Fukushima... Corium quake??? activity right now..... sea temp unbelievable... | |
Patient.Zer0 User ID: 1534311 United States 04/01/2013 03:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | very much our children's children scenario.... and quite conceivably unavoidable..... think chernobyl capped in how long?... now think times that by ?X%?, and the fact they can't get near it to stop it..... not good.... and there is the fact..... How many loose cores are we talking about here? 4 was 'empty' (so they say.. but the spent fuel pool is brimming full of 'spent' fuel (it's not really, hence the water), and MOX (nice mix of Plutonium and Uranium)..... so back to the point, 3 have gone walkies, and no-one knows where..... some into the atmosphere... lots into the ocean, the rest..... ????? AND... What was the total rod count the US was storing in those pools? "It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong." Richard P. Feynman |
Citizenperth (OP) User ID: 36740537 Australia 04/01/2013 03:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yep, Corium is a delicious mixture of nuclear fuel, zircaloy cladding, containment vessel wall, concrete and a sprinkle of control rod for taste.. Think of it as a molten blob of white hot metal that is self-heating.. It sometimes flows into pipes and other container like structures under the pull of gravity due to it's multi-tonne weight. After Chernobyl was encased in it's new building.. the team drilled into the reactor vessel itself to ascertain the condition of the nuclear fuel.. to their surprise they found none.. turns out it flowed into the basement and into the thousands of pipes and channels present in the RBMK design. This was credited with the sharp and unexplained drop in radiation during the later part of the Battle of Chernobyl. The problem with Corium is that it is uncontrollable.. and if it comes in contact with a good moderator, and has the right geometry, it can undergo prompt criticality(rapid self sustaining nuclear reaction) and even explode. In both Chernobyl and Fukushima, there have been theories that prompt criticality occurred. In Chernobyl, when the steam voids (areas where the coolant has been allowed to become super heated, you get a massive power increase) and because the Soviet RBMK reactor design uses a graphite moderated channel type deign (think of hundreds of small nuclear reactors all combined into one very big core for RBMK) it was still critical when the water was reduced. In all but the RBMK and the sodium reactor (nuclear subs and experimental systems) the moderator is water, so if it forms steam voids (bubbles or pockets of steam instead of water) the lack of moderation retards the reaction. In the soviet design, this was not the case and moderation continues even with water removed. As the reaction increased, it made more steam, which produced more power and so on.. This is called a positive feed back loop and what was unknown to the operators at the time was the RBMK design had a high positive void coefficient problem. When the operators noticed the huge spike in power, they scrammed the plant (S.C.R.A.M= Safety Cut Axe Man, to emergency stop and insert all rods to stop the reaction) It had an unintended effect. When the rods inserted, they displaced even more coolant in the channels and caused a massive increase in thermal power, exactly opposite of what they expected, and the control rods had graphite tips providing additional moderation. The first reports from the IAEA had stated that the explosion was caused by steam pressure alone, but the amount of force was so great that it blew a 2000 tonne concrete and steel bio-shield lid vertically into the air. Uncontrolled, prompt criticality can certainly generate the gigawatts of thermal energy (yes, it was measured in the control room as that high) needed for this level of kinetic thrust. Thus, the details for Chernobyl may now include criticality excursions in the timeline. Prompt criticality excursions are the main reason why the gun-type design of the little boy design atomic bomb was rejected in favor of the implosion design. The chance that problems with the high explosive or purity of the physics package could cause the bomb to fizzle instead of go super critical was a deal breaker, even though it was the much easier to construct and design. Spontainous prompt criticality is a major issue, and the reason why proper geometry (actual physical shape of cast materials) is so important, in Corium, you loose control of everything, including shape and moderation. [link to en.wikipedia.org] [link to skitamura.sakura.ne.jp] Forward to Japan, There are many key indicators that do not pass the smell test for me. 1)Reported problems with the plant BEFORE the wave hit. (Stuxnet?) 