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Is this a quick death or a slow and painful death senario?
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very much our children's children scenario.... and quite conceivably unavoidable..... think chernobyl capped in how long?... now think times that by ?X%?..... not good....
 Quoting: Citizenperth


Hum! I was affraid you would say that. We all knew it would happen I guess. All we can do is watch it unfold.
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We all want to know what's up.. It affects everybody everywhere.
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LMFAO... Thanks.
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Is this a quick death or a slow and painful death senario?
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very much our children's children scenario.... and quite conceivably unavoidable..... think chernobyl capped in how long?... now think times that by ?X%?, and the fact they can't get near it to stop it..... not good.... and there is the fact.....
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How many loose cores are we talking about here?
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Is this a quick death or a slow and painful death senario?
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very much our children's children scenario.... and quite conceivably unavoidable..... think chernobyl capped in how long?... now think times that by ?X%?, and the fact they can't get near it to stop it..... not good.... and there is the fact.....
 Quoting: Citizenperth


How many loose cores are we talking about here?
 Quoting: Marxist


4 was 'empty' (so they say.. but the spent fuel pool is brimming full of 'spent' fuel (it's not really, hence the water), and MOX (nice mix of Plutonium and Uranium).....

so back to the point, 3 have gone walkies, and no-one knows where.....

some into the atmosphere... lots into the ocean, the rest..... ?????
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Is this a quick death or a slow and painful death senario?
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very much our children's children scenario.... and quite conceivably unavoidable..... think chernobyl capped in how long?... now think times that by ?X%?, and the fact they can't get near it to stop it..... not good.... and there is the fact.....
 Quoting: Citizenperth


How many loose cores are we talking about here?
 Quoting: Marxist


4 was 'empty' (so they say.. but the spent fuel pool is brimming full of 'spent' fuel (it's not really, hence the water), and MOX (nice mix of Plutonium and Uranium).....

so back to the point, 3 have gone walkies, and no-one knows where.....

some into the atmosphere... lots into the ocean, the rest..... ?????
 Quoting: Citizenperth


Jesus wept! I had no frickin idea! No idea. I've been trying to quit the smokes. Hahaha. Yeah.
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Is this a quick death or a slow and painful death senario?
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very much our children's children scenario.... and quite conceivably unavoidable..... think chernobyl capped in how long?... now think times that by ?X%?, and the fact they can't get near it to stop it..... not good.... and there is the fact.....
 Quoting: Citizenperth


It will be sooner than later . There will be no fish to catch in the effected area in a few days , as it spreads , you will never see fish there again ! Also if it's in water table , anything that relies on that is fucked, permanent radiation does every sip of water .
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9.5 degrees now?
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Been around the world twice, talked to everyone once. There ain't nothing i can't do, no sky too high, no sea too rough. I've learned a lot of lessons in my life, never shoot a large caliber man with a small caliber bullet. Anything in life worth doing is worth overdoing. Moderation's for cowards.
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9.5 degrees now?
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How big an are is that covering ?????
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Is this a quick death or a slow and painful death senario?
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very much our children's children scenario.... and quite conceivably unavoidable..... think chernobyl capped in how long?... now think times that by ?X%?, and the fact they can't get near it to stop it..... not good.... and there is the fact.....
 Quoting: Citizenperth


It will be sooner than later . There will be no fish to catch in the effected area in a few days , as it spreads , you will never see fish there again ! Also if it's in water table , anything that relies on that is fucked, permanent radiation does every sip of water .
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they have already reported the first crustations going extinct in the area up to 300 kms.....

mind you they report heaps... NOT....... shhh, it all ok.....

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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to earthquake.usgs.gov]

i think this info is interesting.
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Whats the life of these cores?
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Whats the life of these cores?
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dependant up elements? do you really want to know?

[link to nuclearinfo.net]

now try to sleep... they're all out their now... jeeny bottle exploded....

still are.....

and now what looks like another bad situation today unfolding
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to earthquake.usgs.gov]

i think this info is interesting.
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dah,it may help if i post the right link, sorry.
[link to earthquake.usgs.gov]
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to earthquake.usgs.gov]

i think this info is interesting.
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dah,it may help if i post the right link, sorry.
[link to earthquake.usgs.gov]
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worked for me.. thanks :)
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hmm

gotta keep an eye on that.
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I've just googled Fukushima. Everything is sweet as....some local town has been designated an open zone, Tepco has a better decontamination plant on the go, thyroids test normal. Yet, three cores are out there and no one is capable of reporting on them it seems.

