain freedom" "The pursuit of the external divides the internal" "Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance" \Glutton for the truth/ |
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Uncle Tardo! User ID: 37158355 United States 03/30/2013 08:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Truth of the fact if the bomb fly's and hits, side arms and all the rest mean jack shit .... smell the coffee Quoting: Colonial Warrior One smart one^^^ "It can't happen" [link to htwins.net] No sleep till mars! The greening of mars.. it can be done! Pray for extraterrestrial intervention... We won't make it off world with our political, ideological and religious differences. It's been a fuel for our advancement tho.. It must be done! Been jumping time streams since I don't know when.. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 37152335 United States 03/30/2013 08:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey you are what you made yourselfs...or should I say, let it be made for yourselfs...Maybe thats why WE KICKED YOUR ASSES OUT OF HERE!!!!!!!!! Biggest badist military in the world at the time and YOU LOST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FACE IT!!! ASS.........................................HAT!!! Quoting: Colonial Warrior What ever you think , i don't brag about thousands maybe more losing life for a plan Hitler had before ww2 . Well that plan seems to have come to life its called the E.U you lost in Vietnam and pretty much most conflicts after that and you dragged us down with Iraq and afghan The tax payers of this nation are paying for the terrorist to walk free and be untouchable nothing proud about it , just meaningless You just dont get it...WW2 was just like whats happening now...covering the bankers asses...WAKE UP!!! Lets see, the US was in the great depression and needed and enemy...Germany fit the bill...The bankers funded both sides...and many of your countryman died to save the money junkies....Are you going to let it happen again?? or WAKE UP!! Im betting you will let it happen again...sorry, your a stupid fuck!!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 16790717 Brazil 03/30/2013 08:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is all this talking about Japan? I'm sure that, given time, China is going to surpass Japan technologically... its not like Japan is some unstoppable force of destruction and innovation. China is getting there (of course they are stealing a lot of tech ultimately, but I'm sure once they become a somewhat developed nation they will start to innovate). Of course, if Japan rearms itself the game will change dramatically, but I'm sure you guys will not dominate Asia anymore, anytime soon, since the chinese awakening. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 16747154 United States 03/30/2013 08:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's really interesting. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26746472 NK has increased the level of threats, aswell as the rate at which they are delivered. Things must really be bad in NK now, considering that the posture they have taken demands some kind of face-saving concession from SK & US for them to stand down. Ie, if they fail att getting what they want, they have to attack. I seriously doubt the regime can keep a lid on things if they fail to get something from all of this sabre rattling and posturing, they have to attack, or the regime falls, and what happens then? Do we get something worse? I am worried that NK simply has talked itself into a war. I think you've hit the nail on the head here. China has cut off NK's supply of oil. That means that if NK cannot wrest further concessions (i.e. money and food aid) from South Korea and the US, the Pyongyang regime really has only two options: collapse or fight. Since capitulation is not acceptable to the regime, it will fight in an attempt to survive. In other words, go down swinging. I think the US and SK would tell Kimmie to go piss up a rope if it wasn't for the fact that NK artillery can drop 500,000 artillery rounds per hour on Seoul, resulting in untold devastation, the destruction of South Korea's economy, and probably hundreds of thousands of deaths. To say nothing of the massive numbers of injured people who will quickly sap all of South Korea's available medical resources. