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4/8/2006 11:21 PM
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Hersh: Joint Chiefs Opposed to Iran Nuke Attack, Members of Congress Gung-Ho
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A new report by Seymour Hersh finds that senior Bush administration officials are developing plans for a massive attack on Iran which could include nuclear weapons. Hersh points out that the Joint Chiefs of Staff — a panel of the highest-ranking military officials from each branch of the U.S. armed services — are strenuously opposed to the plan, so much so that some have threatened to resign if it goes forward:"
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D. Bunker  
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4/8/2006 11:24 PM
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No coupe.
"...are strenuously opposed to the plan, so much so that some have threatened to resign if it goes forward:"
They will gain much attention and cause many issues with execution of the plan by doing this alone. You do not understand how the military works. |
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Anonymous Coward
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4/8/2006 11:26 PM | | Re: joint chiefs threaten to resign over plans to nuke iran | Quote |
nuking iran would be an unimaginably bad idea. |
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Anonymous Coward
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4/8/2006 11:28 PM | | Re: joint chiefs threaten to resign over plans to nuke iran | Quote |
BURN THEM BEFORE THEY BURN US. RULES OF THE GAME IF YOU WANT TO STAY ON TOP!!! |
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Anonymous Coward
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4/8/2006 11:29 PM | | Re: joint chiefs threaten to resign over plans to nuke iran | Quote |
that only works when theres only two countries with nukes |
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DaJavoo
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4/8/2006 11:30 PM
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The petrifying part is that both GWB and Amedinejad have messianic complexes.
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Anonymous Coward
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4/8/2006 11:30 PM | | Re: joint chiefs threaten to resign over plans to nuke iran | Quote |
well if you take Hersh at face value, and I do because he has correctly exposed quite a few things in the past few years, including saying that a "cult" has taken over the Us Government....which is absolutely correct....so if you take him at face value, then that implies quite a bit of dissention. Risigning is tacitly telling your troops not to follow an illegal order. I personally don't see a coup, mainly since the former head of the joint chiefs just went to sit on the board of Northrop Grumman.
As far as me not knowing how the military works, you'd be surprised. |
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D. Bunker
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4/8/2006 11:33 PM
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OK, I will retract the military statement. A coupe is not necessary. There are other legal means available.
The real threat at the moment is Iran getting the idea that they should strike first in a 'use it or lose it' mind frame. This will allow the plan to go forth without opposition. |
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Rev. Star Gazer
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4/8/2006 11:35 PM | | Re: joint chiefs threaten to resign over plans to nuke iran | Quote |
Good point D.B.! 
"The lunatic is on the grass
The lunatic is on the grass
Remembering games and daisy chains and laughs
Got to keep the loonies on the path..." |
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Anonymous Coward
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4/8/2006 11:35 PM | | Re: joint chiefs threaten to resign over plans to nuke iran | Quote |
Hey, I think there saving the best for last. Afganistand, Iraq done. Iran next. Guess who is in the middle. Syria after! |
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Anonymous Coward
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4/8/2006 11:37 PM | | Re: joint chiefs threaten to resign over plans to nuke iran | Quote |
Think of all this nuking Iran stuff this way.
Notice that not one of the stories has an offical comfirmation. IE: the prez or high members of the government coming out and saying "Yep... One of our top ideas is we're gonna nuke Iran."
Now I'm 100% sure there is a plan for using nukes on Iran along with about 20 other ones not using nukes.
While there is no offical confirmation, there's also no offical denial either.
Why?
Because who's reading this stuff?
Everyone is right up to the leaders of Iran.
It's a scare tactic. It's meant to rattle Iran's leaders and get them back to reality so to speak and negotiate with the EU, Russia and China.
If it doesn't work the U.S. can always take the stand of "Hey!! We never aid we were gonna use nukes on Iran. You didn't get that news offically from us."
Then again...maybe I'm wrong and we are gonna nuke em. |
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Anonymous Coward
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4/8/2006 11:42 PM | | Re: joint chiefs threaten to resign over plans to nuke iran | Quote |
I agree that is a definite possibility. This story is running in every corner of the world right now.
Iran definitely has to be on their highest state of alert but I would bet that the Iranian government has made an agreement with Russia and China not to act first. the problem is that the US could send in a fake first strike to provoke a first strike out of Iran.