Admittedly, I had assumed like most that the Japanese had got some technology onto this.
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Bring in the JAP SHILLS!!!

A year ago the MSM reported all is fine.

I watched more truthful documentary that stated no one knows what is going on with reactor 3 because it is too hot to go into.
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I've just googled Fukushima. Everything is sweet as....some local town has been designated an open zone, Tepco has a better decontamination plant on the go, thyroids test normal. Yet, three cores are out there and no one is capable of reporting on them it seems.

Admittedly, I had assumed like most that the Japanese had got some technology onto this.
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nup..... sadly... it IS that bad it is silenced......

just recieved an article on the new i-phone app, popular in japan to test for radiation..?... that when tested in the US on Radioactive Iodine in a lab reported zero radiation.... scary years indeed....

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Bring in the JAP SHILLS!!!

A year ago the MSM reported all is fine.

I watched more truthful documentary that stated no one knows what is going on with reactor 3 because it is too hot to go into.
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It would seem that three cores are gone walk about.
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They again poured dirty nuclear water into the ocean. thwak
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They again poured dirty nuclear water into the ocean. thwak
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they've been doing it with government authorization for the last month......
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What is a "Corium quake"?
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I didn't know what corium was.. This may help those like me.

[link to enformable.com]
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Yep, Corium is a delicious mixture of nuclear fuel, zircaloy cladding, containment vessel wall, concrete and a sprinkle of control rod for taste..

Think of it as a molten blob of white hot metal that is self-heating.. It sometimes flows into pipes and other container like structures under the pull of gravity due to it's multi-tonne weight. After Chernobyl was encased in it's new building.. the team drilled into the reactor vessel itself to ascertain the condition of the nuclear fuel.. to their surprise they found none.. turns out it flowed into the basement and into the thousands of pipes and channels present in the RBMK design. This was credited with the sharp and unexplained drop in radiation during the later part of the Battle of Chernobyl.

The problem with Corium is that it is uncontrollable.. and if it comes in contact with a good moderator, and has the right geometry, it can undergo prompt criticality(rapid self sustaining nuclear reaction) and even explode. In both Chernobyl and Fukushima, there have been theories that prompt criticality occurred.

In Chernobyl, when the steam voids (areas where the coolant has been allowed to become super heated, you get a massive power increase) and because the Soviet RBMK reactor design uses a graphite moderated channel type deign (think of hundreds of small nuclear reactors all combined into one very big core for RBMK) it was still critical when the water was reduced. In all but the RBMK and the sodium reactor (nuclear subs and experimental systems) the moderator is water, so if it forms steam voids (bubbles or pockets of steam instead of water) the lack of moderation retards the reaction. In the soviet design, this was not the case and moderation continues even with water removed. As the reaction increased, it made more steam, which produced more power and so on..

This is called a positive feed back loop and what was unknown to the operators at the time was the RBMK design had a high positive void coefficient problem. When the operators noticed the huge spike in power, they scrammed the plant (S.C.R.A.M= Safety Cut Axe Man, to emergency stop and insert all rods to stop the reaction) It had an unintended effect. When the rods inserted, they displaced even more coolant in the channels and caused a massive increase in thermal power, exactly opposite of what they expected, and the control rods had graphite tips providing additional moderation. The first reports from the IAEA had stated that the explosion was caused by steam pressure alone, but the amount of force was so great that it blew a 2000 tonne concrete and steel bio-shield lid vertically into the air. Uncontrolled, prompt criticality can certainly generate the gigawatts of thermal energy (yes, it was measured in the control room as that high) needed for this level of kinetic thrust. Thus, the details for Chernobyl may now include criticality excursions in the timeline.

Prompt criticality excursions are the main reason why the gun-type design of the little boy design atomic bomb was rejected in favor of the implosion design. The chance that problems with the high explosive or purity of the physics package could cause the bomb to fizzle instead of go super critical was a deal breaker, even though it was the much easier to construct and design.

Spontainous prompt criticality is a major issue, and the reason why proper geometry (actual physical shape of cast materials) is so important, in Corium, you loose control of everything, including shape and moderation.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to skitamura.sakura.ne.jp]

Forward to Japan,

There are many key indicators that do not pass the smell test for me.

1)Reported problems with the plant BEFORE the wave hit. (Stuxnet?)

2)4 Reactors building explosions, but only three reactors were fueled? Why was there an explosion in the offline plant? Official story stated that hydrogen from the other building. Modern plants like the GE Mark I have hermetically sealed containment buildings and controls for the remaining structure as well, ambient gasses to not just pass freely, even to the superficial structure housing the containment.