2)4 Reactors building explosions, but only three reactors were fueled? Why was there an explosion in the offline plant? Official story stated that hydrogen from the other building. Modern plants like the GE Mark I have hermetically sealed containment buildings and controls for the remaining structure as well, ambient gasses to not just pass freely, even to the superficial structure housing the containment. So why did the offline plant explode? The theory I subscribe to the most is prompt criticality from uncovered fuel in the spent fuel pool. So take please take note of this when officials tell you that nuclear plants can not and will not explode.. they can and have on both a large (Chernobyl and possibly Fukushima) and small scale (Sodium reactor test bed outside LA) 3)Neutron beams observed. (indicator of ongoing fission, and thus risk of more prompt criticality) With Corium there is no control of geometry or reaction at all.. you get what you get, and if the conditions are right, you can get a big blast and lots of fission products released. The results of which would look a lot like what Perth is showing you.. not an earthquake, but a short pulse like an explosion. The super-heating of the surrounding ocean also indicates that the corium has reached the water table and we now have a bona fide "China Syndrome" underway. The only thing missing would be the massive radiation increase and or steam-vents, if its under water (a moderator) then perhaps that explains the west coast die-offs and high strangeness. Anyhow, sorry for the long post, I've tried my best to break down what he is getting at for those who are not familiar with the processes and terminology.. hope it has helped. Thanks! If you don's quite understand, wikipedia has more then you ever wanted to know, please start there... On Chernobyl: [link to en.wikipedia.org] [link to en.wikipedia.org] [link to en.wikipedia.org] On Nuclear power: [link to en.wikipedia.org] [link to en.wikipedia.org] [link to en.wikipedia.org] Aaah. So this corium is the containment and contents in a blob? Just sitting there, burning its way through. Why cant they get a radio controlled toy plane to fly a camera to within a peeking distance if robots can't sidle up to it...too hot I guess up sideways and down. bingo, the troops over chernobyl are all but dead, and their led-lined helicopters dropping water, and much other equipment are in nuclear grave-yards... banned from the public.... no go zones.... corium can only be tested in minute amounts in controlled environments... but, yes, it is the 'stuff' inside a nuke plant mixed with anything else it comes into contact with, and at the fuku temperature....will burn through anything... you haven't been told lies by the MSN only. you have been told NOTHING..... Last Edited by CitizenPerth™ on 04/01/2013 03:17 AM It's life as we know it, but only just. [link to citizenperth.wordpress.com] sic ut vos es vos should exsisto , denego alius vicis facio vos change , exsisto youself , proprie |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 22373790 United States 04/01/2013 03:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Great post, EV. Could the Corium cause an explosion bigger than any seen by mankind? It could totally destroy eastern Asia, and also western US? Could this be the catalyst to Cayces' future map of the world? Yeah, I think big. :esplode: |
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Marxist User ID: 37231142 New Zealand 04/01/2013 03:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No JAP SHILLS yet? Lazy bastards,fine I will do their job. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18280462 Everything is fine,ocean is same temperature,no one sick. You people believe any thing you read. Radiation is good for you and can't move far from source. Many safe guards are fixing the small problem. Obama monitor situation. If all of this is true, and they are covering up, I would say that they have collectively fallen into a deep denial...and that is as bad as you can get. At least the Soviets went hell for leather at Chernobyl. It seems like these guys are supping champagne through straws, with bags over their heads, whilst this mess ticks away. Workers of the World, Unite. You have nothing to lose but your chains! |
Citizenperth (OP) User ID: 36740537 Australia 04/01/2013 03:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Great post, EV. Quoting: gurunade Could the Corium cause an explosion bigger than any seen by mankind? It could totally destroy eastern Asia, and also western US? Could this be the catalyst to Cayces' future map of the world? Yeah, I think big. :esplode: it's never happened before, so we don't know...... It's life as we know it, but only just. [link to citizenperth.wordpress.com] sic ut vos es vos should exsisto , denego alius vicis facio vos change , exsisto youself , proprie |