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 19004483 United States 03/30/2013 08:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's a list of of events that have taken place within the DPRK in the last few months... Quoting: CalmShock Dec 12, 2012: North Korea successfully launches three-stage rocket and places satellite in orbit. Seoul, Washington and UN condemn launch as a covert ballistic missile test. Jan 22, 2013: UN Security Council passes a resolution condemning North Korea's rocket launch and tightens existing sanctions. Jan 24: North Korea's National Defense Commission says it will proceed with a "high-level nuclear test". Jan 25: North Korea threatens "physical counter-measures" against rival South Korea. Feb 12: North Korea conducts a third nuclear test. Feb 26: North Korean leader Kim Jong-Un oversees a live-fire artillery drill aimed at simulating an "actual war". March 1: South Korea and US launch annual "Foal Eagle" joint military exercise. March 5: North Korea says it will scrap armistice that ended the 1950-53 Korean War. March 7: North Korea threatens a "pre-emptive" nuclear strike against the United States and South Korea. The United Nations adopts tougher sanctions on Pyongyang over its nuclear test. March 8: North Korea announces the voiding of non-aggression pacts with South Korea and severs a government hotline with Seoul. Kim Jong-Un tours frontline island units and vows "all-out war". March 11: South Korea and US launch annual "Key Resolve" joint military exercise. March 12: Kim Jong-Un threatens to "wipe out" South Korean island of Baengnyeong. March 15: Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel announces plans to bolster US mainland defenses against a possible North Korean missile strike. March 18: US Deputy Defense Secretary Ashton Carter promises to provide South Korea with every military resource under the US nuclear umbrella. March 19: US publicises flights by nuclear-capable B-52 bombers over South Korea as part of "Foal Eagle" exercise. March 21: North Korean army threatens strikes against US military bases in Japan and Guam in response to B-52 flights. March 22: South Korea and US sign new pact providing for a joint military response even to low-level provocation by North Korea. March 26: South Korean President Park Geun-Hye warns North Korea its only "path to survival" lies in abandoning nuclear and missile programmes. North Korea's military puts its "strategic" rocket units on a war footing, with fresh threat to strike targets on the US mainland, Hawaii and Guam and South Korea. March 27: North Korea cuts last remaining military hotline with South Korea. March 28: The United States deploys two nuclear-capable B-2 stealth bombers on "deterrence" missions over South Korea. Hagel says US ready for "any eventuality." March 29: Kim Jong-Un, vowing to "settle accounts," orders missile units to prepare to strike US mainland and military bases in the Pacific. March 30: North Korea declares it had entered into a "state of war" with South Korea. They're at the end of the road. They've made a declaration of war against the South and as you can see within the timeline, under new leadership they've been keeping more of their promises. Why now though? Why all of a sudden? Look no further then China. WW3 will begin as a war by proxy. All the superpowers have their own pieces to play before they get directly involved themselves. This will definately make people see how real this is and how it could actually lead to the war of all wars. Americans are weak, and soft, and complacent. ww1 was started with a low level minion being shot off a bike. |
Uncle Tardo! User ID: 37158355 United States 03/30/2013 08:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is all this talking about Japan? I'm sure that, given time, China is going to surpass Japan technologically... its not like Japan is some unstoppable force of destruction and innovation. China is getting there (of course they are stealing a lot of tech ultimately, but I'm sure once they become a somewhat developed nation they will start to innovate). Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16790717 Of course, if Japan rearms itself the game will change dramatically, but I'm sure you guys will not dominate Asia anymore, anytime soon, since the chinese awakening. Chinese awakening is at least 100 years in the future Japan is the pimp landlord Ya'll just don't know it yet... "It can't happen" [link to htwins.net] No sleep till mars! The greening of mars.. it can be done! Pray for extraterrestrial intervention... We won't make it off world with our political, ideological and religious differences. It's been a fuel for our advancement tho.. It must be done! Been jumping time streams since I don't know when.. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30477427 United States 03/30/2013 08:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No problem :) I don't think the US mainland is under threat, not yet at least. It would be too suspicious if the DPRK only made threats against the American military presence in the region (Japan/Guam) and not the US as a whole, so in my opinion it's just posturing to better serve Chinas purpose. It's unlikely China wants America to get bombed... They make way too much money off the states. China knows we can never repay our debt, that we at some point will default. Then they will be holding worthless paper. They need us out of the way so they can expand into Asia. So if N. Korea does it, it's not "their fault", so we can not blame them, but we will be effectively crippled. If China supplies the money, N. Korea could have gotten old ballistic missiles from Russia, and nukes too. Remember, N. Korea needs to develop their own weapon versions for Arms sales to other rogue nations, thus the testing. This does not mean it is the only thing that they have on hand! Our debt? |