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"Spare the ROD, Spoil the Child" Myth!

 
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A couple swats to a child's bottom is sometimes needed, to immediately correct serious problem. Children who run out into the road DIE. Children who are swatted the first time they try, tend to live.

A swat to the bottom with an open hand is not a beating. It will not turn a child into a vicious monsters.

But if you do not discipline your child, they will turn into vicious monsters, which society will have to care for as they serve their jail sentences.
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5 *s op! ive never believed in the crap, never will
*please if you haven't already, accept jesus as your lord and savior. the time is now.
*being awake is awesome
*remember, being awake means nothing if you dont have Christ
leedle leedle,leedle lee.
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Loving discipline need not include corporal punishment.

Wishy-washy negligence that includes NO discipline is what spoils the child.

The spoiled brats have parents that are
1. too lazy to discipline at all
2. fearful of losing the love of their kids, thus don't discipline at all. These tend to be clingy, needy, self-absorbed parents who refuse to see their children as autonomous beings or
3. truly do not care about the well-being of the child.

Often corporal punishment is dealt out of pure rage and anger that has nothing to do with the well-being of the kid, but rather the Ego of the parent.
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The "Rod" was what Knowledge was preserved on. Give your child Knowledge OR spoil (or care for it when it's old) the Child when it is older.

I learned of this too late in parenthood as my children were grown, It was explained to me by what many would call a "Jew" but he called himself a Hebrew......I made a deal to purchase a firearm about 6 years ago and it was a face to face purchase on the far northside of our County and well we got to talking about children and he got to laughing about the the often misqouted non existent Christian term "Spare the Rod, Spoil the Child". He explained that Hebrews give their Children Knowledge, NOT a Beating. Search it out for yourself, there is [link to www.helium.com] a link to start you on your journey. In addition, "Thou shalt not Kill" is also a LIE, "Thou shalt NOT Murder" is correct BUT Murder and Killing are not the same BUT they have ONE thing in common DEATH! The reasons and motivations are very different from each other.

ETA: I bought the firearm and he bought it back from me sometime later.......Our Father truly works in mysterious ways!

Christ is not on a Cross.........He has Arisen!
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So then why do Hebrews practice mutilation of the most sensitive part of a baby boy's penis? Of course, silly OT-obsessed Christians like 7DA Kellog were responsible for introducing this custom to the US, and these Victorian-age-influenced Christians were especially fond of abusing their children by means of the "rod"....
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The "Rod" was what Knowledge was preserved on. Give your child Knowledge OR spoil (or care for it when it's old) the Child when it is older.

I learned of this too late in parenthood as my children were grown, It was explained to me by what many would call a "Jew" but he called himself a Hebrew......I made a deal to purchase a firearm about 6 years ago and it was a face to face purchase on the far northside of our County and well we got to talking about children and he got to laughing about the the often misqouted non existent Christian term "Spare the Rod, Spoil the Child". He explained that Hebrews give their Children Knowledge, NOT a Beating. Search it out for yourself, there is [link to www.helium.com] a link to start you on your journey. In addition, "Thou shalt not Kill" is also a LIE, "Thou shalt NOT Murder" is correct BUT Murder and Killing are not the same BUT they have ONE thing in common DEATH! The reasons and motivations are very different from each other.

ETA: I bought the firearm and he bought it back from me sometime later.......Our Father truly works in mysterious ways!

Christ is not on a Cross.........He has Arisen!
 Quoting: AdHocBOHICA


Either you drink the cup or you don't. We are not allowed to kill anyone. Jesus himself said no more on this in the scripture. I suggest that you empty your cup and drink the cup of the christ.


As for discipline, I suggest that you rebuke, correct, encourage, and expose. If not, a sinner is spoiled. As for hebrews, they are playing the same game.
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My father used corporal punishment on me and my brother and we are both successful, well adjust human beings. My mother would not allow my father to ever lay afinger on "her little princess". Now my sister is a drug addicted whore that fucks black men for drugs.

Go figure.
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He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes. Proverbs 13:24

^^^^
Truth!!!
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No Comments?
 Quoting: AdHocBOHICA


What is there to say? Your false teaching doesn't warrant much of a comment...
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He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes. Proverbs 13:24

^^^^
Truth!!!
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If you loved your child the absolute last thing you'd be doing is physically harming said child.

My father used corporal punishment on me and my brother and we are both successful, well adjust human beings. My mother would not allow my father to ever lay afinger on "her little princess". Now my sister is a drug addicted whore that fucks black men for drugs.

