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DHS Announces It Has The Authority To Seize Bank Accounts & Safe Deposit Box Contents Without A Warrant!?!?!

 
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If you ever thought your shit was safe in a little box at your friendly local branch of TPTB's usury apparatus, you are a moran of the highest order.
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Sadletramp, the Patriot Act and the DHS are all bad in my opinion, but we need to vet our sources.

Not just you as the OP, but the rest of you readers...
It's disappointing when people fall for this stuff without verifying it.

This may not be Sorcha Faal specifically (the circulating memo bit is characteristic of them) but where does it lead? To some poster named Don Paul. It says right there in the first link that they haven't even verified it.

Either way, the necessity of the DHS is certainly up for debate... carry on! :)
 Quoting: Propagandiated


Well here's the deal, the Patriot Act does specify regs whereby the Feds can seize accounts and safe deposit boxes of suspected terrorists, that was a well known fact in banking back before I changed careers in 2006.

But the language of the Regs only specified criminal activity, it didn't specify what type of criminal activity. So it stands to reason that this part of the Patriot Act, like every other part of the Patriot Act, is being expanded into a much more run of the mill criminal activity or even just "suspicion" of criminal activity.

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If you ever thought your shit was safe in a little box at your friendly local branch of TPTB's usury apparatus, you are a moran of the highest order.
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I find life very interesting..
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If you ever thought your shit was safe in a little box at your friendly local branch of TPTB's usury apparatus, you are a moran of the highest order.
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Look, other than a great cocaine offering, what are you doing here, morA-n?
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Basically DHLS has the Power to do what ever they want &

They love rubbing in the face of everyone they can !


If you had the ability to look though some ones clothes with x-ray eye's
The only reason you would ever tell some one is to Piss them off !
Think about it, Its one thing to have it , Its a other to show it off without regards.
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This particular story in regards to the well run Department of Homeland Security is a complete fabrication.

To repeat such wild accusations is tantamount to treason and/or sedition.

It would be wise to ignore such foolishness and comply.
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535...Either they ain't paying you enough or they have no idea who they hired. You sound completely robotic. You really need to brush up better on those Shill skills man...way way rusty and a little too obvious.
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This particular story in regards to the well run Department of Homeland Security is a complete fabrication.

To repeat such wild accusations is tantamount to treason and/or sedition.

It would be wise to ignore such foolishness and comply.
 Quoting: 535 32394586


535...Either they ain't paying you enough or they have no idea who they hired. You sound completely robotic. You really need to brush up better on those Shill skills man...way way rusty and a little too obvious.
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Yes indeed! Straight out of Orwell's "1984"

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Is there any link to the memo? I see articles talking *about* the memo. But no place for me to read it for myself.
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I don't know about guns, but anything prior to 1933 is numismatic, meaning it's not legal tender, it's a collectors item, and it cannot be seized by the Government (anything minted prior to Roosevelt's gold confiscation E.O.)

If you have a gold coin from before 1933, the gold can be seized to pay whatever debt you may owe. The fact that its not legal tender is irrelevant. They can seize houses and cars too....and they're not legal tender either.
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Why anyone would allow these people to hold on to your assets is beyond me.

Get your shit out of the banks!
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Truth!
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I find life very interesting..
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Get Your Money Out Of The Big Banks Now!?!?!

SNIP

According to in-house memos now circulating, the DHS has issued orders to banks across America which announce to them that “under the Patriot Act” the DHS has the absolute right to seize, without any warrant whatsoever, any and all customer bank accounts, to make “periodic and unannounced” visits to any bank to open and inspect the contents of “selected safe deposit boxes.”

Further, the DHS “shall, at the discretion of the agent supervising the search, remove, photograph or seize as evidence” any of the following items “bar gold, gold coins, firearms of any kind unless manufactured prior to 1878, documents such as passports or foreign bank account records, pornography or any material that, in the opinion of the agent, shall be deemed of to be of a contraband nature.”