The war is definitely going to happen though, unless the military says they are going to disoobey a civilian order, which is a coup. The Joint Chiefs take an oath to defend the US constitution. They have a responsibility to remove from office a civilian leadership which is subverting the US constitution or issuing illegal or immoral orders. It's all in there....Resigning is a polite way of saying I will not follow an illegal or immoral order. That implies to the troops they shouldn't either. |
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Anonymous Coward
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4/8/2006 11:43 PM | | Re: joint chiefs threaten to resign over plans to nuke iran | Quote |
Just like in Aliens the movie, the only way to get rid of them is to nuke them from orbit. These fanatics will not cease until they accomplish there goal to rule the world. |
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Anonymous Coward
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4/8/2006 11:45 PM | | Re: joint chiefs threaten to resign over plans to nuke iran | Quote |
ah I see Dick Cheney is here tonight. |
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Omega
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4/8/2006 11:47 PM | | Re: joint chiefs threaten to resign over plans to nuke iran | Quote |
D.Bunker is correct. And another thing, you'all don't understand the US military has op plans to nuke everyone, they constantly wargame this and update thier datasets.
This is nothing new, the US and Russia have been doing it since the cold war.
This tit for tat media exchange between Iran and the US is merely saber rattling for the masses. The real deal is the US could glass Iran with nary a trouble, and there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it, with the possible exception of the Russians.
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Anonymous Coward
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4/8/2006 11:53 PM | | Re: joint chiefs threaten to resign over plans to nuke iran | Quote |
wrong. read the plan being executed. "a clean break, securing the realm". Written by Doug Feith and Richard Perle in 1996 for netanyahu..
Focus: Gunning for Iran
Sunday Times - Times Online
"“You can see the shape of the speech the president will give,” said Richard Perle, a leading American neo-conservative. “He will cite the Iranians’ past pattern of deception, their support for terrorism and the unacceptable menace the nation would present if it had nuclear weapons. “The attack would be over before anybody knew what had happened. The only question would be what the Iranians might do in retaliation.”"
[link to www.timesonline.co.uk] |
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D. Bunker
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4/8/2006 11:55 PM
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somebody on the fringe
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4/8/2006 11:57 PM | | Re: joint chiefs threaten to resign over plans to nuke iran | Quote |
This tit for tat media exchange between Iran and the US is merely saber rattling for the masses. The real deal is the US could glass Iran with nary a trouble, and there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it, with the possible exception of the Russians.
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I say we get the fuckin show on the road!!
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somebody on the fringe
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4/8/2006 11:58 PM | | Re: joint chiefs threaten to resign over plans to nuke iran | Quote |
By the way, Omega, and DB are absolutly right. |
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Anonymous Coward
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4/9/2006 12:00 AM | | Re: joint chiefs threaten to resign over plans to nuke iran | Quote |
God will not allow the USA to attack Iran |
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Anonymous Coward
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4/9/2006 12:01 AM | | Re: joint chiefs threaten to resign over plans to nuke iran | Quote |
well the neoconservatives have told everyone what they're going to do, so anyone who doesn't know just isn't paying attention. They said they are going to reshape the mideast (aka greater israel from the tigress to the euphrates) and change history. Securing the realm laid it out. First Iraq, then Iran, then Syria, then Saudi Arabia falls apart on it's own. Israel realizes it will start WWIII. It would be more fun to debate with people who understood the basics of what is going on.
Anyway, This is the only quote you need to know. Look up gissin if you aren't familiar.
WWIII Is Coming 'Whether They Like It Or Not': Top Sharon Aide
Arizona Daily Star
Tucson, Saturday, April 27, 2002
By STEPHANIE INNES
"TUCSON The terror attacks on Sept. 11 and extreme turmoil in the Middle East point to one thing World War III, a spokesman for Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said Friday during a visit to Tucson. "We've been fighting a war for the past 18 months, which is the harbinger of World War III. The world is going to fight, whether they like it or not. I'm sure,'' Ra'anan Gissin, a senior adviser to Sharon, said in an interview Friday." |
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Omega
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4/9/2006 12:01 AM | | Re: joint chiefs threaten to resign over plans to nuke iran | Quote |
[link to www.globalsecurity.org]
Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science.
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Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner.
Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide.
Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice. |
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Anonymous Coward
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4/9/2006 12:01 AM | | Re: joint chiefs threaten to resign over plans to nuke iran | Quote |
Bush Co is getting very desperate to win oil fields before the big one hits. They certainly would authorize using nuclear weapons to win their agenda but the military would never go along with such blind lust. They have already fully rebeled against Team Bush and are only considering how to get out of Iraq without complete chaos. More than likely seperate states for the different religions. |
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D. Bunker
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4/9/2006 12:09 AM
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"It would be more fun to debate with people who understood the basics of what is going on."
What is it you feel we do not know? |
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Askakido
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4/9/2006 12:18 AM
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Omega, yes, I see this as a Neo-Cold War. That is evident from the recent US addition of a new nuclear ally, India. It is there with short missle flight times to both China and Russia. If we aid also India's space exploration programs even dreams of developing their own manned space missions, then they do become a heavy power ally, especailly in light of their population.