So why did the offline plant explode? The theory I subscribe to the most is prompt criticality from uncovered fuel in the spent fuel pool. So take please take note of this when officials tell you that nuclear plants can not and will not explode.. they can and have on both a large (Chernobyl and possibly Fukushima) and small scale (Sodium reactor test bed outside LA)

3)Neutron beams observed. (indicator of ongoing fission, and thus risk of more prompt criticality)

With Corium there is no control of geometry or reaction at all.. you get what you get, and if the conditions are right, you can get a big blast and lots of fission products released. The results of which would look a lot like what Perth is showing you.. not an earthquake, but a short pulse like an explosion. The super-heating of the surrounding ocean also indicates that the corium has reached the water table and we now have a bona fide "China Syndrome" underway.

The only thing missing would be the massive radiation increase and or steam-vents, if its under water (a moderator) then perhaps that explains the west coast die-offs and high strangeness.

Anyhow, sorry for the long post, I've tried my best to break down what he is getting at for those who are not familiar with the processes and terminology.. hope it has helped.

Thanks!

If you don's quite understand, wikipedia has more then you ever wanted to know, please start there...

On Chernobyl:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

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Citizen Perth...Excellent work!

Here is a related topic.
This is a way that people can help mitigate the damage from the radioactive crap.

It is called the Hiroshima Diet .
A diet that is built on Miso Soup.
There are other items to avoid also .
There was a dramatic difference between the people who ate this diet and those who did not.
Many who refused to eat this diet died within weeks from the radiation poisoning.
Others died of cancer late or much later.
As far as I read NONE OF THOSE WHO FOLLOWED THE HIROSHIMA DIET died of cancer !

My computer is not cooperating , so I cannot post the link at this moment.

This article was written JUST ABOUT ONE YEAR BEFORE FUKU !!
At the www.livewellnaturally.com site
On February 24th, 2010
They discuss what Dr. Akizuki did to survive and be able to treat patients after the Hiroshima attack in 1945.
Miso soup and AVOIDING ALL ADDED SUGARS kept him healthy enough to work a demanding schedule of treating the massive casualties caused by the Hiroshima attack.
This long article also has other important tips.....
hf
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is it bad ?
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Is the WHOLE NTH HEMISPHERE DYING , BAD ?? I think so .
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is it bad ?
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3 cores not being monitored (with long lifes)...could be eroding through to the water table is what it seems like. Have you heard anything different?
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Citizen Perth...Excellent work!

Here is a related topic.
This is a way that people can help mitigate the damage from the radioactive crap.

It is called the Hiroshima Diet .
A diet that is built on Miso Soup.
There are other items to avoid also .
There was a dramatic difference between the people who ate this diet and those who did not.
Many who refused to eat this diet died within weeks from the radiation poisoning.
Others died of cancer late or much later.
As far as I read NONE OF THOSE WHO FOLLOWED THE HIROSHIMA DIET died of cancer !

My computer is not cooperating , so I cannot post the link at this moment.

This article was written JUST ABOUT ONE YEAR BEFORE FUKU !!
At the www.livewellnaturally.com site
On February 24th, 2010
They discuss what Dr. Akizuki did to survive and be able to treat patients after the Hiroshima attack in 1945.
Miso soup and AVOIDING ALL ADDED SUGARS kept him healthy enough to work a demanding schedule of treating the massive casualties caused by the Hiroshima attack.
This long article also has other important tips.....
hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37230508


hf
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No JAP SHILLS yet? Lazy bastards,fine I will do their job.

Everything is fine,ocean is same temperature,no one sick.

You people believe any thing you read.

Radiation is good for you and can't move far from source.

Many safe guards are fixing the small problem.

Obama monitor situation.
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What is a "Corium quake"?
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I didn't know what corium was.. This may help those like me.

[link to enformable.com]
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Yep, Corium is a delicious mixture of nuclear fuel, zircaloy cladding, containment vessel wall, concrete and a sprinkle of control rod for taste..

Think of it as a molten blob of white hot metal that is self-heating.. It sometimes flows into pipes and other container like structures under the pull of gravity due to it's multi-tonne weight. After Chernobyl was encased in it's new building.. the team drilled into the reactor vessel itself to ascertain the condition of the nuclear fuel.. to their surprise they found none.. turns out it flowed into the basement and into the thousands of pipes and channels present in the RBMK design. This was credited with the sharp and unexplained drop in radiation during the later part of the Battle of Chernobyl.

