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I used to work as a tax barrister and if theres one thing I have learnt, its get to the story quick. I am still none the wiser as to just where those blobs are in relation to the ground water. I looked at the cams and all I saw were cranes.

Perhap someone could chip in at some stage and explain whether they have seen said blobs and what depth they are at. I'll favourite this thread and check from time to time.

As it is there is bugger all on google.
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not selling anything.. i did have a t-shirt i liked but took it off.. here is a chronology..
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This should help clarify things for you.

[link to www.world-nuclear.org]


I used to work as a tax barrister and if theres one thing I have learnt, its get to the story quick. I am still none the wiser as to just where those blobs are in relation to the ground water. I looked at the cams and all I saw were cranes.

Perhap someone could chip in at some stage and explain whether they have seen said blobs and what depth they are at. I'll favourite this thread and check from time to time.

As it is there is bugger all on google.
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And the greater portion of Japan shall sink into the ocean - Edgar J Cayce

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And the greater portion of Japan shall sink into the ocean - Edgar J Cayce

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I didn't know what corium was.. This may help those like me.

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Note that it contains plutonium. This is E.L.E. for sure.
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Is this a quick death or a slow and painful death senario?
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Slow and painful....zombie time.
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This is an interesting and informative article
[link to www.globalresearch.ca]
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Personally I dunno whats to deny. Water temps aside, have those cores been brought under control (the coriumed ones) or are they likely to be before they do some real damage, Estella?
 Quoting: Marxist



Pay close attention to the graph at the bottom of the page.
This isn't some extraordinary event that hasn't happened pre-Fuk.
Also look at my source. I would say their information is unbiased as opposed the OP's.

Yes, the cores could do real damage and it's a dangerous situation. Which is why we should be very carefully about crying wolf.


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<snip>
Cs-134 is also produced and dispersed, it has a 2-year half-life. Caesium is soluble and can be taken into the body, but does not concentrate in any particular organs, and has a biological half-life of about 70 days. In assessing the significance of atmospheric releases, the Cs-137 figure is multiplied by 40 and added to the I-131 number to give an "iodine-131 equivalent" figure.
<lie>

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A significant problem in tracking radioactive release was that 23 out of the 24 radiation monitoring stations on the plant site were disabled by the tsunami.
<end snip>

ok, but what now, your monitoring is down and/or lying....
(see my links previous)

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After the hydrogen explosion in unit 1 on 12 March, some radioactive caesium and iodine were detected in the vicinity of the plant, having been released via the venting. Further I-131 and Cs-137 and Cs-134 were apparently released during the following few days, particularly following the hydrogen explosion at unit 3 on 14th and in unit 4 on 15th. Considerable amounts of xenon-133 and iodine-131 were vented, but most of the caesium-137 (14 out of 15 PBq total) along with most of the Cs-134 apparently came from unit 2 on or after the 15th. Also ten times more iodine is attributed to unit 2 than unit 1, while unit 3 produced half as much as unit 1. However, there remains some uncertainty about the exact sources and timings of the radioactive releases
<end snip>

unkown releases?!!??!!?!? in this day and age??? loosers....

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* The Cs-137 figure is multiplied by 40 in arriving at an "iodine-131 equivalent" figure, due to its much longer half-life. Cs-134 is multiplied by 4.
<end snip>

break out your scientic calculator for that one

<snip>Radiation exposure in plant and beyond

To 31 December 2011, Tepco had checked the radiation exposure of 19,594 people who had worked on the site since 11 March, for many of these considering both external dose and internal doses (measured with whole-body counters). It reported that 167 workers had received doses over 100 mSv. Of these 135 had received 100 to 150 mSv, 23 150-200 mSv, three more 200-250 mSv, and six had received over 250 mSv (309 to 678 mSv) apparently due to inhaling iodine-131 fume early on. The latter included the two unit 3-4 control room operators in the first two days who had not been wearing breathing apparatus. There were up to 200 workers on site each day. Recovery workers are wearing personal monitors, with breathing apparatus and protective clothing which protect against alpha and beta radiation. So far over 3500 of some 3700 workers at the damaged Daiichi plant have received internal check-ups for radiation exposure, giving whole body count estimates. The level of 250 mSv was the allowable maximum short-term dose for Fukushima accident clean-up workers through to December 2011, 500 mSv is the international allowable short-term dose "for emergency workers taking life-saving actions". Since January 2012 the allowable maximum has reverted to 50 mSv/yr.
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liars......