Marxist User ID: 37231142 New Zealand 04/01/2013 03:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Great post, EV. Quoting: gurunade Could the Corium cause an explosion bigger than any seen by mankind? It could totally destroy eastern Asia, and also western US? Could this be the catalyst to Cayces' future map of the world? Yeah, I think big. :esplode: Gees, not this Cayce buillshit. We've more than enough space cadets leading this show mate, give us a break. Workers of the World, Unite. You have nothing to lose but your chains! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 18280462 United States 04/01/2013 03:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Great post, EV. Quoting: gurunade Could the Corium cause an explosion bigger than any seen by mankind? It could totally destroy eastern Asia, and also western US? Could this be the catalyst to Cayces' future map of the world? Yeah, I think big. :esplode: The Russians made the Czar bomb which was the largest explosion created by man so far. It was just over 50 megatons,the designer of the bomb cut it down from 100 megatons because he saw no reason to blow a hole through the atmosphere into space. |
Citizenperth (OP) User ID: 36740537 Australia 04/01/2013 03:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Great post, EV. Quoting: gurunade Could the Corium cause an explosion bigger than any seen by mankind? It could totally destroy eastern Asia, and also western US? Could this be the catalyst to Cayces' future map of the world? Yeah, I think big. :esplode: Gees, not this Cayce buillshit. We've more than enough space cadets leading this show mate, give us a break. dear edgar.... sleep well, sry.. back on topic ;)..... It's life as we know it, but only just. [link to citizenperth.wordpress.com] sic ut vos es vos should exsisto , denego alius vicis facio vos change , exsisto youself , proprie |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 35765030 United States 04/01/2013 03:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Citizen Perth...Excellent work! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37230508 Here is a related topic. This is a way that people can help mitigate the damage from the radioactive crap. It is called the Hiroshima Diet . A diet that is built on Miso Soup. There are other items to avoid also . There was a dramatic difference between the people who ate this diet and those who did not. Many who refused to eat this diet died within weeks from the radiation poisoning. Others died of cancer late or much later. As far as I read NONE OF THOSE WHO FOLLOWED THE HIROSHIMA DIET died of cancer ! My computer is not cooperating , so I cannot post the link at this moment. This article was written JUST ABOUT ONE YEAR BEFORE FUKU !! At the www.livewellnaturally.com site On February 24th, 2010 They discuss what Dr. Akizuki did to survive and be able to treat patients after the Hiroshima attack in 1945. Miso soup and AVOIDING ALL ADDED SUGARS kept him healthy enough to work a demanding schedule of treating the massive casualties caused by the Hiroshima attack. This long article also has other important tips..... THANK YOU, AC and THANK YOU Citizen Perth for doing our homework. great reporting |
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Citizenperth (OP) User ID: 36740537 Australia 04/01/2013 03:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | is fukushima accident worse than chernobyl ? its in japan, and that country have a good safety regulation and procedure Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28925707 by current data it is at least 3X Chernobyl. [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] [link to en.wikipedia.org] [link to fukushima-diary.com] please note the dates and consider... i only hold a chronology of reports.... [link to fukushimaemergencywhatcanwedo.blogspot.com.au] Last Edited by CitizenPerth™ on 04/01/2013 03:33 AM It's life as we know it, but only just. [link to citizenperth.wordpress.com] sic ut vos es vos should exsisto , denego alius vicis facio vos change , exsisto youself , proprie |
Estella<3 User ID: 6571780 United States 04/01/2013 03:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.surf-forecast.com] The temp is actually within the "average" since 1984.... Why is everyone freaking? |
Patient.Zer0 User ID: 1534311 United States 04/01/2013 03:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Tepco to start the hot test of ALPS, the multiple nuclide purification system on 3/30/2013 [link to fukushima-diary.com] "It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong." Richard P. Feynman |