Read more at [link to investmentwatchblog.com]

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So what else is new??
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I don't know about guns, but anything prior to 1933 is numismatic, meaning it's not legal tender, it's a collectors item, and it cannot be seized by the Government (anything minted prior to Roosevelt's gold confiscation E.O.)

If you have a gold coin from before 1933, the gold can be seized to pay whatever debt you may owe. The fact that its not legal tender is irrelevant. They can seize houses and cars too....and they're not legal tender either.
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Yup... but just remember, we come into this world with nothing and we leave it with nothing. Having wealth is also a huge responsibility. I heard this one older woman today go on about how she was going to protect her wealth with a camera in every room, fences with bob wire, electronic gate, burglar alarms, safe cemented into the floor... on and on. Heck, I just keep like keeping things simple so if someone steals it... what's there is easily replaceable. Except for the generational family pass me downs.
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Anyone have any information of this blog? Well respected? Did it just pop up? Anything at all?
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Looks like this information has been around since 2006.

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Get Your Money Out Of The Big Banks Now!?!?!

SNIP

According to in-house memos now circulating, the DHS has issued orders to banks across America which announce to them that “under the Patriot Act” the DHS has the absolute right to seize, without any warrant whatsoever, any and all customer bank accounts, to make “periodic and unannounced” visits to any bank to open and inspect the contents of “selected safe deposit boxes.”

Further, the DHS “shall, at the discretion of the agent supervising the search, remove, photograph or seize as evidence” any of the following items “bar gold, gold coins, firearms of any kind unless manufactured prior to 1878, documents such as passports or foreign bank account records, pornography or any material that, in the opinion of the agent, shall be deemed of to be of a contraband nature.”



Read more at [link to investmentwatchblog.com]

drevil
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color of law based upon the optional 14th amendment that was never ratified and is therefore voidable at will by each individual american
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Re: DHS Announces It Has The Authority To Seize Bank Accounts & Safe Deposit Box Contents Without A Warrant!?!?!
Get Your Money Out Of The Big Banks Now!?!?!

SNIP

According to in-house memos now circulating, the DHS has issued orders to banks across America which announce to them that “under the Patriot Act” the DHS has the absolute right to seize, without any warrant whatsoever, any and all customer bank accounts, to make “periodic and unannounced” visits to any bank to open and inspect the contents of “selected safe deposit boxes.”

Further, the DHS “shall, at the discretion of the agent supervising the search, remove, photograph or seize as evidence” any of the following items “bar gold, gold coins, firearms of any kind unless manufactured prior to 1878, documents such as passports or foreign bank account records, pornography or any material that, in the opinion of the agent, shall be deemed of to be of a contraband nature.”



Read more at [link to investmentwatchblog.com]

drevil
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color of law based upon the optional 14th amendment that was never ratified and is therefore voidable at will by each individual american
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unless you contract with them
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If I had a safety deposit box I would fill it with some interesting things for them.

I don't, so I won't.

I don't have shit, but that would not be a bad idea.
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law has been in place since 2001, why is there an uproar 12 yrs later???
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Ok-
1.any casual observer starts to realize that banks are not safe places to hold valuables and cash

2.The.gov is going out of their way to make cash transactions more difficult

3.The banks limit your cash withdrawal on any given day

4.ATMs have limits as to how much you can take out

Some of these rules are under the guise of fighting terrorism,some to fight money laundering....but
Initially I thought this was to avoid a bank run,now
I think its a complete control system where you are under gov observation for any financial transaction.

We see these TV shows where the agents look at a persons bank activity on a whim-Mr Ellis had a 250,000 dollar deposit on the 14th-as an example. With no warrant or court order.

The bottom line is we are no longer secure in our persons or papers. Forget wiretaps,soon micro sized UAVs will be in our bedrooms.Again probably with no court order or warrant.

What you buy,sell,read,watch will be logged.When you do something they do not like you will be picked up,taken to a place such as Gitmo,and never heard from again. No cameras,no press,no paper trail.You are just gone. They can deny doing it and you will never be heard from again.

This can be done to a terrorist,a whistle blower,an activist or a rival.

If all your possessions can be seized,bank records modified or taken,the same can be done for everything about you from library records to education.With RealID act controls,you can become a non entity before you are finished reading this.