Go figure.
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Well that's all a matter of opinion, your opinion and you've already admitted to being physically, mentally and possibly sexually abused as a child so I doubt we can take your word for it as you could be a little emotionally unstable and from the sounds of it suffering a mild case of stockholm syndrome for your abuser could even be PTSD.
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beating children - using brute force to indoctrinate sheeple into the cult of law and authority - its the evil Jewish way to establish dominance

when these abused children grow up the become cops and beat hippies

praise Yahwey
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I really like this interpretation. Jesus Loves the little children. Thanks, OP hf
I do believe that children need to be disciplined when they do wrong in order to LEARN what is correct and what is wrong behavior, but beating a child is not the correct way to teach them Godliness. Spanking I think is ok if it is not done out of anger and it is not excessive. There are many ways to discipline a child including taking away play time like video games and electronics. Making them write a book report if they act up. The key is you must discipline your child from the time that they are little or else they will assume that they are in charge.
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The Good Shepherds of ancient Egypt bore the "rod and staff"!

The rod represents law and discipline.

The staff represents love and nurture.

Moses only bore the rod, the law. Where was the love?
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Ya, my daughter in law raises her kids by the philosphy that you shouldnt punish them, just medicate them and scream shut the fuck up at them all the time, it dont work real good. when they come over to my house, they know I wont put up with their shit...yet they still love me...spare the spanking=equals rebellious wild unmanagable children that get kicked out of school and are constantly in trouble..you could say it just the one kid, but the other two are the same. Beat that ass when its needed
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Yes...teach them right from wrong and then beat their ass... 5a
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I used to wholeheartedly believe that spanking was correct... until we started our family and I spent my pregnancy asking God how He wanted us to discipline (because I didn't want to arrogantly believe I was correct in my beliefs, I wanted to actually ask). He told me that He is a perfect Father and He doesn't hit us. He told me that no place else in society is hitting okay. None of us would agree that a cop giving us a ticket for speeding and then also hitting us is okay. No one would agree that it is okay for a husband to hit a wife. Yet we have decided that hitting the most impressionable, damageable humans on the planet is okay. I understand that there are those 6 verses, but I have learned with the Bible that if I am reading something that sounds like it contradicts the rest of the Bible, then the problem is my understanding of it, not the Bible. I will not determine my entire disciplinary code on 6 short verses. Sure spanking "works". The fact that it works has nothing to do with it (torture works in controlling people, too). My children are loving, respectful, and very in love with God. When they disobey they understand that it is GOD that they have sinned against, not their parents. It is a blessing that when they periodically lose their patience with each other and want to hit, I can tell them I have never hit them and therefore they can control themselves as well.

And to the "successful, well adjusted" man who verbally ripped apart his sister. In just a couple of sentences you showed enormous amounts of hatred and bitterness toward your sister and your mother. Don't kid yourself, get that cleared up with God.

This topic is touchy, because people tend to get defensive as none of us want to be doing the wrong thing, especially with our children. The point is let us find the Truth.
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I used the rod on my children, use to beat them till their ass's turned red, sometimes wiped them for hours, they both turned out good adults but they never came around and see me much, last time I saw them was 5 years ago but they did turn out good so I know I did the right thing..

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All I really take away from this is hitting works for some children and for others it doesn't.

One thing I've noticed is black parents as a whole hit their children more than white people. And black children turn out as a whole more violent.

You're basically teaching your children that if someone makes you mad it's ok to respond with violence. I really don't think I could even hit a child of mine but i don't have kids....maybe if it was a little demon shit head.

Anyway since this site was purchased did we need a new divisive issue? I don't recall seeing this topic much over the past 2 years, then its been all over the past few days.
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It is a myth. When as a child I had heard about the rod from the bible, my teacher had explained that this rod was the staff of the shepherd that had led the sheep. I was in 3rd or 4th grade. My first thought was...I would not be following nor looking up to something that could beat me. I never believed in that myth either.

When I was growing up my father made a paddle 1inch thick wood, about 18inches long by 6inches wide. We would get beat with that. Well one day that paddle disappeared. My father & mother could not find the paddle. When I was 11 years old, I hid that paddle. No one found it. My parents never thought to accuse me, as I was viewed as the "Angel" of the family. I was smart enough not to confess.

Society & religion uses a propaganda book, called the bible. There is a quote, "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false and by the rulers as useful", Lucius Annaeus Seneca.

Fact is I have raised 2 children and in all the time I have only spanked the oldest once. I am not into violence. It does not for the children other than the desire to play it forward. A good parent finds the currency of the child and takes that away as punishment...for example my son loves video games, so I take that away...or the cell phone, take that away.

Beating on your children merely furthers the cause of violence. Speaking to your children, showing them by example...your own actions speak volumes to the children.
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All I really take away from this is hitting works for some children and for others it doesn't.

One thing I've noticed is black parents as a whole hit their children more than white people. And black children turn out as a whole more violent.

You're basically teaching your children that if someone makes you mad it's ok to respond with violence. I really don't think I could even hit a child of mine but i don't have kids....maybe if it was a little demon shit head.