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Marxist User ID: 37231142 New Zealand 04/01/2013 03:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | More good info to follow Quoting: Patient.Zer0 Tepco to start the hot test of ALPS, the multiple nuclide purification system on 3/30/2013 [link to fukushima-diary.com] How will this impact on those cores they cannot monitor and haven't a clue as to whats going on? It looks like they will enter the water table at some stage. You reckon they gonna plug this into the water table? Workers of the World, Unite. You have nothing to lose but your chains! |
Citizenperth (OP) User ID: 36740537 Australia 04/01/2013 03:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | More good info to follow Quoting: Patient.Zer0 Tepco to start the hot test of ALPS, the multiple nuclide purification system on 3/30/2013 [link to fukushima-diary.com] yeah nice, and when you get to acknowledge the fact that you cannot, cannot 'remove' radiation... then you get the point.... not raining on your parade, but unless you're in a lead lined suit.. you're vulnerable.. think sunlight..... Last Edited by CitizenPerth™ on 04/01/2013 03:35 AM It's life as we know it, but only just. [link to citizenperth.wordpress.com] sic ut vos es vos should exsisto , denego alius vicis facio vos change , exsisto youself , proprie |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 22373790 United States 04/01/2013 03:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No probs. I'm tired I guess, and fed up with arseholes running the show. I've a little kid as well. Hey I'm right here in Cali where the jet stream has been blowing that shit all over my way for over 2 years now. I've been concerned about this since day 1. The shit is fucked up, without a doubt. |
Marxist User ID: 37231142 New Zealand 04/01/2013 03:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.surf-forecast.com] Quoting: Estella<3 The temp is actually within the "average" since 1984.... Why is everyone freaking? Aahhh. Maybe you can help? Did the Japanese contain those meltiing coriums? You reckon they will? Workers of the World, Unite. You have nothing to lose but your chains! |
Citizenperth (OP) User ID: 36740537 Australia 04/01/2013 03:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.surf-forecast.com] Quoting: Estella<3 The temp is actually within the "average" since 1984.... Why is everyone freaking? no it's! not!.. show me your stats, i've shown mine..... also, and alas, what about todays EQ stats?.... [link to fukushimaemergencywhatcanwedo.blogspot.com.au] Last Edited by CitizenPerth™ on 04/01/2013 03:38 AM It's life as we know it, but only just. [link to citizenperth.wordpress.com] sic ut vos es vos should exsisto , denego alius vicis facio vos change , exsisto youself , proprie |
Patient.Zer0 User ID: 1534311 United States 04/01/2013 03:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | More good info to follow Quoting: Patient.Zer0 Tepco to start the hot test of ALPS, the multiple nuclide purification system on 3/30/2013 [link to fukushima-diary.com] How will this impact on those cores they cannot monitor and haven't a clue as to whats going on? It looks like they will enter the water table at some stage. You reckon they gonna plug this into the water table? Let's just say, they are very, very (very) sorry and it will never ever happen again (at least until new management arrives). [link to japandailypress.com] I'm not really sure we can trust these people with much more responsibility. They are likely to try and shoving a few tons of TNT into it and hope for the best. Last Edited by Patient.Zer0 on 04/01/2013 03:38 AM "It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong." Richard P. Feynman |
Estella<3 User ID: 6571780 United States 04/01/2013 03:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.surf-forecast.com] Quoting: Estella<3 The temp is actually within the "average" since 1984.... Why is everyone freaking? no it's! not!.. show me your stats, i've shown mine..... Click the link I provided... it gives the stats since 1984 |