The problem with Corium is that it is uncontrollable.. and if it comes in contact with a good moderator, and has the right geometry, it can undergo prompt criticality(rapid self sustaining nuclear reaction) and even explode. In both Chernobyl and Fukushima, there have been theories that prompt criticality occurred.

In Chernobyl, when the steam voids (areas where the coolant has been allowed to become super heated, you get a massive power increase) and because the Soviet RBMK reactor design uses a graphite moderated channel type deign (think of hundreds of small nuclear reactors all combined into one very big core for RBMK) it was still critical when the water was reduced. In all but the RBMK and the sodium reactor (nuclear subs and experimental systems) the moderator is water, so if it forms steam voids (bubbles or pockets of steam instead of water) the lack of moderation retards the reaction. In the soviet design, this was not the case and moderation continues even with water removed. As the reaction increased, it made more steam, which produced more power and so on..

This is called a positive feed back loop and what was unknown to the operators at the time was the RBMK design had a high positive void coefficient problem. When the operators noticed the huge spike in power, they scrammed the plant (S.C.R.A.M= Safety Cut Axe Man, to emergency stop and insert all rods to stop the reaction) It had an unintended effect. When the rods inserted, they displaced even more coolant in the channels and caused a massive increase in thermal power, exactly opposite of what they expected, and the control rods had graphite tips providing additional moderation. The first reports from the IAEA had stated that the explosion was caused by steam pressure alone, but the amount of force was so great that it blew a 2000 tonne concrete and steel bio-shield lid vertically into the air. Uncontrolled, prompt criticality can certainly generate the gigawatts of thermal energy (yes, it was measured in the control room as that high) needed for this level of kinetic thrust. Thus, the details for Chernobyl may now include criticality excursions in the timeline.

Prompt criticality excursions are the main reason why the gun-type design of the little boy design atomic bomb was rejected in favor of the implosion design. The chance that problems with the high explosive or purity of the physics package could cause the bomb to fizzle instead of go super critical was a deal breaker, even though it was the much easier to construct and design.

Spontainous prompt criticality is a major issue, and the reason why proper geometry (actual physical shape of cast materials) is so important, in Corium, you loose control of everything, including shape and moderation.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to skitamura.sakura.ne.jp]

Forward to Japan,

There are many key indicators that do not pass the smell test for me.

1)Reported problems with the plant BEFORE the wave hit. (Stuxnet?)

2)4 Reactors building explosions, but only three reactors were fueled? Why was there an explosion in the offline plant? Official story stated that hydrogen from the other building. Modern plants like the GE Mark I have hermetically sealed containment buildings and controls for the remaining structure as well, ambient gasses to not just pass freely, even to the superficial structure housing the containment.

So why did the offline plant explode? The theory I subscribe to the most is prompt criticality from uncovered fuel in the spent fuel pool. So take please take note of this when officials tell you that nuclear plants can not and will not explode.. they can and have on both a large (Chernobyl and possibly Fukushima) and small scale (Sodium reactor test bed outside LA)

3)Neutron beams observed. (indicator of ongoing fission, and thus risk of more prompt criticality)

With Corium there is no control of geometry or reaction at all.. you get what you get, and if the conditions are right, you can get a big blast and lots of fission products released. The results of which would look a lot like what Perth is showing you.. not an earthquake, but a short pulse like an explosion. The super-heating of the surrounding ocean also indicates that the corium has reached the water table and we now have a bona fide "China Syndrome" underway.

The only thing missing would be the massive radiation increase and or steam-vents, if its under water (a moderator) then perhaps that explains the west coast die-offs and high strangeness.

Anyhow, sorry for the long post, I've tried my best to break down what he is getting at for those who are not familiar with the processes and terminology.. hope it has helped.

Thanks!

If you don's quite understand, wikipedia has more then you ever wanted to know, please start there...

On Chernobyl:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

On Nuclear power:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: EscapeVelocity


ty for that... long?.... don't think so about something so nefarious...... oh and entirely underported and lied about.... our children thankyou

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I didn't know what corium was.. This may help those like me.

[link to enformable.com]
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Yep, Corium is a delicious mixture of nuclear fuel, zircaloy cladding, containment vessel wall, concrete and a sprinkle of control rod for taste..