It is as if the US has added a nuclear Knight to the chess board called India. Question is, will that Knight do the US's bidding.
What then of Pakistan. Smaller nukes, smaller population, but if the US were to successfully add them too as a Nuke Knight having laid its swords at the US feet in allegiance, then we have both Russia and China entrapped with nuclear capable powers nearly on their borders.
At one time we had based our Jupiter and Atlas based IRBM's on Turkish soil for the same reason, but at no time did we encourage Turkey to build their own nukes nor nuclear power industry.
The Joing Chiefs resigning also leave the room for the President to appoint new ones more in line with his and Rummy's views and policies. The troops will in a year after such replacement adhere for the most part to the new chiefs. Within three years and a Cheney or Hillary or McCain, or Kerry presidency, the troops will toe the line with the new chiefs. It is their job and duty to uphold the US Constitution or at least to the best of their knowledge and understanding but what happens when that knowledge has been feed a diet of deception pertaining to interpretations of the Constitution so that Error then becomes "true doctrine" and understanding is now in league with the false Constitutional doctrine?
As for Joint Chief "plans" as someone here said, they have in place the "plans" to nuke every square inch of this planet as contingency plans.. i.e., if required just to win the war for the USA. |
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D. Bunker
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4/9/2006 12:25 AM
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Omega
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4/9/2006 12:26 AM | | Re: joint chiefs threaten to resign over plans to nuke iran | Quote |
All excellent points Askakido. I probably need to explain here I don't agree with their plans, am just observing militarily from a cold detached viewpoint.
Of course the whole ball of bax is very complicated to decipher, consider the russian question. These guys have a dog in this hunt and frankly are not to be trifled with, for some background on this, read J.R Nyquist's works and visit The Final Phase Forum. I am pretty sure you are already aware in this regard.
BTW did you ever check out Civil War II????
Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science.
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Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner.
Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide.
Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice. |
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Askakido
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4/9/2006 12:29 AM
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<<It would be more fun to debate with people who understood the basics of what is going on. >>
If by basics you mean the doctrine of the ablitiy of mankind to willingly and knowingly fulfill what some interpret to be the understanding of Bibilcal prophecy in the sense deliberately bringing to pass what THEY think the Scriptures say is to happen ala Tim LeHaye's Late Great Planet Earth and other such Rev. Sun Yung Moon sponsered "prophecy interpretations" and those of the 1850's Apostles of Cambrige and the SPR etc, vein, then yes, you are correct.
The essence of such basics is that there will be a the appearance of a false anti-christ before the appearance of at real anti-christ. This is an intrigue of the nature of double or even triple agents and their corresponding pys-ops methods and doctrines.
The point all such "docrine of devils" seem to miss, is that in the "religious, Judeo-Christian" scenario, it is God that is supreme and soverign and he does not need or want man's efforts to pull of what he has unconditionallly mandated that he will bring it to pass.
However, many have bought into the Evangelicalists doctrines of the "second coming" and all the "end time signs" and believe that it must be them that bring it to pass.
Many of these "believers" are in middle and higher ranks within the military. And there in lay the potential for dire straights. |
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Askakido
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4/9/2006 12:32 AM
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Omega, am half way through Civil War II... very interesting and insightful.
DB, what is your take on possible ground force movements should an attack from either side Iran/Iraq take place. Is southern Iraq a likely point?
Omega, "for some background on this, read J.R Nyquist's works and visit The Final Phase Forum" Got a link for the Final Phase Forum (I have over 20 web pages open at the moment and my machine is like bogging down. LOL)
Nyquist's information theory plays heavily into Game Theory. What appears to be static can infact be quadature amplitude multiplex modulation of information. It becomes even deeper static and random "chatter" when the modulation method is quaterion or higher dimension encoding. Looks like pure noise. Which makes reading the sigint and humint information far more difficult to unscramble. |
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Anonymous Coward
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4/9/2006 12:34 AM | | Re: joint chiefs threaten to resign over plans to nuke iran | Quote |
it must be them that bring it to pass
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Miscreant
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4/9/2006 12:34 AM | | Re: joint chiefs threaten to resign over plans to nuke iran | Quote |
"The point all such "docrine of devils" seem to miss, is that in the "religious, Judeo-Christian" scenario, it is God that is supreme and soverign and he does not need or want man's efforts to pull of what he has unconditionallly mandated that he will bring it to pass."
And that's the simple truth. Everything else is just pagentry.
99.999% of what affects our reality will be undetectable by our senses. Man must learn to think for himself rather than follow blindly what he has been taught.
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