EscapeVelocity User ID: 4854266 United States 04/01/2013 03:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Great post, EV. Quoting: gurunade Could the Corium cause an explosion bigger than any seen by mankind? It could totally destroy eastern Asia, and also western US? Could this be the catalyst to Cayces' future map of the world? Yeah, I think big. :esplode: it's never happened before, so we don't know...... Exactly, a real China syndrome has never happened before.. No real world data.. We are getting it all now. The forecast for the corium blast that was prevented at Chernobyl was 3-5 megatons.. This has more cores, and more fuel involved. But I think that the worst that could occur would be an ELE from fission products in the environment, not a super sized supercritical blast.. The super blast would almost be preferred in my book as it would distribute the corium far apart as to not allow for continued melting and reaction and movement.. (But epic pollution) As a large blob it's very dangerous and as said before, we have no data for prediction, just theory. Weapons in the megaton range use different physics, they are thermonuclear, as in they use a atomic bomb to start a fire to burn a fuel. This is worse, not from blast... But poison of all life on earth. This is slow, silent doom you have all been waiting for. Start making your own plans to evacuate the northern hemisphere, I'm not kidding folks. And even that will only buy you a little more time. "I know that the molecules in my body are traceable to phenomena in the cosmos. That makes me want to grab people on the street and say: 'Have you HEARD THIS?" -Neil deGrasse Tyson :fly_sail: If you hate my avatar.. you are going to love this.. [link to youtu.be] In Death members of Project Mayhem Have a name. His name is James M. Boyd. |
Citizenperth (OP) User ID: 36740537 Australia 04/01/2013 03:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.surf-forecast.com] Quoting: Estella<3 The temp is actually within the "average" since 1984.... Why is everyone freaking? no it's! not!.. show me your stats, i've shown mine..... Click the link I provided... it gives the stats since 1984 ok, but will you care to comment on todays stats? It's life as we know it, but only just. [link to citizenperth.wordpress.com] sic ut vos es vos should exsisto , denego alius vicis facio vos change , exsisto youself , proprie |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 22373790 United States 04/01/2013 03:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Great post, EV. Quoting: gurunade Could the Corium cause an explosion bigger than any seen by mankind? It could totally destroy eastern Asia, and also western US? Could this be the catalyst to Cayces' future map of the world? Yeah, I think big. :esplode: it's never happened before, so we don't know...... Exactly, a real China syndrome has never happened before.. No real world data.. We are getting it all now. The forecast for the corium blast that was prevented at Chernobyl was 3-5 megatons.. This has more cores, and more fuel involved. But I think that the worst that could occur would be an ELE from fission products in the environment, not a super sized supercritical blast.. The super blast would almost be preferred in my book as it would distribute the corium far apart as to not allow for continued melting and reaction and movement.. (But epic pollution) As a large blob it's very dangerous and as said before, we have no data for prediction, just theory. Weapons in the megaton range use different physics, they are thermonuclear, as in they use a atomic bomb to start a fire to burn a fuel. This is worse, not from blast... But poison of all life on earth. This is slow, silent doom you have all been waiting for. Start making your own plans to evacuate the northern hemisphere, I'm not kidding folks. And even that will only buy you a little more time. Gotcha. |
Estella<3 User ID: 6571780 United States 04/01/2013 03:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.surf-forecast.com] Quoting: Estella<3 The temp is actually within the "average" since 1984.... Why is everyone freaking? no it's! not!.. show me your stats, i've shown mine..... Click the link I provided... it gives the stats since 1984 ok, but will you care to comment on todays stats? Todays stats are within the average range... Not sure why you are panicking? |
Marxist User ID: 37231142 New Zealand 04/01/2013 03:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Personally I dunno whats to deny. Water temps aside, have those cores been brought under control (the coriumed ones) or are they likely to be before they do some real damage, Estella? Workers of the World, Unite. You have nothing to lose but your chains! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36646652 Canada 04/01/2013 03:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.surf-forecast.com] Quoting: Estella<3 The temp is actually within the "average" since 1984.... Why is everyone freaking? no it's! not!.. show me your stats, i've shown mine..... Click the link I provided... it gives the stats since 1984 your own link says current surface temp is 18.6c and the normal range is 15.7 to 18.4. so technically above normal! " Today's Ohara sea temperature is 18.6 °C. Statistics for 01 Apr (1981–2005) – mean: 17.2 °C, range: 15.7 °C to 18.4 °C " |