<snip>Remediation

Tepco published a 6- to 9-month plan on 17 April 2011 for dealing with the disabled Fukushima reactors, and updated this several times subsequently. Remediation is proceeding approximately as planned.

At the end of August 2011 Tepco announced its general plan for proceeding with removing fuel from the four units, initially from the spent fuel ponds and then from the actual reactors.

Storage ponds: First, debris will be removed from the upper parts of the reactor buildings using large cranes and heavy machinery. Covers will be built, and overhead cranes and fuel handling machines necessary to remove the spent fuel assemblies will be reinstalled. Casks to transfer the removed fuel to the central spent fuel facility will also be designed and manufactured using existing cask technology.

In July 2012 two unused fuel assemblies were removed from unit 4 pond, and were found to be in good shape, with no deformation or corrosion. Tepco plans to start removal of all fuel from the pond in December 2013.

Reactors: First it will be necessary to identify the locations of leaks from the primary containment vessels (PCVs) and reactor buildings using manual and remotely controlled dosimeters, cameras, etc., and indirectly analyse conditions inside the PCVs from the outside via measurements of gamma rays, echo soundings, etc. Any leakage points will be repaired and both reactor vessels (RPVs) and PCVs filled with water sufficient to achieve shielding. Then the vessel heads will be removed. The location of melted fuel and corium will then be established. In particular, the distribution of damaged fuel believed to have flowed out from the reactor pressure vessels (RPVs) into PCVs will be ascertained, and it will be sampled and analysed. After examination of the inside of the reactors, states of the damaged fuel rods and reactor core internals, sampling will be done and the damaged core material will be removed from the RPVs as well as from the PCVs. The whole process will be complex and slow, since safety remains paramount. In December Tepco estimated that the fuel would be removed from the reactors within 25 years - in line with US experience at Three Mile Island, though other estimates suggest ten years.

The four reactors will be completely demolished in 30-40 years - much the same time frame as for any nuclear plant.

Earlier, consortia led by both Hitachi-GE and Toshiba submitted proposals to Tepco for decommissioning units 1-4. This would generally involve removing the fuel and then sealing them for a further decade or two while the activation products in the steel of the reactor pressure vessels decay. They can then be demolished. As noted above, removal of the very degraded fuel will be a long process in units 1-3, but will draw on experience at Three Mile Island in USA. In January it was reported that an industry consortium (Hitachi GE Nuclear Energy, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries and Toshiba) would determine how to locate fuel debris inside units 1-3 and how to fill the pressure vessels with water.

Tepco has allocated ¥207 billion ($2.53 billion) in its accounts for decommissioning units 1 to 4. The government has allocated ¥1150 billion ($15 billion) for decontamination in the region, with the promise of more if needed.

A 12-member international expert team assembled by the IAEA at the request of the Japanese government reported in October on remediation strategies for contaminated land. The mission focused on the remediation of the affected areas outside of the 20 km restricted area. The team said that it agreed with the prioritization and the general strategy being implemented, but advised the government to focus on actual dose reduction. They should "avoid over-conservatism" which "could not effectively contribute to the reduction of exposure doses" to people. It warned the government against being preoccupied with "contamination concentrations rather than dose levels," since this "does not automatically lead to reduction of doses for the public." The team's report calls on the Japanese authorities to "maintain their focus on remediation activities that bring best results in reducing the doses to the public."

Return of evacuees

Preparing for this remains a high priority and the evacuation zone will be decontaminated where required and possible, so that evacuees (reportedly some 160,000) can return without undue delay. There are many cases of evacuation stress including transfer trauma among evacuees, and once the situation stabilised at the plant it appeared that these outweighed the radiological hazards of returning.

In December the government said that where annual radiation dose would be below 20 mSv/yr, the government would help residents return home as soon as possible and assist local municipalities with decontamination and repair of infrastructure. In areas where radiation levels are over 20 mSv/yr evacuees will be asked to continue living elsewhere for “a few years” until the government completes decontamination and recovery work. The government will consider purchasing land and houses from residents of these areas if the evacuees wish to sell them.

From April 2012 part of the 20-km radius area and the portion of Minami Soma city extending north from it, were re-categorised by the Environment Ministry: below 20 mSv/yr, evacuation called off; 20-50 mSv/yr "restrict residency", with entry for specific purposes and no protective equipment required and remediation action to be completed in March 2014; and over 50 mSv/yr "difficulty of return", with restricted entry and remediation deferred. These restricted areas, comprising about half of the 20-km radius evacuation zone, are not expected to drop below 20 mSv/yr before about March 2016. Such areas add to those devastated by the tsunami, where rebuilding is very uncertain.