Some group as taken the laws that were supposed to protect us(Patriot act etc)-laws I never liked or supported btw,and
can now use it against anyone they see.With no oversight,checks and balance,or relief to the injured party.

It may be safe to assume that any rights we once had from the Constitution are gone.
And we have no avenue for dissent.

Now do you see why they want the guns.
We are no longer a free people.


As an aside,may I suggest to everyone,even AC`s,that everything you post,is traced back to you.Ever message,every tweet,every wifi hotspot you frequent,every place you go is known.Even if you throw away your cell phone and deactivate OnStar. They can find you 24-7.

With the tech that is out now,even the old tricks of fieldcraft are useless.

My god,what has happened to my country.
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Well, OP, don't YOU think it's odd that there is NO LINK to any actual DHS memo saying that??


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welcome to The Brave New World.
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This really is the Apocalypse.

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scratching

gold in your safety deposit is classed as contraband

ummm ok, now I have to go to the bank
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This particular story in regards to the well run Department of Homeland Security is a complete fabrication.

To repeat such wild accusations is tantamount to treason and/or sedition.

It would be wise to ignore such foolishness and comply.
 Quoting: 535 32394586


Fuck you and die pond scum.
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How do you spell gestapo?

Is that how?
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I don't think they we're allowed to do that
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Last week I wrote my Congressman complaining about the DHS purchase of 1.2 billion rounds of hollow point ammo and over 3000 armored vehicles and DHS refusal to answer Congress questions about why.

I also made mention of obamacare.

So I get this letter back thanking me for writing the congressman about obamacare.

I wrote back and asked if Congress was afraid of DHS.

I do not get really angry easily, but I am beyond pissed at this bunch of lilly livered assholes we call Congress and the traitor in the White House that regularly wipes his ass on the Constitution.
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Ok-
1.any casual observer starts to realize that banks are not safe places to hold valuables and cash

2.The.gov is going out of their way to make cash transactions more difficult

3.The banks limit your cash withdrawal on any given day

4.ATMs have limits as to how much you can take out

Some of these rules are under the guise of fighting terrorism,some to fight money laundering....but
Initially I thought this was to avoid a bank run,now
I think its a complete control system where you are under gov observation for any financial transaction.

We see these TV shows where the agents look at a persons bank activity on a whim-Mr Ellis had a 250,000 dollar deposit on the 14th-as an example. With no warrant or court order.

The bottom line is we are no longer secure in our persons or papers. Forget wiretaps,soon micro sized UAVs will be in our bedrooms.Again probably with no court order or warrant.

What you buy,sell,read,watch will be logged.When you do something they do not like you will be picked up,taken to a place such as Gitmo,and never heard from again. No cameras,no press,no paper trail.You are just gone. They can deny doing it and you will never be heard from again.

This can be done to a terrorist,a whistle blower,an activist or a rival.

If all your possessions can be seized,bank records modified or taken,the same can be done for everything about you from library records to education.With RealID act controls,you can become a non entity before you are finished reading this.

Some group as taken the laws that were supposed to protect us(Patriot act etc)-laws I never liked or supported btw,and
can now use it against anyone they see.With no oversight,checks and balance,or relief to the injured party.

It may be safe to assume that any rights we once had from the Constitution are gone.
And we have no avenue for dissent.

Now do you see why they want the guns.
We are no longer a free people.


As an aside,may I suggest to everyone,even AC`s,that everything you post,is traced back to you.Ever message,every tweet,every wifi hotspot you frequent,every place you go is known.Even if you throw away your cell phone and deactivate OnStar. They can find you 24-7.

With the tech that is out now,even the old tricks of fieldcraft are useless.

My god,what has happened to my country.
 Quoting: Dervish


yes. The guns are the last thing standing between them and total control. The parasite destroyers get them and they have all they need to complete their plans.

Last Edited by s. d. butler on 04/01/2013 02:00 AM
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Well, OP, don't YOU think it's odd that there is NO LINK to any actual DHS memo saying that??

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You noticed that too, huh?

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