Think of it as a molten blob of white hot metal that is self-heating.. It sometimes flows into pipes and other container like structures under the pull of gravity due to it's multi-tonne weight. After Chernobyl was encased in it's new building.. the team drilled into the reactor vessel itself to ascertain the condition of the nuclear fuel.. to their surprise they found none.. turns out it flowed into the basement and into the thousands of pipes and channels present in the RBMK design. This was credited with the sharp and unexplained drop in radiation during the later part of the Battle of Chernobyl.

The problem with Corium is that it is uncontrollable.. and if it comes in contact with a good moderator, and has the right geometry, it can undergo prompt criticality(rapid self sustaining nuclear reaction) and even explode. In both Chernobyl and Fukushima, there have been theories that prompt criticality occurred.

In Chernobyl, when the steam voids (areas where the coolant has been allowed to become super heated, you get a massive power increase) and because the Soviet RBMK reactor design uses a graphite moderated channel type deign (think of hundreds of small nuclear reactors all combined into one very big core for RBMK) it was still critical when the water was reduced. In all but the RBMK and the sodium reactor (nuclear subs and experimental systems) the moderator is water, so if it forms steam voids (bubbles or pockets of steam instead of water) the lack of moderation retards the reaction. In the soviet design, this was not the case and moderation continues even with water removed. As the reaction increased, it made more steam, which produced more power and so on..

This is called a positive feed back loop and what was unknown to the operators at the time was the RBMK design had a high positive void coefficient problem. When the operators noticed the huge spike in power, they scrammed the plant (S.C.R.A.M= Safety Cut Axe Man, to emergency stop and insert all rods to stop the reaction) It had an unintended effect. When the rods inserted, they displaced even more coolant in the channels and caused a massive increase in thermal power, exactly opposite of what they expected, and the control rods had graphite tips providing additional moderation. The first reports from the IAEA had stated that the explosion was caused by steam pressure alone, but the amount of force was so great that it blew a 2000 tonne concrete and steel bio-shield lid vertically into the air. Uncontrolled, prompt criticality can certainly generate the gigawatts of thermal energy (yes, it was measured in the control room as that high) needed for this level of kinetic thrust. Thus, the details for Chernobyl may now include criticality excursions in the timeline.

Prompt criticality excursions are the main reason why the gun-type design of the little boy design atomic bomb was rejected in favor of the implosion design. The chance that problems with the high explosive or purity of the physics package could cause the bomb to fizzle instead of go super critical was a deal breaker, even though it was the much easier to construct and design.

Spontainous prompt criticality is a major issue, and the reason why proper geometry (actual physical shape of cast materials) is so important, in Corium, you loose control of everything, including shape and moderation.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to skitamura.sakura.ne.jp]

Forward to Japan,

There are many key indicators that do not pass the smell test for me.

1)Reported problems with the plant BEFORE the wave hit. (Stuxnet?)

2)4 Reactors building explosions, but only three reactors were fueled? Why was there an explosion in the offline plant? Official story stated that hydrogen from the other building. Modern plants like the GE Mark I have hermetically sealed containment buildings and controls for the remaining structure as well, ambient gasses to not just pass freely, even to the superficial structure housing the containment.

So why did the offline plant explode? The theory I subscribe to the most is prompt criticality from uncovered fuel in the spent fuel pool. So take please take note of this when officials tell you that nuclear plants can not and will not explode.. they can and have on both a large (Chernobyl and possibly Fukushima) and small scale (Sodium reactor test bed outside LA)

3)Neutron beams observed. (indicator of ongoing fission, and thus risk of more prompt criticality)

With Corium there is no control of geometry or reaction at all.. you get what you get, and if the conditions are right, you can get a big blast and lots of fission products released. The results of which would look a lot like what Perth is showing you.. not an earthquake, but a short pulse like an explosion. The super-heating of the surrounding ocean also indicates that the corium has reached the water table and we now have a bona fide "China Syndrome" underway.

The only thing missing would be the massive radiation increase and or steam-vents, if its under water (a moderator) then perhaps that explains the west coast die-offs and high strangeness.

Anyhow, sorry for the long post, I've tried my best to break down what he is getting at for those who are not familiar with the processes and terminology.. hope it has helped.

Thanks!

If you don's quite understand, wikipedia has more then you ever wanted to know, please start there...

On Chernobyl:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

On Nuclear power:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: EscapeVelocity


Aaah. So this corium is the containment and contents in a blob? Just sitting there, burning its way through. Why cant they get a radio controlled toy plane to fly a camera to within a peeking distance if robots can't sidle up to it...too hot I guess up sideways and down.
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