In July 2012 this zoning was extended by METI to Iitate Village, an area 28-45 km northwest of the Daiichi plant and contiguous with the northern part of Minami Soma city. Most of Iitate’s residents can now return without protective gear or monitoring equipment but not stay overnight, since annual exposure on a continuous basis would be no more than 20 mSv in some parts and 20-50 mSv in others. However, one area of Iitate (about 10 sq km), and a part of Minami Soma joining it and extending into the 20-km radius, remain fully evacuated. In August the Naraha town area south of the plant was added to the minimally-restricted category, below 20 mSv if continually occupied. In December parts of Okuma-machi southwest of the plant and close to it were de-restricted on the same basis. Thus more than half of the original evacuated area (20 km radius plus Iitate and Minami Soma) is now accessible without protective gear or monitoring. The area of Namie town and also Katsurao village outside the 20 km radius remain uncategorised.
<end snip>

that's what you SHOULD be dealing with......

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This should help clarify things for you.

[link to www.world-nuclear.org]


I used to work as a tax barrister and if theres one thing I have learnt, its get to the story quick. I am still none the wiser as to just where those blobs are in relation to the ground water. I looked at the cams and all I saw were cranes.

Perhap someone could chip in at some stage and explain whether they have seen said blobs and what depth they are at. I'll favourite this thread and check from time to time.

As it is there is bugger all on google.
 Quoting: Marxist

 Quoting: Estella<3


Thats a basic checklist Estella, but thanks. Still does not answer my question. Just where are these blobs in relation to risk points. The imperession I get is no one knows and that mate, is bad. Especially bad is that there is no public discussion about this state of affairs.

Just becauise the Japanese build a nice Lexus does not mean that we should, as a world, not monitor them. If they don't know where the corium is in relation to risk points two years on, we need to know why.
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There was a similar temperature jump a week before the last major earthquake. Sergei Pulinets "Multi-Parameter Approach to Earthquake Forecasting" explains very well a link between heat released from fault lines before a quake. Very simply energy is released through cracks in the form of radon gas, co2 and hydrogen migration and gives a temperature signal which can be seen on the satellite imagery. Usually this occurs a week or so before the earthquake itself. Here is the link as it is a complex issue best explained by a scientist ;) [link to larouchepac.com] and here is a pdf of the interview with added graphics and information to read at your own speed... [link to cecaust.com.au]
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There was a similar temperature jump a week before the last major earthquake. Sergei Pulinets "Multi-Parameter Approach to Earthquake Forecasting" explains very well a link between heat released from fault lines before a quake. Very simply energy is released through cracks in the form of radon gas, co2 and hydrogen migration and gives a temperature signal which can be seen on the satellite imagery. Usually this occurs a week or so before the earthquake itself. Here is the link as it is a complex issue best explained by a scientist ;) [link to larouchepac.com] and here is a pdf of the interview with added graphics and information to read at your own speed... [link to cecaust.com.au]
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thanks for that :)
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There was a similar temperature jump a week before the last major earthquake. Sergei Pulinets "Multi-Parameter Approach to Earthquake Forecasting" explains very well a link between heat released from fault lines before a quake. Very simply energy is released through cracks in the form of radon gas, co2 and hydrogen migration and gives a temperature signal which can be seen on the satellite imagery. Usually this occurs a week or so before the earthquake itself. Here is the link as it is a complex issue best explained by a scientist ;) [link to larouchepac.com] and here is a pdf of the interview with added graphics and information to read at your own speed... [link to cecaust.com.au]
 Quoting: iceboundalien 1287648


thanks for that :)
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not with an earthquake tho'...... close to several damaged reactors... just in the USRC have deemed upper and lower fuku sites as in melt downs...i'll find and get you the link.. or what i was sent (they did not release this to the journalists)

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no way in hell a single nuclear core can raise the temperatures of the ocean so significantly ... right? I mean, that heat alone is enough to melt all ice on earth in only a few hundred years...
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no way in hell a single nuclear core can raise the temperatures of the ocean so significantly ... right? I mean, that heat alone is enough to melt all ice on earth in only a few hundred years...
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i thought and researched and asked.. given a few years of not getting near it?.. and god bless the children of fukushima.. we look pretty cooked.....
outside the box tho, we're not being told what 'went up' in fuku'....

the trail of 'corium' coud go where it pretty much wants dependent upon geography.....

given the result that were urgent to me today, i think we enter a new stage..... the unknown.....