Anyway since this site was purchased did we need a new divisive issue? I don't recall seeing this topic much over the past 2 years, then its been all over the past few days.
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NEW Divisive issue? WE? is who my younger friend, I started this topic for the REASON that you replied......to get us to think and understand. Thanks for visiting, what about the other part of the topic regarding MURDER and KILLING? That is very important if not MORE important. Smelled PEOPLE DEATH Lately? Peace and thanks my friend.
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He will rule nations with an iron rod, rod is prophecy
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the original text says spare the ephod not rod. Shitty translation sadly. Ephod is a shepherds staff, you catch the sheeps leg with the crook- you do not beat a sheep with it.
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The ephod is a vest such as the one the temple priests wore, or the ammunition vest a modern infantryman wears.
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It is a myth. When as a child I had heard about the rod from the bible, my teacher had explained that this rod was the staff of the shepherd that had led the sheep. I was in 3rd or 4th grade. My first thought was...I would not be following nor looking up to something that could beat me. I never believed in that myth either.

When I was growing up my father made a paddle 1inch thick wood, about 18inches long by 6inches wide. We would get beat with that. Well one day that paddle disappeared. My father & mother could not find the paddle. When I was 11 years old, I hid that paddle. No one found it. My parents never thought to accuse me, as I was viewed as the "Angel" of the family. I was smart enough not to confess.

Society & religion uses a propaganda book, called the bible. There is a quote, "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false and by the rulers as useful", Lucius Annaeus Seneca.

Fact is I have raised 2 children and in all the time I have only spanked the oldest once. I am not into violence. It does not for the children other than the desire to play it forward. A good parent finds the currency of the child and takes that away as punishment...for example my son loves video games, so I take that away...or the cell phone, take that away.

Beating on your children merely furthers the cause of violence. Speaking to your children, showing them by example...your own actions speak volumes to the children.
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clappa






I raised four to adulthood and they their own children. There is more to say about it all but suffice to say their upbringing was successful.
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I used to wholeheartedly believe that spanking was correct... until we started our family and I spent my pregnancy asking God how He wanted us to discipline (because I didn't want to arrogantly believe I was correct in my beliefs, I wanted to actually ask). He told me that He is a perfect Father and He doesn't hit us. He told me that no place else in society is hitting okay. None of us would agree that a cop giving us a ticket for speeding and then also hitting us is okay. No one would agree that it is okay for a husband to hit a wife. Yet we have decided that hitting the most impressionable, damageable humans on the planet is okay. I understand that there are those 6 verses, but I have learned with the Bible that if I am reading something that sounds like it contradicts the rest of the Bible, then the problem is my understanding of it, not the Bible. I will not determine my entire disciplinary code on 6 short verses. Sure spanking "works". The fact that it works has nothing to do with it (torture works in controlling people, too). My children are loving, respectful, and very in love with God. When they disobey they understand that it is GOD that they have sinned against, not their parents. It is a blessing that when they periodically lose their patience with each other and want to hit, I can tell them I have never hit them and therefore they can control themselves as well.

And to the "successful, well adjusted" man who verbally ripped apart his sister. In just a couple of sentences you showed enormous amounts of hatred and bitterness toward your sister and your mother. Don't kid yourself, get that cleared up with God.

This topic is touchy, because people tend to get defensive as none of us want to be doing the wrong thing, especially with our children. The point is let us find the Truth.
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Good advice...he crucified his kid for acting up... wtf
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I used to wholeheartedly believe that spanking was correct... until we started our family and I spent my pregnancy asking God how He wanted us to discipline (because I didn't want to arrogantly believe I was correct in my beliefs, I wanted to actually ask). He told me that He is a perfect Father and He doesn't hit us. He told me that no place else in society is hitting okay. None of us would agree that a cop giving us a ticket for speeding and then also hitting us is okay. No one would agree that it is okay for a husband to hit a wife. Yet we have decided that hitting the most impressionable, damageable humans on the planet is okay. I understand that there are those 6 verses, but I have learned with the Bible that if I am reading something that sounds like it contradicts the rest of the Bible, then the problem is my understanding of it, not the Bible. I will not determine my entire disciplinary code on 6 short verses. Sure spanking "works". The fact that it works has nothing to do with it (torture works in controlling people, too). My children are loving, respectful, and very in love with God. When they disobey they understand that it is GOD that they have sinned against, not their parents. It is a blessing that when they periodically lose their patience with each other and want to hit, I can tell them I have never hit them and therefore they can control themselves as well.

And to the "successful, well adjusted" man who verbally ripped apart his sister. In just a couple of sentences you showed enormous amounts of hatred and bitterness toward your sister and your mother. Don't kid yourself, get that cleared up with God.