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no way in hell a single nuclear core can raise the temperatures of the ocean so significantly ... right? I mean, that heat alone is enough to melt all ice on earth in only a few hundred years...
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So what is it. One core, or three?
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no way in hell a single nuclear core can raise the temperatures of the ocean so significantly ... right? I mean, that heat alone is enough to melt all ice on earth in only a few hundred years...
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So what is it. One core, or three?
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3 admitted to.... not cooling pools, or stockpiled plutonium on exchange to the french for the conversion to the US
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no way in hell a single nuclear core can raise the temperatures of the ocean so significantly ... right? I mean, that heat alone is enough to melt all ice on earth in only a few hundred years...
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So what is it. One core, or three?
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3 admitted to.... not cooling pools, or stockpiled plutonium on exchange to the french for the conversion to the US
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Cheers. Its hard getting the facts as confusion seems to reign. Even those cam links took me to cranes and not the corium. And that document link was a checklist of do's.

I can see the discrepancies and I'm no expert on the issues.
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It's simple. Years of pouring radioactive water in the ocean. Radioactive particles accumulete making it more dangerous and hotter when they stack up.

And i'm not even talking about the nuclear powerplant itself or the waste dumps.

Shit is bad. And this is our endgame.
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no way in hell a single nuclear core can raise the temperatures of the ocean so significantly ... right? I mean, that heat alone is enough to melt all ice on earth in only a few hundred years...
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So what is it. One core, or three?
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3 admitted to.... not cooling pools, or stockpiled plutonium on exchange to the french for the conversion to the US
 Quoting: Citizenperth


Cheers. Its hard getting the facts as confusion seems to reign. Even those cam links took me to cranes and not the corium. And that document link was a checklist of do's.

I can see the discrepancies and I'm no expert on the issues.
 Quoting: Marxist


try my site, it's not much, more a chronology, but if you look on the left, everything is timelined... again not selling the site.. more like i have a chronology as i could have time to keep :)

but, after meeting some prominents in the last... i have some conacts that sen some interesting shit.....

anyone that says Fukushima is safe...... is a LIAR... and i would bitch-slap AB for his lies and disinformation.. and his friends.. they equate to child murderers in my mind.....

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Flooding...on a massive scale.
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having a problem with the colours on the temp scale, -2.5 is the same colour on the temp scale as 9.5 so how can you tell which its meant to be?
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This is a pretty worrying thread, I saw a video which pertained to the sinkhole in bayou corne, LA, however the second half of that video showed a graph of the flow of radiated water away from the Fuk area and swirling around the pacific. it was clear the pacific is becoming increasingly polluted with radioactive waste.
what is very very worrying, is that little or no progress is being made and solutions are no evident
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You can't put out a nuclear blob with water. The water will make it hotter, more radioactive and spend it's fuel faster.

Also creates neutron bursts, adding large amounts of water.

Lead absorbed the free neutrons reducing further fission events.
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You can't put out a nuclear blob with water. The water will make it hotter, more radioactive and spend it's fuel faster.

Also creates neutron bursts, adding large amounts of water.

Lead absorbed the free neutrons reducing further fission events.
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did you see the neutron blasts over the last two years?..... wow.......
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found a video that gives a good graphic illustration...its also a little old!!!

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sorry some of the data is a little old
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sorry some of the data is a little old
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some of the data was 24 hours old...
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sorry some of the data is a little old
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some of the data was 24 hours old...
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yes but he referred to some date on the chart as being ten months old, it can only have become worse since
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How much has temp gone up . As too hard to read link . If its 5 degrees or more ,serious damage for all plants and critters in the effected zone . No more fish in that part of the world. Why do you think all the dolphins bugged out a month or so ago.
 Quoting: Foresight 37225838


it shows a shift from blue to green to the reds of 8 degrees....
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8 degrees C ? If so all life will die in that ocean , everything in that large pink area [ which is probably glowing ] .
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There, fixed it for you... hiding

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sorry some of the data is a little old
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some of the data was 24 hours old...
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yes but he referred to some date on the chart as being ten months old, it can only have become worse since
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fair enough, but i refer to the chronology.......
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