This topic is touchy, because people tend to get defensive as none of us want to be doing the wrong thing, especially with our children. The point is let us find the Truth.
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Good advice...he crucified his kid for acting up... wtf
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I will take your BAIT,


YOU and I CRUCIFIED Him.....He came here of his own free will for only ONE SPECIFIC PERSON........the one who ACCEPTED his payment for the debt that could not be paid by the the ONE who was liable for the Debt, Me and You, potentially..........He came here for just those who agree they cannot pay their debt. YOU and ME.
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The "Rod" was what Knowledge was preserved on. Give your child Knowledge OR spoil (or care for it when it's old) the Child when it is older.

I learned of this too late in parenthood as my children were grown, It was explained to me by what many would call a "Jew" but he called himself a Hebrew......I made a deal to purchase a firearm about 6 years ago and it was a face to face purchase on the far northside of our County and well we got to talking about children and he got to laughing about the the often misqouted non existent Christian term "Spare the Rod, Spoil the Child". He explained that Hebrews give their Children Knowledge, NOT a Beating. Search it out for yourself, there is [link to www.helium.com] a link to start you on your journey. In addition, "Thou shalt not Kill" is also a LIE, "Thou shalt NOT Murder" is correct BUT Murder and Killing are not the same BUT they have ONE thing in common DEATH! The reasons and motivations are very different from each other.

ETA: I bought the firearm and he bought it back from me sometime later.......Our Father truly works in mysterious ways!

Christ is not on a Cross.........He has Arisen!
 Quoting: AdHocBOHICA



OP, I'm sorry, but your Hebrew friend either does not believe the old testament, or he doesn't know it.


Proverbs 13:24 (KJV)
He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth (disciplines;corrects) him betimes.

Original Hebrew word for rod is shebet

It means:
1.)rod, staff, branch, offshoot, club, sceptre, tribe

a) rod, staff

b) shaft (of spear, dart)

c) club (of shepherd's implement)

d) truncheon, sceptre (mark of authority)


Proverbs 20:30 (KJV)
The blueness of a wound cleanseth away evil: so [do] stripes the inward parts of the belly.

Proverbs 23:14 (KJV)
Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.

Proverbs 29:15
The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.

Proverbs 19:18 (NIV)
Discipline your children, for in that there is hope; do not be a willing party to their death.


The "rod" was a physical rod, switch, shaft, etc that was used to whip unruly or disobedient children. It is absolutely necessary when raising children.

I would hope parents would have the understanding that you don't employ this kind of punishment for every little infraction.

In my house it is used ONLY when my young child DIRECTLY disobeys something his mom or I have told him to do or stop doing and he says "No."
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Thanks! I was going to post exactly what you posted!
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I think stun guns and shock collars would work best?

Perhaps an occasional face full of pepper spray.

But hitting...Never.

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No matter how much you will try explaining to 3 years old there consequence to touching hot iron..... KNOWLEDGE comes with age...
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The 'rod of iron' in the Bible refers to laws that never change so once you know them they are easy to follow for eternity. There being no temptation in that time also helps.
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I used to wholeheartedly believe that spanking was correct... until we started our family and I spent my pregnancy asking God how He wanted us to discipline (because I didn't want to arrogantly believe I was correct in my beliefs, I wanted to actually ask). He told me that He is a perfect Father and He doesn't hit us. He told me that no place else in society is hitting okay. None of us would agree that a cop giving us a ticket for speeding and then also hitting us is okay. No one would agree that it is okay for a husband to hit a wife. Yet we have decided that hitting the most impressionable, damageable humans on the planet is okay. I understand that there are those 6 verses, but I have learned with the Bible that if I am reading something that sounds like it contradicts the rest of the Bible, then the problem is my understanding of it, not the Bible. I will not determine my entire disciplinary code on 6 short verses. Sure spanking "works". The fact that it works has nothing to do with it (torture works in controlling people, too). My children are loving, respectful, and very in love with God. When they disobey they understand that it is GOD that they have sinned against, not their parents. It is a blessing that when they periodically lose their patience with each other and want to hit, I can tell them I have never hit them and therefore they can control themselves as well.

And to the "successful, well adjusted" man who verbally ripped apart his sister. In just a couple of sentences you showed enormous amounts of hatred and bitterness toward your sister and your mother. Don't kid yourself, get that cleared up with God.

This topic is touchy, because people tend to get defensive as none of us want to be doing the wrong thing, especially with our children. The point is let us find the Truth.
 Quoting: RHM 36677767


Good advice...he crucified his kid for acting up... wtf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1211208


I will take your BAIT,


YOU and I CRUCIFIED Him.....He came here of his own free will for only ONE SPECIFIC PERSON........the one who ACCEPTED his payment for the debt that could not be paid by the the ONE who was liable for the Debt, Me and You, potentially..........He came here for just those who agree they cannot pay their debt. YOU and ME.
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Could GOD have stopped it?

He allowed it to happen. I'm not arguing the reason...

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